MICROPHONES I WISH I BOUGHT when I started RECORDING DRUMS
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What were the first mics you bought to record drums?
SM57, BROOOOO!!!
wait you played for this mayer track?
Specifically for drums?
I had just gotten an inheritance
U47 Fet Vintage
D12e Vintage
D112
D12VR
3X 421
2X 441
2X Tlm 102
2X Royer 121
C451eb Vintage
I also bought an SM7b at the time, but not for drums..
Though now that I've culled the majority of my mics (There was many others I didn't list)
I am using the SM7b as a HH mic.
Id like to get a pair of 81s for OH
I have a pair of 414 b-uls now (used to use the Royers and 102s(great mics for a lot of stuff kinda wish I hadn't sold them) I still have 2 421's but went and got 6 EV N/D468s for a killer price, I haven't used all 6 yet, but want to do top bottom snare with them on my next large drum tracking gig.. I have 32 IO so Im all about uses as many tracks as possible when tracking drums for options.. (I know a lot of people are against that, but my day job is in post audio mixing for TV.. and we want as much and as many source takes as possible to use as options.)
@@drdelewded Add to that list the best carbon mic you can get for effectively replacing a reversed-wired speaker cone with far better gain, and a Vanguard V44S stereo. You can use this as a Blumlein pair with both capsules as figure 8, or run it through the included splitter box to get it to send a mid side signals! It sounds so good some top engineers sold one of their Neumanns after getting it. Best to widen the stereo image as overhead or as a room mic. Cheers! (also I hate you ;)
Sounds very good bro!!! but I think u forgot to mention, three key things, your room sounds incredible, the drums are tuned spot on, and the mic positioning are perfect. with out those 3 things it doesnt matter if you have the best drum mics in the world, it would not sound like that!!. !!love your videos bro!! keep rocking those drums!!
Thanks for checking it out! I appreciate it.
91 on the kick is the best I've ever tried.
You'll love it.
@Zack Darce
Dude, trust me.
You put iut in and you have all you need.
The rest will be just showing off :D
Behringer BA19a actually performs better in our studio. At around 1/3 the price.
Been doing this for years.
Excellent video Andrew. I've literally been watching your videos one after another. So interesting and knowledgeable. You've reignited my enthusiasm for recording music in my home studio. Thank you.
Started out with the low grade Audix drum mics (ADX-90, f15, f10, f12, etc..) back in 07/08. Upgraded to CX212, Micro-D, D6, i5. Past couple years I've really broadened that inventory. D2, D4, another D6. ADX-51, OM2, OM3, OM5, OM7 (for singer's vocals). Got a few different MXL condensers/ribbons. Beta 91A with a Kelly SHU Flatz internal bass drum mount system (highly recommend you look into that). Hyper cardioid mics are great in closed environments with more than 1 person playing. Gotta love that off-axis rejection.
Sweet vid, per usual.
Great video! It’s super fun watching you having fun 😄 Love the channel BTW!
Glad you enjoy it!
As I like the studio tours, really appreciated this video. Liked how you showed recording the drums and the process of mixing. I started with Shure Beta-52 and SM57.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! I'm a HUGE fan of the SM7. I'm an Audix guy ,myself, but this shows why Shure has been a main stay in so many studios.
Wow. I honestly never thought the SM7 would sound THAT GOOD on snare. Thank you Andrew, you got yourself a new subscriber!
Thanks for the sub!
This is the sound I started when I learn to mic-up and mixing drums. After a big round of all other mics like Audix, Sennheiser, AKG, and I still love the sound of these Shure microphones.... Thanks for sharing.
YO DREW YOUR DRUM MIX IS CLEAN AF!! ndddd you are solid as hell!!!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
Drums sound great! Snare sounds especially crispy with just enough resonance.
Appreciate it!
awesome video man, dig all of your content and I appreciate you! I do use some Shure mics on drums, but only for snare bottom and room mics, I use SM 57s, I use an Audix D6 and Warm Audio 47jr for kick, and depending on toms, either Audix D2's/D4's or ADX51s, and then sE Electronics VR1 ribbons for overheads. Again Andrew, you're studio tour videos and also your drum micing vids have helped me a lot, cheers man!
Lol All of Jacks' cards all over your studio. Great video, I loved the editing on this one.
Thank you dear
Crazy sound!
Man I just can across your channel ! Love it man, thanks for the awesome information. I’m a total greenhorn when it comes to miking and recording software. Will be watching and taking it all in man. Would love to pick your brains about all of the above. Keep up the fantastic work my friend, thank you 🙏🏻🥁🤘🏻👍🏻
Sounds amazing
Keep up the great content, Andrew 🤟
Thank you!
