Americans React To BTS HARDSHIPS 2013-2021 | Racism, mistreatment, accusations + more
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- In today's episode of couples React, we react to BTS HARDSHIPS 2013-2021 | Racism, mistreatment, accusations + more | Struggles throughout the years by @xCeleste for the first time!
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I would really recommed that you react to some borazity magazine videos, she does a lot of informative video essays about bts. If you would ever want to react to that type of content I really recommend her videos like "bts vs boybands coming back", "bts and k-pop without the k" and "why (most) armys don't like kpop". I think you would find her content really enjoyable since she is very well spoken with interesting content!
Yesssssss
Yess pleaseee
YES!!! the real fact check
Yesss ...Up
Absolutely!!!
that comparison to mean girls bullying kids who try to dress like them was so good, i never really thought about it that way before
Same
(sorry for my english) I'm a veteran fan and i watched the show where jk was mistreated and it was really bad, not just the part of the hamburgers. The whole mood of the MC was rude. There was a part in the show where there was an online voting and all ARMY of course voted JK and others were almost pissed off to the point Jungkookwas visibly unconfortble and did a sign into the camera to ask Army to stop voting for him. to go this far probably he received a bad treatment even when the cameras were turned off. It was so bad and it was the first show JK partecipated alone and from that show bts never went alone in any show until recently and they did few shows because they were always treated like that. That's why now that they did solo promos they say that they're nervous when appearing alone, they had really bad experience in korean shows, of course now they're famouse and everyone treat them well, but it's so sad that it was the fame that make people respect them, and not the fact that they were young and kind souls from the beginning
I agree I am also a veteran army and watched it live along with voted... and we could all agree although you might not speak the same language you can tell how uncomfortable they made him feel which was felt through the screen and jungkook's body behavior and just the overall not accepting his burger and making him seem like a outcast was so hurtful to watch as a fan/army back then majority of us were armys who tuned in to support him on his solo activity (giving him so much love that it was sad to see be a burden cause this gave more motive for the cast to dislike JK popularity which is insane cause if that were to happen now it literally doesn't make sense and would never slide ) and just to witness such disrespect not just to him but we as armys felt it personal. Man JK and the rest of the members might have forgiven and even jimin and yoongi ate with that host/entertainer but I would never forget nor forgive to be honest since I witnessed it and just know that they treat them better cause of their global popularity that they can't ignore anymore. Perhaps he apologized to them personally, but that why BTS are just great humans and they have a heart of gold.
Agreed even though I watched half of it cause I couldn't watch uncomfortable he was smh
All these accusations of concept copying aka plagiarism for kpooppers are pathetic..
Oh WOW! Just the part shown here has always made me mad and sad (and I’m only a fan for less than 2 years). It’s really upsetting to hear that it was much worse and went on throughout the show. I thought Korea was all about respect and from all I have seen since becoming a fan, hearing about the teen suic*de rate, and watching the MHJ thing I feel much different.
51:03 The SK defence minister actually wanted them to serve AND keep doing their group activities. They know how much influence BTS has on the economy and they were more than ready to exploit the boys and work them to the bone, while framing it as this ''amazing, generous opportunity''🥴
If I remember correctly they framed it as basically a less austere form of service where they could have had "longer breaks and special permits" for national promotional events and like big foreign events for musicians. But I think it was also implied that BTS couldn't see a dime from all the proceeds that would be ultimately gained by the gov, since it's forbidden to actively do other work during military service (they would have been volunteers basically), and I think their work would had have to pass through institutional scrutiny (basically censorship).
As if:
1.the members would be naive enough to not see the clear exploitation for financial and clout reasons, especially in the face of the upcoming Expo gold rush to earn votes, which Busan was a candidate for.
2.BTS would ever fall for such weird rage-inducing tactics that would piss off SK citizens due to the leniency of their mandate, even though they would still complete their duty, basically picking the double-edged-sword 😂
3.they would ever be satisfied to perform without proper preparation and having the time to work on their music and craft, since BTS are nothing shorter than professionals.
and not only fans, members have alluded to some seniors not being very nice to them when they were still rookies, and that's why it’s even more heartwarming to see how much juniors now love bts and how good bts members are at being seniors, like yoongi wrote a whole song for juniors, snooze
15:12 This is such a good metaphor for it, and what's funny is that when BTS enlisted last year, there were a lot of "relieved" statements from other fandoms saying "Finally! Other groups can shine now that BTS is gone" -- AND YET! Jin is back in a few days and NO GROUP or ARTIST has managed to "shine" in the spotlight that was left free for them. It's either BTS has held their record, or the members have taken them with their solo releases 😆 And the biggest reason for that is the fact that even with BTS serving in the military, all these other fandoms can talk about is STILL them, to the point that they forget to support their actual favorites 😭
40:17 the way mbc having beef with bighit/hybe due to bts was actually confirmed this year officially! basically mbc apologized and the companies said they are trying to mend the relationship
Yup they did
30:06 fans in kpop are crazy but anti fans are 10x more insane. I remember a member of a group TVXQ was poisoned by an anti pretending to be a staff member after super glue was placed in is drink. I'm glad BTS are always making sure to stay safe because their antis are on a different level of insanity
What the hell
And I wanna tell you guys that the hardships and accusations are still going on to this day.. there is a current smear campaign against BTS because of conflict surrounding HYBE but of course BTS is pulled into that when it had nothing to do with them . a week or so ago all of those accusations that you’ve seen in this video and more (that have been proven false btw) resurfaced. ARMYs are trying to stick together to protect the boys who are literally serving and can’t even respond to the insane claims.
