XL update - beta test news, hardware changes and shipping schedule
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2023
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My testimony to Prusa is this. Ordered my printer as a kit. Followed the instructions, ate the gummi bears, and when I turned printer on it worked the very first time. So if it takes a little more time I'm still in on the XL.
Nice profile pic
It is very hard to leave the Gummi Bears until you have reached the designated steps, however…
@craigpuetz7020 Yes, i agree, Prusa could be a little more forgiving and generous with Gummi application. I'm sure there is substantial data to support this.
Can't wait to see benchmark comparisons with the XL and other coreXY printers!
Thanks for the update and for being transparent on how things are progressing. I am also glad that we will be receiving a much more mature product than what was specified when the pre-order started. Even though I need this printer in my printing shop as soon as possible, I would rather wait a couple months longer for a machine in Prusa-Quality that I can reliably use as my new work horse.
Awesome! Love the V6 nozzle compatibility.
Will there be the option to purchase additional toolheads at a later point?
Yes, you can upgrade. However, above two toolheads you need another controller board, which is more expensive than just the toolhead.
If I remember correctly there will be but I believe it will require some extra electronics or hardware if you ordered the single head originally. If you have ordered at least two heads I think it already includes the extras. I’ve slept since hearing this so it may need double checking 😅.
I have a feeling that you have one of the beta units and you are testing 😉.
Can’t wait to see your review, because you are one of the trusted viewers .
@@baderalafghani4564 I actually don't have one but need to evaluate if I change my current order with just one head to a multi head version but get it way later this way 😅
@@CNCKitchen my advise is go for one tool head now and add more tools later if you find your self happy with its performance.
So glad to see you are shipping with a .6 nozzle! I'd even be happy with a .8 option.
Really looking forward to this printer. :)
V6 hotends are limited to a realistic flow rate of 12mm3/s. With a 0.6mm nozzle and a 0.24mm layer height, your max print speed is less than 85mm/s. I think I prefer a 0.4mm nozzle which can print at max 125mm/s and you can also make it print at 0.6mm widths.
I just pre-ordered 3 BambuLab X1 Carbons.
Not looking back until Prusa is coming up with something new, innovative, affordable and actually useful.
Glad to see some of the issues resolved! Excited to see these in the wild, Loved seeing the demo version at ERRF.
One of my favorite companies. I can't wait to have the space to buy an XL.
Yes to the 0.6mm standard nozzle! Makes perfect sense for this (and most) machine. Looking forward to optimized profiles for 0.6mm
V6 hotends are limited to a realistic flow rate of 12mm3/s. With a 0.6mm nozzle and a 0.24mm layer height, your max print speed is less than 85mm/s. I think I prefer a 0.4mm nozzle which can print at max 125mm/s and you can also make it print at 0.6mm widths.
@@alejandroperez5368 smaller nozzle, bigger flow? that seems to defy physics!
@@GabrielAlejandroZorrilla He is totally correct since he said speed, not flow.
Great update, Prusa's transparency is one of my favorite things about the company!
What transparancy?! There are still no real technical data for the XL. The Video is 6 weeks late and they didn't even gave a Note about that. And there are more examples. They give us only small pieces of information ...
The only thing transparent is Team Voron. Other than that, companies always have to hide something out of their competitors
I love the XL, and I see it becoming the new standard of the high-end print farms due to reliability and time/material savings due to the tool changer. Unfortunately I won't be able to afford it but I really appreciate your work and dedication, especially in the testing process. Going for the open approach is always 100 times harder, but it's what gave joy and drive to this field in the most difficult moments. I remember when i saw the factory tour video from the 3d Printing Nerd. That's the day when i stopped solely respecting you and started admiring you (HUGELY). Keep up the great work 🖤
Thanks for this update!!! Looking forward to getting mine!
Thank you for the update! The transparency is much apretieated. Please keep the info coning
This is important Jo. Good, humble relaying of the current situation.
Looking awesome, and a very clean design! Very enjoyable watching this machine in action.
How honest prusa is shows these people really like what they do. Along with spending much time they put into there machines is inspiring. I really like seeing a group of people caring for there customers and people with similar intersect. Plus watching Mr prusa talk about his printers is cool, it’s like wow a homie who cares.
