Best Bathurst ever a proper race instead of a 10 to 12 lap sprint to the finish. We were talking about Seton’s wild drive for weeks. A race that had everything.
@@Kustom2170At the time it sure was. I remember the amount of interest the next few days at work was huge. It had everything. Some of the races in the 90’s & early 2000’s were pretty good too.
It WAS absolutely the best Bathurst ever. Yes, it was a "proper race", not contrived show business. The build-up was unbelievable, I was literally shaking with anticipation of seeing our local heroes go head to head with world's best on the best race track in the world. And it had every drama and heroism throughout the race.
Klaus Ludwigs lap was up there with one of the all time great single laps of mount panorama, near perfect and second place was 1.5 seconds slower. To bad he will never be remembered for it.
Love to see Dick Johnson in the early years, im a Holden man myself, but I appreciate good driving regardless of the car! I was lucky enough to shake Dick Johnson's hand this year at DJR at the V8 supercars at Barbagallo raceway in Perth.
By 92 the Ford Sierra's were 600hp++ ( from what essentially a 2ltr Cortina block + a 16V head + a turbo ) I have always supported Ford but Respect for Larry Perkins over the years he is a damn good engineer/driver!! The Texaco Sierra's crossed the line first to win BUT it was not allowed due to illegal wheel arches and rocketship fuel they were using to keep their engines alive, Peter Brock was the winner ( by default ) in 1985 Larry Perkins was co driver with Dick Johnson Ford Mustang 5ltr V8 but it did not have grunt too match the other cars!! Yes LP in a Ford!
I spoke to Rudi Eggenberger during practice and asked him about the guards and he said he won’t change them as they have run them all year and besides that , Rudi said the Mobil cars were the only Commodores ( VL or VK ) with 12” tyres and their guards were modified “like mine” . Ford Europe ordered Rudi to change them , he refused. Last round in japan , Mt Fuji - scrutineers told the Texaco team to change guards , which they did . Still got pole position and won the race . Didn’t effect the cars or their speed.
While it may be this period that came just before it became holden v ford v8's, I personally like seeing many different types of cars competing. No one would argue that the late 60's and early 70's was bad for the sport(holden straight 6's v ford v8's) or even when the mini cooper s took 9 of the first 10 places. People need to open their minds and remember what this event was in it's early days.
Late 60's and early 70's - bad for the sport and no one will argue with you ? You've got to be kidding ? I was at Wanneroo Park in 1973 when Moffat and Brock went at it for 72 laps. A 6 v an 8. Moffat won by the length of his bonnet. The best race I have ever seen. I fell in love with Motor Racing that day and have since done it myself and travelled the world watching others doing it. I passed that love to my son who wants nothing more than to be a racing driver as soon as he can be. Mate, I will argue with you till the cows come home.
Mick Rise I think you might have mis understood me. I am saying that these periods of great variety in cars is good for the breed. I agree with you. I am saying that no one would argue that these periods were bad for the sport. Sadly I didn't get born till 76 so missed a lot of the period to which you refer.
If you compare the times then to a current Supercar of today you would think that these cars are slow. But boy, weren't they a real handful to drive at the limit. That's why it's impossible to say that today's best drivers were any better than the best of a previous generation.
Plus the amount of aerodynamics, structural rigidity, precision tooling, fitness regimens, the list goes on... the cars were a lot more of a handful back then, which is part of why there can be such a huge gap in the times. Nowadays it’s basically 1 second across the whole field.
@@falconpowerful2362 Yeah agreed. The cars of today are so much better and really they are purpose built race cars with the silhouette of a road going car. I raced at club level back in the day and did quite well so I'm not unaware of what it takes to be successful. But no matter what era we look at, the cream of the crop always rise to the top and had the drivers of yesteryear been born in this era, I'm certain that they would be doing whatever was required to match it with the best.