ah... this will be a hard watch.... BUT AT LEAST JIN WILL BE BACK IN 3 DAYS !!!
As a girl, I also has never thought of BTS' music as misogynistic. Like certain songs were them just being teens and thirsting over women..but none of them were talking bad or being misogynistic
The ARMY remembers everything, knows everything and documents everything.
Thank you for supporting our BTS!
Oh yea I could never forget that
the part that is kinda insane is that she does a VERY sanitized version here, probably to avoid people to come at her and her channel
8:10 it actually is such a reach😭 cuz atleast BTS was singing about SCHOOL in their songs when their album concept outfit were uniforms,,,,,all the other groups pretty much sing love songs, only the 'aesthetic' is uniform.
So true.
Boracity Magazine just made a video essay about it! 💜 I recommend checking it out too.
Borahae!
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there is hate about every celebrity out there but i have seen truly awful things said about bts, it's hell sometimes
The name Bangtan (Bullet proof) fit them so much 😭 till this day bts still have bullet aim to them 😢
Out of everything here, the incident with that rude host and JK's hamburgers is still what hurts me the most. There's a clip of JK after that moment sitting there between the hosts and forcing himself to smile when he's obviously tearing up AND IT BROKE ME. He was so young.
i will never understand people who spend their time on being negative about others
TO THIS VERY DAY, antis bring up Tae’s grandmother whenever they try to insult him and BTS. It’s actually insane. Like these ppl can really be so sick for no good reason.
The only way athletes and musicians (which are the only two able-bodied groups that can obtain exemption) can get exempt is for them to win a prestigious award. Soccer players get exempt often bc they bring “National prestige to the country.” Classical musicians get exempt when they win international titles (giving the impression that BTS would’ve gained exemption had they won a Grammy). Heck, even Faker, the best league of legends players who happens to be Korean was recently granted exemption bc of an award he won.
to think this isnt even everything theyve faced...they truly braved the storm
BTS always takes notes during their album release press conferences. It’s similar to what Wesley is saying: they don’t want to misconstrue what the reporters are asking/forget parts of their questions and also want to clarify their responses before giving them
Just to clarify the underground hip hop interview. It wasn’t the host/interviewer who insulted BTS. In fact, it was the host who broached the discussion abt ppl already accusing BTS of not being hiphop bc they were idols and wearing makeup. It was another guest/underground rapper (B Free, he’s a bum and in jail) who interjected to call them girls. Also should note, there was only 1 host. The rest of the ppl at the table were other guests/rappers
As an African American, in general, I understand the “tough guy” aesthetic associated with hip hop (and in an extended clip of that interview, the host also discusses this dichotomy btw the image of hiphop and the image of idols) but if a hip hop artist today steps on stage, does an interview, or is in a photo shoot…they’re wearing makeup. It’s just a necessity for the business. So it really shows how outdated those ideals were at the time of this interview
38:53 lol you guys are so sweet, but actually there is some groups that knows about it, accept it and actually expects the corruption to happen, they say they won so proudly or take others achievements knowing it's not theirs, won't drop names here but if you know you know...
idols join the 3 big labels specifically just so they can get those benefits 😭 it’s shocking
now im curious which groups you mean lmao
Don't hold it back..spit their damn name out
45:51 the crazy thing about this and that makes me more mad, its that for BTS achievements there's barely news and articles about it or at least doesn't show as headlines but as soon as something bad happens or there's something bad they can say about BTS they make a lot of headlines and articles about it, example is when they released that Festa 2022 conversation and said they'd be on a "break" to focus more on solo projects and there were tons of articles saying they are on a hiatus and using Namjoon's image crying too!! He was so pissed about it too, all of them were, it's really so revolting how they change the words to fit their narrative!!
Oooh, wasn't expecting it for today!! But glad you watched since you don't know much about this part of their journey!!! It's crazy that there's more from 2021 to 2024, they really can't catch a break, but it's because they're good people that are focused on their craft and giving something good to their fans, so there's a lot of jealousy surrounding them, unfortunately!!
me thinking they'll catch a break during the enlistment period but noooo folks wanna be edgy and hateful so bad
@@eri6130I swear!! And even inside of their company there's a whole thing going on too, it's crazy
@@carols.0504 when I catch mhj
This video truly only scratches the surface of how cataclysmic that Japan v Korea/Jimin’s shirt controversy. Like Ik western history doesn’t teach it but Japan’s rule over Korea was genuinely on par with the holocaust, in terms of the Germans treatment of the Jews and how Japan treated Koreans (I’m not making that up or exaggerating, I learned this in college and all I can say is Japan’s PR team is unmatched). So, there’s still a lot of political tension btw Korea and Japan.
