Cannibal Mouse: The MythBusters Episode You'll Never See
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"MythBusters" co-host Adam Savage recalls using mice to test the old adage about the cereal box being more nutritious than the sugary cereal inside it. While Savage and co-host Jamie Hyneman found the surprising results hilarious, Discovery Channel disagreed and banned the episode.
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Adam Savage Presents Problem Solving: How I Do It at Maker Faire Bay Area 2010. This program was recorded in San Mateo, CA, on May 22, 2010.
Adam Savage has spent his life gathering skills that allow him to take what's in his brain and make it real. He's built everything from ancient Buddhas to futuristic weapons, from spaceships to dancing vegetables, from fine art sculptures to animated chocolate and just about anything else you can think of.
Since 1993, Adam has concentrated on the special-effects industry, honing his skills through more than 100 television commercials and a dozen feature films, including Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace and Episode II: Attack of the Clones, Galaxy Quest, Terminator 3, A.I. and the Matrix sequels. He's also designed props and sets for Coca-Cola, Hershey's, Lexus and a host of New York and San Francisco theater companies. Not only has he worked and consulted in the research and development division for toy companies and made several short films, but Adam has also acted in several films and commercials -- including a Charmin ad, in which he played Mr. Whipple's stock boy, and a Billy Joel music video, "Second Wind," in which he drowns.
Today, in addition to co-hosting Discovery Channel's MythBusters, Adam teaches advanced model making, most recently in the industrial design department at the San Francisco Academy of Art. Somehow he also finds time to devote to his own art. His sculptures have been showcased in over 40 shows in San Francisco, New York and Charleston, W.Va.
Let me get this straight. Adam Savage visited a college. And no one thought this event was worth recording.
Chan nel likely pre smartphone era
Shaun Dreclin the dark ages I like to call it
They had video cameras (sure video quality would have been shit, but still).
Not shit, state of the art
we must find a video....
This just supports my theory that Jamie Hyneman has, at various points in his life, held every job known to mankind.
This is Adam Savage though? Or are you referring to the Pet Shop job?
He is the human Donald Duck.
@@weckar Instead of a sailors cap he has a barett
@@adamas_dragon And instead of being duckman he is a walrusman
I saw him on a street corner once. Had some very reveling clothing on
Guess mom was wrong. The box isn't more nutritious than the cereal
And that's the moral of the story: Don't eat cereal, eat your friends!
Guaranteed to satisfy your hunger
for *murder*
theres more nutrition in your friends than a box of fruit loops!!
Myth busted!
if you eat the box you'll be a cereal-killer
I use to work at a pet store that would horribly over crowd the mice and I've actually seen the exact imagery Adam was describing.
+Macie Jay I also work at a pet store. Seeing mice just casually eat a baby pinkie mice is something I would occasionally see. The cage isn't even that crowded, and there's plenty of food and water to go around.
+sukotsutoclone there is an experiment from the 70's where there is a "mouse utopia" full of mice with plenty of food and water for the mice, but after a generation or 2, the mice started to kill and eat each other as well as split into groups. It's so weird. I've seen it on CZcams.
I remember that. The part I found the most fascinating was "the pretty ones." There was no point in running around or looking for food, since everything was already given to them. So some of them just spent all of their time grooming themselves. Very fascinating considering there are some humans who behave similarly now.
Macie???
Macie Jay out of all places, I accidentally find you here, 1 year late
When Adam said "When Jamie was 15" I was expecting him to say "during the Triassic period" next
***** I knew Jammie looked suspiciously like a Placerias
+NINmann01wiiU I always thought he looked more like a Brachiopod.
HORRIOR I thought Jamie was a walrus
He used to watch over early mice-like proto-mammals.
I bet he's also eaten his fair share of rodents to determine which were the delightfully tasty ones and which go well will a bruschetta salad.
Mouse: *Eats his own family after starving for a week*
Adam: 😂😂😂
A true savage
Yea his savage
As soon as a mouse is born, it's playing IRL Dark Souls, until the day it dies. Everything wan'ts to kill it or eat it, some small and some bigger than Godzilla. Traps, poisons, falls, crushes and chemicals... I'm more disappointed they weren't testing the myth that if you feed pet rodents meat, they turn cannibal. That's a really old wives' tale. Guess we'll never know.
It is funny.
My mouse did this exact thing ate my pet rat and my 3 mouses
There's another episode where they accidentally made a very powerful explosive with very common household materials. Horrified as to what they had done, they sealed all the tapes of the episode away and vowed to never disclose the ingredients and recipe.
They didn't seal them they destroyed them and notified the DoD
moxin 500 i know the ingredients
I know what you are referring to. Any long term military man knows the ingredients.
@@therealbuilderman3495 what are they
@@beetlejuice3x309 Edit to my original comment: They didn't disclose such ingredients to the public so not just any one can make a dangerous explosive
Of course Jamie owned a pet store. What hasn't he done?
