2018-2019 Mustang GT - LUND RACING vs PALM BEACH DYNO - WHO’s THE BEST?
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smooth and quick on the shift, Lund wins! its def a more refined tune, palm beach seems to extend the power band to long, my vote goes Lund hands down
especially for an actual TRACK. which does not mean a fucking straight drag strip.
LUND IS THE BEST! THEY HOLD ALL THE RECORDS PERIOD!
@@Eroc556 welp not anymore for NA mustangs anymore. PBD has it rtn at a 9.1 . Will definitely get to 8’s in the lower temperatures.
@@Seynxx ummmmm no…… pbd has yet to push ANY Mustang that can come remotely close to LUNDS fastest and records……. Not to mention LUND doesn’t blow peoples motors up either….. its awful funny how pbd cars are all dropping like flies just like Stangmodes gt500….. LUND is on it and not only has better tuning but better drivability and longevity of the engine PERIOD!!!
@@Eroc556 actually PBD has the fastest NA mustang in the 9.s. Go to midnight performance Instagram and there is plenty of videos.
Alajandro Flores and Lund racing ftw!!! Good video guys
At 4:40 you see the wild Mustang catch the scent of nearby pedestrians. It attempts to re-direct itself in an attempt to run them down before being brought to heel by it's rider. The crisis is averted, for now.
Lund has tuned the quickest and fastest NA and boosted 2018-19 cars .. that’s all i have to say about that
That is fact
Awesome video! Lund definitely seems smoother. As far as power and acceleration...further testing is needed.
How about Steeda running 10:36 @ 131 MPH in their 2018 automatic NA Mustang GT---> WHOA!!!
Not biased here, but Stangmode was beating all kinds of cars with his 2018 NA GT. I think he was the one that made PBD a name on the web. Could be wrong, maybe they already had a name on the web. He was running 10’s. Good video’s too. Go take a look
After watching this video, I like how Lund tunes the A10 better. Makes me want to trade in my 16 GT
@@pike1346 let’s put it this way he is shooting for 8s and lund has a stock unopened coyote in the 7s midnight performance stangmode gets a lot of attention but lund is the best in the mustang world
@@johnbrown4568 think they ran a 9.9
Find a street and do some roll racing against each other. 20, 40, and 60mph rolls!
Digs
Rolls, schmolls! Go to the dragstrip! Racing on the street is for morons!
Gay
Marlon Medina well said
My son has a 2019 fbo tuned by Alex..we live in a small town in Minnesota 🙂 hes been destroying about 80% of what he lines up against ..probably more like 90% and it hangs with stock hellcats in roll races. Both are badass tuners!! Hats off to Alex for tuning a killer 5.0 out here in Minnesota. Great video guys! Keep em coming!
Running a VMP tune on my 2011 GT CJ setup and I feel it’s really solid and it also has that aggressive shift that happens at 7,500rpm. Haven’t been in a car tuned by anyone else because we don’t have a lot of Mustang people in town here. Good to see the comparison you’ve shown us! Both tuners are great!
Interesting video. Love the comparison and analysis. It's fascinating how the two cars feel so differently due to the tunes. Both cars are beautiful performance beasts!
Had Lund on my 18 as you felt very smooth loved the shift points shifting right at peak torque which is great
I wish yall wud have done a good ol 50roll in mexico against each other and see the results😎. Either way both cars are sick.
BICHO's tune FTW lol.
Tony M lmao!! Good one. Lund ftw
Jon Lund peesonally tuned my 5.0 and it was hands down better than any other tune i tried.
@Andrew V yup.
YES!!! LUND is best!
I can't wait to see you guys run at the strip! 💯
I personally loved this video. It answered a few questions I had. Especially about my track day.
Excellent content, please do more stuff like this! Tuner/Intake/etc comparisons on the dyno or preferably on a drag strip.
Go to Mexico and race...problem solved.
That car has a mind of its own. Luckily you guys were okay on the spin out. That could have been very bad.
Oh yes lol 😎
great video - this type of info was very helpful in helping me decide which tune for my Mustang given what I want/prefer. THX FA
LUND FTW!
