James Cameron is perfect example when you say someone is an expert in the field. The way he explains things gives you full understanding of the subject.
James is an explorer that makes great movies as his day job (that’s one of the big reasons why he made Titanic in the first place as he said many times).
You can sense how furious James Cameron is. He has more than enough experience as explorer and inventor to understand and appreciate what is needed for such submersible. Problem is Rush was arrogant enough to not listen to anyone.
Kids dont know that Robert Ballard is a Deep sea legend. Everyone on here is talking about James Cameron. But it was Bob who actually FOUND Titanic and SEVERAL other "lost" sunken vessels and crafts. Its epic to have BOTH these guys give their opinions and viewpoints of this AVOIDABLE tragedy. It's like having Michael Jordan and Lebron James being interviewed on basketball expertise.
@@paulwoodford1984 To be fair to Cameron, Ballard is somewhat reserved, even introverted at times when it comes to wrecks and the such. I think because he dealt with classified stuff and his beliefs of leaving the Titanic alone.
I’m 40 but didn’t know who Mr. Ballard is so I must be a kid! (I’m an elder millennial and was a teenager when Titanic came out, so yes, I only know about Cameron). Many people have educated me since on what a legend Ballard is and he sounds like a well-spoken articulate man, but so is Cameron and I can appreciate both of their perspectives on this tragedy!
@@akim2154 i am 38 and knew who ballard was when i was ten and had the vhs tape on the discovery of the titanic and the books. But at least you learnt an bout him. I knew about cameron a bit later when i saw the epic 1997 titanic film. As a titanic fan that whole film was phenomenal to me back then. saw it fifty times in four years or so lol. both are very knowledgeable but i hope more people learn about ballard.
@@narutonutty and that's what is absolutely baffling about all this. Because Hamish Harding also had a good amount of experience with very deep dives, not with the titanic, but he had been down the Marianna trench (Cameron was the first to go down there back in 2012). So for all the talk about 'obvious' concerns, those two apparently didn't seem to see any issues...
@@narutonutty PH Nargeolet, it's 35 dives with submarines to see the wreck of the Titanic, the very first time in 1987. The 36th time in 2023 was fatal for him.
I think it's great that James Cameron is being consulted as an engineer and deep sea explorer, not as a filmmaker. Very few people have the level of experience and expertise that he does.
They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.
What should horrify people is that Boeing-the people who brought you the 737 Max-provided technical consultation on using carbon fiber for the hull of the sub from their experience of using it on their jet fuselages. There are thousands of jets in service now with carbon fiber fuselages which experience cyclic loading that experience fatigue waiting for the same fate as Oceangate's Titan. Tic, tic, tic...Happy travels, everyone!!
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks How much more vocal can the deep see exploration be than a letter from veterans in the field IMPLORING Oceongate to have their sub certified? It was clear by then that no amount of pleading would've convinced Stockton. He was set in his ways and he got innocents killed because of that.
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks That Rush guy was warned many times, from industry experts and he didn't listen to them, even sued a former employee who the company fired after he brought up safety problems with the design.
@@annamorris7097 Most likely not. The REAL submersibles are certified and have been since they were built, Alvin has been in service since 1964 and was built by General Mills Electronics (a division of the cereal company) and it's still being used. Everyone else seems to take themselves seriously, OceanGate did not.
These two men are the epitome of knowledge, experience and education in underwater exploration. Thank you both for your dedication to the exploration of Titanic and hope future endeavors will heed your advice and expertise.
I still remember watching Ballard when he found Titantic and KMS Bismarck. Dude is an absolutely legend. The Jacques Cousteau of deep sea wreck discovery and exploration. James Cameron is also highly under-appreciated for his massive contributions to the deep sea and exploratory community. His documentaries on Titanic and Bismarck are just as riveting as National Geographics were on Ballard discovering both wrecks and provides even more insight and information.