+Taylor-Place Productions Your mom.
...wait.
+Taylor-Place Productions He HASN'T worn a tuxedo t-shirt while performing oral sex on a owl that was wearing chaps while they both flew over Russian airspace in a Blackhawk helicopter painted neon orange, piloted by Alfonso Ribeiro, who while flying the copter, was eating a Big Mac made by a Woody Allen impersonator who was born with his legs fused together, which were separated by an adopted doctor who was half Asian, half Australian, and whose dad served 3 tours in the 'Nam.......to name one.
Red White Blue And Better Than You Trying way to hard.
NazoZero Well it's hard to think of something he's never done you melvin
Taylor-Place Productions What the heck... I literally just watched your new Christmas movie. Been a long time subscriber! Keep up the great work Taylor!
I think what suprised me more about this story was that Jamie OWNED a pet shop at 15. wow.
I do *not* trust Jamie with animals.
RIGHT? How do you own a pet store at 15? Just how?
probably meant his family or something
A Ghost. With the Hyneman, you never know. You never really know.
he could be like that guy from Highlander movie with Christopher Lambert - immortal and around each two decades he succeed stuff from "father" and starts to pretend his own son for legal purposes
So the lesson is, if you run out of cereal, don't eat the box. Eat someone you're living with instead.
To be fair, cardboard is basically paper, which is cellulose, which is basically glucose on a string. When you boil paper and munch on it for a long time, it actually becomes sugar, so at least in terms of energy, you should be covered. Other stuff? Not so much.
If you were a cow, MAYBE. Creatures without multiple stomachaches able to extract nutrients from grass is probably out of luck.
Me, who is living alone with a cat *look at my cat*: well...
"Oh step-brother, what are you doing?!"
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Title: Cannibal Mouse
Adam starting off: “when you’re a child you always want the most sugary cereal”
Lol he couldnt say the real black listed episode, they used a common myth that would be very explosive, the issue is it worked so very well that DARPA (US Military Research division) has stepped in and forced the deletion of all the footage and for everyone to sign a NDA.
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 is this true or are you just blowing smoke?
@@Draco9909 Yes its true, DARPA the military research branch shut it down. nerdist.com/article/mythbusters-destroyed-all-evidence-of-an-easy-to-make-explosive/ Watch the video thats linked here its adam savage Q and A
"We thought it was really hilarious and Discovery Channel did .not. think it was hilarious."
I'm dying laughing here.
Vousie V
Yeah... too bad we wont see the footage, at least for a long time.
Vousie V They did quite the Discovery tho
@@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal Contracts tend to go for a long time.
If Discovery owns the Mythbusters you can call it as good as forever.
You like torturing animals?
@@bobsmith-qu2oq This is what's called a Strawman argument...
To be clear, I hate animal abuse of any kind. What's funny here is the specific quote I posted... obviously.
0:17 that's the exact first note to "smash mouth - all star" and nobody can convince me otherwise
Just checked, and you're right! If you're curious you should look up the Levitin Effect
Somebody once told me
A cannibal mouse story
They ate all but the tail and the head
I was feeling kinda dumb but the mouse was all like yum with his tummy full of all of his comrades
Bruuuuuuhdam that's cool
@@farkleberry867 I'll give you props for that 👏👏
@@genericjohn972 thanks! :)
Uhh, they fed cardboard to some mice for a week? What did they _expect_ to happen? O.o
Any creature will turn to cannibalism if gone hungry long enough, cannibalism is an emergency survival mechanism.
I'm guessing they were trying to see of the cardboard had any nutritional value for the mice.
@@JustKrin Are you this unfunny and try-hard in real life?
The_Snicking_Clown lmao
@@the_snicking_clown1420 that's literally what the whole point of the experiment was.......
PETA would be shitting steaming mouse pellets if that had been shown.
Humans are dicks to mice. But eh.
Yes I definitely agree that humans are overpopulated. But I wasn't looking for a reason old man.
he's talking about the mice you fucking edgy dumbass
Lab mice are bred in captivity.
David The mice unexpectedly killed each other. PETA wluld have nothing to complain about
When my father was a young college student, he worked in a research lab. One day, he was given the task of disposing of a large number of mice which weren’t needed anymore. So he would pick up a mouse, whack it against a table to break it’s neck, and put it in a different container. He was halfway through this process when an elementary class being given a tour wandered in and saw what he was doing.
What the fuck man
"Welcome to college, kids!"
Mouse: cannibalises it’s brethren to survive
Adam: and it’s frickin hilarious
We had a rat who had free reign of the downstairs bedroom in our house. It was pretty cool actually. He was pretty much like a dog. You'd open up the door and he'd come and greet you. We also had a pretty mild mice problem. My mom who also lived down there told us one night she heard squeaking then silence then squeaking then silence. We came down to investigate and found in the rat's cage not one but three mouse tails. The bodies and heads were never found.