Hopefully the other Alex does watch this video! I like the comparison and like how you allow us to decide which tune is better suited for us instead of telling us to go with one tune over the other.
That was the goal when we talked about it. Just be objective.
Exactly. Hopefully the Lund guys will see it
Hopefully Lund see's me say that I can't stand to watch Alex Flores because all he does is curse constantly and act like a 10 year old sugared up annoying kid, he doesn't rep them well at all. @@Zander13Productions
Duck dynasty needs to learn to drive lol.
That's some funny sheit.
Glad to see this, dude. I'm looking at starting mods this summer, and that's going to be with CAI and tune. Not sure I've ever seen a comparison like this.
Glad I can help. I honestly love my PBD tune
I bet the Trans will hold up better with Lund tuning
I have a 2017 auto and running GT350 mani and PBD tune. I blows my 305 pilot sports off in 2nd and 3rd! PBD does shift HARD!
Dyno both cars on dedicated e85 tunes same dyno, same day. Dragstrip will be interesting as well.
Great video!!! I thought you sh!t yourself there for a minute!
That is why I’m scared to let anyone drive the GT500 on street tires. It’s crazy violent and loves to kick out very quick.
I’m glad I don’t have to choose between those two tuners. It would be a hard decision for sure.
Yeah his car reacted differently than mine does.
Jeremy Winslow wasn’t your fault you just didn’t expect it to do what it did since you were used to yours. I know how that is.
Goodyear F1 life Ken lol
Lorne Mann 😂😂😂 if you roll in real easy you may be ok lol.
My last video I got into it a little but I was on my drag setup 😎
im very surprised it kicked out at all. in my roush stage 3 it wont kick lack that even in track mode. very tame and able to manipulate the car. I would say its a tire or driver error.
Correction. Ken Bjonnes is who sold Lund his SCT Pro racer package. Palm beach as a company has been around less than Lund Racing. But Ken, has been around a lot longer than Lund tuning wise.
Jay Rubin THIS. Ken tuned my 2v mustang in 2005 when he was running Modular Depot!!
LUND seems to put less strain on the machine while maintaining excellent output.
I got to say
1. Jesus christ I wish I lived close so Mrs Zander could put headers on my car....;)
2. Seriously I really like this entire series of videos and the tune comparisons, carried over to the dyno and then track...I very very very much like the comparison in stages that end up at track format.....
Good idea
Monday video of dyno should turn some heads too. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
He almost owed you a 10 sec car Lmao 😂 Great content Zander
I love seeing those beautiful red beasts !!
Looking forward to the next video in this series.
Monday 💪😎
Both of them are great tuners. Just always figure out what direction your going to choose on your build especially if you start tuning na then want to go boost. I say this due to having to buy a new tune after boosting my car. So talk to the tuning company about your plans to verify they will tune it!!!!!!
Really comes down to personal preference.
Im thinking about switching from PBD to Lund because of the transmission shifts and the higher RPM from PBD.
Great vidod, enjoyed it. I ll be watching more from DYNO etc. Good stuff..
Dyno video Monday
Good video the look on the guys face when he lost it was WTF funny, glad he kept it together. I think give me smoooooth over the head banger once again good video.
😎💪💪💪💪
I would like to add that: How much damage is being done to the transmission overtime? Would like to know how many runs do you get? What is the cost difference between the 2 tunes?
Keep the Lund vs PBD videos coming PLEASE!!!
Love this comparison video. I love watching Alex’s channel. I can’t wait to see the race and dyno vids. Holla.
Dyno video coming Monday. It might surprise you
Wow...you responded quickly. Lol. I follow a lot of car CZcams channels and I really appreciate the ones who take the time to reply. You, StangMode, and Speed Addict 731 do a great job responding. I know it’s hard for you to respond to all post, but it’s cool for the fans to get a response every now and then. I’m looking forward to what you have in store for Monday. Holla.
Thanks. I strive to be as fast as possible. After all. It’s the fans that make all this possible 💪💪💪🙏🙏🙏
All of you DO understand that Ken owner of pbd worked for Lund as Lunds main tuner for years before opening pbd.
You also should know Ken was instrumental in getting yolo down to Florida / Power by the hour way back when. Line pressure is lower is why the shifts feel different...