He could hardly be mad, the Eggenberger Sierras were disqualified after the race on some kinda technical infringement, can't remember off the top of my head what it was but yes, it WAS the year of the Euro-cheat.
I say what an absolutely spiffing idea, one lap on your tod to see who gets pole, when they interviewed that Aussie bloke and he blamed a misfire for his lack of pace, nearly fell off my fucking seat laughing, oldest excuse in the book, ha ha.
$20000 for pole 29 years ago, wooww that's a lot of coin taking into consideration inflation and how much do they get now, $5000?. Weird that they didn't show the clock with the lap time when the driver's were doing their shootout lap. You had no idea where they were at until they crossed the line.
Hardies Heroes and later the Tooheys Top 10 offered very good money back in the day. The 1988 "for the cash" version had a total prize pool of $40,000. A running clock really wasn't seen in Top 10 broadcasts until the mid-90's and it wasn't until about 1992 or 1993 that they even started showing a clock at the end of the lap (after they came out of Caltex Chase). And it wasn't until 1988 that Ch.7 actually started showing the full laps for all cars and that was only because the ARDC and Tooheys bought an extra half hour of television time.
Daan Vaan , the RS500 was only a few months old being homologated on August 1 ,1987. So they had not had much development and when they were developed, in 1990 in Australia Cams gave them an extra 100kg and took 50kg off the Holdens The GTR should never have been allowed 4wd. To give the other cars a chance.
@Don dunstan they are morning shadows . The afternoon shadows come from behind the mountain and across the track . On top of the mountain in the afternoon the track is mostly covered from shadows. You must not have listen to cecotto complaints about the morning shootout .
They were illegal everywhere. Just that the rules were actually enforced here. Just like the BMW teams being disqualified when it was noticed that their panels flexed when being washed with a hose. The teams in Europe used to line up outside the stewards room. If one complained then the others went at it. They all had valid breaches to complain about, so often, none complained. Well documented. Then Dickie went to Europe, ran to their rules, and showed a clean set of heels. Just saying.
The Ford Sierra's should never have been let in the race - you couldn't buy one in Australia when this race was on - it was strictly a foreign import which was pretty unfair really and why people got so pissed off with them for spoiling the race.
Best Bathurst ever a proper race instead of a 10 to 12 lap sprint to the finish. We were talking about Seton’s wild drive for weeks. A race that had everything.
By far not the best Bathurst race 😅
@@Kustom2170At the time it sure was. I remember the amount of interest the next few days at work was huge. It had everything. Some of the races in the 90’s & early 2000’s were pretty good too.
It WAS absolutely the best Bathurst ever. Yes, it was a "proper race", not contrived show business. The build-up was unbelievable, I was literally shaking with anticipation of seeing our local heroes go head to head with world's best on the best race track in the world. And it had every drama and heroism throughout the race.
Klaus Ludwigs lap was up there with one of the all time great single laps of mount panorama, near perfect and second place was 1.5 seconds slower. To bad he will never be remembered for it.
2:16.969 ????? suspicion rises from other drivers on that day
Around 1.5 sec between 1st & 2nd,
These days, 1.5 seconds off the pole sitter means you're near the back of the grid.
Larry Perkins was one hell of a driver!
My word he was , Especially in the wet
LP was headed towards F1 in the 70s, had he the funding...
@@Hapkido82AUS He raced for 3 teams and started 11 GPs until the money ran out . He also won the 1975 European F3 title
Love to see Dick Johnson in the early years, im a Holden man myself, but I appreciate good driving regardless of the car! I was lucky enough to shake Dick Johnson's hand this year at DJR at the V8 supercars at Barbagallo raceway in Perth.