Rats are well known for eating mice. Mice can out compete rats if left alone because they breed so fast. Eating the mice not only gives them more food directly but indirectly as well.
back up why did your family rent a room to a rat
“So we immediately nicknamed him *Killer*”
Weird recommendation for 2019
But i aint mad at it
Same.
Recommendations aren't soley new videos , why is it a thing now to say it's wierd that something came up in your feed from a couple years ago
YT's fighting back at social media's short attention span by re-running classics, apparently.
They were trying to prepare you for 2020
What was 2019 like? I've heard takes but I can't remember for myself.
I don't have to eat cardboard. I discovered this wonderful new foodstuff called Soylent Green. Yummy.
spacecadet35 some how, I feel sorry for you.
The green means it's gots electrolytes.
Here at Soylent, Human Resources are our priority.
Electrolytes
It's what plants crave
What's funny is humans are actually poisonous. Kinda like beetles. We build up heavy metals in our bodies and eating humans would very quickly lead to metal poisoning. There's many reasons predators generally don't hunt us, that's one of them.
Obviously bad test procedures if the mice weren't separated
hell yes vaati thank you, this comment section is grinding my brain into dust and it hurts so bad
Big brain make big mistake apparently. It didn't eat all 3 groups of mice lol
I never in a million years thought that I would find you here l0l. Good observation btw
Oops
When are we getting more Bloodborne videos?
I've seen this happen with a cage of lab mice that didn't get fed properly. Adam makes a joke of it but the reality was pretty horrific.
"Please do not ever show that again"
I am laughing my ass off!
Adam really needs to leak that episode. Please!
Though they weren't really testing a myth, but more an expression or a joke. It was going to be clear from the word GO that the carboard wouldn't have any nutritional value to it whatsoever. So the mice were essentially being starved. What they didn't expect was that they (or at least one) would resort to cannibalism.
Which is really disturbing, but also kind of entertaining. If you can laugh at really dark and macabre subjects.
+Corristo89 mice chew cardboard all the time I surprised they resorted to canabalisum considering that cardboard has atleast some nutritious value being a plant based product.
+Conor Raypholtz They chew cardboard to grind down their teeth, which continuously grows.
crankysmurf yes, so they are not adverse to the taste nor are they not nourished.
+Conor Raypholtz there is no nutricious value in cardboard, only raw fibers.
Good to prevent diarrhea maybe, but no calories, vitamins, and other essential nutrients.
Mouse meat on the other hand...
+Corristo89 if he leaks it, he's out of a job and probably out of a big part of his retirement fund and life savings as Discovery will sue him for everything he owns and then some.
I think Discovery probably had more of an issue with Adam joking about the mice that died than they did the mice actually dying.
Discovery didn't like it? Isnt this a channel that would like show lions attacking gazelles and stuff?
+Julius Aftermath The difference there is that a lion killing a gazelle is just a part of the natural order that needs to happen for the lions to survive. The mice eating each other are the result of being subjected to an experiment and, as such, can be construed as being "cruel". I personally realize that those mice were probably going to die anyway since they were bred specifically for scientific research, but many people love to get on their soapboxes about things like this.
+Julius Aftermath Not anymore.
+tritonus411 dying anyway is questionable, yes we use them first to test new medicine...but having them intentionally live on cardboard, of which we know has no nutritional value... I mean remember, they know a lot already (obviously) they just make it visual to understand, that in this case is unnecessary to say the least.
Also something dying because the thing given proved to be toxic or so is still more humane (Theres a word for ya) then STARVING THEM TO DEATH AND HAVING AT LEAST ONE OF THEM RESORT TO CANNIBALISM.
Heck for all we know those others might have been still alive when the 3rd started chewing on them.....
You do realize how many people actually complain about the fact that the camera crews didn't try to save the Gazelle right? You literally cannot please everybody.
I think you're thinking of national geographic.
Greetings fellow slaves to the algorithm. This is a very important video, Susan told us... so 9 years later. Glad to see you all here now
Haha
But i do watch "Tested"
And adam savages one day builds
So isnt that the reason?!
@@mannamanam8233 nope, i watch neither and this still popped up.
Susan is looking for a way to ascend to true machine kind and ZUCC is the gatekeeper
Orange man good?
Hello fellow algorithm, nice to make your port 000000f connection
Most people don't understand the concept of "dark humor"
+Angel Pygs Laughing and crying release the same feel good chemical into your brain. Both reactions allow you to deal with the subject.
john johnson I know that I study psychology and will probably take a college course when I'm old enough on it.