Great vid! Some footage of the outside of the car as well would be nice in the future.
Yes.
Getting my 10 speed mustang in a few months! Lund racing will be the first I go to and will be starting my CZcams channel
Both are good tuners, but I have noticed PBD seems to have more blown up cars than lund with less clients
Great intro Zander13!
Thanks brother
Drag mode always punches into the next gear, its a nice chirp on a prepped surface but straight spinning on the street,..Drag mode, TC & AdvanceTrac off is a recipe for disaster on the street surface...
Does the aggressive shifting mean more strain on the transmission...? Especially for the A10s?
I have a PBD dyno tune but I had them lower my shift point to 7500 and also turn the shift pressure down to more like stock. Without turning down the shift pressure all modes felt like drag mode. These cars are hard to tune they have so many modes and variants, but you can get it tuned how you like by either tuner I think.
I'm tuned by Lund it run 11.30 with stock wheels on M/t ss tire
@Trevor Berkheiser Mine were changed about 6 months ago to be less firm, not recently. The shift points were adjusted recently for me but I still use paddles most of the time anyway because I like paddle mode.
Did you run faster times with a lower redline at 7500?
@@Zander13Productions havent tested it yet with a timer, but I think it feels better. I think with a dyno graph you can calculate the perfect shift point for any setup but I havent had mine dynoed. I do think its around 7500 judging by dynos with our mods though. With a SC optimum shift point goes up.
That’s just it, a good tuner can adjust for the customer’s goals or wants.
Zander great content bro.
Thanks 💪
I almost peed myself on that 360. 😂🤣
Nice video man. Wanted to do this for awhile. Glad you didn't crash! Lol
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If you're doing a head to head then Zander needs about 150lbs of ballast - don't forget!
Would like to see you find a VMP car with the same mods and compare their tune.
Great video
my ear dyno loves the way that lund tune sounds and acts...revs and shifts like tq converted dragster should.
Great video. Can they add drag mode on a car that doesn’t have it ?
Damn Zander13 @0:16 your buddy scare the shit out of me bro lol 😂😂 😂😂 😂
that low gear shift definitely had a pause in it, not sure i would call it a stutter but you can hear a difference. not sure who's is better. i don't have either right now and i want a tune so bad.....time will tell but i am leaning towards lund right now.
U may be able to get either tuner to tweak the shifts for smooth or hard gear changes
Yes exactly
Lund=street Palm beach tuning=track IMO. I just installed stainless power catless headers along with a Lund racing tune ( also have full exhaust and a pmas 120mm) and I can FULLY agree that the shifts are very smooth when in drive. Which is a great advantage for me since Im using my stang as a daily for now. I can also definitely agree that PB is nasty and combines great with supercharged/whippled stangs. Both tuners are great to have at the end of the day.
I love PBD
When you do 3 360's on the interstate and it stalls sideways with on coming traffic.... Text me!!! Lost a few yrs on my life that day I'm sure. Just so you guys know I didn't wreck or get hit. So lucky!!!! Keep up these videos Zander13
Hey zander do you have the hptuners transbrake in yours installed by PBdyno?
Be careful with those hard aggressive shifts, my mustang had that and it caused a lot of traction issues under full throttle. As far as the transmission and all that goes it was fine and healthy but my car did not like that it always broke loose
Lund shifts sound way faster, the PBD tune sounded almost like a 6R80 shifting lol
Oakley Gascan sunglasses are in the glovebox of all mustangs after 2000 😂
I’m currently running a Lund 91-93 tune and I have the MT-82.
Ironhead704...The tune is great. Installed it with the Ngauge with ease, emailed data log back to Lund, tune came back spot on. No revision needed.
It’s not to say which tune is better, but the differences. Scary moment you two had right there. He did stay in it too long.
Go somewhere and line up side by side and find out which is better/faster! Very Easy! 😄
It studdard because hes in dragstrip mode and the advance trac is active and when the tires break the car short shifts. If you had it in track mode the advance trac is off and it hammers at 78k every shift. Just sayn. Use the trans brake.
