Infinitely Proliferate with Venser, Corpse Puppet!

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  • An easy 3-card combo you can pull off in Commander that will result in you being able to proliferate an infinite number of times.
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Komentáře • 163

  • @byronsmothers8064
    @byronsmothers8064 Před rokem +431

    How poetic this combo spans the three block releases of Mirrodin/Phyrexia.

    • @kalamander8563
      @kalamander8563 Před rokem +16

      That's...actually really cool

    • @rennac3152
      @rennac3152 Před rokem +27

      “Perfection is both the process and the destination” -Phyrexians dropping bars

    • @rennac3152
      @rennac3152 Před rokem +4

      It was free real estate for improvement

  • @jayceehampton8031
    @jayceehampton8031 Před rokem +178

    Curse those Phyrexian bastards for compleating my boy Venser's corpse like that...

    • @vinluv
      @vinluv Před rokem +10

      Man they just melted him on memnarch.

    • @darkjackl999
      @darkjackl999 Před rokem +8

      You can tell they were PISSED he freed Karn

    • @evandurham8908
      @evandurham8908 Před 7 měsíci

      Given how his journal works, he deserves it.

  • @MrMeeseeksthe1st
    @MrMeeseeksthe1st Před rokem +52

    This might be the most flavorful combo considering the cards.

  • @dirtydeeds4free553
    @dirtydeeds4free553 Před rokem +55

    There is beauty in death. Sometimes you just let stuff die. The end of a story is so much better than the shambling of a corpse

  • @AMeekKiwi
    @AMeekKiwi Před rokem +51

    Yet another dross scorpion combo. I like it with liquidmetal torque/coating and goblin welder.

  • @LDPofclan935
    @LDPofclan935 Před rokem +12

    Venser out here being a shadow superfriends commander

    • @elephantguy0790
      @elephantguy0790 Před rokem

      Any commander can be a superfriends commander if you have enough money or enough determination to play a bad deck

  • @alexsorrentino1576
    @alexsorrentino1576 Před rokem +42

    It can be done also in Sultai with Intruder Alarm and the green beast (i dont remember the name) that says "Tap, sacrifice a creature: Proliferate"

    • @dustinmartin3442
      @dustinmartin3442 Před rokem +9

      Plaguemaw Beast for anyone wondering. 👌🏾

    • @Commander_Claw
      @Commander_Claw Před rokem +2

      Dross Scorpion prices just spiked bc of this lol...great combo though

  • @ToadboyVlogs
    @ToadboyVlogs Před rokem +17

    ...is that...planeswalker venser?!

  • @whitesmith5985
    @whitesmith5985 Před rokem +4

    I found this combo as soon as he was spoiled actually. Feel like he'd be a really strong commander, specifically with all the new Proliforate cards.

  • @Commander_Claw
    @Commander_Claw Před rokem +6

    I just hope new MTG players remember YOU CHOOSE who gets counters. I can see an opponent lying to someone e that they get poison counters at the sane time they do and loses the game.

  • @KrayZieTyler
    @KrayZieTyler Před rokem +3

    Yes, tokens do in fact go to the graveyard first.

    • @jcanizales
      @jcanizales Před rokem

      Has that always been the case?

  • @nightvell2216
    @nightvell2216 Před rokem +2

    with scheming aspirant on field opponents will drain for two and you'll gain two life each time you proliferate

  • @Busker_3000
    @Busker_3000 Před rokem +11

    evil combo. I love it.

  • @silenc3068
    @silenc3068 Před rokem

    And Jace the Perfected Mind just got a lot better

  • @RaceBandit
    @RaceBandit Před rokem +1

    If you have this combo, Ichormoon Gauntlet, and any Planeswalker, congratulations on compleating Dialga.

  • @austinwilburn1772
    @austinwilburn1772 Před rokem

    The combo is lent very reliable with so many pieces needed but it’s flavor is on point.

