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  • The Oscar-winning "Titanic" director and the ocean explorer who discovered the Titanic wreckage both share their thoughts on the tragic implosion of the tourist submersible.
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  • @JB-mb6lm
    @JB-mb6lm Před 11 měsíci +864

    James Cameron is perfect example when you say someone is an expert in the field. The way he explains things gives you full understanding of the subject.

    • @jjayguy23
      @jjayguy23 Před 11 měsíci +69

      Unfortunately, the Ocean Gate CEO wouldn’t have listened to him. He wanted “yes men” around him.

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 Před 11 měsíci +39

      ​​@@jjayguy23Even if Cameron warn Stockman about the dangers of his sub. It would be one ear out the other. Exactly 💯

    • @nathansheldahl
      @nathansheldahl Před 11 měsíci +19

      James is an explorer that makes great movies as his day job (that’s one of the big reasons why he made Titanic in the first place as he said many times).

    • @FossKhan
      @FossKhan Před 11 měsíci +14

      James is true film maker and explorer

    • @paulwoodford1984
      @paulwoodford1984 Před 11 měsíci +30

      Robert Ballard is an even bigger expert. he’s a legend

  • @wadewilson8011
    @wadewilson8011 Před 11 měsíci +576

    Kids dont know that Robert Ballard is a Deep sea legend. Everyone on here is talking about James Cameron. But it was Bob who actually FOUND Titanic and SEVERAL other "lost" sunken vessels and crafts. Its epic to have BOTH these guys give their opinions and viewpoints of this AVOIDABLE tragedy.
    It's like having Michael Jordan and Lebron James being interviewed on basketball expertise.

    • @paulwoodford1984
      @paulwoodford1984 Před 11 měsíci +37

      I know, it’s infuriating to see Cameron get all the praise. Robert Ballard is legendary. He is more of an expert than james

    • @AroundTheWorldWithEase
      @AroundTheWorldWithEase Před 11 měsíci +11

      Stupendous analogy.

    • @mikejones2896
      @mikejones2896 Před 11 měsíci +37

      @@paulwoodford1984 To be fair to Cameron, Ballard is somewhat reserved, even introverted at times when it comes to wrecks and the such. I think because he dealt with classified stuff and his beliefs of leaving the Titanic alone.

    • @akim2154
      @akim2154 Před 11 měsíci +20

      I’m 40 but didn’t know who Mr. Ballard is so I must be a kid! (I’m an elder millennial and was a teenager when Titanic came out, so yes, I only know about Cameron). Many people have educated me since on what a legend Ballard is and he sounds like a well-spoken articulate man, but so is Cameron and I can appreciate both of their perspectives on this tragedy!

    • @paulwoodford1984
      @paulwoodford1984 Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@akim2154 i am 38 and knew who ballard was when i was ten and had the vhs tape on the discovery of the titanic and the books. But at least you learnt an bout him. I knew about cameron a bit later when i saw the epic 1997 titanic film. As a titanic fan that whole film was phenomenal to me back then. saw it fifty times in four years or so lol. both are very knowledgeable but i hope more people learn about ballard.

  • @rd31821
    @rd31821 Před 11 měsíci +507

    You can sense how furious James Cameron is. He has more than enough experience as explorer and inventor to understand and appreciate what is needed for such submersible. Problem is Rush was arrogant enough to not listen to anyone.

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 Před 11 měsíci +16

      Exactly 💯

    • @rodneyboehner3007
      @rodneyboehner3007 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Gee, do you think the passengers deserve a refund after what happened?

    • @aserv05
      @aserv05 Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@rodneyboehner3007 they agreed to dive on that sub despite being warned

    • @rodneyboehner3007
      @rodneyboehner3007 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@aserv05 So, does that mean they're not getting their money back?

    • @aserv05
      @aserv05 Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@rodneyboehner3007 we didn't see the terms of the agreement, if they had life insurance maybe their families would get some money out of it

  • @jakemeyer8188
    @jakemeyer8188 Před 11 měsíci +783

    I think it's great that James Cameron is being consulted as an engineer and deep sea explorer, not as a filmmaker. Very few people have the level of experience and expertise that he does.

    • @Luckyduck82180
      @Luckyduck82180 Před 11 měsíci +62

      I agree. He is very impressive. I find him to be a fascinating human being

    • @tomasinacovell4293
      @tomasinacovell4293 Před 11 měsíci +25

      They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.

    • @univera1111
      @univera1111 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Thanks to him for his expertises. It's sad imagining how they died. They didn't even have the time to think.

    • @melgrant7404
      @melgrant7404 Před 11 měsíci +12

      @@tomasinacovell4293 the operation and procedures would still be the same what ever the outcome.

    • @rodneyboehner3007
      @rodneyboehner3007 Před 11 měsíci +9

      What should horrify people is that Boeing-the people who brought you the 737 Max-provided technical consultation on using carbon fiber for the hull of the sub from their experience of using it on their jet fuselages. There are thousands of jets in service now with carbon fiber fuselages which experience cyclic loading that experience fatigue waiting for the same fate as Oceangate's Titan. Tic, tic, tic...Happy travels, everyone!!

  • @garyfallows1123
    @garyfallows1123 Před 11 měsíci +152

    James Cameron and Dr Ballard are probably the two most knowledgeable people about the Titanic and submersible deep diving

    • @narutonutty
      @narutonutty Před 11 měsíci +7

      PH Nargeolet was the other legend when it's comes to deep sea titanic exploration

    • @Trekki200
      @Trekki200 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@narutonutty and that's what is absolutely baffling about all this. Because Hamish Harding also had a good amount of experience with very deep dives, not with the titanic, but he had been down the Marianna trench (Cameron was the first to go down there back in 2012). So for all the talk about 'obvious' concerns, those two apparently didn't seem to see any issues...