I dynoed both tunes back to back on my 2015 GT with whipple and the PB dyno tune made 40whp more. I compared Lund’s datalogs to even Whipple’s tune and he is extremely conservative.
PBD FTW!💪
Hey Zander, maybe I missed but I heard your buddy saying that the started in race+ mode, so your car does the aggressive shifting in all different driving modes?
also, I am installing Corsa headers on my car today and I have BAMA tune, but I am definitely looking to change tuner. This video is perfect because I was considering both companies and VMP to tune my car....
For me it reduces to three main factors, better drivability, most horsepower, and reliability!!!!!
You feel it in every mode, it gets more pronounced in track and drag.
I really like the burgundy with black trim on Jeremy's car, although Carnage's red and black scheme also looks great.
Ruby red is not burgundy royal crimson is lol
The thing to keep in mind and its car dependent, for quicker et's you want to just about run out of gear rolling into the traps.
I have palm beach Dyno on my 2019 Mustang GT. I have to say it's on point. I'm fixing to get a Whipple 3.0 lv3 from Palm Beach Dyno in the near future. Only have JLT, Palm Tune, Armytrix Exhaust, so far. And it's incredibly aggressive. Can't wait to see it with supercharger. Or I might go turbocharger. Lean more to that Whipple 3.0.
I do have my car in my channel.
Thanks for sharing.
What did u end up getting and how was it?
@@sawedoff1722 I went a totally different route with the car. Ended up sending it to Shelby and turn it into a Super Snake. Now just sits in the garage. 😩
That previous comment 3 years ago they both are good tuners. It was tune for E85 and 93. And it is still tune for it.
@@7DiceGaming oh damn 😂 yeah m8 I’m just a 18 year old kid with a budget just got a 2019 10 speed and I wanna know what’s the best thing to do first. Like if it’s a e85 tune a intake, exhausts, etc. I’m trying to make something for roll races
@@sawedoff1722 first thing cold air intake and tune. E85 and 93. You will see major differences. There is a video some where on CZcams of a guy taking a stock GT then adds a tune and JLT cold air. Just thoes 2 things and out runs a Roush with a Supercharger. It was crazy.
@@7DiceGaming nvm completely ignore what I just said if u saw that I read ur comment too fast. I’m not too familiar with modding and stuff tho as this is my first car and first one to mod. Will I need a tuning device that I purchase online to make this work if so what do I do cause I’m not quite sure how it works.
To even go up against Lund is a huge Accomplishment
I am worried that brutal shifting may be too hard on the drive train and cause damage down the road. I had a 2013 and 2104 that were stock except for canned tunes(93 pump gas) and they would dead hook on DRs but had that lag at the top and then shift so hard that they squealed 2nd and chirped 3rd on a fully prepped track. They shifted just like Zanders. But w/o the tune just like the Ruby red Mustang. It worried me so much that I might break something I removed the tunes and just lived with a slower car. Your cars have an aluminum differential housing and I would at least change that unless you already have. People are breaking the ears off it with slower cars than both of yours..
You should race each other dig/roll to see who’s faster!
Anyway years ago I had a reputable mustang tuner get salty when he found out I tried another tuning company just to see the difference. Dude was nuts! The douchebag immediately cut me off from his tuning services. He also contacted my new tuner (he knew them personally apparently) and made up lies about me to them, they dropped me too.
Btw I picked up two 10ths in my 2014 auto gt from just a transmission tune no engine tune. Loaded the tune at the track to see the difference.
I prefer to feel the hard shifts over the smooth shifts, much more satisfying feeling.
Holy shit that was a close one! My 16 is Lund tuned by Alex and my 6r80 shifts hard as hell. It always breaks loose in 2nd. Funny that he tuned the 10r80 to shift smooth. I need to have him revise mine to shift less aggressive! I'm requesting that when I get my longtubes on.
Can you do that? My 6r80 shifts hard, more so 3rd gear makes the whole car jolt upwards and slam you back in the seat. I like it though.my first gear shifts right below redline though. I want it higher
From what I’ve seen Lund is better, a local guy here in SoCal has beaten every PBD and VMP 3rd gen coyote, he even has less bolt ons, he especially pulls them up top, something Lund seems to be better at than everyone else, less timing seems to be his trick. I could already tell the Lund car in this video is a lot more consistent, shifts on point, nothing too crazy, just making good power.