They’re in such close proximity and share a lot today culturally but every now and then there are incidents that flare up conflicts btw the two nations and the Jimin shirt controversy has to be one of the biggest in recent history. As the video explained, It led to Korean ARMYs writing a 160+ page document (in various languages) called The White Paper Project that they then distributed to international ARMYs to help educate us on Korea and Japan’s history. (I’ll link that whole presentation she did over on today’s patreon video bc even if you don’t react to it, it’s a fantastic history lesson on BTS and the impact of ARMY)
There was so much that went into that situation (historically and during that controversy) that I don’t even think I could fit it all in a comment. I’d have to write you guys an essay
When I heard about it my history of WW2 came to mind and I knew what was it was all about. The Japanese invaded Korea and did the same things the Nazi's did to the Jew's at that same time.
my father said he was not allowed to speak Korean and he was given a Japanese name
@@sc33h3o3 I heard they wouldn't let Korean be spoken or written in schools in order to totally remove the Korean language from the history books.
wait till you find out what's been happening literally over the last couple months, DESPITE BTS BEING IN THE MILITARY and arent active as a group.
And this nonsense never stopped actually, hate trains and smear campaigns continue to this day 😫
The song was War of Hormone. BTS doesn't perform the song anymore.
I really hope you guys react to boracity magazine videos about bts. You'll get an even more in depth look in the unjustice they receive from the industry.
Omg if you ever go to Seoul, try to schedule it in the days around festa😂 (13th june) thats the highest chance of an official in-person army/bts event being held. plus the whole month is just celebrating BTS' debut, so plenty of cafes/tours centred around them.
From what I have seen in twitter if BTS just breath antis will hate them like for no reason at all even though they are in the military now they are many people hating them and trying everything to shut them down just because they made them feel jalous and insecure for thier success especially the kpop fandoms
10:20 it's kinda a mix. it actually almost always starts with the fandoms. all those accusations were from the fds of big3 groups.....what they'd do is pick out random BTS photoshoots and releases, go hunting in the photoshoots of their own faves, and keep comparing and accusing when the similarities are basic. it's hittweets after hittweets for weeks, posts over posts in k-forums for months, it kinda had become a sport to them to harass BTS with the 'plagiarism' tag. they'd make so much noise, then shady ass media would pick up this topics under the "fans claim/netizens say" pretense and perpetuate that nonsense further.
big3 have a lot of contacts in the media, wont be surprised if they're behind the smear campaigns of any rising groups(and mind you, kpop has a LOT of one hit wonders, makes one wonder how so many end up fizzling out due to scandals)
This is just the tip of the iceberg. They do talk a bit more about it in their biography, Beyond the Story. Also the solo stans have become some of the worst antis for the group.
Seeing you both get mad at this is so validating though. You get it. I wish people would actually listen when you scold them though.
The French photographer is a complete sweetie. He didn't know any thing about so when HYBE reached out to him he was not only suprised by he loved what BTS had done and said there was no Plagiarism. But the cunning Reporter who was from another Kpop Company and the Press release wasn't even about that album he was referring to either he basically tried to hi -jack their new Album release by hoping to make BTS look bad.
It's been always like this for BTS since thier debut some people are still hating them for no reason and fhe thing I like about BTS is that they dont care about them just shut them down by thier success even tough they are in haitus now they are still the artists with the highest streaming and viewers in all platforms
5:34 also, we have to remember that RM was 18 and Suga was 19 in that interview....we have those interviewers that were all 30+ years old bullying kids that were barely adults
3:07 this is a bit of a misinformation, they did some work in the garage but most of the recording was still done in a studio, bang pd and pdogg have visited the studio again and talked about it, they have even worked later again with the same studio for things like mots7 and face
What makes me the most upset is that the boys were so young and had to endure all of this. Jungkook was still a minor when he was on the set of that variety show. The boys are so much more classy then me because I would have name dropped the people that were so awful to me in the past 😂
Not the only one I'd have decked them.
Now you understand why ARMY are so defensive towards them.Jealousy and hatred can make people so bitter & hateful.