    • @FromAgen
      @FromAgen Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@narutonutty PH Nargeolet, it's 35 dives with submarines to see the wreck of the Titanic, the very first time in 1987.
      The 36th time in 2023 was fatal for him.

    • @oahuhawaii2141
      @oahuhawaii2141 Před 11 měsíci

      Perhaps Ballard and Cameron together can dive to the site to see Titan and Titanic, and pay homage to their lost friends.

    • @darthhull85
      @darthhull85 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Trekki200James wasn’t the first to go to challenger deep. He was the first to do it solo.

  • @austincooper4508
    @austincooper4508 Před 11 měsíci +290

    You can see the anger in James' eyes, he knows this could have been prevented and didn't have to happen and he lost friends as a result.

    • @youtubesnamingpolicysucks
      @youtubesnamingpolicysucks Před 11 měsíci +9

      Then he should have warned people and been more vocal the last 14 years, don't you think?

    • @gracecalis5421
      @gracecalis5421 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks How much more vocal can the deep see exploration be than a letter from veterans in the field IMPLORING Oceongate to have their sub certified? It was clear by then that no amount of pleading would've convinced Stockton. He was set in his ways and he got innocents killed because of that.

    • @tswitswi
      @tswitswi Před 11 měsíci +25

      ​@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks he and others did, but OceanGate had lawyers.

    • @freestyla85
      @freestyla85 Před 11 měsíci +17

      @@youtubesnamingpolicysucks That Rush guy was warned many times, from industry experts and he didn't listen to them, even sued a former employee who the company fired after he brought up safety problems with the design.

    • @ph9692
      @ph9692 Před 11 měsíci +3

      ​@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks4:57 He warned them alright but did they listen?????

  • @SEMIA123
    @SEMIA123 Před 11 měsíci +111

    It's not brought up very often, but deep sea submersible diving had an incredible, near perfect safety record. This clown ended that.

    • @annamorris7097
      @annamorris7097 Před 11 měsíci +18

      It is a shame that other companies worldwide who do operate under strict safety regulations will be taking a hit from this incident.

    • @youtubesnamingpolicysucks
      @youtubesnamingpolicysucks Před 11 měsíci +14

      @@annamorris7097 Most likely not. The REAL submersibles are certified and have been since they were built, Alvin has been in service since 1964 and was built by General Mills Electronics (a division of the cereal company) and it's still being used. Everyone else seems to take themselves seriously, OceanGate did not.

  • @steelpaine9932
    @steelpaine9932 Před 11 měsíci +214

    These two men are the epitome of knowledge, experience and education in underwater exploration. Thank you both for your dedication to the exploration of Titanic and hope future endeavors will heed your advice and expertise.

    • @ahill4642
      @ahill4642 Před 11 měsíci +8

      I admit that James Cameron just earned my respect. Up til know I arrogantly assumed he was nothing but arrogance. I stand corrected.

    • @beanj580
      @beanj580 Před 11 měsíci

      He actually is quite arrogant, and those that know him well say precisely that

  • @jeffbudd7678
    @jeffbudd7678 Před 11 měsíci +44

    I still remember watching Ballard when he found Titantic and KMS Bismarck. Dude is an absolutely legend. The Jacques Cousteau of deep sea wreck discovery and exploration. James Cameron is also highly under-appreciated for his massive contributions to the deep sea and exploratory community. His documentaries on Titanic and Bismarck are just as riveting as National Geographics were on Ballard discovering both wrecks and provides even more insight and information.

  • @cannibalholocaust3015
    @cannibalholocaust3015 Před 11 měsíci +106

    Never underestimate the power of clear communication. Cameron exemplifies it , it’s a major part of his success as he explains to actors, set designers, CGI guys exactly how he wants something in a way that’s easy to understand.
    He must’ve assumed common sense would kick in and the company would wait for certification.

  • @evans1946
    @evans1946 Před 11 měsíci +51

    What I can't understand is how the hell did Stockton Rush convince an experienced deep sea explorer like Nargeolet to take a ride in his death trap to the Titanic?

    • @kerstinover4536
      @kerstinover4536 Před 11 měsíci +12

      Because Stockton truly believed he had something good going, and I guess Nargeolet thought their previous successful dives were enough to give it a go. Oh well. . .

    • @mariejae
      @mariejae Před 11 měsíci +17

      He was an expert on the Titanic, not vessel safety. He likely believed in Rush's confidence, like many others. Lesson is to always do your own research and ensure you are in certified vessels or vehicles.

    • @louisedavis
      @louisedavis Před 11 měsíci

      Mine babbling 😢

    • @Ometecuhtli
      @Ometecuhtli Před 11 měsíci +2

      Well there are people who trust their Tesla will drive them safely to their destination without intervention, so trusting a industry where there haven't been a single human loss in deep sea exploration for half a century, even if he's an expert on Titanic (but not vessel design) is not a stretch.

    • @sheilacrabtree5993
      @sheilacrabtree5993 Před 11 měsíci +1

      He was their guide

  • @veldinjoeable
    @veldinjoeable Před 11 měsíci +28

    The founder of the titanic wreck, and the Director of the epic Titanic film as well as submersible explorer. It’s awesome to see two Titanic legends, side-by-side.

  • @KMT15
    @KMT15 Před 11 měsíci +66

    It’s not the first time a non certified submersible has gone that far. James admitted himself that the challenger deep wasn’t certified. Difference was, it was a single occupant and only he was in it. He wasn’t selling seats to the public.