By 92 the Ford Sierra's were 600hp++ ( from what essentially a 2ltr Cortina block + a 16V head + a turbo ) I have always supported Ford but Respect for Larry Perkins over the years he is a damn good engineer/driver!! The Texaco Sierra's crossed the line first to win BUT it was not allowed due to illegal wheel arches and rocketship fuel they were using to keep their engines alive, Peter Brock was the winner ( by default ) in 1985 Larry Perkins was co driver with Dick Johnson Ford Mustang 5ltr V8 but it did not have grunt too match the other cars!! Yes LP in a Ford!
Fantastic coverage, thanks for posting.
Oohh thank you for this! missed it back in 87.
I spoke to Rudi Eggenberger during practice and asked him about the guards and he said he won’t change them as they have run them all year and besides that , Rudi said the Mobil cars were the only Commodores ( VL or VK ) with 12” tyres and their guards were modified “like mine” . Ford Europe ordered Rudi to change them , he refused. Last round in japan , Mt Fuji - scrutineers told the Texaco team to change guards , which they did . Still got pole position and won the race . Didn’t effect the cars or their speed.
Sierra LOVE!
While it may be this period that came just before it became holden v ford v8's, I personally like seeing many different types of cars competing. No one would argue that the late 60's and early 70's was bad for the sport(holden straight 6's v ford v8's) or even when the mini cooper s took 9 of the first 10 places. People need to open their minds and remember what this event was in it's early days.
Late 60's and early 70's - bad for the sport and no one will argue with you ?
You've got to be kidding ? I was at Wanneroo Park in 1973 when Moffat and Brock went at it for 72 laps. A 6 v an 8. Moffat won by the length of his bonnet. The best race I have ever seen.
I fell in love with Motor Racing that day and have since done it myself and travelled the world watching others doing it. I passed that love to my son who wants nothing more than to be a racing driver as soon as he can be.
Mate, I will argue with you till the cows come home.
Mick Rise I think you might have mis understood me. I am saying that these periods of great variety in cars is good for the breed. I agree with you. I am saying that no one would argue that these periods were bad for the sport. Sadly I didn't get born till 76 so missed a lot of the period to which you refer.
tayhutt Sorry mate, my bad, I did misunderstand.
If you compare the times then to a current Supercar of today you would think that these cars are slow. But boy, weren't they a real handful to drive at the limit. That's why it's impossible to say that today's best drivers were any better than the best of a previous generation.
have a bit more of a stroke mate
Plus the amount of aerodynamics, structural rigidity, precision tooling, fitness regimens, the list goes on... the cars were a lot more of a handful back then, which is part of why there can be such a huge gap in the times. Nowadays it’s basically 1 second across the whole field.
@@falconpowerful2362 Yeah agreed. The cars of today are so much better and really they are purpose built race cars with the silhouette of a road going car. I raced at club level back in the day and did quite well so I'm not unaware of what it takes to be successful. But no matter what era we look at, the cream of the crop always rise to the top and had the drivers of yesteryear been born in this era, I'm certain that they would be doing whatever was required to match it with the best.
@@TheJuggtron Would you care to elaborate on what your reply is supposed to infer?
@@grahamserle7930 that you have your boomer glasses on
Allan Grice's car looked frightening to drive. Down Conrod straight I was holding my breath.
Ohh yeah, been waiting for this one. Top stuff mate.
The horsepower variation & quite low power outputs plus modifications comparatively to nowadays makes it interesting to watch.
Peter brock got the last laugh in the end
By crashing and killing himself?
felix the cat not It was because the two sierras had illegal body panels
Also took him 2 cars.05 went out very early.
Andy Rouse said he was hitting 304kph down Conrod straight in the Sierra.
grices car amazing repair build by TAFE boys does anybody from supercars/nascar remember that
man those sierras were fast top seven spots go ford number 1
Perkins VK sounds incredible
The year of the Euro-cheats.
U mad bro?
Let me guess you were one of the salty bitches booing the Nissans in 1992?
He could hardly be mad, the Eggenberger Sierras were disqualified after the race on some kinda technical infringement, can't remember off the top of my head what it was but yes, it WAS the year of the Euro-cheat.