I think the most irritating thing about this whole thing is that when armys say all these things it sounds so unbelievable that people are like" oh you're just overreacting, this is something you guys are blowing way out of proportion" and somehow the only people that have their backs is us because no one believes us when we say that this stuff happens
25:17 right, it's insane they even listen to fans, let alone respond??? EXO's fandom is still like that I fear😭 they sent one petition this year too, accusing BTS of the same old sajaegi sjsbshdjdj twt ARMYs have so much fun whacking them tho, there's just too many videos and twt spaces recordings of them genuinely physically weeping and raging over BTS winning that everyone got bookmarked to bully them back😭 just a deeply insecure fd
you don't know who is behind that to say it's EXO fandom for sure, in fact, more people bc of recent Hybe/Ador thing believe it's Min Hee Jin's camp behind that and other goings on to undermine BTS/Hybe, and in that vein, would likely wonder if you could be from that camp covering it up?
That L fandom truly justify the "L" they have got
The worst fandom ever...my blood boils when those dimwitted maniacs call armys "toxic"
if you ever have time i really recommend reading beyond the story, it really goes in depth about bts’ story and includes direct quotes and stories from members, some they had never shared before and a lot would be new to you
on the topic of military exemption: a lot of korean citizens were against it, especially men. they often gave a reasoning like "we, normal people, have to serve so these rich guys who sing insted of doing a normal useful job should do that as well" which i kinda get but at the same time bts never really expressed that they want to be exempted. the goverment itself was always very wavering. they would even give a straight answer if they would exempt them fully for a long time. there were still discussions that it may happen on the day that bts announced themselves that they're gonna start serving, with jin being the first to go
During 2016 and 2017 bts were making it big in US and other parts of the world.. but Korea had no idea because it was not reported in any korean media... so obviously other kpop fans were furious because some other groups were big in korea at the time... no one saw this coming.. but BTS became so big that no one could ignore their success... and they gained alot of general public fans in korea...ultimately I think it all boils down to power..
in their early rookie year they were disrespected on the variety shows they used to go that's also why they started their own show "Run Bts"
The hate for BTS in early era is because ppl look down on them.
The hate for BTS when they are rising is because ppl know that they are a threat to their fav.
The hate for BTS now is because they are way “too successful”.
So, look at where is the boys now. They are most succesful ever, they are the one become the TOP.
BTS karma is too strong
Re the MC on the Flower Crew show (poor JK with his thoughtful gift of hamburgers) that you later watched on YouQuiz: You also watched him on Beat Coin with Jimin on your Patreon. Watching him get get his ass propelled through the air and into that pool over and over and OVER again was cathartic for me. I felt like I could finally move on from that awful show. Clearly, JK and BTS forgave that guy sooner but I was holding a bit of a grudge until Beat Coin.
42:06 fr, i need them to be pettier sometimes!!! 2018 year end was actually so crazy, they attended and performed on every single award show....to not offend anyone? Or favoritise anyone? Everyone gets equal effort? Idk. but it was actually insane, they had such tough choreo that year and they DID NOT need be this kind and respectful to actually go recieve the award in person bruh
Once again I really appreciate and enjoy your commentary and conversation that we get to hear. I've said this on patreon already and left a longer message so I'm just going to stay as short as I can. It just makes me happy to see people who have this openness and understand and are willing to see and understand the different layers and factors that affect/control the things and people around us
im so glad u guys finally went into this, you are right they almost quit in 2018 because of the pressure and hate, they only persevered because of their love for each other and the fans
even now u might have heard there is a controversy with hybe ceos and one ceo threw bts under the bus and even was proven to have conspired to bring negativity to bts so her group could be seen as more successful.... it is so complicated but it is so frustrating that even now with the guys in the military they still get embroiled in these useless controversies
For all of us veteran army, well armys in general 💜, during that time in 2016, I wanted to say the worst things out of my mouth at the antis. It took a toll on us, but we got through it even though it's always something smh
This video I hope explains to some why Army are sometimes protective of the boys. At the beginning and even now it was sincerely only Army and BTS against the industry. We had no other fandoms to support us and were considered enemy no.1 to kpop fans. Some additional background the big 3 of kpop who own almost every popular group before the success of BTS had multiple connections within the industry and the corruption and the mistreatment of BTS vs big 3 groups is more so then what you can imagine
Guys JIN is back in 3 days
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@@WesandStephK Hey guys, sorry, saw you liked a reply saying you stopped watching rise bangtan because you didn't have a link to it, but it's all here if you search it you'll see!!!
For American music media and the awards....you should do a little research and see who owns controlling shares in the magazines like Billboard (and the charts) Rolling Stone etc as well as who owns the shares to some record label and on board of directors of the american awards. You'll find a "corp" controlling almost all the music media. They are controlling what we in North America, consume.
yes, this was definitely so important thank youuuuu 🥺and there's so much more, it's unbelievable. i'm simply so grateful for you guys reaction, because you just GET IT and are so authentic and real with your comments and discussions !!!
21:55 This makes me so freaking angry. Everyone, DO NOT EVER make fun of someone who has loss someone that they love. EVER!!!
Start of the video: this isn't meant to bring up pain or hard feelings.