    • @Seashellsbytheseashore21
      @Seashellsbytheseashore21 Před 11 měsíci +23

      Exactly. He wasn’t selling tickets to people for a tourist ride. That is the whole point

    • @Ometecuhtli
      @Ometecuhtli Před 11 měsíci +4

      Yup, he wasn't planning on doing it every year, multiple times either, so in his case certification wouldn't have meant much, but in Oceangate's case it was avoided so they could operate a business and I doubt even after making it profitable (it's my understanding they were operating at a loss) the CEO would've pursued that path and remained the supposedly maverick and innovator, at least according to him.

    • @ToreDL87
      @ToreDL87 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Ometecuhtli I'm only speculating here, but with a lot of companies like that, some sponsorships, investments and "donations", not to mention deductible losses, subsidies, etc, I'd venture to say they probably made a profit off the books.

    • @reneedennis2011
      @reneedennis2011 Před 11 měsíci

      Yup. Good point.

    • @KrisztinaH.
      @KrisztinaH. Před 11 měsíci +6

      Also, he worked with experienced engineers to build it, didn't cut corners, took their time and they did do test dives.

  • @anasshahid224
    @anasshahid224 Před 11 měsíci +47

    James Cameron has done 33 dives to the titanic, along with documentaries on the ocean, he’s absolutely right, he has the right knowledge, Ocean Gate needed to get their submersible certified, heartbroken for the 5 passengers who lost their lives.

    • @cheapcraftygirlsweepstakes2338
      @cheapcraftygirlsweepstakes2338 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Four passengers and one homicidal sociopath.

    • @artofsam
      @artofsam Před 11 měsíci +7

      People have a right to be angry with him but I think ‘egomaniac’ is probably a more accurate term, end of the day he was still a human being and deserves some respect especially in death, he wasn’t an evil man just very reckless and stupid which is what he will be known for when we tell the history of this tragedy.

    • @jamesm5787
      @jamesm5787 Před 11 měsíci +1

      They couldn't get that deathtrap certified. They'd have to completely redesign and rebuild it.

    • @WaveForceful
      @WaveForceful Před 11 měsíci

      The titan would have been ok for much shallower depths. I think the view port was rated for 1.3km. They are going well over twice it’s rated depth. Absolutely insane.
      Either the hill collapsed or the port hole blew out.

  • @averageguy1261
    @averageguy1261 Před 11 měsíci +87

    Who knew James Cameron was so knowledgeable about engineering.

    • @dynamicdave2647
      @dynamicdave2647 Před 11 měsíci +19

      He had the record for deepest diving. He went down to challenger deep- national geographic featured

    • @tammyj2858
      @tammyj2858 Před 11 měsíci +21

      Physics major......and that is just the start

    • @lawoman608
      @lawoman608 Před 11 měsíci +16

      Yes, I was thinking the same. I love his analysis, that is just enough in plain English that is easily understood.

    • @steelpaine9932
      @steelpaine9932 Před 11 měsíci +25

      I've followed his career since The Terminator, and in learning about him over the years, he's actually an engineer, scientist, inventor, explorer first. Filmmaking is just a hobby. How lucky are we to have him make films too!

    • @deb-1558
      @deb-1558 Před 11 měsíci +9

      He's a genius. I respect his film his making.

  • @babrojobunch
    @babrojobunch Před 11 měsíci +23

    Have been waiting to hear what Robert Ballard and James Cameron have to say about this. Bob Ballard is a TRUE legend and many look up to him. I will never forget when he discovered the TITANIC and will never get tired of listening to his stories of deep sea exploration

  • @metime4325
    @metime4325 Před 11 měsíci +34

    I kind of understand how the movies Titanic and Avatar was created. The director understands so much about deep water.

    • @Michael-jw6et
      @Michael-jw6et Před 11 měsíci +4

      And the Abyss, which was his first deep under water movie, and it was awesome.

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      @oyekunleanimashaun141 Před 11 měsíci

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  • @shannonly23
    @shannonly23 Před 11 měsíci +12

    Someone said that this was “a testament to the dangers of arrogance.” Absolutely spot on.

  • @tmbarton1961
    @tmbarton1961 Před 11 měsíci +74

    I've been waiting for interviews of Bob Ballard and James Cameron about this tragedy. Great interviews.
    Ironically, our movies have a tendency to glorify the Han Solo "fly by the seat of your pants" adventure types, but in reality, the adventurers/explorers that survive are the ones that plan for the safest vessels/vehicles to accomplish their missions. Bob Ballard and James Cameron are no "Han Solo" types. They are professional and experienced explorers who choose the side of caution, not recklessness.

  • @3UZFE
    @3UZFE Před 11 měsíci +27

    I love how candid these two legends are, always great to hear from them. It's just crazy to think Stockton Rush was doing what he was without consulting more experts in the field, it was both reckless and arrogant.

  • @spockboy
    @spockboy Před 11 měsíci +20

    It's so refreshing to hear older, experienced people who actually KNOW what the hell they are talking about, instead of the usual bullshit panel (typical of news media these days) offering their useless, baseless suppositions about possible outcomes. Thanks for posting. RIP to all aboard the sub. Terrible situation.

    • @leechowning2712
      @leechowning2712 Před 11 měsíci

      Notice both said "friends at the navy notified us of the crush sound. We knew what happened"...
      The Coast Guard obviously had to make sure, but I wish it had been more clearly explained in the beginning.

  • @frankieelvisbarbieri5495
    @frankieelvisbarbieri5495 Před 11 měsíci +12

    I knew my fellow Canadian Mr. Cameron is a genius, ( especially in movie making), but I had no idea how much involved and how much he knew about the titan. Every word that comes out his mouth is gold!

  • @saltysagittarius1058
    @saltysagittarius1058 Před 11 měsíci +29

    I had no idea James was such a knowledgeable person in deep sea exploration, I thought it was solely for the movie.