Thanks for the update, transparency is great. Looks like I have to build another voron or two to bridge the time till the XL comes :)
Nice can't wait to see some of the testers prints in multimaterial 👍
Meh its not gonna way up against bambulab's x1. Its cheaper, proven, and not surrounded by weird money reservation to ordering schemes where they only give you a estimated shipping time..so they can raise some money. come on this is prusa, how can they not have everything sorted out ? Starting to see smoke, they cant keep up and it start looking the enter the road of excuses and promises. They where always overpriced printers for fanboys... Seems they go under like that
Thank you for the update! Keep improving that XL!
thank you for the update. Looking forward to more info when the time is right 🙃
Thank you for the update. Take your time please.
Thank you for the update and transparency on that! Great move!
Awesome news. Love the transparency.
way to go! looking forward to seeing the reviews!
Excellent update… we needed that!!
Thanks. The competition is strong, I hope the final product will be good enough!
Prusa is at least 3 years too late.
🎉 thanks for this update!! From Australia
The Prusa XL looks amazing. If I find myself with extra cash this year or next I will definitely look into getting one.
I wait as long as takes, because I know it is from you and you do it much better, than other Companies.😁
A video update like is very cool. It makes more human the waiting. Thank you.
Oh man keep going. This thing looks great. ❤
Cool stuff, Jo! One of these days I'm going to talk my office into getting one of these beauties.
Thank you for the update. We can't wait!
Transparency and honesty! The spirit of RepRap is still alive, baby! 🧡🤘
Loving this update! The delays are a bummer, but seeing these changes is pretty amazing! So glad to see the V6 nozzle compatibility. And I have to agree about the 0.6mm With the size of this machine, the larger nozzle will make printing faster, easier. Thanks again for the update!
Except it's a V6 hotend limited at 12mm3/s. Printing at 0.24mm layer height, you'd be limited to an 85mm/s max print speed.
@@alejandroperez5368 A v6 with a stock nozzle does well up until 15mm/s. But let's be real, if you want thicc layers, you are getting a CHT style nozzle and using that. But you can do the same thing Bambu and others do, just increase print temps.
It's amazing to get such an honest and transparent update
I actually run a .6mm Nozzle on my printer for years and I don't miss anything. I had the feeling though, that your Prusa Slicer Profiles for the Mk3s with 0.6 where not as well set up as the standard 0.4mm profiles (wich of cause makes sense). Because of this I never swapped permanently on the Prusa.
I switched to 0.6mm since Arachne. I feel I have lost some precision when printing very small parts. But I think I'll start making those from resin, and optimise my Prusa i3 for larger objects.
@@andybrice2711 0.6mm nozzles are not that great on V6 hotends with a maximum flow rate of 12mm3/s. That means a top speed of 85mm/s when printing at 0.24mm layer heights.
I moved my Mk2.5s up to 0.6mm nozzle by default about a year and a half ago, the Aracne changes in PrusaSlicer have basically meant I've stopped swapping back to the 0.4 when I need moderately fine detail. But they're still no replacement for a 0.25 when you really need fine detail on a small part. I look forward to some day being able to use both a 0.6 (or maybe 0.8 or 1.0?) and a 0.25 in the tool changer on a single print... lay down a layer of big fat infill and rough outlines with a big chonky nozzle, then sculpt around it with a few layers of fine detail with the 0.25.... 🤤
Also super happy to hear that you're looking at a solution for putting a standard v6 nozzle on the new heat break system!
Thanks for the update!
I built the MK2 kit. I built the MK3S+ kit. I loved their attention to detail and support, so it hurts to state the obvious.
In late April, I put an XL in the Prusa shopping cart and Prusa says this $1999+ semi-assembled new order will be processed at the END OF 2023.
I put a BBL X1C w/AMS in their shopping cart and, with tax and shipping, the cost of this IN STOCK printer is $1,606.43.
I guess those with XL orders must not really need them anytime soon. I would love to get the XL but ...
Prusa definitely seems to have a problem scaling up production.
BTW, the Prusa website won't allow me to remove the XL from their cart!
Definitely like that it will be shipping with a 0.6mm nozzle.
I will say I preordered a 5 tool head, but after printing with my Bambu printers for a month. The cost may be better served going into 5 more P1Ps.