Steph not even a quarter in: You are disgusting, and I am furious
I get it, it's insane to see how far some people go
The misogynistic song was War on Hormones which was a real take on teen boys and their Hormones. 💜💜💜
love your inputs always! this is why you guys are my favorite
this vid os very detailed and still there are more things that happened throughout those years that we actually! right! now! keep fighting for
it's insane
let's talk about plagiarizing schoolboy uniforms. AC/DC's Angus Young started wearing one on stage in 1974. Ray Davis from The Kinks wore one in 1975. So...
That ms postponement law was literally nicknamed 'the BTS law' because it applied to BTS only lol
But on the serious note, people were demanding BTS to serve since forever (I believe, even when JK was underage), and the media helped the narrative by downplaying BTS's achievements. There is a law for classical musucians which allows them not to serve in case they win an unternational competition award. How many intl awards does BTS have?
On the other hand, the goverment was using BTS for their own good, pushing them into politics and keeping them on short leash, basically manipulating them. Even now, when BTS members are in active ms, they try to pull them out for some promotions and cover-ups. BTS were so tired of this they just said f u and enlisted. Everyone and their mommas were begging BTS to reconsider their decision because they understood the consequences of BTS leaving. Thankfully, BTS will be somewhat free from this circus after they complete their ms.
The hamburger scene always makes me so sad because Jungkook was a literal child. He was only 19 years old..It was his first time without his brothers aka the other members and the hosts took advantage of that as well as BTS' lack of clout.
:( Imagine if his older brothers were there?
11:27 Idk why you stopped watching Rise of Bangtan but there's a lot shown there too, if you ever wanna go back and watch it!! Rise of Bangtan is nice because it shows also videos from the time and Logs of them talking about these stuff, i really recommend you to go back to watch it, if you can!!
Because it was removed from CZcams by the creator, they quite literally *can't* continue it unless someone sends them a downloaded version
@@shanajeangedeon9060Huh? Its literally on CZcams??
The creator did delete it for a while but people asked her to have it up so others can watch and even army's wanted to rewatch and stuff, she didn't put it back but someone uploaded it again
It also is a bit biased and isn't complete, so I think it would be a waste of time to watch ROB, instead of other official content.
@@Sjfyy_ the point is what official content, unless they watch the Logs themselves, because they watched everything and didn't know about all this, I agree Rise Of Bangtan has it's faults and it's very biased in some ways but there's stuff there that's not easy to find and it's cool for new army's/army's that weren't there to know and see
@@shanajeangedeon9060also, I answered you earlier but it disappeared for some reason but it's all on CZcams, it's been back for a long while, you just have to search it and you'll see
you know what's more discussing? them putting pictures of a person on fire and saying it's Tae's grandmother in hell💔💔💔
This video always almost makes me cry, people can be monsters when given free reign from the internet and "the right crowd"🥺
17:13 This was sadly not a misunderstanding nor a joke, both the hosts and the guests continued to essentially dogpile Jk through that entire episode(Jk was 17 these mfs were in their goddamn 30s-40s). They constantly belittled him and during one of the games(which was fan vote run) the other contestants tried to blame Jk for having the most votes(apparently popularity is a crime) by saying it wasn't fair for him to even be part of the voting system as a cute idol.
Steph & Wes. Thank you both for always having interesting insights and conversations in your videos. I have always found it interesting that you fell into the BTS rabbit hole via their Run BTS programs first before experiencing their music and witnessing their talents. Their personalities and sincerity are some of the major factors which connects so many ARMYs to them.
Regarding SK military service exemption is such a touchy subject to most South Koreans especially to most young men who are required to serve. It is often view "unfair" that award winning classical musicians , medaled atheletes and even medal winning pro-gamers (ie Faker's esport team) got military exemptions while BTS who has no doubt contributed more to South Korea's prestige & economy was not granted the exemption. Note: BTS did not want, nor did they ever plan to ask for an exemption because they knew that it would be a no-win situation for them. They would be in-debted to the corrupted government to used BTS however they want. Also each of the members always felt a sense of duty to serve their country as their fathers did. (V even shared how his father's stories about his time in the military inspired V to looking forward to serve with honor!) The sad part is their original plan was to all serve after their Map of the Soul world tour in 2020 but Covid ruined their plans and timing of going into the military. So for years, they got dragged by the general public for not serving (Jin & RM spoke about hearing all the negative things being said about them not serving all the while they already had made their plans to serve which kept on getting delay to due to different circumstances!) Remember, many peoples jobs depended on BTS, so they can not simply leave for the military without having everything set in place that their absence won't affect the company too much! Now that they are all serving (and Jin coming back in 3 days!) they are free from the government and the general publics opinions! They all have worked SO HARD in preparing so much for ARMY prior to joining the military that ARMY has not felt abandon or alone. They had time everything so well that there isn’t much down time! Can you believe that they have released over 120 songs since their "hiatus"?!? That's a crazy amount of music which has charted extremely well dispite them not being able to be here to promoted it! THANK YOU TO BTS FOR ALWAYS WORKING SO HARD ... now take some time for yourselves to re-engerize! ARMY will always be here waiting for you to return!