    • @Nineteen1900Hundred
      @Nineteen1900Hundred Před 11 měsíci +12

      You should see his mission in the deep sea trench.

    • @Seashellsbytheseashore21
      @Seashellsbytheseashore21 Před 11 měsíci +11

      These 2 men have gone places that just about no one else in the grand scheme of things, ever will.

    • @Jogwheel
      @Jogwheel Před 11 měsíci +1

      Dude's only made like 4 feature films and a half-dozen documentaries about the ocean, haha.

    • @Ab-vw2sg
      @Ab-vw2sg Před 11 měsíci +2

      He couldn't have done such a beautiful movie without a deep technical knowledge.

    • @ryanhampson673
      @ryanhampson673 Před 11 měsíci

      He’s been interested in ocean exploration since a kid. In the Deepsea challenger documentary he says really the reason he does filmmaking is to fund his ocean exploration missions. People get too wrapped up in what people do for work and just see him as a film director when really he’s an explorer that occasionally does movies.

  • @ronnierichards1272
    @ronnierichards1272 Před 11 měsíci +36

    Thanks to Oceangate and their catastrophe and Listening to James Cameron .I'm studying crazy things I never pay attention to in school like hydrosphere,composites of metal and Entropy 😁😁😁👍👍

    • @mariejae
      @mariejae Před 11 měsíci +1

      Same, its fascinating. I wish I would've waited to go to college. I would've chosen a more science based major now.

    • @ronnierichards1272
      @ronnierichards1272 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@mariejae 😁😁😁 I should have listen more to my science teacher .

  • @wendydarling8192
    @wendydarling8192 Před 11 měsíci +16

    This was going to happen sooner or later. I just can’t get over the fact Ocean Gate was control by a X Box controller, like seriously what the heck.

    • @faithenichols6947
      @faithenichols6947 Před 11 měsíci +4

      I said the same thing to my Aunt. I couldn't get inside something like that and go deep down into the ocean under the control of a gaming device. I couldn't fathom it.

    • @robobo1726
      @robobo1726 Před 11 měsíci

      Game controllers are industry standard, and are used in the military as well, because they are very intuitive and work reliably. Notably this fact wasn’t mentioned in the interview because James and Bob didn’t find it relevant to the topic, and didn’t consider it as a failure point for the same reasons

    • @Ometecuhtli
      @Ometecuhtli Před 11 měsíci

      It could be operated manually too, it was one of the few things OceanGate actually seemed to know wasn't 100% reliable, and the military doesn't use wireless controllers and they're also modified according to their use, not off-the-shelve merchandise.

  • @ajpisharodi
    @ajpisharodi Před 11 měsíci +23

    Both men are true legends! I remember seeing Bob on TV regularly on commercials over 30 years ago, as well as in documentaries shown in elementary school. He was talking about the Alvin and encouraging Deepwater exploration and marine biology. Cameron is a legend and deepwater expert in his own right. With his sincere passion for the ocean he ventured out from filmmaking to become a world renowned expert and record making diver without even serving in the Navy or getting university degrees for this.

  • @johnscustomsaws
    @johnscustomsaws Před 11 měsíci +30

    The fact that there are 3 possible points of failure that are all so ridiculously obvious and the CEO was warned about them multiple times by experts is actually criminal in my eyes... his arrogance was absolutely baffling to be honest...

  • @dominiquedoeslife
    @dominiquedoeslife Před 11 měsíci +16

    I think I still hold the record as youngest member of the Titanic Historical Society (from when I was a kid). Dr. Robert Ballard was my hero. I love oceanic exploration and history, and Dr. Ballard finding the Titanic was amazing to me! I begged my parents to buy me the video of Dr. Ballard finding the Titanic, which I believe was released by National Geographic. I watched that thing over and over and over again as a youngster. And when it comes to James Cameron, he is absolutely right up there with Dr. Ballard in terms of expertise. These are two of the most interesting people I’ve ever experienced, talking about deep sea exploration. I could listen to them talk forever.

    • @sevenoaksOO
      @sevenoaksOO Před 11 měsíci +2

      Totally agree with you. It's funny you've almost described my childhood and interest in Titanic to a tee! Here in the UK they showed the documentary "The Nightmare and the Dream" on ITV in 1986, and I still remember watching that and being captivated by it. Since then I've followed Bob Ballard's work and WHOI in general, and just have a huge amount of respect for his expertise in this area. I'm really glad he made the point about Alvin - and that was the first thing I thought of when seeing the news and the details of the oceangate sub. The contrast between the two vessels just tells you everything. One is a serious scientific exploration platform built by scientists and naval engineers. The other is an amateur project driven by entrepreneurs and people who frankly did not have a clue what they were doing. The ocean showed corresponding respect in each case.

    • @dominiquedoeslife
      @dominiquedoeslife Před 11 měsíci

      @@sevenoaksOO Okay, we’ve got to talk ha. That is SO cool.

    • @dominiquedoeslife
      @dominiquedoeslife Před 11 měsíci

      @@sevenoaksOO I really couldn’t agree more re nature. You disrespect her and she’ll whoop you. You cannot get around natural laws with a can do attitude and some pep. Like…follow the principles of deep ocean physics, my guy.

  • @Lover950830
    @Lover950830 Před 11 měsíci +48

    The fascinating thing is James Cameron has many experience in Marine Biology before directing Titanic. He clearly did so much research before he directed the film.