Great information. Appreciate it, Andrew :)
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for checking it out Layla :)
sounds great! 🤘🥁
Man. Those drums sound amazing. And my jaw dropped once again when I realized that inserts on the tracks are empty. You nailed it at the source!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Great playing man! And I’m always surprised how much I like 57‘s on Toms. Would love to see the processing you did on the drums.
Thanks for checking it out!
The SM7b is so good on a lot of things...not for everyone or everything but works very well on loud midrange sources
The 91 has been my preferred “slap” mic on kicks for a while - usually with a sub-kick or the Warm Audio FET 47 clone on the outside if the drum has a reso head. It’s also super cool as a low/floor room mic, which can be really interesting in the mix depending on your room.
Thanks for sharing!
those drums sound incredible dude.
Thank you!
Great man! I bought a used shure mic kit with 52 and 57s to start. I’ve recently upgraded to the earthworks dk7 but I still use the 52 on kick! I got the behringer clone of the Shure 91 and it sounds pretty killer! Great video!
Thanks for watching!
That snare tho! You have a new fan.
I used an SM7 on hats for years. What great mic for so many sources.
Now all I can do is just clue in on the hi hat lol SOLID. Picked up a presonus kit to get started on drum tracking!
AKG D1000e. 1976. I had three. They’re all I owned for the next ten years.
Great video!
Sounds Great!
Thanks!
I mean I've been playing for 15 years, I literally just got a studio to put my drums in moving them this week to start working remotely, and this video pop-up. Think I'm on the right track :D Also got a beta 87A so I guess the 91A will be next! My old man, who have 40 years of experience, recommends carbon-capsule microphones for bass drums to get that sub-low "oumph" cuz it cuts all the transient! He said that he tried the reverse speaker wiring trick back in the days but wasn't satisfied with the gain. You can get modern bullet carbon mics for harmonica or get an old one on Reverb. He had a Geloso one that was good he said.
Sounds great! Thanks for sharing and checking out the video.
Hey man, been away from you channel a while. Sounds great!
I knew you would like this one, glad to have you back.
nice dude!!! thanks for share!!!!
Thanks for watching!
I’ve been playing around with blumlien ribbon overheads and a single omni on the batter side of the kick drum equidistant between the snare resonate head and kick batter head. Gets a ton of kick drum depth
Great drum sound
My first set of mics was a super cheap CAD drum mic set, like $150 for the whole thing. They’re not necessarily great, but surprisingly still have use today if I want something totally different. The kick mic in particular sounds awesome on the floor tom if I just want that super low thump. Now I have a mixed bag of AKG and Shure mics. My overheads are a stereo pair of AKG c214s, and it’s wild to think how expensive just those two are in comparison to my original drum mics.
Good stuff! Thanks for watching.
i like sticking the beta 91 inside the kick drum, some times it's nearer to the beater, sometimes just sitting in the middle. fantastic sound regardless.
Thanks for sharing!
it sounds soo creamy and smooth man ... loved it
i know you’re mainly a drummer but i’d be interested to see a similar video about vocal mics
Noted!
Man I want to hear more mics on your kit that's a super drum sound
Thanks!
I also use SM81's as OH's. On snare I use an SM57/Samson CO2 combo, on bass drum I used to use an AKG D112 but now use a Sennheiser e-602ii. On rack toms I use SM57's and on floor tom I use the D112 and it sounds amazing on there. Your snare sounds really good.
Hey Andrew! I love watching your videos :) What are the clips you are using for your SM81 on this video? Thanks!
Nice video man! I am also a big fan of Shure mics. How did you set up your OH?is it space pair?thanks 😊👍🙌
Sounds great! Personally, I went Audix over Shure cause I wanted something different and I can’t go back, i5s on snare and toms and a d6 on kick and man it’s a great sound. My usual overheads are a pair of Vanguard Audio Labs V1s and some sort of LDC or Ribbon in the middle of the two as a mono overhead. I’ve been looking to get one of those boundary mics for kick though, do you have a preference for having the reso head of a kick off while you record or do you see it as more genre specific?
Sounding really good, the SM91 is going to give you a lot of detail but watch out for snare bleed, it's going to be more pronounced
Thanks for watching!
Hey Andrew, I really like your snare sound here. What snare, batter side head, and pitch did you use? Sounds like the resonant note might be a G#/Ab to me. Would you make a video going over your approach to drum tuning? Thanks man!
Great sounding kit! What sizes are those Slingerlands? 22, 13, 16? Champagne Sparkle? If so, I have the same set up (1965) with the matching 5x14 snare! Amazing drums and I will never part with them. The bearing edges on my kit are just a fat round over with thick, maple reinforcement hoops. Huge, warm sound.
I use de SM7 for HH, its a killer... but i have the Audix D6 for Kicks, and D2 and D4 for toms. KSM 137 for OH, SM57 for snare top and bottom, and a Lewitt DTP 640 for outside kick. And suggestions are more than welcome...