Thanks for the video. I’m always impressed by amount of thoughts and efforts you put into your content!
I do recall your first steps getting familiar with BTS with me joining you in watching Run BTS ep. 85 (although not sure whether this episode was the very first for you). It’s beautiful to see how you slowly but surely become ARMYs over last couple of years 🥰
Thanks for brightening up my day again! Purple you 💜💜💜
You know what. For me all ARMY that became ARMY after dynamite is baby ARMY. 2015-2018 was literal hell on twt honestly. I want all the new ARMY to know that we didn't accomplish the status of the powerful and protective fandom just by fangirling screaming and crying over BTS. It's sad but I'm so proud to be an ARMY. I didn't even like kpop back then. Not until BTS. Their existence itself is miracle. We need to regain that energy of a fandom before 2025 comeback
What an important video to discuss! Thanks a ton guys, I second watching boracity magazine videos if you want more content like this.
Stephanie, I actually do buy CDs, I have almost all of BTS’ CDs and I have all their solo CDs, due to itunes changing their system to Apple only, I can’t buy songs on there anymore.
oh I always think about them talking about how sad and sorry they were towards the fans because they have to go along with them through the hardships and the fans were always there trying to protect them or trying to clarify the rumors and then they released the song 2!3! and I cry every time I listen to it. I love them so much and I wish them the best
After 2021 still a lot of things happened especially the last couple months with the hybe controversy and they brought up again the 2017 mama trophy thing again that they stole it from another group even though the numbers says everything, but they put bts the face of this problem that is going on between companies while the boys have nothing to do with it, I can't imagine myself hating like this on someone it takes a lot of energy like i have a life get a life too, instead of hating on people that did nothing to you
When it comes to Reaction to BTS you guys are my way to go. Your commentary are top notch ⭐. It shows that you guys are really care about BTS and not just use BTS to boost your channel. 💜💜
The mysoginistic song their talking about is "war of hormones"
The november 2018 incident was one of the most traumatic to me in all my 20 years of fandom history (i’m thirty and pretty active in fandom spaces since I was 10). It was really bad, like the conservatives in japan started calling the boys n*zi and fabricating stuff to the point where a Jewish heritage museum did a post talking about the faking news and local friends irl started asking me how could I still support the boys and the white paper project was truly what I used to talk to them about how it was all slander and prove my point without looking like a conspiracy theorist. A couple days later the media deleted/corrected their statements and now is something most people dont know happened.
I think Wes would really enjoy Boracity Magazine. She makes video essays about bts and explanations about the kpop/music industry and their treatment by the US/radio/spotify and much more. Since he likes video essays I think he would reall enjoy the channel :)
56:15 yoongi refers to this incident of major label companies using bts' names to get an exemption for their artists in his lyrics for the song 'what do you think?'. he says "woo woo we'll serve when the time comes, I hope all the b*st*rds who tried to get a free ride by selling our names shut their mouths up". in general I don't agree with conscription anyway, but the audacity of these labels to continously use bts as an example to get what they want, or to promote their artists when THEYRE the ones constantly degrading bts' achievements is so wild to me. they only acknowledge bts' success when it's beneficial to them
37:40 This group that manipulated the rules in order to win was Black Pink.. Their agency did worse than that in order for their girls to succeed because of BTS. I was present during that period and witnessed fraud and injustice with my own eyes 😂
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29:10 no but if I didnt actually see it happen to multiple other groups/actors id never buy into such dramatic shit either😭
like that society is very hyper focused and narrow. one scandal ACTUALLY ends careers fr, esp if said person isnt well established, and even for established names it's a tag that latches on. kr society is very big on pretense of morality so they enforce that "good ppl" face on celebs very harshly to the point of harassment.
young celebs if sighted drinking, clubbing, smoking, being rude are whacked in k-forums pretty badly. the antifans actually are crazy dedicated BECAUSE of this hyper focused mentality. like ofc they'd antifan those they hate, if a rumor manages to stick, scandals ACTUALLY ends careers. one of the popular stories being of tablo where an antifan rumor of him 'faking a Stanford degree' (kr are big on educational clout) actually dogged him for years despite him recording and talking with the Stanford staff😭 like... physically dogged him, stalked him....he legit used to be scared of leaving his house.
so as absurd as the petition and calls sounds, this kinda entitlement is built in BECAUSE a lot of time companies give in into pressure to avoid/stop neg publicity, it kinda breeds wannabe manager netizens. if there's no pushback from the victims supporters, antis pretty much harass ppl into obscurity. thankfully ARMYs only grew in size, so we were still able to take whackings/attacking back in order to protect bangtan by clearing rumors and bullying harassers into silence.