    • @GandRpictures
      @GandRpictures Před 11 měsíci +2

      James Cameron was so obsessed with the ocean that the movie Titanic was an excuse so he could have the funds to deep dive 😂😂

    • @syahmiAimann
      @syahmiAimann Před 11 měsíci

      I don’t know why but when you were talking about Marine Biology , the first person related to this came into my mind was Steven Hillenberg , Spongebob Squarepants creator

  • @thelastdragon5551
    @thelastdragon5551 Před 11 měsíci +52

    Reason why this is BIG headlines is the people’s fascination with the Titanic lore and how this tragedy is such different from your usual mass shootings or natural disaster killings (ie tornadoes). People want a different tragedy to grasp our emotions on.

    • @rodneyboehner3007
      @rodneyboehner3007 Před 11 měsíci +4

      In capitalish America, when you pay $250,000 to see the Titanic wreck, Titanic wrecks YOU!!

    • @pete6705
      @pete6705 Před 11 měsíci +4

      The race against time to save them when everyone thought they were just trapped inside was very compelling too

    • @thelastdragon5551
      @thelastdragon5551 Před 11 měsíci

      @@pete6705 Yes, very movie like. Funny I was watching The Core (2003) just a few weeks ago.

    • @markcollins5026
      @markcollins5026 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Man, people want a different tragedy to grasp, other than Biden !

    • @wadewilson8011
      @wadewilson8011 Před 11 měsíci +1

      This was a very ignorant and presumptuous comment.

  • @robinperronjones5024
    @robinperronjones5024 Před 11 měsíci +54

    There is a point that this submersible had completed many dives previously since 2021, so in theory is that James Cameron has intimated that the composite carbon fibre delaminates over time. Maybe stricter checks should have been competed between dives.

    • @JB-mb6lm
      @JB-mb6lm Před 11 měsíci +6

      Agreed

    • @yummysatay
      @yummysatay Před 11 měsíci +5

      that's what James mentioned: the Russian subs go through re-certification every 5 years which they perform checks for like maybe internal fractures or weaken joints etc. Titan had none which in part due to the length of time (years) to certify. In aviation/aerospace (flying) industries, you multiple prototypes where while one is going through checks another could still be flying. OceanGate (OG) only has one, and they depended on expeditions to fund their works.
      Perhaps the industry should do this: every company should use proven technologies for their products. When you propose new technology, a separate entity (consisting of companies and agencies) would help build and test this new technology (eg. Carbon Fiber). This way it lessen financial burden on one company.
      There is one thing to consider is that Titan has a larger hull for 5 crew than all other submersibles which has max capacity 3 crew. I wonder if this played a role in OG opting for carbon fiber which is lighter than steel or titanium.

    • @michaels9595
      @michaels9595 Před 11 měsíci +1

      from listening to this interview, just don't even use this material for deep sea submersibles. i wouldn't care how many certifications it would have. in reality, it would've probably failed all of them.

    • @yummysatay
      @yummysatay Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@michaels9595 I agree upon reading more from James Cameron youtubes. I'm learning now carbon fiber or composites are non-contiguous. The combining of filament and epoxy could form microscopic delamination which in my understanding start of failure. The earlier weakening may not even be detectable. Learn by trials. Unfortunately, the trials were actual paid expediations which had ignored warnings

    • @iamkid_a
      @iamkid_a Před 11 měsíci +1

      or they could have classed the design in the first place, which they didn't do. surely it would have failed under repeated stress tests, which is normally how these submersibles are classed

  • @The_KnY
    @The_KnY Před 11 měsíci +7

    It's sadly ironic, Stockton Rush said in an interview he wanted to be remembered as an innovator and a rule breaker. That was a similar mindset to Bruce Ismay. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and when hubris is involved like this the cost is innocent lives.

  • @MrIsomer
    @MrIsomer Před 11 měsíci +10

    Don't think I need to watch anymore videos about this disaster. These boys summed things up pretty succinctly.

  • @ssc_1
    @ssc_1 Před 11 měsíci +16

    Exactly. Aviation thinking applied to navy. I was thinking from the start why did they consult NASA for the build and not the navy

  • @jackkrauss
    @jackkrauss Před 11 měsíci +2

    Love the I-95 reference at the end.

  • @mgers75
    @mgers75 Před 11 měsíci +11

    Listening to James Cameron share his expertise on submarinal exploration and The Titanic disaster just blows my mind how sharp he is. Im probably the one person who never watched the movie from beginning to end. Ive probably seen 90% of it in bit and pieces over the years, but only half interested. But watching a National Geo doc about him exploring the wreckage years ago make me realize it was more than a big budget chick flick I alway thought it was. He is so passionate about the Titanic and he knows everyone on the ships name, he know every artifact. He got emotional when he discover so and so's mirror or clock. I bet the detail of that movie is something else.

  • @dogstar5927
    @dogstar5927 Před 11 měsíci +5

    The best, honest and realist interview and discussion about this entire sordid saga since it first started !

  • @dorothytenute2710
    @dorothytenute2710 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Two of the best in the business; most knowledgeable people on this issue

  • @randyrandy3402
    @randyrandy3402 Před 11 měsíci +9

    Prayers out to the family

  • @paulwoodford1984
    @paulwoodford1984 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Great to see the legendary Robert Ballard

  • @Nighthawk-8050
    @Nighthawk-8050 Před 11 měsíci +52

    James Cameron is an expert and a professional in the world of deep sea exploration. Stockman Rush is nothing less of an amateur a wannabe. He was a narcissist with a cavalier attitude. He'd cared more about his ego and money than his now deceased crew.

  • @corrioliseffect
    @corrioliseffect Před 11 měsíci +3

    Thank you, Jim and Bob, two of my longtime Titanic heroes!