The founder of the titanic wreck, and the Director of the epic Titanic film as well as submersible explorer. It’s awesome to see two Titanic legends, side-by-side.
It’s not the first time a non certified submersible has gone that far. James admitted himself that the challenger deep wasn’t certified. Difference was, it was a single occupant and only he was in it. He wasn’t selling seats to the public.
Yup, he wasn't planning on doing it every year, multiple times either, so in his case certification wouldn't have meant much, but in Oceangate's case it was avoided so they could operate a business and I doubt even after making it profitable (it's my understanding they were operating at a loss) the CEO would've pursued that path and remained the supposedly maverick and innovator, at least according to him.
@@Ometecuhtli I'm only speculating here, but with a lot of companies like that, some sponsorships, investments and "donations", not to mention deductible losses, subsidies, etc, I'd venture to say they probably made a profit off the books.
What I can't understand is how the hell did Stockton Rush convince an experienced deep sea explorer like Nargeolet to take a ride in his death trap to the Titanic?
Because Stockton truly believed he had something good going, and I guess Nargeolet thought their previous successful dives were enough to give it a go. Oh well. . .
He was an expert on the Titanic, not vessel safety. He likely believed in Rush's confidence, like many others. Lesson is to always do your own research and ensure you are in certified vessels or vehicles.
Well there are people who trust their Tesla will drive them safely to their destination without intervention, so trusting a industry where there haven't been a single human loss in deep sea exploration for half a century, even if he's an expert on Titanic (but not vessel design) is not a stretch.
Never underestimate the power of clear communication. Cameron exemplifies it , it’s a major part of his success as he explains to actors, set designers, CGI guys exactly how he wants something in a way that’s easy to understand. He must’ve assumed common sense would kick in and the company would wait for certification.
Have been waiting to hear what Robert Ballard and James Cameron have to say about this. Bob Ballard is a TRUE legend and many look up to him. I will never forget when he discovered the TITANIC and will never get tired of listening to his stories of deep sea exploration
James Cameron has done 33 dives to the titanic, along with documentaries on the ocean, he’s absolutely right, he has the right knowledge, Ocean Gate needed to get their submersible certified, heartbroken for the 5 passengers who lost their lives.
People have a right to be angry with him but I think ‘egomaniac’ is probably a more accurate term, end of the day he was still a human being and deserves some respect especially in death, he wasn’t an evil man just very reckless and stupid which is what he will be known for when we tell the history of this tragedy.
The titan would have been ok for much shallower depths. I think the view port was rated for 1.3km. They are going well over twice it’s rated depth. Absolutely insane. Either the hill collapsed or the port hole blew out.
I've followed his career since The Terminator, and in learning about him over the years, he's actually an engineer, scientist, inventor, explorer first. Filmmaking is just a hobby. How lucky are we to have him make films too!
I've been waiting for interviews of Bob Ballard and James Cameron about this tragedy. Great interviews. Ironically, our movies have a tendency to glorify the Han Solo "fly by the seat of your pants" adventure types, but in reality, the adventurers/explorers that survive are the ones that plan for the safest vessels/vehicles to accomplish their missions. Bob Ballard and James Cameron are no "Han Solo" types. They are professional and experienced explorers who choose the side of caution, not recklessness.
I love how candid these two legends are, always great to hear from them. It's just crazy to think Stockton Rush was doing what he was without consulting more experts in the field, it was both reckless and arrogant.
It's so refreshing to hear older, experienced people who actually KNOW what the hell they are talking about, instead of the usual bullshit panel (typical of news media these days) offering their useless, baseless suppositions about possible outcomes. Thanks for posting. RIP to all aboard the sub. Terrible situation.
Notice both said "friends at the navy notified us of the crush sound. We knew what happened"... The Coast Guard obviously had to make sure, but I wish it had been more clearly explained in the beginning.
I knew my fellow Canadian Mr. Cameron is a genius, ( especially in movie making), but I had no idea how much involved and how much he knew about the titan. Every word that comes out his mouth is gold!