They only person who could accuse BTS for 'copying school boy uniform' is the Lead singer of AC/DC the Australian Rock Band as he was the first band/group to wear school uniform on stage. Now everyone does it. Also that Group who accused them did wear school uniform but it was just in their MV and the song had nothing to do with School etc. While BTS wore school uniform as the the Album were about School eg the oppressiveness of the South Korean School system and also about topic's sounding the 'Concept' of School such as the throughts, feeling, emotions that school pupils go through eg Puberty so they whole thing was laughable that anyone could said they were 'copying'.
Thank you for reacting to this!
The amount of hate that is specifically targeted towards BTS for no godamn reason. Even today is astonishing
They wont even be related to the topic but somehow someone whould make it about BTS & drag them into it & hate them.
Every single day i pray for them to have strong mental supports in their life.
They dont deserve this. They are the most unproblematic kind human beings out there who just wanna spread love
All the entertainment companies think they can produce another BTS while BTS away. While now Jin and Jhope be coming back soon. The entire entertainment companies are in a panic mode. They are all very afraid of BTS return from the military! They have been spread all kind of rumors.
Ah jk and V 😢
i've always loved your reactions, thank you so much for your honest opinions about our boys and their hardships always. i love your intake and your reflections about all of it. but i think (towards the end you talked about it) that it's not JUST asian discrimination in the US that's HUGE. it's actually common towards ANY OTHER culture, because we've seen the same treatment towards the "latino" community for many many years too, i just think (and im sorry to say this on your channel) that A LOT of people in the US are actually so reluctant to accept that any other cultures are taking the lead be it in music or any other aspect. it's been way bigger against the asian community lately but it's always been there. this is in NO WAY against you, I LOVE YOU, please keep doing what you do
You should watch The Rise of Bangtan which follows the members pre-debut till 2018. It gives more context about the K-pop industry, Korean culture, the recrutement process, the audition process, the trainee period and it shows how hard they've worked to succeed... It's on CZcams (The Rise of Bangtan has it's own channel). It's a fanmade 21-episode series (chapters, bonus content and deleted scenes). It's really well-made and very addictive...
58:30 oh i didnt realise this video never expands on this. FOR EXEMPTION topic.
basically the main discourse about who deserves and what qualifies. exemptions should be given to ppl who bring national 'prestige' so by that logic a lot of olympians have gotten it, esp ones with medals. there's also some classical musicians who've gotten in but im not sure what merits they had. recently fakers eSports team also got it, i think they won smth? In asian games i think? Idk, but they had a LOT of whackings, the gp does NOT like ppl getting away.
but still, in that logic BTS does qualify. they HAVE bought a lot of national prestige, thats undeniable. so what the main contention for them was, 'did they do it for themselves or did they do it for the country' which was honestly such a copout....like even the olympians want the wins for themselves bruh😭 so as the ministry kept dragging the issue on, gp would drag BTS for wanting to run away from 'duty' when they basically chose their career for fame and got popular...not because they wished to bring korea prestige?? there's a snobby outlook at pop culture entities and their reasons to be in their career path. so they say, your reasons for doing your job were money and fame, you DID NOT do it for the country's sake. sounds like excuses to me tbh, resentment for celebs 'getting away' for things normal men cant ig. sucked because BTS never asked for it in the first place, it was pitched by some politicians in the opposing party(ig for clout, rather than actual care, but it started the insane discourse)
insane because they have never not talked about korea positively, always sharing tidbits of their culture, ALWAYS EATING!! SO MUCH TASTY STUFF!! that i get curious and look up all the names they say 😂 they have a whole song in k-trad instruments in IDOL??? like tf they want from them, a honor pact written with their blood???
In 2019, the other agencies went to KOMCA(music association) they(w/o bighit) decided to send a letter to the govt asking for exemption for pop artists, because they knew BTS with their accolades were the best bet to get a motion passed for their own moneymakers. with them making BTS the face of that petition, it started off the attacks BTS got by prickly netizens for "wanting exemptions" when neither they nor bh participated in that nonsense.
But it did start off a discourse that politicians would toy with, and everytime they'd yap it would start a new hate train for BTS 'for not being honorable countrymen' 2020 is when jin was due to file for serving, also the year they finally had the breakthrough with dynamite, and that's the year GOVT finally decided to amend the law to allow pop artists with Order of Merit to postpone for two years.