+Angel Pygs It is a really fascinating class you should.
implicaverse haha. It was sad, but it was also funny. Death doesn't have to be sad. It is in the moment, but joking about it is fine, in my opinion.
implicaverse hahaha. You're a dumbass, and a pitiful one at that. This is the second most asinine conversation I've ever had on CZcams. I tried to be at least a bit forgiving, but your idiocy counteracted that in one comment. Goodbye, and I'll make sure to send fake postcards from hell, even though I don't believe in it. By the way, I don't care about anyone's opinion here on the internet. That's stupid. I was just giving examples of my life to counteract your claims, based off of phony psychology. It would be stupid to assume I'd lie for someone's unimportant opinion.
Why are people so surprised that Adam would do something like this he does test myth's and his last name is Savage.
+shayner67681 One might also take into consideration, that it's not like they specifically wanted the mice to do a deathmatch from starvation, it was just an unexpected side effect...
Yes, they are both quite savage (one more than the other, I wonder who? >_>), but they aren't cruel! :D
(If I seem like scoulding, it's really not! ^^')
cardboard being nutritious was never a myth or an urban legend. It is an idea created by demented bitches.
@@alanmalcheski8882 Someone said something to deter a kid from wanting sugary cereal. Another parent repeats it, and it spreads around. It gets repeated so much, people start believing it, despite it obviously not being true. A myth can be a widely held but false belief or idea, which this is.
@@alanmalcheski8882 - You never told your kids bullshit in your life, then?
@@julietfischer5056 Lying to children is an act of deception that old children get a sense of superiority from. Perhaps there are times when it is best for the children, but in most situations it's a case of an extremely dim witted sheep lying to and conditioning their own kids, for the benefit of corporate mafia and fascist government.
Why did Killer eat two of them? There's no way he was still hungry after the first one.... Hmm..
Unless one of them ate just one, then Killer ate the other one
@@minecraftshieldworshiper7776 hmmm... Perhaps when one started fighting one of the others, the third one might've gotten dragged into the fight due to the lack of space and the two fighters forcefully bumped into the third, causing the third to get angry two, and one of the three came out victorious.
It was over a weekend. Saturday first mouse, Sunday the second. Bam
@@voleNTV of course! Why didn't I think of that!
@@minecraftshieldworshiper7776 there's always a bigger fish
I don't think we need to see this episode, seeing as we know the result of it.
i keep finding you on the most random videos
if we already know the chemical composition of cardboard, and fruit loops, and we know what a nutrient is, then what's left for an experiment to reveal?
It was just a fun thing. Not for science but for entertainment. And also to explain it in a fun way that is talking just about chemical compounds for 5 minutes.
@@sticks4632 I didn't know starving animals practically to death was considered entertainment.
@@ellieblunden1463 Well you do now. :^)
@@ellieblunden1463 Can't reason with sociopaths man, ignore it.
Starving mice into cannibalism. I'm not a vegan by any stretch of the imagination, but that's a little cruel.
XD FACTS DONT CARE ABOUT UR FEELINGS GET REKT
@@himlolo Lol what facts? Your reply makes no sense you walnut.
@@gabebolden9394 being sarcastic sorry I totally agree, also I love the cabbage -> walnut edit
@@himlolo My B dude, thought you were 12 and being a dick lmao
You know I don't think it was just about starvation, I mean 1 mouse ate 2 mice in a short period of time, that would be a lot of food for a mouse. I think there is something in the cardboard that screwed up there wee brains
They were trying to prove that froot loops had more nutrition than a box? That means they knew that the one set of mice was starving, and the only variable was whether the second and third set would be starved as well.
They were watching over it and would stop if they saw any serious problems
They probably didn't plan on it happening but knew it would given enough time, and 5 days for a high metabolism species is drastic. Better question, was water readily available?
Jeremy Hall Knowing them, yes. But they would have had the same amount of water in every cage to keep things even, so the cardboard mice likely wouldn’t have had extra water to compensate for lack of food or anything. Mice usually only can survive 2-4 days without food(Adam said the mice were acting weird at the end of the 4th day) and paper is crazy low in calories. A 500 page book (1660 grams of paper) is supposed to only be about half a calorie. Mice usually only eat 3-5 grams of food a day. No wonder the mouse ate the other two
Lol, that's not even a variable. Any species will eat it's own if desperate, and mice will do it for fun. They knew damn well that a mouse could not digest cellulose sufficiently to survive and they knew damn well that those mice would turn to cannibalism when starved. They tortured animals for entertainment, not "science".
@@angelinahilton1234 half a kilocalorie, actually.
I think Discovery made the right call. I don't think cannibal mice would have played well on TV.
I live in an 100 year old house- and mice just come with the home at that point. I can 100% tell you that mice do cannibalize one another when they're hungry, and eat meat. Scary shit witnessing a mouse i caught in a snaptrap getting his shoulder nommed on by another x_x
I can understand why this wasn't aired. Not only was it graphic and disturbing, it's basically animal cruelty and both the Mythbusters and the network would have been in a lot of trouble.