I would love to own a Prusa, but I may wait to see how the first couple batches go and then get a 2 or 3 toolhead. As I print with simple PLA filament, the Bambu printers work just fine for my needs of quickly changing colors for my Etsy orders.
But it would be really fun to print with multiple types of filament with the different tool heads. PETG, PLA, TPU all on one seamless print. But for that I'd only need 3 tool heads.
Keep on pushing the rock up the hill. I think it is going to be worth the wait!
thank you for the update sir.
They look amazing!
Hey Thanks so much The main reason I go with prusa is they do there diligence I'd much rather wait on a solid product then to jump on something that still has a lot of issues. Thanks Josef
thanks for the update, not the timeline i wanted to hear but appreciate the transparency and commitment to continuous improvements.
About the steel sheet - have you considered to make cutouts to reduce heat trasfer or adding plastic handles to isolate it? As a bonus, it would allow handling of the hot sheet.
Thanks for the update Josef, looking forward to the e-mail! A question about the modular heatbed though, you mentioned in the video that the earlier model of sheet acted as a heatsink which caused the bed heating to overwork. Isn’t that a problem when only a small part of the bed is heated for smaller prints?
It is a challenge and the neighbor tiles need to be heated as well to some extent. The heating cannot stop abruptly, but with a gradient.
I'm looking forward to owning one of these.
What if we want to keep our order as a single tool, and get a multi-tool upgrade (either 2 or 5) to add later? Will the upgrade kits be available at the same time as the multi-tool printers?
hi thank you for properly testing we all understand how hard it is to have an tested product out of the door, . my question is how hard would it be to buy first an 1 Tool option gets your feet wet and later upgrade to multi tool ?
Thank you for the hardwired Ethernet port!
I have been using the 0.6 nozzle on my 3S+ for a long time now and love it, looking forward to the XL, I use ASA and ASA Carbon as well as PETG, have no use for the PLA because it just isn't high enough temperature, also really need to print with Nylon and PC, the XL size is important and the sooner this machine has an enclosure the better, absolutely love Prusa products and looking forward to the tool changer capabilities.
for the sheet metal sides all it would take to stop resonating is a small piece of Noico Sound deadening mat or similar. Audio buffs have been using it in cars for a long time.
Looking good!
We can hardly wait when it is finally with us. We have already ordered December 2021.
Nice to see the boss man getting hes hands dirty lol
nice review. and i still love your galaxy black Joseph
One comment on the panels resonance. Very good point to check that and correct it..perhaps if it helps, if the xl has accelerometers build in, might be also used to detect wear over time...perhaps the best indicator are the prints themselves, however if some part is creating unexpected higher response could detected for trouble shoting and parts replacement. Asuming the this will occurr after a lot of hours of usage!
Thanks for the transparent update. Looking forward to receiving the printer. With other companies, such as Bambu Labs, making printers with speeds reaching 400 - 500 mm/s, does Prusa plan to make similar updates in the future to the XL?
I think that’s the underlying reason to go with the 0.6mm nozzle
Thanks for the update, looking forward for the email
Finaly some news, great!
Which news? That the shipping, previously planned around january 2023, is now yet another time delayed?
Have been there many times.
That’s not “new”
Yes!!! Please quick! I have already 3 bambulab, one p1p and two X1C but I have 6 Mk3s and there’s not useless for my business! I wait for the XL!!! Cheer!
I will wait as long as I need in order for this machine to be perfect. It has been difficult though!
"perfect" in 3d printing industry ... sure
How cool. I'd love to try one.
Thanks for the update and to describe part of the big job bein done behind!. Maybe you already answered: about klipper firmware, will it be equipped at the end? Thanks for your time
I like it when someone said if you have any questions to put that in the comments (and nobody from officials answer ^^)
That's not really a question but I am answering anyway. :) - Mikolas
Thank you for the info. So I can wait for convert my reservartion into an order, right? I'm saving and I don't know if I'm one of the first haha. Thanks
Running a Nozzle-X 0.6 on a Prusa mini + a cardboard box for printing ASA... works great.
looking forward to see this beast in reviewrs video! It is too big for me but if this is finished it means that hopefuly mk4 is next to develop :O and with some/all feature of xl that could be fun
for the mk4 im hoping for a core xy with a mk3 sized footprint
Will you be shipping large batches to the US for shipping within the US or will orders have to pay import taxes/duties?
i think they are working on the automated farm thing cant remember the name of it... but they will need to speed up the building of new systems with the rate of newer machines with features for alot better price points...