  • @FTGxSoJuFoRcEs
    @FTGxSoJuFoRcEs Před rokem +1

    Had a feel blue and black was gonna be one of the nastier decks out of phyrexia💯💧💀

  • @zengebra7179
    @zengebra7179 Před rokem

    "whenever" is scary

  • @CharmanderDeath
    @CharmanderDeath Před rokem

    Posted this combo the day venser was spoiled

  • @AT-il2ej
    @AT-il2ej Před rokem +2

    Poor Tom Brady

  • @griffingately4561
    @griffingately4561 Před rokem +1

    Though it may not be in the Dimir colors you can do a similar combo with the new Vencer tainted observer, and Ashnod's altar

  • @TheKillerman3333
    @TheKillerman3333 Před rokem +1

    Venser made a sliver....it was able to tap into the hive mind. We might get a phyrexian sliver

    • @The_Dying_Rose
      @The_Dying_Rose Před rokem +1

      Hmm... Toxic, flying, trampling, slivers with +7/+7.

    • @TheKillerman3333
      @TheKillerman3333 Před rokem

      @@The_Dying_Rose i am still holding out hope for a sliver planeswalker. "after getting thrown to the reaches of the multiverse, it had awoken something impossible, a spark. although it no longer had a queen to guide it, it no longer needed one. Venser's sliver knew that the time had come. Once a mear construct, now the last hope for a race that was almost snuffed out."

    • @BaronSengir1008
      @BaronSengir1008 Před rokem +1

      And then Phyrexian eldrazi slivers!

    • @TheKillerman3333
      @TheKillerman3333 Před rokem +1

      @@BaronSengir1008 we now know what happened to venser! They ruined my boy!!

  • @tyler71989
    @tyler71989 Před rokem

    The fact that phyrexia is using Vencers soulless corpse is crazy lol

  • @KyleRollandMarceau
    @KyleRollandMarceau Před rokem

    Finally! We broke Dross Scorpion

  • @tannerorlund9643
    @tannerorlund9643 Před rokem +3

    I don’t think that works as dross scorpion says when a creature is put into the grave yard and I don’t think creature tokens trigger into grave abilities do they?

    • @artificium_
      @artificium_ Před rokem +4

      they do. they just cease to exist after

  • @alexeomagnifico9636
    @alexeomagnifico9636 Před rokem

    Perfect! I NEEDED that untap

  • @bindooransachithanandam203

    There is just one thing… Token don’t get put into the graveyard which is why I think this combo would not work. Dross Scorpion is worded ‘whenever…. is put into the graveyard….’

  • @zachariahpoltergeist4516

    God this new set is looking sweet!

  • @cdleachxiii
    @cdleachxiii Před rokem

    This is going into my infect deck tonight!

  • @danielvahtaric5091
    @danielvahtaric5091 Před rokem

    On flavor combo pieces, nice 👍

  • @dontfeedthelunatic
    @dontfeedthelunatic Před rokem

    I was already the reason that my playgroup kills dross scorpion, time to give them even more reasons.

  • @kiecool1994
    @kiecool1994 Před 11 měsíci

    Looks like i need a new Venser, sad to see this is how he ended up but glad to see the ability as my proliferate deck is all about putting out golems through golem foundry and now gives me an excuse to add black to the deck

  • @degobah144
    @degobah144 Před rokem

    I was already thinking about doing something like this, I'm probably gonna stuff it with a bunch of planeswalkers and stall and simply win with value.

  • @GalacticBlader
    @GalacticBlader Před 8 měsíci

    this is how u win with the millennium calender

  • @El_ultimo_Guille
    @El_ultimo_Guille Před rokem

    i play in the three pre-release of each cards and i have the 3 cards -sigma look-

  • @el_floppo9159
    @el_floppo9159 Před rokem +1

    NONONO NOT VENSER NOOOOO

  • @zaddydaddy162
    @zaddydaddy162 Před rokem

    Building a pyrexian deck rn and this is def getting added ty sir

  • @AmariieMaerthos
    @AmariieMaerthos Před rokem

    I actually just pulled Venser yesterday

  • @meatbag1228
    @meatbag1228 Před rokem

    Saving this!