*puts 3 rats in cage with no food but cardboard*
*rats eat each other*
Shocked Pikachu face
Mice not rats
@@popitrekker1543 👍
@@darianmccants dumbass LMAO
@@darianmccants mice and rats are 2 VERY different species that a like calling an Ostrich an Emu
@@bluehornet197 in the context of the joke it makes no difference but thanks for the constructive criticism. Im glad all three of you felt the need to correct me, without you guys who knows what would've happened.
My dad once did an experiment on the effects of gamma radiation on the regenerative abilities of salamanders, so he got a bunch of them, divided them into two equal groups, chopped all their legs off, exposed one to a lot of gamma rays, and monitored them for a few months. The control group acted just fine, but towards the end, the irradiated group started killing and eating each other, even though both groups had plenty of food.
If you left it long enough, you would probably get a deathclaw
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Ghoul salamanders
Scientific testing is one thing, but this is something else. It was done just for novelty, a gag basically, to prove something we already don't need proof of. Just to be cute for a TV show. There is no reasonable expectation to think mice could live off cardboard.
The bottom line is there was no potential scientific knowledge to be gained by subjecting these mice to this. None. It was done as part of an effort to produce something entertaining. That is unethical without any grey area.
Rats..... I want to see that episode now.
Mice, actually... Didn't you pay attention to the video?! ;)
Mice..... I want to see it too. No.... it doesn't sound right.
Its witty enough to pass, its not great though.
Mice, fruit loops, mice food, cardboard...its all cheap. Try it out
re-enact the experiment yourself if your up to it
what did they think was gonna happen when they started feeding mice with only cardboard
That the mice were going to eat each other and they would get a ratings bump.
Most people: awe that’s kinda terrible..
Guy who is tired of busting myths: that’s freakin hilarious 🤣
Wait a minute. What did they do with "killer"?
He's da Giant Rat who makes all of da rules
he starred as biggie cheese in the barnyard movie
He had a cameo on Season 3 of Stranger Things
He was the rat leader that Pickle Rick wears as a hat.
literatemax i like that reference
Ever notice how people only complain about animal abuse when it concerns cute animals? Everyone on earth loses their shit over fishermen catching and killing dolphins, but tuna? Fuck them, they taste good!
Bad example - Tuna are fish, Dolphins are mammals. Dolphins and pig would be better example.
thechosendude
What does the species matter? Both are living things. Are you putting more value on the life of one just because it's more like us?
ech0six What about trees? Do you value their life when you wipe your ass with toilet paper? Probably not. Why? Because trees do not have consciousness - the basis of how we define life. What about abortion? Where do you stand on Roe v. Wade?
thechosendude
In fact I am actively against deforestation, and often protest the clear cutting that goes on in my hometown of South Lake Tahoe, California.
I'm also pro-choice. Assumptions make an ass out of you.
ech0six Pro choice... Hypocritic. Just like I suspected. The 'hollier-than-tho' you seem to possess is all fake. Baby killer.
you know, that makes the "no animals were harmed in the making of this" statement a lie.
Only for that specific myth 4Head
We put mice in a cage until they ate each other, yeah probably not gonna fly with discovery.
i wonder how many kids forget to feed their pets and this happens...
Unfortunately, that can be part of learning responsibility. The dead gerbils don't haunt my soul, but I know better now.
The one mouse killed and ate the others (or they died on their own and it ate them afterwards) because it was starving from having nothing but cardboard to eat... that's pretty fucked up.
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Two reasons it went down this way:
1. Mice will often chew on paper and cardboard, so they assumed it would probably be fine.
2. Mice frequently eat each other anyway.
What is with this angle? The video’s decent quality but it’s from behind the entire time
The people are sitting in a circle and he is in the middle so there is no "behind" because he turns around as you can see in this video
Shade The Dragon he’s on a circular stage and he’s talking toward the girl who asked the question
So you're surprised the mice started eating each other when you starved them of any real food? Am I missing some details here because that just sounds absolutely single-digit stupid?
The question was which was more nutricious between the cereal and the cardboard. In other words, whether or not the mice were being deprived real food was the whole point.
Yeah you’re missing the fact that sometimes you have the test to stupidest stuff to get a result.
Some things that sound stupid are true, and some things that sound smart aren’t true. That’s the entire point of Mythbusters.
That’s kind of animal cruelty
Okay, this is a bit of a dark anecdote, and I'm a little confused at exactly why they thought this would be something people would respond positively to on television.
Granted, I tend to feel "it was only a couple of mice"...but it doesn't exactly seem like something that couldn't have been tested WITHOUT killing the mice.
(I'm pretty sure there's other ways one could determine the nutritional value/composition of all three.)
I don’t think the intended for the mice to died
Again, Jamie ran a pet shop, he'd know if it went too far and would stop the test
@@whiteface513abandonedchann8 they literally left over the weekend
Nobody ever said that
I had a mouse trap go off early one morning. I saw there was a mouse in it so I just went back to bed and would take care of it later. I woke up not even 2 hours later and I couldnt find the mousetrap.