  • @Shernks
    @Shernks Před 11 měsíci +20

    So like it seems in everything these days, the company cut corners and didn't make sure and got inspected or whatever, and out people's lives in danger. They both act like this tragedy could have been so easily avoided! Just so irresponsible that the company didn't listen to the experts. 😢

  • @Dan-mm1yl
    @Dan-mm1yl Před 11 měsíci +40

    James Cameron is a smart guy comes across as very coherent

    • @tomasinacovell4293
      @tomasinacovell4293 Před 11 měsíci

      Non, he's a POS liar!
      They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.

  • @ahill4642
    @ahill4642 Před 11 měsíci +3

    “Fail over time.” So many air disasters are described like that.

  • @shellycassidy5473
    @shellycassidy5473 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Sad thanks for sharing this

  • @heywoodjerbloume
    @heywoodjerbloume Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great interview.Thanks to both of you.

  • @christopher1884john
    @christopher1884john Před 11 měsíci +11

    Also seeing the titan being built they used glue to bond the titanium caps to the carbon fibre as soon as I saw this I didn't feel safe and I'm not even involved with this. So sad it's devestating

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Using glue oh my god 😢

    • @annikaelisaa1879
      @annikaelisaa1879 Před 11 měsíci +2

      They treated this like it was some middle school science project

  • @99baby21
    @99baby21 Před 11 měsíci +21

    One question I have is did those on the sub truly believe the carbon fiber would hold up? For example James says his friend PH Nargeolet is extremely experienced in deep sea exploration. But he still got on the sub, so I’m kind of curious how all that came about? It sounds like there was a lot of pushback on how Oceangate built their sub, but experienced divers still got onboard. I’m curious to hear what these two think about why that would’ve happened

    • @maxwellsdaemon7
      @maxwellsdaemon7 Před 11 měsíci +2

      I wonder if anyone has asked if James Cameron tried to talk his friend the French explorer out of doing the dive. He must have been aware that Mr. Nargeolet was joining this trip.

    • @nabicookie
      @nabicookie Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@maxwellsdaemon7 i imagine he probably did try to talk his friend out of it. and i also imagine he will go the rest of his life wondering why his friend didn't listen. i liken it to trying to talk your drunk friend into giving you the keys and letting you drive. sometimes they give you the keys, and sometimes they insist on driving themselves. whatever the reason was, the french explorer (ph?) decided to go. sad though

    • @99baby21
      @99baby21 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@maxwellsdaemon7 that’s exactly what I’m wondering! i’m curious if he knew his friend was getting on this specific expedition and what his thoughts are on why his friend chose to do that

  • @GeorgeVanderveen-gk6hh
    @GeorgeVanderveen-gk6hh Před 11 měsíci +1

    Tons of respect for both Ballard and Cameron. They each appear to have the ability to not allow their quest for knowledge and information to disregard their insistence on caution and the absolute value AND importance of human lives

  • @louchieamartinez6878
    @louchieamartinez6878 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Both are legendary. ❤

  • @marthamaria2012
    @marthamaria2012 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Did any body just catch that!
    James just described the wreckage in detail without disclosing he was given images or told of debris.😮

    • @mariejae
      @mariejae Před 11 měsíci

      He had to figure out how the Titanic sank and all the pieces that came apart during the sinking. He's had a lot of experience and study since the 90s.

    • @marthamaria2012
      @marthamaria2012 Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@@mariejae he described the wreckage as if he saw it , he didn't conjure up a story or "figure it out".

  • @tuckergraham846
    @tuckergraham846 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The rush guy was into aviation… makes more sense now after hearing Cameron speak.

  • @rosenave810
    @rosenave810 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Thank you James and Robert for all your knowledge. Robert I've read all your books. Salute to your braveness explorers.

  • @TheBioExplorer
    @TheBioExplorer Před 11 měsíci +28

    Love Bob Ballard and the Alvin ... my undergrad biology senior project was on the (then) just recently discovered unique deep sea vent ecological communities. They went down to look just for minerals because nothing should have been able to live there. They didn't even have a biologist on board when it happened. High pressure... toxic water... super cold... absolute darkness. They are looking at barren sea floor... and then all of a sudden a riot of color and life. Shocked the world.

  • @ahill4642
    @ahill4642 Před 11 měsíci +13

    Two men who know their stuff.

  • @pete6705
    @pete6705 Před 11 měsíci +27

    I think the only reason Stockton built the company was because he thought he figured out a way to do deep sea exploration cheap enough to make a profit. I think he knew from the beginning that he would need to cut A LOT of corners, or it would never work financially. And he was trying to hide that saying that you have to take risks, if you worry too much about safety you shouldn't get out of bed. And he hired a young diverse group because it was "inspirational", instead of hiring older much more experienced people that he would have had to pay more. He fired the employee that complained about safety immediately, because he was going against the business plan. If he had to do years of testing and get certifications it would have cost millions and defeated the purpose of the company which was to make a profit.

    • @involuntarysoul3867
      @involuntarysoul3867 Před 11 měsíci +8

      even at $250,000/per person Oceangate still operated at a loss, deep sea diving is a money sink

    • @faithnaidoo7647
      @faithnaidoo7647 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Stockton wanted to be remembered as an explorer who broke the rules.He fought the Sea and the Sea won.!!!😅😅

    • @Seashellsbytheseashore21
      @Seashellsbytheseashore21 Před 11 měsíci

      The company wasn’t making a profit, all the money went to gas. His big dream was to get his design credit and get the attention of big oil so he could work with them as they spend $$$$$$$$$ on robots.

    • @Seashellsbytheseashore21
      @Seashellsbytheseashore21 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@faithnaidoo7647it always does. The sea gives, and the sea takes.

    • @Ometecuhtli
      @Ometecuhtli Před 11 měsíci

      @@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Big oil? Well that's disappointing, I thought maverick innovators always preferred Lybian-rebels' plutonium.