  • @Andrew_the_Worthy_Shield

    CZcams must want me to play Bolas Superfreinds, because the colors and some of the cards I am seeing would work perfectly in that commander deck.

  • @christianwalters2226
    @christianwalters2226 Před rokem +5

    But the token would never actually hit the graveyard, so dross scorpion's ability wouldn't trigger. When a token is sacrificed or destroyed, and leaves the battlefield, it ceases to exist. It doesn't hit graveyard or exile.

    • @RaikaTempest
      @RaikaTempest Před rokem

      Suprised I had to scroll far to see this

    • @mrlescure
      @mrlescure Před rokem +2

      ​@@RaikaTempest surprised I didn't have to scroll further to see this. Tokens do go to the graveyard, they're removed from it as a state based effect, so they do trigger dross scorpion.

    • @RaikaTempest
      @RaikaTempest Před rokem

      @@mrlescure Ah, my mistake. In Yu-Gi-Oh that's not how it works, should have known magic did it differently

  • @proto-type3201
    @proto-type3201 Před rokem +1

    Wonder what planeswalkers fit to this combo

  • @RayCode37
    @RayCode37 Před rokem

    You can also combo in EDH with venser with Tainted Observer and either KCI or Ashnod's Altar... Although not with venser as your commander sadly

  • @kamikazechicken8794
    @kamikazechicken8794 Před rokem

    You can use grinding station instead of the dross

  • @ModernXtrues
    @ModernXtrues Před rokem

    Tainted observer and ashnods alter is an infinite combo with vensen as well

  • @apocalypticpioneers2116

    I'm so glad this isn't selesnya

  • @JeanLucCanas
    @JeanLucCanas Před rokem

    Oh no! Venser! 😢

  • @mysteriousanonymous7992
    @mysteriousanonymous7992 Před rokem +1

    Are tokens put into the graveyard?

  • @Sloominator
    @Sloominator Před rokem +1

    Anyone know a decklist for this? Seems pretty cool.

  • @rennac3152
    @rennac3152 Před rokem +1

    Phyrexia stays winning once again

  • @BoBnfishy
    @BoBnfishy Před rokem +2

    Poor venser :(

  • @jaxsonbateman
    @jaxsonbateman Před rokem

    On the one hand, it's a 3+1 (the one being any random artifact) card combo, so pretty darn jank. On the other, at least Venser can be your commander, the 3 artifacts are pretty cheap, and infinite proliferate can be game ending with a number of options (a planeswalker with a good ultimate probably being the most notable one).
    Definitely a fun one.

    • @iankane3732
      @iankane3732 Před rokem

      Just add in a disciple of the vault or blood artist/zulaport cutthroat to kill everybody lol

  • @jimstines1907
    @jimstines1907 Před rokem

    Um. The golem is a token. It never touches the graveyard....

  • @everydaypanda0874
    @everydaypanda0874 Před rokem +1

    Kinda pricy but throw a grinding station in there to mill and kill

  • @mr.coolio1746
    @mr.coolio1746 Před rokem

    Do tokens really get "put into graveyard"? I thought they're exiled when they die.

  • @thablackknight
    @thablackknight Před rokem

    I thought tokens don't go to the graveyard so does this combi still work?

  • @alexihoul4891
    @alexihoul4891 Před rokem

    But don't tokens never enter the graveyard and directly vanish?

  • @dragonheart5349
    @dragonheart5349 Před rokem +2

    Couldn't this also mean an infinite damage combo with Blood Artist?

  • @michealray4895
    @michealray4895 Před rokem

    Aren't tokens put into exile?

  • @johnnyquick4634
    @johnnyquick4634 Před rokem

    The token never gets "put into your graveyard so that won't work, thank you

    • @irondogkiller3571
      @irondogkiller3571 Před rokem

      Plus it is legendary

    • @DarkestFiction
      @DarkestFiction Před rokem

      Tokens trigger dying effects, as they go into the graveyard, and then cease to exist. This works 100%. A relevant look at the rule is 111.7 "A token that's in a zone other than the battlefield ceases to exist. This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.)" The important part of that ruling is the part in parentheses.