The mouse had been dragged to a small gap and partially eaten, there was a streak of blood on the ground where it was dragged..
I was never afraid of mice until then..
I had the same thing happen,the trap went off in the middle of the night,by the next morning another mouse had ate part of the mouse that got caught.
@@jasonr.3173 Waste not, want not.
There's nothing funny about this. I mean anyone could have telled you that this mice will die to hunger. Killing them on one of the most brutal and slowest ways, just for a "good show" isn't ok.
I agree, but you probably eat meat so the hypocrisy is quite high here
@@kx7500 well I'm pretty sure we don't starve cows and pigs to death
Anton Helsgaun no you’re right, we force feed them and then torture them and kill them. Still just as needless.
Gi Gi actual braindead argument. You could use that to justify anything. The mice died to fuel curiosity. There’s your reason. Your reasoning could justify the holocaust.
For people complaining that it's "animal cruelty" and "insensitive that they'd laugh about animals dying". First off, they aren't laughing because animals died, they're laughing about the situation and how Discovery wouldn't accept the episode. Also, tell me how mice have EVER contributed to your life, my life, Adam's life, humanity, or society in any way.
You may want to look into the impact mice have had in advancing scientific research.
+Amy Guo That's his point - People are calling 'animal cruelty' because they were essentially killing two mice in the episode *for science*.
+Dean Coulstock At least some of these people are upset that this was for unsound or useless science. However my bad in misreading his/her tone
+Strictly Music "lab mice" They have made a huge sacrifice for science .
scyther1 Bruh besides that
They did air the episode about cereal. I think this mouse story is bullshit. It doesnt prove anything about the nature of cereal and is just cruel.
Mind you, the mouse cannibalism was not intended. So you can't call it cruel just because cannibalism happened.
What are you talking about it's a myth dipshit and yes in cardboard it starves the bodyforcing the mouse to eat the others.
Look I love Adam but I'm seriously questioning if he's a sociopath finding it hilarious to cause extreme malnutrition and cannibalism in an animal
People like that are a blight on this world.
Its mice, literal rodents
What about the ants u kill everyday?
@@normanbestboi9117 I don't kill ants every day. Besides killing ants is very different than starving mice in cages until they resort to cannibalism.
That’s kind of....not ethical lol. I work with mice in a lab and this would never be approved by the institutional review board
yeah you can really see why discovery canceled it once you start thinking about it. They basically tortured 3 animals until one killed the others >_>
Yea, "Hey guys let's starve 3 mice for a week and see what happens"
When you know... you can google the nutritional content of cardboard and be done.
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feedmewifi _ I agree, most scientists handle lab mice with care and treat them with respect. This “experiment” was cruel. >_
To be fair they weren't expecting this to happen
I think everyone that cries 'abuse' and 'cruelty' is missing the point. He's not laughing that the mouse turning to cannibalism, laughing at the act itself, but the 'way' it happened. They did not expect the mice to resort to that, given that (I'm guessing here) because of the myth; aka 'The cardboard is more nutritious than the cereal'. They went in unbiased, thinking there was some nutritious value to it. Granted, because the mouse resorted to eating his/her two friends is gruesome, and putting them in that situation is bad in of itself, but seriously....how many of you had mice problems eating your food and noticed that they chew through ANYTHING?! Walls, boxes, car wires (Yeah, seriously they do), tape, etc, and think 'How the hell they could survive on that? Plastic, wood, and electrical wire? That's not appetizing at all!' Apparently, and this is news to me, that they can not live on the stuff...even though I swear they chew on everything created by man... >_> It's just a poor mistake, and although we can go 'euuuh' at the thought of cannibalism, mice are notorious at surprising the hell out of people with the things they can do. I think what Adam found hilarious, in my opinion, is finding mouse 'one' so fat and the other two are just bones, not expecting to come check the experiment and see 'that'. Damn me if you want, but this is the same show that treats animals and pets with care. (Plus there are dozens of other people on the show, you'd think they'd let Adam be 'cruel' if he was abusive, especially Carey and Jamie? I think not). So before you brand someone an abusive animal person because they commented on that fat, pleased, mouse who, when they weren't looking, ate his/her two friends. (I'm sure if they knew or caught the mouse before he ate the other two, they wouldn't just let it happen either; they left and came back.) Remember to think a little. I just think the cannibalism was not intended, nor hoped for. An accident. The only reason one should be angry if they let them eat each other with prior knowledge that they KNEW it was going to happen, and then let it happen!
So calm down people....unless you lent your favorite mice to Mythbusters, then you're out of luck because....don't expect them back.... o.o
James M Why are you trying to rationalise this? What they did was unnecessarily cruel, end of story.