I have a behringer version of the beta 91a and it's awesome!!! For $60 it's a great mic. Uses phantom power. Sleeper mic for kicks. Also akg c214 great room or mono overhead.
I don’t know if it’s too much of a beginner video but, I would love to understand how you setup the mics/pres to avoid phasing issues, which mics and placement you might pay certain attention to, etc.
Thanks for another great vid :)
I have a 52 and a 91 in my kick, 56A on snare, Beta 98s on toms. OHs vary - I like Beta 27s or KSM137s, but sometimes for a more vintage sound a pair of SE R1 ribbons sound great. Never tried an SM7, at >4x the price of an SM57 I've often wondered if it's worth it?
Great vídeo! Greetings from Brasil!
Thanks for watching!
Drums sound amazing bro! Do you have any tuning videos?
That snare sounds so amazing.
Thanks man!
Great video bro! You should try the Neve 88RS in the unison slots lol
Man.....sounds SO good! That snare........YES!!! I use the 91 and the D6 on the kick. Have you tried the 52 on the floor tom?
Thanks for watching! I personally haven't tried that. I bet it's awesome.
Did you use a cloud lifter or any other dB booster on the snare SM7B? And just snare top!? Sounding great Andrew!
Thanks. No cloudlifter on the drum mics.
You get a thwack sound on your snare I’m hearing a lot these days on you tube kits! I get the snare drums are all good but almost sounds tuned very low with no sustain? Also loose snares to? Is it video compression I’m hearing? It does sound like your kick and toms all have the thwack with no sustain? Does that make sense?
SM81 is surprisingly good. Used one when the KM84 went bust and actually preferred the sound. Was shocked.
I looked at mikes for drums years ago and I think Sure at 2 levels with complete kits. I waited till I could afford
the bass drum mike and then used sm58s for a while until I could afford sm57.
after ~25 years of experimenting with super expensive mics like 87s, 67s, Coles, etc, as well as Audix kits, Shure Kits ,Oktavia, MXL, and everything in between, my favorite drums mics are:
Kick: EV RE-20 or Shure SM52
Snare: Beyerdynamic M201
Toms: CAD M179 - best tom mic and great on some voices and acoustic instruments - an all around workhorse mic.
OHs: Neumann TLM 102
All relatively affordable, all produce pro results. My mixes come together quickly, I get a full drum sounds without weird mic dependent EQ; the tracks take compression and EQ well, and it's easy to blend in samples if I need to due to less than ideal kits being recorded.
Covers a lot of ground for rock, pop, country, Americana, alt-country.
Hello Andrew
what a beautiful sound you have there. I've been playing drums for 6 years, I never took lessons, only youtube and drumless. I'm going to move house and build a garage just to make my studio with good acoustics. What software do you use to record the drums? Greetings from Portugal
I pick the software based off of the project I'm working on. Sometimes it's Pro Tools, sometimes its Logic and sometimes it's LUNA. Good luck with everything! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
@@AndrewMasters love your channel, keep up the good work
Now this is what I wanted to know
Are you using that SSL UF8 much? Other than the SSL video, I haven’t noticed much use in your videos. I ask because I just got the UC1 today and the UF8 should be arriving tonight! Wishing LUNA would support controllers, but I’ll use logic until then I suppose. Enjoy your channel a lot. Have watched every vid and look forward to them each week. Congrats on 50k (or soon to be).
I do! I use it for mixing and don't make a lot of videos on mixing. But I have been mixing a record and it's been outstanding for me. Thanks!
@@AndrewMasters good deal. The UF8 just arrived. Will be spending weekend rewiring/arranging home studio. Almost bought the DangerFox desk, but went with the SSLs instead (for now). Now I’m making do DIY style on the furniture. Lol
Take care!
use a combination of a 57 and a 58 on my snare, both on top. been saving up cash to pickup some more. Want the Sm7 so bad. looking forward to that kick drum shootout!
Nice! Thanks for watching.
DUDE AS SOON AS I HEARD HIT THE SNARE AND BASS DRUM IN THE FIRST SONG I WAS LIKE WOAHHHH THIS SOUNDS GREAT. GREAT DRUM MIX. IM 17 years old and im wanna basically do what you do. i play every instrument. i came out with a song called "U ARE" by Ben Elijah (me). I played everything and mixed everything and recorded. i dont know what im dooing but im doing what i think sounds ok to me. but yeah i want to be able to get great sounds like you man
Keep at it dude, you’ll be better than me in a second
I just searched up your song and listened to it and I actually really enjoyed it! Keep it up dude! 😉🔥
Great video man, guitar player who owns a drum set here. I'm curious what shell pack that is, they sound great. ??