He’s been interested in ocean exploration since a kid. In the Deepsea challenger documentary he says really the reason he does filmmaking is to fund his ocean exploration missions. People get too wrapped up in what people do for work and just see him as a film director when really he’s an explorer that occasionally does movies.
Thanks to Oceangate and their catastrophe and Listening to James Cameron .I'm studying crazy things I never pay attention to in school like hydrosphere,composites of metal and Entropy 😁😁😁👍👍
Both men are true legends! I remember seeing Bob on TV regularly on commercials over 30 years ago, as well as in documentaries shown in elementary school. He was talking about the Alvin and encouraging Deepwater exploration and marine biology. Cameron is a legend and deepwater expert in his own right. With his sincere passion for the ocean he ventured out from filmmaking to become a world renowned expert and record making diver without even serving in the Navy or getting university degrees for this.
I think I still hold the record as youngest member of the Titanic Historical Society (from when I was a kid). Dr. Robert Ballard was my hero. I love oceanic exploration and history, and Dr. Ballard finding the Titanic was amazing to me! I begged my parents to buy me the video of Dr. Ballard finding the Titanic, which I believe was released by National Geographic. I watched that thing over and over and over again as a youngster. And when it comes to James Cameron, he is absolutely right up there with Dr. Ballard in terms of expertise. These are two of the most interesting people I’ve ever experienced, talking about deep sea exploration. I could listen to them talk forever.
Totally agree with you. It's funny you've almost described my childhood and interest in Titanic to a tee! Here in the UK they showed the documentary "The Nightmare and the Dream" on ITV in 1986, and I still remember watching that and being captivated by it. Since then I've followed Bob Ballard's work and WHOI in general, and just have a huge amount of respect for his expertise in this area. I'm really glad he made the point about Alvin - and that was the first thing I thought of when seeing the news and the details of the oceangate sub. The contrast between the two vessels just tells you everything. One is a serious scientific exploration platform built by scientists and naval engineers. The other is an amateur project driven by entrepreneurs and people who frankly did not have a clue what they were doing. The ocean showed corresponding respect in each case.
@@sevenoaksOO I really couldn’t agree more re nature. You disrespect her and she’ll whoop you. You cannot get around natural laws with a can do attitude and some pep. Like…follow the principles of deep ocean physics, my guy.
I said the same thing to my Aunt. I couldn't get inside something like that and go deep down into the ocean under the control of a gaming device. I couldn't fathom it.
Game controllers are industry standard, and are used in the military as well, because they are very intuitive and work reliably. Notably this fact wasn’t mentioned in the interview because James and Bob didn’t find it relevant to the topic, and didn’t consider it as a failure point for the same reasons
It could be operated manually too, it was one of the few things OceanGate actually seemed to know wasn't 100% reliable, and the military doesn't use wireless controllers and they're also modified according to their use, not off-the-shelve merchandise.
Listening to James Cameron share his expertise on submarinal exploration and The Titanic disaster just blows my mind how sharp he is. Im probably the one person who never watched the movie from beginning to end. Ive probably seen 90% of it in bit and pieces over the years, but only half interested. But watching a National Geo doc about him exploring the wreckage years ago make me realize it was more than a big budget chick flick I alway thought it was. He is so passionate about the Titanic and he knows everyone on the ships name, he know every artifact. He got emotional when he discover so and so's mirror or clock. I bet the detail of that movie is something else.
The fascinating thing is James Cameron has many experience in Marine Biology before directing Titanic. He clearly did so much research before he directed the film.
I don’t know why but when you were talking about Marine Biology , the first person related to this came into my mind was Steven Hillenberg , Spongebob Squarepants creator
Reason why this is BIG headlines is the people’s fascination with the Titanic lore and how this tragedy is such different from your usual mass shootings or natural disaster killings (ie tornadoes). People want a different tragedy to grasp our emotions on.