Awesomeness! Cannot wait!
John you need one with the fire and smoke option
YEAAAHHHH, Leggo hehe.
when can we expect the reservation / payment email? this month or starting March?
A small point, but multi camera doesn't work when you begin by talking into the lens and then continue to read off the prompter. It makes it more seamless if you simply turn to face the camera that is off axis for ad lib stuff before turning back to the main camera to continue delivering content off the prompter. As for the printers, prusa's reputation is sterling, but I would like to buy one to compare with my less expensive bambu lab x1.
I don't think I will ever be able to afford it, but I am so excited for when this printer comes to market. So many cool ideas contained in one machine. The school I work at has and Ultimaker S5 and it seems like the XL is going to be leaps and bounds ahead of it.
Hi Josef,
Thank you for the update.
Will the price remain the same despite the fact that your overheads have increased?
I liked what I heard ! We understand the supply chain issues and most of all value a reliable, quality product over early delivery. You are making good use of the time and I appreciate the refinements that you are implementing !
I should also ask if the XL will support auto tuned input shaping and wifi camera support, because having those 2 features would be pretty killer
Thank you
I’m excited about it
Thanks Jo. You are an honest person I really like how you do your business and the communication with the community. This makes Prusa a trustworthy company.
Thanks Josef to give us last updates of the XL printer. If u need beta tester …
One really important combination is going to be PC or CF+PC and a compatible soluble support material. We print CF+CP with Aquasys120 currently, or Nylon+CF with Aquasys120 - we are printing large pump impellers that we are then spinning to 3600 RPM. The speed at the rim of the part can exceed 105 MPH, under load - and there are a bunch of internal passages that require the use of soluble support material, but it does take special soluble support material to actually stick to PC. I am really excited about seeing how this will work with the multi-head system - hopefully there will be an option for an enclosed, temperature controlled chamber to use when printing things like Nylon and PC? Love my MK3, it has been a flawless workhorse for many many years and if this XL is anywhere near the reliability I am going to push really hard to see if we can get one to use at our company.
.6 nozzle by default 🤘🤘🤘🤘 thank you
It sounded like the filling of a shit sandwhich to me!
How will the IP for the XL be handled? Open Source? Mixed, some parts Open, some Closed? Specially the nozzle and the Toolhead in general.
What is the maximaum nozzle temperature? Could Nylon - PA be processed? As well as filled materil - Glasfibre or carbon (hardend steel nozzle or other nozzles for abrasive filament)?
Looking forward full enclosure. Without upper cover i doubt it can it print huge parts in PP, ABS or other materials prone to warping.
It doesn't have an upper cover?
@@Meb123 No, haven't seen any yet.
Sorry, the XL took waaay too long. Made myself a Voron in the meantime and now I couldn't be happier. I tried waiting for an XL, I really did...
Please provide an update on the state of fixing the MMU2S. I want to use mine but it is really bad and unstable to use.
I will have to save up. But this looks so good.
Can you add more tool heads at a later date? Thinking of starting with one , but would love the option to add additional down the road. And was the shipping cost to US available ?
Quoting one of the channel operator's answers:
"Yes, you will be able to add more tools later on. -Mikolas"
I've had 9 multihead XL's ordered and FULLY paid for for over 14 months now. While I understand some of the delays, I can't tell you how disappointed I am that the shipping of the multihead version has been delayed again. I run a small farm with 14 MK3's with the MMU unit on each, and the MMU is so unreliable it's unbelievable. I hope a firmware upgrade for the MMU comes soon to reduce our production headaches while waiting for our 9 XL's to arrive. The MMU units require constant supervision to nurse them through filament changes, I hope the XL's are more reliable in the multihead version. Thank you for the update, better knowing what's going on than waiting in the dark. I agree with others... Prusa printers are awesome, but the delays stink.
How much is the multitool version?
very few simple mods and the MMU doesnt need anything
@@95LegendGS Which mod do you mean? The MMU never runs really reliably
Done all the simple mods and while they help, the MMU still has major problems. I have run 14 of them 24/7 for more than 2 years now, so I speak from thousands of hours of experience.