Hey! Just to make sure, did you use the SM81's and two Sm57's for this kit?
My current mic setup is overkill but I am trying to figure out what I like and I just built the room. lol KickIn - Beta91a and AKG D112 KickOut - Miktek P11 and AKGP220 SNTop - Beta57 SNBtm - SM57 Rack and Floor Miktek P10's OH - Lewitt 640TS's Hat - Audix F115 Crotch mic - AKG P220. Sometimes I will throw a couple condensers up for rooms. I don't use all the mics (generally stick to 2 kick mics) but I have choices when I listen back. Here is a sample from the room... czcams.com/video/Cv-s71aQUkc/video.html
What mic pre's are they running thru? And anything else. The Sm7 is a beast and so versatile, I agree.
What pro tools version are you using and what OS? Really enjoy your videos. Thanks
Hey, thanks man! I'm running Catalina and I'm on the Pro Tools Subscription, so whatever is their most up-to-date version is what I'm using.
awesome sound man. i would have used a different crash, but other than that the sound was amazing. the crash doesnt even have anything to do with the mics, thats just a sound preference lol
I personally prefer the AKG D112 on kick. Any chance we can get the drum stems Andrew? Would love to mix it and use it for a cover
Do you leave the settings flat on the sm7 for hi hat? No bass roll off or presence boost?
Good player + good kit + good mic’s + good preamps and you have a winner
Can you do a review of your WA273EQ? Would love to hear your thoughts on it!!
Dayyuuuuuum the SM7 on hh OMG... do you use a cloudlifter or special pre with them?
I don't use a cloudlifter when the SM7 is on drums. I will use it if I am recording something a lot quieter, like acoustic or vocals.
there's a way to DIY the acoustic clouds you have in your beautiful room?
Whats the depth of the snare? Is it 8 or 6.5?
Good snare sound man .Can You share your snare processing ?
I see your drum mics/inputs are bussed to a drum bus, which is then bussed to your output bus. inline you've got a neve, and api, aireq...etc etc etc....what are you settings on all those plugins? You VERY briefly touch on this, and I don't argue these mics are great as I've used a lot of them in my own career. But it would be helpful to know what/how much work you've done to colour the audio from input to output.
Cant go wrong with shure!
Beta 91A inside the kick, Beta 52A in the hole, subkick...excellent combo live or on record
I started out with nothing but a bag full of Behringer C-1 mics. They were $55 each and were unbelievable as drum mics for the price. BIG sounding and open live sound on every recording. But my engineer HATED them. He wanted more 1970s style separation, and begged me to go with dynamic directionals.
So heres what I got.
Kick... Beta 52
Snare.. AUDIX i5
Hats.. SM57
Toms.. Peavey 328
Floor tom.. Peavey 321
Overheads.. Heil pr31bw
Thats 8 mics... and all the room I have on my interface.
Honestly, I see no real need to upgrade my setup. Im getting so many compliments now on my tone, tuning, mics and room sound. I think it sounds great, but I do miss the open room sound.
When I get more channels, I'm going to grab an SE -VR1 Passive ribbon for room, and another Heil pr31bw for snare top, and move my i5 to bottom side.
Thoughts on the new UA modelling mics?
When you say 'SM7' are you referring to the SM7 or SM7b because you've linked the 7b but that might just be because you can't get the SM7 new anymore?
I have been using the sm7 for the past few years, but in this video I'm using sm7b's on hat and snare
As long as we are nerding over here, what crash are you using? It's dope. As for the love of mics and drums... 4038. Wut.
Sennheiser MD421 on everything. And a pair of SM81's worked ..
That snare is absolutely killer! Is it just a Ludwig Brass Supraphonic?
Boundary mic, i have thought about that. What about the, akg D112?
The D112 has a different sound. It's got much more midrange punch. That's the mic that I started with.
Audix D6 on Kick and FToms, Shure Beta 98AMP/C on toms and top snare, sm57 bot Snare
Is it an sm7b that you are using ? Thanks
what preamp are you running your mics through?
Are you a shure reseller 😅? Haha im joking. Great selection!!
Would you make a comparison video using similar mics from other companies? I personally prefer a little bit of this, a little bit of that 👌🏻
F-ing cool bro...!!
Thanks bro!
how do you get your drums to sound so fat off the start especially the snare?
Hey great video! Was this video sponsored by Shure?
Yes :)
Sounds great. I want those 81s. I'm not digging my rode nt5s. Snare clips and everything else is to quiet.
Thanks for checking it out!
Rode NT5's are great too! I used them once on overheads and loved the sound
@@rockboy360 what pres did you use? Did you have to use a pad? Was it a big room? My little room with a focusrite clarette 8 pre didn't agree with them for whatever reason. I'm gonna have to give them another shot sometime though.