    • @DarkestFiction
      @DarkestFiction Před rokem

      @@irondogkiller3571 The Legendary typing doesn't matter. As soon as you tap Throne of Geth, you sacrifice the Hollow Sentinel as its cost, and proliferate. Because you sacrificed Sentinel, you no longer control the token, and that allows Venser's trigger to happen, giving you the token again, and allowing the loop.

    • @irondogkiller3571
      @irondogkiller3571 Před rokem

      @@DarkestFiction true but the legendary running should still happen

    • @DarkestFiction
      @DarkestFiction Před rokem

      @irondogkiller3571 it won't and doesn't matter. You sacrifice the Sentinel to Throne. It's gone. After the proliferate happens from Throne, Venser triggers. You create that token, then sacrifice it to Throne again.

  • @baileyayalin6177
    @baileyayalin6177 Před rokem

    Wait I didn't know tokens go to graveyard

  • @henriquesilveira9913
    @henriquesilveira9913 Před rokem

    But tokens go to the cemitery?

  • @thomasesposito66
    @thomasesposito66 Před rokem +1

    Do tokens enter the graveyard?

  • @ubilava9454
    @ubilava9454 Před rokem

    So basically a 4 card combo

  • @thema1622
    @thema1622 Před rokem

    Ok,but there's a trouble... Venser creates a TOKEN It never touches the graveyard if It will,instead is just removed from the game,you can see examples of this in mtg arena

    • @Diculas2007
      @Diculas2007 Před rokem +1

      Incorrect.
      Tokens die. They may not have in the past (I can't remember 100%) but they do now, but as soon as they hit the graveyard they no longer exist.
      The same is true with Commanders now. If your commander WOULD go to the graveyard and instead you replace it by putting it into the command zone, you still get the death/dying trigger associated.

  • @hisc0rehq843
    @hisc0rehq843 Před rokem

    doesn't this not work because tokens don't go into graveyards? Like...the ability won't trigger because when a token dies it just disappears, right? idk

    • @BaronSengir1008
      @BaronSengir1008 Před rokem +2

      A creature dying is defined as it going into the graveyard from the battlefield... The fact that the token immediately disappears as soon as it goes to any zone other than the battlefield is irrelevant... It still goes to the graveyard...

    • @hisc0rehq843
      @hisc0rehq843 Před rokem +1

      @@BaronSengir1008 OHHHHHHHHHHHH SHIII I DIDN'T KNOW THAT 💀

  • @crowfeather4682
    @crowfeather4682 Před rokem +2

    But the token never reaches the graveyard? How would you be able to sac it to trigger the enter the graveyard effect?

  • @FlyMysticalDJ
    @FlyMysticalDJ Před rokem

    Tokens don’t go into the graveyard or am I just a nub?

    • @DarkestFiction
      @DarkestFiction Před rokem

      Rule 111.7 explains this. The important part is in the parentheses, where it says that a token changing zones will cease to exist, but will still trigger abilities.

  • @ShreksBaguette
    @ShreksBaguette Před 10 měsíci

    but tokens don't go to graveyard

  • @drenth27
    @drenth27 Před rokem

    dross scorpion is it a broken card

  • @damo9961
    @damo9961 Před rokem

    Why not just play thassas oracle + Pact? In casual it's basically the same thing. Unfun win out of nowhere combo

  • @Gaswafers
    @Gaswafers Před rokem

    Dross Scorpion is a goofy ass card.

  • @AlienAbroad
    @AlienAbroad Před rokem

    This combo wouldn't work with the golem token, tokens don't actually go to the graveyard when they're destroyed, sacrificed or killed, they're just removed from the board, much like an exile effect

    • @LXZTUBE
      @LXZTUBE Před rokem +3

      This is false. 100% unequivocally false. The game state sees tokens hit the grave then they ceases to exist. (Unless it refers to "cards", but this isn't). Make sure you take this time to update your knowledge so you do not misinform someone in the future.