Alfred Hernandez What’s up brotha. Lot of guys sending me this video. Great video. Lund/PBD are both top dogs, I’ve only tried Lund I got the tune/nguage on Labor Day special. Yes simple seems to be better potentially especially on the big end. I need long tubes badly I hear that daily lol
Matt_7sixty Gt haha right on man, I had a feeling this video would catch your attention. Your car runs great, no doubt about it.
Matt_7sixty Gt #SEAFOAM with the GAP LMFAOOOOO
Did Lund do a transmission tune on the car?
What’s the suspension mods in your friends car? You have suspension mods that may affect the way you feel the shifts.l
All the same except he has ford performance magnaride springs and I have BMR magnaride springs
Great video scary for a minute but great
Almost another trip to the body shop. I'm glad it ended well.
Me too 😳
How much timing do they have added to your cars ??? It has to be timing added that’s what’s throwing you back every shift
I don't know off hand. mine has some spark cut left in between shifts, which is a good thing
What about the gearing between the 2 cars? That would make more of a difference than the tune.. imo
Both are 3.55
Are you using the Osmo? I love ours.
No. iPhone lol
@@Zander13Productions lol
@@Zander13Productions Do me a favor and send me a private message on Instagram I need the Media contact phone number for American Muscle?
So did PBd pull back rpms some , I want a pbd but will request 7500 to 7600 max rpms ,hopefully they are already doing this . If anyone knows let me know something
The shift hesitation on the pb tune is an issue.
And you can hear it.. Never noticed it until he drove the Lund tuned car..
its a 1-3 not a 1-2 is why
Noiz traction control was probably on and it shifted into the wrong gear...
“Faster” car comparison like this will be won by driver mod unless the same person drives both cars and is unbiassed. One of my cars has been tuned by both and the difference was 1-2 hp/tq with same times at the track. Good comparison tho.
There is a reason why people crash these cars ,the reaer struts, suspension set up etc. Sucks for the base 5.0's and also adding on top that the tires are too skinny in the rear and they dont catch on.
11.15 @ 124 on Torrie's Unleashed Tuning, and that's without the new QA1 cf driveshaft installed yet. E85 on a Base '18 GT JLT cai, Pype's catless lt's, h pipe, MBRP axle back muffler delete, A10, RTR wheels 305 Nitto 05R's. Do a price comparison, Torrie will give you the choice of any 2 tunes you want just for buying the SCT BDX, I chose the E85 and 93 tunes. Also, Unleashed will data log all your tunes for free, as long as you want, with no time limit (neither Lund or PBD offer that, plus you pay for to get their flex fuel tunes, a lot more) I've heard issues with both Lund and PBD as far as people not liking the hesitation and the harsh/or lack of harsh shifts. I'll stick with my tuner, he really is the best. I expect to see high 10's after the new driveshaft WITHOUT pulling any weight off the car (meaning all seats intact). And for the record, Alex Flores acts like a sugared up 10 year old in his videos, so who cares what he thinks...
11.1 is fast for your mods on Nitto tires 💪💪💪💪💪💪
It took some dialing in. Best time was at 22 psi. Comparing my tune to your video results, my A10 shifts like the Lund tune when out of the throttle, very smooth, but turns into Mr. Hyde when you mash the throttle and rocks the car when it shifts like your PBD tune does. If I were closer, I'd offer to do a 3 way comparison of tuners, because I know mine compares in all performance aspects, and beats both Lund and PBD on price.
@@Zander13Productions
No two cars are the same. For a true comparison, you have to do the 2 tunes on the same car to see if there is a real difference. Love the video.
Great point!
Some of your better content Alex.
Thanks. Big video coming Monday too
Love my palm Beach dyno tune !!
Me too
LUND is way better! They hold ALL the records period…….
@@Eroc556 Lund is a great tuner. Nothing against them . It's all about your choice but I love my Palm Beach dyno tune. Period
I think I just shit my pants!!!! IRS loves to come around quickly.....your honest reactions were hilarious. Thankfully no accident.