There is a point that this submersible had completed many dives previously since 2021, so in theory is that James Cameron has intimated that the composite carbon fibre delaminates over time. Maybe stricter checks should have been competed between dives.
that's what James mentioned: the Russian subs go through re-certification every 5 years which they perform checks for like maybe internal fractures or weaken joints etc. Titan had none which in part due to the length of time (years) to certify. In aviation/aerospace (flying) industries, you multiple prototypes where while one is going through checks another could still be flying. OceanGate (OG) only has one, and they depended on expeditions to fund their works. Perhaps the industry should do this: every company should use proven technologies for their products. When you propose new technology, a separate entity (consisting of companies and agencies) would help build and test this new technology (eg. Carbon Fiber). This way it lessen financial burden on one company. There is one thing to consider is that Titan has a larger hull for 5 crew than all other submersibles which has max capacity 3 crew. I wonder if this played a role in OG opting for carbon fiber which is lighter than steel or titanium.
from listening to this interview, just don't even use this material for deep sea submersibles. i wouldn't care how many certifications it would have. in reality, it would've probably failed all of them.
@@michaels9595 I agree upon reading more from James Cameron youtubes. I'm learning now carbon fiber or composites are non-contiguous. The combining of filament and epoxy could form microscopic delamination which in my understanding start of failure. The earlier weakening may not even be detectable. Learn by trials. Unfortunately, the trials were actual paid expediations which had ignored warnings
or they could have classed the design in the first place, which they didn't do. surely it would have failed under repeated stress tests, which is normally how these submersibles are classed
It's sadly ironic, Stockton Rush said in an interview he wanted to be remembered as an innovator and a rule breaker. That was a similar mindset to Bruce Ismay. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and when hubris is involved like this the cost is innocent lives.
The fact that there are 3 possible points of failure that are all so ridiculously obvious and the CEO was warned about them multiple times by experts is actually criminal in my eyes... his arrogance was absolutely baffling to be honest...
Non, he's a POS liar! They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.
So like it seems in everything these days, the company cut corners and didn't make sure and got inspected or whatever, and out people's lives in danger. They both act like this tragedy could have been so easily avoided! Just so irresponsible that the company didn't listen to the experts. 😢
James Cameron is an expert and a professional in the world of deep sea exploration. Stockman Rush is nothing less of an amateur a wannabe. He was a narcissist with a cavalier attitude. He'd cared more about his ego and money than his now deceased crew.
Tons of respect for both Ballard and Cameron. They each appear to have the ability to not allow their quest for knowledge and information to disregard their insistence on caution and the absolute value AND importance of human lives
I can’t say it ENOUGH SAFETY FIRST. Great video , thank for watching. At least the owner went down with his contraption. Condolences to the families in this tragedy
Also seeing the titan being built they used glue to bond the titanium caps to the carbon fibre as soon as I saw this I didn't feel safe and I'm not even involved with this. So sad it's devestating
One question I have is did those on the sub truly believe the carbon fiber would hold up? For example James says his friend PH Nargeolet is extremely experienced in deep sea exploration. But he still got on the sub, so I’m kind of curious how all that came about? It sounds like there was a lot of pushback on how Oceangate built their sub, but experienced divers still got onboard. I’m curious to hear what these two think about why that would’ve happened
I wonder if anyone has asked if James Cameron tried to talk his friend the French explorer out of doing the dive. He must have been aware that Mr. Nargeolet was joining this trip.