  • @Hojiii
    @Hojiii Před 11 měsíci +3

    Great interview with knowledgable guests.

  • @slipperybeastaviationfishingsh
    @slipperybeastaviationfishingsh Před 11 měsíci +1

    I can’t say it ENOUGH SAFETY FIRST. Great video , thank for watching. At least the owner went down with his contraption. Condolences to the families in this tragedy

  • @ahill4642
    @ahill4642 Před 11 měsíci +8

    It would be interesting to hear from the engineer that walked off the job. He knew!

    • @YTRulesFromNM
      @YTRulesFromNM Před 11 měsíci +3

      Actually, he was fired.

    • @philipbooth7779
      @philipbooth7779 Před 11 měsíci

      He should have made sure it was stopped don't you think.

    • @philipbooth7779
      @philipbooth7779 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@YTRulesFromNM it doesn't say a lot for the company does it.
      They was just interested in the money.
      Which is sad

  • @marijorieholoway6783
    @marijorieholoway6783 Před 11 měsíci

    Prayers!

  • @groovybuddha667
    @groovybuddha667 Před 11 měsíci

    Very sorry for the families and thanks to James Cameron for shedding some light.

  • @stefanosoderi4152
    @stefanosoderi4152 Před 11 měsíci +5

    James Cameron is a great explorer! He entered the Titanic the way no one else has! The Funds he personally used is Amazing

  • @crissynicole7919
    @crissynicole7919 Před 11 měsíci +9

    George did such a good job of keeping his talking to a minimum so that the guest could speak the most within the allotted time. You can tell that he has many years of experience in interviewing.

  • @janmac218
    @janmac218 Před 11 měsíci +14

    I really don't get how these successful business people didn't do proper due diligence before planning a trip to the bottom of the ocean. What in the world gave them this false sense of security? It's really hard to think. Thanks for folks like James Cameron that talks about the reality of it all. Such a tragedy.

    • @mariatapkova5914
      @mariatapkova5914 Před 11 měsíci +3

      They probably did but didn't understand technical details. That's why commercial dives shouldn't be classified as experimental unless they have humans as lab rats which seems to have been the case.

    • @michaels9595
      @michaels9595 Před 11 měsíci +2

      sadly, probably the impeccable safety record of deep sea submersibles. And the fact that oceangate had had numerous successful dives up until that point.

    • @janmac218
      @janmac218 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@mariatapkova5914 It's all so sad. That said, there was the French Explorer on board that obviously didn't find any fault with the Titan. I guess we can't romanticize the adventure over the reality of the danger. Very tough and sad ending no matter how you see it. May they all rest in Peace.

    • @mariatapkova5914
      @mariatapkova5914 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@janmac218 yeah well you're probably right. It's sad, it's unbelievable.

    • @Ometecuhtli
      @Ometecuhtli Před 11 měsíci +1

      I don't think Nargeolet (the French explorer) did know much about the difference between composite materials and metal in deep ocean exploration to make a judgement, so he went with what common sense dictated i.e. that Oceangate had capable people and good engineering for the task. He must have been eager to show his beloved Titanic to the laymen who probably were just as passionate (if you've seen their videos there's _citizen explorers_ crying from joy at the experience), but unfortunately paid the price of an experimental vessel alongside the other occupants.

  • @bettymiller1929
    @bettymiller1929 Před 11 měsíci +10

    I heard report early on that they captured audio of the men panicking before the implosion.

    • @Nighthawk-8050
      @Nighthawk-8050 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Yeah I heard about that report just now

    • @richardcline1337
      @richardcline1337 Před 11 měsíci +9

      When that contraption imploded I seriously doubt they had time to even blink an eye much less panic before they were turned into vapor.

    • @presumed_guilty
      @presumed_guilty Před 11 měsíci +4

      It was my understanding there is no audio relay just text messages

    • @milkbread5036
      @milkbread5036 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@presumed_guilty yes another failure of theirs was the only form of communication with the surface was bluetooth starlink and text messages... that all went out when the implosion happened. Their sensor went off that the hull was damaged and they were going to ascend and then boom.

    • @yasmin5644
      @yasmin5644 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Have they found the bodies yet

  • @Ccc-pv9gd
    @Ccc-pv9gd Před 11 měsíci +20

    May the mother of her son receive our prayers. God bless him and all who perished.

    • @Ron4885
      @Ron4885 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Yes. I agree.

  • @Dust_andAshes
    @Dust_andAshes Před 11 měsíci +28

    I admire the frankness of both Cameron and Ballard. They don't mince words; they've been to the unforgiving remains of Titanic, and they know the fickleness of the ocean.

  • @CherylRayment-ec3ke
    @CherylRayment-ec3ke Před 11 měsíci

    So nice to hear from the man who found her. Both know what they are talking about

  • @seldindzananovic
    @seldindzananovic Před 11 měsíci

    I can't wait to see the investigation

  • @barumbadum
    @barumbadum Před 11 měsíci +5

    Cameron is great here...respect!

  • @RosebudKane41
    @RosebudKane41 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Two of my favorite people. 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @gaynorpatterson2915
    @gaynorpatterson2915 Před měsícem

    I love listening to Bob Ballard. Whenever I want to watch a documentary on Titanic he’s my go to guy.

  • @susanbaker2021
    @susanbaker2021 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I really admire Bob Ballard ,he found Titanic and never removed anything from the debris site ,he is a great man.I also admire James Cameron both insight from these men are just spot on ...I would have faith to travel to Titanic wreck with either one ..I could talk with them for hours over their personal experience with their Titanic journeys ❤

  • @fswatyahoocom
    @fswatyahoocom Před 11 měsíci +1

    sad but a blessing that they did not suffer

  • @marklchapman2785
    @marklchapman2785 Před 11 měsíci

    The funny thing is when I was doing the Titanic with Jim. He told me about going down on the sub so many times and he actually had a phobia of being underwater. He is an amazing person and a great director and a good friend.