Is IRS any more likely to come around then a solid rear?
Lund tunes cost , ? Remote tunes prices?
I would prefer Lund transmission schedule over PBD tune.
Why so. Just curious
After watching the video, your car has a much more aggressive shift schedule in track mode, which reminds me of my Turbo 400 with shift kit, I'm not saying that's bad. The Lunds transmission schedule has been dialed in and more refined between shifts, they have done there research and development, I'm not stating PBD does not do that but, from the video, that's what I've noticed. Your car is set to kill mode.
My car only does the lagy shifts when advanced track isn't off
Me too! The Lund tune just sounds Right in ALL the Right Places! Smooth shifts means less stress, and Right at the end of the power curve! Staying in the throttle for a little more HP isn't what gets you down the track fastest. TORQUE gets you down the track fastest. If I were to bet on which car would win, all other things being the same, I'd put my money on the Lund. Your buddy will have to lose a few pounds before All other things could be the same. Zander could leave his back seat in to equalize the weight, and help his rear-end HOOK. While you're friend can take his back seats out, even though he'll lose a little of the weight transfer effect. Then, All things might be considered the same. I suggest weighing each of your cars at the CAT Scale with each driver standing on the platform. Compare your weights, and make necessary adjustments to make All other things be the same. Then Race Em, and may the best tune WIN!
If after your buddy takes out his back seats he finds himself a little lighter than you, he can add a couple of bags of rocks strategically placed in the trunk just in front of the taillights to improve his weight transfer. Remember that Cat Scales are accurate, but they can only be accurate to within 20 pound increments.
Did you guys end up dynoing both cars? Just curious of the hp difference.
We did a video about it
Well, let's forget everything and listen to both cars when they shift. I'll go for Lund. Now the next step drag strip and we will see the results. Again I'll go for Lund all day.
A lot of the shifting I think is in how or when the 10r80 was built. Our 17 raptor shifting way harder then our 18 raptor all stock both trucks. My 18 mustang seemed to shift way harder then any other 18 I ever road in an it was stock. I know the tunes can firm things up a lot but the extreme differences in stock 10r80s is crazy.
Yea Edelbrock on Stage 1 doesn't touch trans, and my hesitates before shifts from day 1....just like Zanders lately it shifts lower and lower rpm in drag mode didnt yours do that Underfed?
Question here to give Zander the traffic
Supposed to be an intuitive transmission. Learns your driving style. Mustangs like all performance cars are hard to drive any one way for the trans to learn. There is a way to reset the trans and start over so to speak. Mine was shifting extremely hard when new. It has smoothed out amazingly. Research the reset. Won't hurt..might help. I didn't see it was underfed...You probably know this already....the
BlueCollarDaily the 17 raptor was horrible shifting up an down. Sometimes on the downshifts the ass end would lock up an slid. The 18 raptor is great in Baja mode it’s very firm an crisp shifts but in eco bitch mode it’s smooth an nice. My wife hates when I drive it I always use sport mode an it’s fun. But the 17 even in eco mode it was always looking for gears an shifting really hard. I believe the 17 had a recall an they were suppose to fix the valve body’s. But we didn’t own the 17 long enough for the recall to activate. But my 18 GT before the trans burned up the second gear hit was so hard in drag mode would knock my cameras off the windows when I had drag radials on it. After they rebuilt the trans I didn’t even get to drive it to see if the rebuild made any differences. I wonder now if the new valve body would of helped that 1-2 shift hit.
@@thereissomecoolstuff mine was same when when brand new I got some jerks downshifting easing up to stop signs ect and it would hold the higher gear to long going to lower on decel...and slam me in the seat in drag mode...now its WAY weaker shifting in drag mode stiff firm but not knock your socks off firm...and to me other than normal mode it seemed to relearn when I put the supercharger on it over time....
I need to research resetting it when I go to stage 2
@@bluecollardaily2676 pretty much the same here. I think you just need to disconnect the battery. Allison trans you used to repeatedly go 60 mph and drop the trans into low..it wouldn't do it due to the computer but it would reset.
I thought the name "Carnage" had nothing to do with this cars luck but after this video I'm a believer that you need to change the name.
The Curse