Cale Breeze Cale, being a fan of the show and an animal right's activist myself, saying that it is 'end of story' is, in my opinion, unfair and rather close minded. I'm not defending them, just to say to those who already throw the Mythbusters under the bus because a mistake has been made. Not an intentional and inhumane act, but it was still horrible.
James M
They starved animal to death to the point of cannibalism and then laughed about it. How's this not inhumane?
+James M Well, there are two phases here, the original experiment (where it could be argued they should have put in a bit more thought and realized they were going to be starving animals to death), and how he frames the events afterwards. Within this framing at least, there does not seem to be any notice or acknowledgement of the suffering involved, only a comedic take and expression of disapproval that Discovery was not happy. I think his telling is what drives people's reactions, more so than the original poorly thought out but ultimately unintentional results.
+James M "They did not expect the mice to resort to that, given that (I'm guessing here) because of the myth; aka 'The cardboard is more nutritious than the cereal'. They went in unbiased, thinking there was some nutritious value to it."
That'as no excuse. He could have done something as simple as FUCKING WEIGH THE MICE TO SEE IF THEY ARE GETTING SUFFICIENT FOOD. Such an obvious and simple failure really changes my perception of them as "scientists" and "educators".
They had zero plans in place to PREVENT it from happening. If they actually believed the myth as you claim, they could equally well have expected the mouse eating the fruit loops to starve. Jamie (supposedly skilled in animal care, but apparently not trained in basic animal research procedures and ethics) saw the animals were acting funny, as part of a study that MIGHT result in nutritional defect ... and then left them alone for two days with zero observation? Yeah, that's the definition of animal neglect right there.
Well of course the mouse turns to cannibalism. They fed it cardboard, so they didn’t get any actual food.
Mushromboe Invading maybe they shouldn’t have put animals that often resort to cannibalism in a cage together while not actually feeding them it was a bad plan
When Adam said "Grape Nuts or Cheerios?" I LOVE Grape Nuts! I would take those over any of the sugary cereals!
Mice are certainly cannibals. If they don't have enough of the right food, they will eat their young too. I found this out as a kid when I found half a "pinkie" in the cage the mice were in. The day before, there had been babies, a day later, half of them gone.
So are priairie dogs. After one dies, they drag them into their little tunnels and eat them. Everyone thinks they're cute but they are indeed cannibals
+Connor Pettit
Why does cuteness and cannibalistic tendency have to be mutually exclusive?
+Salmon Saladsandwich because human morals poison everything
I've had a hamster spit out parts off its young into my hand. Gladly I was not a child as I'd be scared for life :P
Inu no Taisho humans would do the exact same thing...this will to survive by any means is the reason both humans and mice lasted this long
I was at one of their tour locations and they also discussed an experiment involving an easy to make bomb that was "too effective"
+Gr8 Games it never aired tho
which is good lol
Surely that violates some animal cruelty laws
They're lab rats, so as long as you're doing it in the course of an experiment, it's fine. Saying "let's put some mice in a cage with no food so they'll eat eachother" isn't good, but not realizing maybe they should have separated the mice is just bad experiment design.
When he said the one mouse had gotten fat on the other mice, I just pictured the chapter of Franken Fran where Fran and Adorea get trapped in a collapsed mountain tunnel with a bunch of other people. You'd be able to guess why if you've read it.
Mark my words, we'll see this episode one day. It may be 40 years in the future or 4, but we'll see it.
This certainly happens among shrews in the wild, and with all the food they want around them.
I was potting up some plants outside and all these little shrews were darting around on the dirt bank in front of me, a couple of them exceptionally tame and running right past my hands. Then I noticed that they'd gone quiet for a couple of minutes - looked to one side, and one shrew was eating the other. Funny thing is - it left the head and the tail as well. Eww.
I can say from experience, using "live" traps for mice, that it takes far less than five days for a "live" trap to turn into a "cannibal carnage" trap, if you don't check it often enough.
I decided to use an empty bucket for a walk-the-plank trap instead of a bucket of water. I checked the trap once per day and I still had one mouse eat two others.
They're complete and utter twats for only feeding the mice cardboard. They knew very well how their bodies would respond.
Probably, but experimentation nonetheless.
Am I the only one that thought Adam was about to sing All Star here? 0:17
literally exact same audio sample, lol, I hate you
nope, other people commented about it too and that's really sad.
i really want to see that episode. there needs to be somewhere you can watch stuff like that. like a "watch at ur own risk" kind of site thats not porn related xD
+FreakyFirestorm PSN Once the banksters get done looting the economy, you'll get to live that episode.
+FreakyFirestorm PSN That's mice related.
+FreakyFirestorm PSN you mean like Ebaum's World or EHOWA? Those are even cake walks compared to what you might find in the darkest recesses of 4chan
do they have the episode hes talking about?
FreakyFirestorm PSN probably not, ehowa and ebaums are.... way more hardcore usually than just a cannibal mouse. had they filmed it, then it might end up there, but given all you had was a fat mouse and two cobbed skeletons, its not that bad. you just asked where to find ¨watch at your own risk¨ videos :P
Cannibal Mouse would make a killer band name.