  • @bennyblizzard
    @bennyblizzard Před 11 měsíci +3

    When I first got the news about this yesterday, I wondered what James cameron and Robert Ballard were going to say

  • @sinan_3384
    @sinan_3384 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Interesting in that news story about Oceangate ABC ran back in November, Rush had mentioned that the vessel was designed in collaboration with Boeing and NASA and here Cameron says they applied aviation thinking to a deep submergence engineering problem.

  • @maureencora1
    @maureencora1 Před 11 měsíci

    Like the Saying an Accident Just Waiting to Happen. Sad. May They R.I.P.

  • @amberhopeofficial7818
    @amberhopeofficial7818 Před 11 měsíci +5

    James always keeps it real He is an expert he knows what he is talking bout .

  • @nancynourmand5700
    @nancynourmand5700 Před 11 měsíci +6

    So sad 😢

  • @josieackerman3842
    @josieackerman3842 Před 11 měsíci

    Very sad

  • @eshikaudayanawanigasekara
    @eshikaudayanawanigasekara Před 11 měsíci +1

    😢 from 🇱🇰 . Sorry for lost souls tragic accident.

  • @greendragon4058
    @greendragon4058 Před 11 měsíci +20

    Love Bob Ballard I got all those books, he's a credible person. The terrific accident turn the family's in the Coast Guard and everybody involved

    • @philipbooth7779
      @philipbooth7779 Před 11 měsíci +2

      He is the only person I would go down with a true professional.

    • @philipbooth7779
      @philipbooth7779 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I didn't realise he was 80. He looks well.

    • @greendragon4058
      @greendragon4058 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@philipbooth7779 he gives himself in really good shape he still likes to dive. Yeah I couldn't wait to hear what he had to say I like him guess that's a big man does for you

    • @philipbooth7779
      @philipbooth7779 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@greendragon4058 I like him as well I always have.
      Some people you just like from the start he is one of them.

  • @Ndhaha
    @Ndhaha Před 11 měsíci +1

    I also think that the submarine can only be used once, if used a second time it is fragile due to the strong water pressure. The first pressure doesn't damage it but it starts to get brittle and the next pressure is fatal because it's already brittle... The longer it is exposed to pressure the more fragile the submarine. So the submarine can only be used once and not for multiple times.

  • @thomasmacbride8006
    @thomasmacbride8006 Před 11 měsíci

    It's interesting bob mentioned the porthole because I saw a video off that sub on a previous trip and I noticed a drop off water coming from the edge off the porthole

  • @moreadventure3627
    @moreadventure3627 Před 11 měsíci +7

    There better interviews with these 2 gentlemen with good questions and more depths. Check them out

  • @FlambartPhotography
    @FlambartPhotography Před 11 měsíci

    How different are the Marianna's Trench and this part of the ocean? The Lost City Hydrothermal Field is it near the Titanic area?

  • @jacobeestrickland8235
    @jacobeestrickland8235 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Incase there’s any confusion….
    Dr. Robert Ballard is the expert here, that man and his team(s)respectfully found: The Battleship Bismarck, The USS Scorpion, The USS Thresher,The USS Yorktown Aircraft Carrier, and of course the RMS Titanic.
    He also discovered HydroThermal Vents, before Finding any of these ships.
    Don’t get me wrong I love James Cameron, he’s a very smart dude and has a eagerness for exploration.
    The whole reason he wrote the movie was to have an expedition payed for by Hollywood.
    but that doesn’t change the fact that Ballard is THE Expert here.

  • @marklchapman2785
    @marklchapman2785 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Jim Cameron, Jimbo, you are a legend, much respect, Mark Lindsay, Chapman

  • @re9246
    @re9246 Před 11 měsíci +1

    The fact they hand ratcheted the front dome on without a torque wrench or pneumatic tool may play a factor as well

  • @michaelbarrett5149
    @michaelbarrett5149 Před 11 měsíci

    My thoughts and prayers are with james cameron♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

  • @maximilianarturo2428
    @maximilianarturo2428 Před 11 měsíci +6

    The sadness and disgust on James Cameron’s face tells it all. He knew it was a disaster waiting to happen and the fact they continued anyhow and the innocent lives lost that placed trust in the flawed and arrogant captain decisions. 😢

  • @edwindelacruz7357
    @edwindelacruz7357 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Stress test could have been done before using!

    • @bryanohoiledjaan2063
      @bryanohoiledjaan2063 Před 11 měsíci

      Titan has been tested and used for several times but I think they overlooked the cumulative damage from those tests and dives.

  • @dr.harryballsackiii6733
    @dr.harryballsackiii6733 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Amazing......The RMS Titanic sank 111 years ago and she is still claiming lives to this day.

  • @billkittleman9631
    @billkittleman9631 Před 3 měsíci

    Mr. Rush truly had an adventurous spirit and that’s certainly admirable, but listening to James it would seem that the one critical factor that Stockton may very well have not considered was his vehicle’s potential to fail after many many dives

  • @kayjonquil6977
    @kayjonquil6977 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Stockton rush was a major head case

  • @oceanriccard
    @oceanriccard Před 11 měsíci

    Does anyone know which vessel operated the ROV that found the debris of the titan? How long were they searching for before they found it?

  • @Thunderbird-cs2cz
    @Thunderbird-cs2cz Před 10 měsíci

    I LOVE Dr. Ballard! He's my hero

  • @brendansheehan1078
    @brendansheehan1078 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Diving in Alvin is safer than driving on I 95 - Bob Ballard