Order of Merit btw is only given to pop icons whove been in the industry for minimum 10-15years and have made great impact 😂😂😂 BTS are the youngest to get it, only within 5y in 2018 thx to their global impact. there's no way anyone else is getting that in time or have even close to the impact before the enlistment deadline of 28y comes😂 so they basically made it for BTS.
but they did keep yapping about it until 2022 too which continued the hate, they'd ask way too many diplomatic favors too, forcing them to rearrange their own plans. so they finally decided to just announce the hiatus+enlistment once their obligations were done, didnt even wait or bother for the govt to be in session.
in a way FANS did want them to be exempted and did think they, of all Koreans, deserved to get exempted for their impact, esp when we see the other's who were exempted and what they'd achieved in comparison to BTS but when we realised how resentful and prickly the gp responds on the topic and how BTS also treads very lightly on the topic, always showing a willingness to enlist when the time comes, and how they're getting attacked for things they didn't even asked for, ppl resigned themselves to correcting misinfo about the enlistment 'demand' and be silently resentful of SKs blue house tbh.
fans of other groups were very horrible too, spread so much misinfo. stupid, because if they supported bts' exemption, they can use their case as a precedent to get their own faves exempted. but nope, they got an opportunity to bash BTS which they did for YEARS. bragging how their faves were "real men" and how BTS are running from responsibility yada yada.... highly racist tbh, since ifans are mostly from white countries trynna speak on pocs... anyways.
Also Wes its very unlikely your wrestler would've been exempted tbh. MMA as a sport isnt as popular or in enough good graces in SK tbh. He'd get attacked online and have neg rep if he petitioned for it or if the ministry was considering it.
The difference is Taylor (who I love so no shade) would of preformed her whole song not a short version.
I loved your input on this. Sadly, the hate still goes on even though they are not active as a group.
This also tells a lot about how petty K-pop industry is and how corrupted kmedia in general. I visited Seoul twice already because of BTS. Before becoming a fan of them, SK is not on top of my list of countries I wanted to visit. So whenever I visited there, I made sure to let the locals I encountered knew that BTS is the reason why I'm visiting.
i hope you will continue watching the logs too soon 💜
Have you guys watched the Rise of Bangtan youtube docuseries? If you watch this, you will see more of their struggles and journey. It is well worth watching.
They stopped at 5 when the creator took down the series. They haven't gotten a new link to continue
@@marissa1341 Everything is on CZcams
"kimpossible villian plots" lmao but also so true lol. as always love your commentary
27:15 right??? it's actually so absurd in hindsight but the problem with kpop niche being so tiny, every small issue gets exacerbated. and if the majority of kpopsphere hates you, they keep scratching on the scab to keep it bleeding. ppl would hop on such hate trains and restart old discourses that already were cleared, or BTS already addressed, theyd blow up everyt action, misinterpret their words to mean smth else, keep using this "bigbangs(the grp in question) family agrees" as an excuse to keep being a hateful shite. it's like wes said, its not really about what BTS did, they just hate them so they go searching for excuses to bash them openly
omg i just realised you didnt see Rise of Bangtan post ep6, its uploaded again yall, pls watch it if you have free time, such a good insight into the pre pandemic eras and them as humans. good way to catch up sijce we cant exactly watch every interview and bangtan b0mb thru the years😂
25:12 I mean, I'm sure some armys tried to call the academy when BTS didn't win the grammy...😂 Dedicated fans go miles for their idols, but they are not always right, like the recorded convo
Cause the category in which BTS were nominated they DESERVED in that category... it's not fan voted like Korean award show
@Bang...9900 I do agree BTS deserved it, that category didn't even make sense, mixing featured solo artists with groups... My point here was to comment how Steph joked about calling the academy. On a side note, that Korea award was not based on fan vote, BTS won for being more popular that year
@@lal4mm thanks for correction
22:30 I FEEL THAT RAGE TOO OMG. I FELT SO BAD FOR V EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN YEARS NOW
Thank u so much for this amazing and thoughtful reaction! A lot of the things happening in the K-industry are coming from the "big 3" companies and their connections and media power. There are literally firms in SK dedicated to spreading online hate. And BTS were never accused of actual plagiarism of music, only this idiocy of hair colours, nail colours, sets, clothes, etc. SK idols with proven plagiarism of music are not even spoken about if they came from the big companies back then. The target, as usual, was BTS because they gained international success FIRST, and then SK had no choice but to accept them. It all comes to jealousy. BTS made their success through blood, sweat, and tears without any industry support, and that is a thorn in the eye of the industry. And ARMY's mentality is this in a nutshell: if there's hate, stream and buy BTS music - overcome it with more success. ARMYs once charted the whole BTS discography on US Itunes after BTS were clearly snubbed from one award show - no hate #s, but more buying and streaming. That's the difference between us and kpop stans.
And I understand now flabbergasted you are watching this - the K mistreatment is so ridiculous, for such absurd reasons it's unthinkable for a rational human being and the Western one - racism and xenophobia at its finest.
Btw the woman who spoke about the White Paper Project and BTS and Japan 2018 controversy is Prof. Lee Jiyoung; she's a philosophy PhD and Professor of Film Studies; I actually met her at the first BTS conference that was held in London and was organized by Kingston University. She's an amazing person, and she has a great book, "BTS: Art Revolution," published in English in 2019. Also, during the conference, there was actually a report on the BTS plagiarism accusations by a law master's student (as I remember, not sure), and she literally showed the absurdity of all arguments that were stated throughout official media regarding "plagiarism" about hair color, nail colors, clothes, sets etc.