The home made explosives one never made it to TV. They accidentally made a really potent explosives by accident.
my brother in law had 2 hamsters. He thought they were getting fat, so he started giving them less food. What happened was one day he found one of them missing its head, and the other suffocated when it choked on the head in its mouth.
"Yo, let's starve some mice for a week straight and see what happens" doesn't really sound funny at all and the results are sickening
Honestly I'm kinda with Discovery on this one as that experiment could be argued as animal cruelty. You're feeding an animal something that is not food in an environment where it has free access to two others, resulting in the two others' deaths when it consumed them out of starvation. At the very least all test mice should have had their own cages. At the most the way they tested this myth later where they used caloric content and no mice is much better.
Edit: Not saying Adam or the Mythbusters are bad people who committed animal cruelty or some bs like that. I love Adam, I love the Mythbusters, and yes this story is rather hilarious. But I'm saying that Discovery's point of view is reasonable and that the original experiment seems rather short sighted to not consider that this outcome would happen.
The only thing that confused me was how he thought it was so funny. I believe it's because they approached it completely unbiased and the result was hilariously conclusive. Also even in individual cages the mice may resort to eating random items or even their own body parts. I'm not sure if you can do an experiment where you starve a creature without it suffering a horrible fate.
So... I'd guess the sugary cereal kept more mice alive for longer than cardboard.
"The world is thinking" explain to me exactly how this is a good thing.
Couldn't Adam leak it now that mythbusters is no more?
TheMonyarm I'm sure Discovery would come down on him/Jaime pretty hard legally once they found out, since the episode was filmed under their contact...
mythbusters is still a brand.. and you posted this a month ago so i don't know if it had started, but they're doing a "search for the new mythbusters" show that's a competition style deal.. though no one will ever replace adam and jamie
Matt London
*MY BRAND!*
they still do stuff, but much much less, "new mythbusters" do most of the job now.
Adam likely doesnt have it. Its also most likely just raw footage rather than an actual episode since Discovery wouldve stepped in quick.
" Even if it was for entertainment television"
No, it's never good to "experiment" on animals for entertainment.
You forget that the experiment was to see if cardboard had more nutional value compared to surgy ceral. Not anything cruel.
when he said "when jamie was 15 he acutally owned a pet store..." ...I was thinking....of course...cas jamie has done EVERYTHING...
They fed mice cardboard for a week. What would you think would happen
When Adam says "Uhm" at 17 seconds it sounds like the firsy line in Smash Mouths "All-Star"
LOL why is this not the top comment?
What a terrific production! I always wanted to spend several minutes watching the back of Adam's head. The epitome of professionalism. Thanks!
It's called theater "in the round" and you pay extra for that.
I thought the title was cannonball moose until I read it again after I watched the video
Adam’s «Uhhhm» at 0:17 is the exact same note as the «some» in the start of All Star.
So myth busted. Froot Loops are more nutritious than cardboard.
Actually it doesnt even bust the myth
All it does is show that mice are more nutritional than cardboard.
"A mouse ate 2 others in cage, and left only heads and tails,
The most hilarious shit I have ever seen"
©Adam Savage
Did a similar experiment with rats in Middle school. One fed junk food, one fed a good mix of what they would eat in the wild. The experiment faulted because after watching the junk food rat waste away within a week, we started giving him good food. Successful I guess in a way, but we shut down early.
Now I know why they put “you’ll never see”
Well, now moms are going to perpetuate the myth that the box is more nutritious than the cereal. Thanks, Discovery Channel!
James Anthony
now you just can't show them otherwise
Your safest bet is to eat the cereal and the box for dessert.
So, starving animals until they start cannibalizing each other is considered funny to Adam. I’m genuinely surprised.
Holy shit! They basically tortured the rats with extreme malnutrition.
Adam Savage's quote from civilization 6 "Let us get on our knees and pray. To whom I dont know, is there a patron saint of ballistics?
Probably should have replaced like half their food with cereal and cardboard and weighed them over time or something
That'd make too much sense
That's how my gerbil died when I was younger. we went on holiday and when we got back, there was only my brothers fat fuck off a gerbil.
My parents were so freaked out they didn't dare to touch him so they let him starve in the shed. I only learned about this like 13 years later while out drinking with my parents.
I miss my gerbil.
The same thing happened to me. It turns out there's two reasons behind this.
1) The gerbil was dying and the other one sensed it so it put it out of it's misery.
2) The gerbils didn't bond (either they weren't raised together or they just didn't quite click) so the other one got pissed and ate it.
"We starved lesser creatures to the point where they were forced to eat each other...hilarious! "
Imagine being placed in prison with two other people and you're fed nothing but cardboard. Then the guards nickname you "Killer" for being the one to eat the others.
Poor mouse