  • @sigmundphelps7959
    @sigmundphelps7959 Před rokem

    But what are you going to do with that combo? Lol

    • @KrayZieTyler
      @KrayZieTyler Před rokem +2

      Win? Infinite infect counters, infinite turns, etc

    • @sigmundphelps7959
      @sigmundphelps7959 Před rokem

      @@KrayZieTyler thing is tho you gotta get a poison counter on them. But to be fair by the time you set up the combo you will probably definitely have poison counters on your opponent

    • @iankane3732
      @iankane3732 Před rokem

      Disciple of the vault

  • @chrisaraiza6761
    @chrisaraiza6761 Před rokem

    Did they change the rules to make tokens touch the graveyard when they die before they cease to exist? My understanding is tokens only exist on the battlefield and thus cannot be put into any other zone. So sacrificing the token would not trigger the scorpion’s untap ability.

  • @tristanbrainwood637
    @tristanbrainwood637 Před rokem

    Dross scorpion is when it us put into graveyard

  • @MrMakoaddict
    @MrMakoaddict Před rokem

    Surely the scorpion doesn't trigger as if you sac the token with throne it doesn't hit the graveyard for the trigger???

    • @BaronSengir1008
      @BaronSengir1008 Před rokem +3

      Except it does... The token disappears as soon as it hits the graveyard, but it does go there...

  • @SumScrubIsUsingxPeke
    @SumScrubIsUsingxPeke Před rokem

    Tokens don't go to graveyard

    • @andrewpearson463
      @andrewpearson463 Před rokem +4

      Yes they do, they just stop existing afterward.

    • @SumScrubIsUsingxPeke
      @SumScrubIsUsingxPeke Před rokem +3

      @@andrewpearson463 you're right, I forgot to delete after fact checking... They stay exactly as long as death triggers take x3

  • @Battlehardenedturtle
    @Battlehardenedturtle Před rokem

    but dont tokens not go into the graveyard? so it wouldn't trigger dross scorpion?

  • @GRtogetaBIC
    @GRtogetaBIC Před rokem

    Dross scorpion says "put ina graveyard" unless he has an oracle text this doesn't work with the tokens

    • @KrayZieTyler
      @KrayZieTyler Před rokem +4

      It does, tokens go to the graveyard

    • @GRtogetaBIC
      @GRtogetaBIC Před rokem

      @@KrayZieTyler How? Unless I missed something they can't touch the graveyard because they are not "real cards" just like they can't go in the deck or hand. They should only trigger effects like "sacrifice" "dies" "leaves the battlefield" and not "put in a graveyard".

    • @terradusa4219
      @terradusa4219 Před rokem +2

      @@GRtogetaBIC Tokens hit the yard then cease to exist.

    • @GRtogetaBIC
      @GRtogetaBIC Před rokem

      @@terradusa4219 I will have to check on that, but if true, it means so many fucking triggers missed on Commander

  • @mr.katatafish8965
    @mr.katatafish8965 Před rokem

    not sure about but does creature tokens are put into a graveyard?!.... ^^

    • @VoodooDuck
      @VoodooDuck Před rokem

      Jep, dieing means "put into graveyard from battlefield", so they hit the gy :)

    • @mikulasspurny9088
      @mikulasspurny9088 Před rokem

      I thought so too, but the rules say that when the token changes zones, it dissapears *after* abilities trigger from its death.

  • @chrisaraiza6761
    @chrisaraiza6761 Před rokem

    Did they change the rules to make tokens

  • @dadopacman1458
    @dadopacman1458 Před rokem +3

    Wait, but when a creature token dies it doesn't go to the grave right? The scorpion thing says the artifact has to go to the graveyard. What am I missing?

  • @guidieon5841
    @guidieon5841 Před rokem

    I thought tokens don't hit the graveyard. So it would not work..?

    • @KrayZieTyler
      @KrayZieTyler Před rokem +2

      Tokens do hit the graveyard first, and then cease to exist.