@@danvester6476 If you're doing that much printing and are willing to put up with unreliable printers to get those features now, have you considered other options that are already on the market? The Voron 2.4 has an equivalent to the MMU that I suspect would be much more reliable since it's a Voron designed system that more than likely took many lessons from the MMU2, and the X1C is an off the shelf system with an equivalent setup (the latter seems reliable but does burn lots of filament on changeovers so recycling waste would be a must for high volume use).
Thanks for the update. Any plans for enclosures?
They did mention previously that they'd announce an enclosure nearer to release.
How does the XL calibrate XY offsets? We have a camera assisted tool for calibrating offsets on other machines which is lightyears better than 3D printing line patterns...just curious if this will work on the Prusas or if they've come up with some other way to do this seamlessly?
So pleased to have an update and an expected time for shipment.
The one thing I fail to understand is why are you still persisting with a Bowden style feed instead of using Direct Drive. Surely a Direct Drive extruder would have been a far better (and more reliable) 'way to go'.
Bowden would be a dealbreaker for me. We have 2023. It's time to let go of bowden.
It is direct drive, the PTFE tubes are just to feed the filament cleanly from the spools to the extruders (feed in PTFE tubes are an increasingly common feature on modern printers). There's an older blog post from shortly after their announcement where they break down the printer's overall design including the Nextruder design they've made for the extruder.
I have a pre-order foe a single tool head. What cost difference - advantage would there be to upgrade to multi tool head vs ordering more later?
I hope that one day I can play with this beast.
But for now I'll stick with my good ol' MK3s
I probably won't be able to budget for one of these anytime soon as a hobbyist but I have what I think is a great, easy to add suggestion to massively improve a common gripe I have:
Add a back stop and side stop for the magnetic steel sheet so that putting it back in at the perfect alignment is easy.
What printer do you currently have? Because the i3 mk3 has 2 screws for print bed placement. I assume they will do something similar for the XL
Edit: I just looked at some pictures, and it seems like this bed also has 2 screws, same system as the mk3
@@DraakjeYoblama I have a Bambulab X1, which has backstops but not side stops.
Prusa printers use a pair of pins in the back as a backstop. The metal sheets also got a wide tab sticking out in in the back that slides just inbetween the pins causing them to double as Side-stops. So while inserting the sheet back first against the pins, it should align itself on these two pins and then can be dropped for correct alignment.
any plans on adding the automatic Z offset of the Xl to older models, that have the correct stepper drivers for this ofco.
seems like something that can cross over to other models
very excited ... again.. to see the printer coming. But according to what I learned from my Prusa manual, using a 0.6mm nozzle reduces the level of detail I get. Why would I want to DEFAULT to lower resolution? If you think the 0.6mm is great, ship with BOTH 0.4mm and 0.6. I don't like the idea I need to purchase extra stuff just to maintain the level of resolution I am used to with the i3.
The "Arachne" slicing engine has made it that nozzles can achieve finer details than before. Where before the moment a detail or a wall was to small the old slicer would just outright refuse or botch up the quality. The Arachne slicer would modulate the flow-rate of the extruder and have the nozzle squeeze out less for it. This has in practice: resulted in nozzles being able to achieve same/better quality than even a smaller nozzle did before. So 0.6mm achieve better quality than 0.4mm, while 0.4mm is now closer to 0.25mm. As more slicers use Arachne, there is now a notable shift with more and more people favouring 0.6mm as the new "default" size over 0.4mm for a nice balance between speed and quality. With those wanting detail using the 0.25mm as that became insanely detailed.
The Prusa Printing manual is kind of outdated on all this.
Will the XL be usable with OctoPrint? I use my MK3s with Octoprint on a Raspi Pi 3B+ connected by GPIO pins: it works great, and I would love to keep this functionality.
Or is Prusa Connect better/easier to use?
So I ordered the XL with 2 Tools and have decided I am going to get all 5 tools. If I want the printer quicker, should I just switch to a single tool and then add the other tools later? Would the prices be the same (except for shipping obviously)? I need the bigger volume before I need the multi material, but I want the multi-material too. If it would just be a month longer, I would just opt to wait for the 5 tool changer.
Same boat as you