@@ilikestuffandstuff4127 pretty sure it was because they used illegal petrol. Have a feeling both of these subjects could be different
Butt hurt cause the little sierra wiped the floor with your precious v8s 😂
Which was proven during the next few years in atcc
Sierra's ruled...
Best sounding car award goes to........ Alan Grice!
Gricey power sliding down Conrad 👍
Larry's car looks like he has a broom in the backseat😂
no one will argue with you there polly018
I say what an absolutely spiffing idea, one lap on your tod to see who gets pole, when they interviewed that Aussie bloke and he blamed a misfire for his lack of pace, nearly fell off my fucking seat laughing, oldest excuse in the book, ha ha.
Wow, Grice's lap was wild..😊
The track was very dusty, nowadays its swept regularly across the weekend.
+Colin Lenihan today's drivers don't know how good they have it
How did the Sierra's wreck Bathurst? What, because Ford came up with a Group A car that (until the Nissan GT-R) left the rest of Group A in its wake?
$20000 for pole 29 years ago, wooww that's a lot of coin taking into consideration inflation and how much do they get now, $5000?. Weird that they didn't show the clock with the lap time when the driver's were doing their shootout lap. You had no idea where they were at until they crossed the line.
They don't even get $5000: they get $1000 for pole I think.
Ben Ward Yes it is $1000 for the Armour All Pole Award for the normal races, but $5000 for the Top 10 Shootout winner at the Mountain.
Hardies Heroes and later the Tooheys Top 10 offered very good money back in the day. The 1988 "for the cash" version had a total prize pool of $40,000.
A running clock really wasn't seen in Top 10 broadcasts until the mid-90's and it wasn't until about 1992 or 1993 that they even started showing a clock at the end of the lap (after they came out of Caltex Chase). And it wasn't until 1988 that Ch.7 actually started showing the full laps for all cars and that was only because the ARDC and Tooheys bought an extra half hour of television time.
Daan Vaan , the RS500 was only a few months old being homologated on August 1 ,1987. So they had not had much development and when they were developed, in 1990 in Australia Cams gave them an extra 100kg and took 50kg off the Holdens The GTR should never have been allowed 4wd. To give the other cars a chance.
@Don dunstan they are morning shadows . The afternoon shadows come from behind the mountain and across the track . On top of the mountain in the afternoon the track is mostly covered from shadows. You must not have listen to cecotto complaints about the morning shootout .
As Johnny cecotto says at 6m 25 seconds, morning shoot out.
Val commodore and the Ford Mustang foxbody looks sorta similar
Get your rev head on.
Too bad those Texaco boys cheated and Brock won the race from outside the top ten :)
@Daan Vaan
The FIA set the rules
They were illegal everywhere. Just that the rules were actually enforced here. Just like the BMW teams being disqualified when it was noticed that their panels flexed when being washed with a hose. The teams in Europe used to line up outside the stewards room. If one complained then the others went at it. They all had valid breaches to complain about, so often, none complained. Well documented. Then Dickie went to Europe, ran to their rules, and showed a clean set of heels. Just saying.
The Ford Sierra's should never have been let in the race - you couldn't buy one in Australia when this race was on - it was strictly a foreign import which was pretty unfair really and why people got so pissed off with them for spoiling the race.
Winge winge
Umm.. It was a round of the "World Touring Car Championship" that year..
No Brock in top ten but did win the race
all the sierras 1-7? jesus christ.
Put these new drivers in the old vk or vl commy they wouldn't know what hit them
G0NAGN They would still be way quicker than most of us ; )
sierras wrecked bathurst
I hated this era, seeing DJ lower himself to this level, no dignity whatsoever driving one of those euro-trash Fords, what a comedown 👎
Each to their own. The RS500’s were absolute weapons. There’s a reason why they used them.
john fisher Wanker
ｅ
Winge winge
Those fords are awfull.