  • @NightEver
    @NightEver Před rokem

    But tokens can't go to graveyards so the combo won't work

    • @NightEver
      @NightEver Před rokem

      @@Rioxma Really? I always thought that they just disappear

    • @NightEver
      @NightEver Před rokem

      @@Rioxma true

  • @ameliaward7429
    @ameliaward7429 Před rokem

    Lol. MTG is literally a children's game at this point.

  • @Pearbyte
    @Pearbyte Před rokem

    This doesn't work because hollow sentinel is a legendary creature.

    • @BaronSengir1008
      @BaronSengir1008 Před rokem +1

      And? Legendary just means you can't have multiples of it out under your control at a time... The fact that you keep sacrificing it means you never have more than one out...

  • @noahcollin9532
    @noahcollin9532 Před rokem

    Isn't the token never put into the graveyard? In other words, since a token dies, isn't it exiled and the untapping ability never triggers?

    • @Koios90
      @Koios90 Před rokem +3

      Tokens do, in fact, go to the graveyard before they cease to exist due to state-based actions. So they trigger all the normal dies triggers that doesn't specify either nontoken (e.g. Blight Mound), or card (e.g. Sefris). See rule 111.7

  • @parazightsporch2523
    @parazightsporch2523 Před rokem

    This combo is very weak in any format it's legal in.

  • @ZackeroniAndCheese
    @ZackeroniAndCheese Před rokem

    Comboing 🤢

  • @kingginger3335
    @kingginger3335 Před rokem

    That's way too many cards to pull off this combo. If any of those pieces get removed, then you're just stuck with a bunch of cards that do nothing

    • @connorosborne3545
      @connorosborne3545 Před rokem +6

      Three card combo in commander is pretty reasonable

    • @kingginger3335
      @kingginger3335 Před rokem +1

      @connorosborne3545 not really. The only time they work is in very low-power games. I've tried multiple times to put together a 3 card combo in medium to high-power decks and they've literally never worked. So unless you're playing a bunch of noobs with shitty decks then they're not good. There are hundreds of 2 card combos and redundancies. They're too inefficient and slow.

    • @connorosborne3545
      @connorosborne3545 Před rokem +1

      @@kingginger3335 To each their own. If i remember to, ill let you know how the venser loops go once i get it built.

    • @SuperSilverSerpent
      @SuperSilverSerpent Před rokem +2

      Disagree, I think dross scorpion is the only “useless” card here. If you’re already building your deck around proliferation and counters (which is the only shell where this is useful anyway) then both throne and geth and Venser are perfectly reasonable cards to be running. I do agree that it’s a fairly slow/obtuse combo to pull off though.

    • @colton5889
      @colton5889 Před rokem

      @@kingginger3335 the only thing is that vesner could be a two drop in the command zone and a two card combo if done right could be high power to cedh

  • @leodymny3153
    @leodymny3153 Před rokem +2

    This combo doesn't work as tokens aren't put into graveyards so you wouldn't get the trigger to untap

    • @Kurayamiblack
      @Kurayamiblack Před rokem +20

      I'm pretty sure they do go to the graveyard and then get removed from existence once the game checks for their location.

    • @leodymny3153
      @leodymny3153 Před rokem +2

      Oh, ok. I thought Tokens were just removed from the battlefield when they die but I looked up the rule and you're right.

    • @HighOctaneFun1
      @HighOctaneFun1 Před rokem +2

      Tokens still change zones they just don't exist in non battlefield zones so they cease to exist when they hit your graveyard, hand or exile

    • @IDidntVoteForThisOption
      @IDidntVoteForThisOption Před rokem +3

      “Tokens go to the graveyard as regular creatures, and are removed as a "state-based effect" when a player gets priority again. They stay in the graveyard long enough to trigger abilities, like the one of Soulcatchers' Aerie , before they are removed.”

  • @josuemagana7242
    @josuemagana7242 Před rokem +1

    turn 1 use thoughtsieze to discard venser, corpse puppet and completely avoid dealing with another dumb janky inifinite combo