@@maxwellsdaemon7 i imagine he probably did try to talk his friend out of it. and i also imagine he will go the rest of his life wondering why his friend didn't listen. i liken it to trying to talk your drunk friend into giving you the keys and letting you drive. sometimes they give you the keys, and sometimes they insist on driving themselves. whatever the reason was, the french explorer (ph?) decided to go. sad though
@@maxwellsdaemon7 that’s exactly what I’m wondering! i’m curious if he knew his friend was getting on this specific expedition and what his thoughts are on why his friend chose to do that
Love Bob Ballard and the Alvin ... my undergrad biology senior project was on the (then) just recently discovered unique deep sea vent ecological communities. They went down to look just for minerals because nothing should have been able to live there. They didn't even have a biologist on board when it happened. High pressure... toxic water... super cold... absolute darkness. They are looking at barren sea floor... and then all of a sudden a riot of color and life. Shocked the world.
I think the only reason Stockton built the company was because he thought he figured out a way to do deep sea exploration cheap enough to make a profit. I think he knew from the beginning that he would need to cut A LOT of corners, or it would never work financially. And he was trying to hide that saying that you have to take risks, if you worry too much about safety you shouldn't get out of bed. And he hired a young diverse group because it was "inspirational", instead of hiring older much more experienced people that he would have had to pay more. He fired the employee that complained about safety immediately, because he was going against the business plan. If he had to do years of testing and get certifications it would have cost millions and defeated the purpose of the company which was to make a profit.
The company wasn’t making a profit, all the money went to gas. His big dream was to get his design credit and get the attention of big oil so he could work with them as they spend $$$$$$$$$ on robots.
George did such a good job of keeping his talking to a minimum so that the guest could speak the most within the allotted time. You can tell that he has many years of experience in interviewing.
I really don't get how these successful business people didn't do proper due diligence before planning a trip to the bottom of the ocean. What in the world gave them this false sense of security? It's really hard to think. Thanks for folks like James Cameron that talks about the reality of it all. Such a tragedy.
They probably did but didn't understand technical details. That's why commercial dives shouldn't be classified as experimental unless they have humans as lab rats which seems to have been the case.
sadly, probably the impeccable safety record of deep sea submersibles. And the fact that oceangate had had numerous successful dives up until that point.
@@mariatapkova5914 It's all so sad. That said, there was the French Explorer on board that obviously didn't find any fault with the Titan. I guess we can't romanticize the adventure over the reality of the danger. Very tough and sad ending no matter how you see it. May they all rest in Peace.
I don't think Nargeolet (the French explorer) did know much about the difference between composite materials and metal in deep ocean exploration to make a judgement, so he went with what common sense dictated i.e. that Oceangate had capable people and good engineering for the task. He must have been eager to show his beloved Titanic to the laymen who probably were just as passionate (if you've seen their videos there's _citizen explorers_ crying from joy at the experience), but unfortunately paid the price of an experimental vessel alongside the other occupants.
I admire the frankness of both Cameron and Ballard. They don't mince words; they've been to the unforgiving remains of Titanic, and they know the fickleness of the ocean.
I really admire Bob Ballard ,he found Titanic and never removed anything from the debris site ,he is a great man.I also admire James Cameron both insight from these men are just spot on ...I would have faith to travel to Titanic wreck with either one ..I could talk with them for hours over their personal experience with their Titanic journeys ❤
@@presumed_guilty yes another failure of theirs was the only form of communication with the surface was bluetooth starlink and text messages... that all went out when the implosion happened. Their sensor went off that the hull was damaged and they were going to ascend and then boom.
The funny thing is when I was doing the Titanic with Jim. He told me about going down on the sub so many times and he actually had a phobia of being underwater. He is an amazing person and a great director and a good friend.
Interesting in that news story about Oceangate ABC ran back in November, Rush had mentioned that the vessel was designed in collaboration with Boeing and NASA and here Cameron says they applied aviation thinking to a deep submergence engineering problem.
@@philipbooth7779 he gives himself in really good shape he still likes to dive. Yeah I couldn't wait to hear what he had to say I like him guess that's a big man does for you
Incase there’s any confusion…. Dr. Robert Ballard is the expert here, that man and his team(s)respectfully found: The Battleship Bismarck, The USS Scorpion, The USS Thresher,The USS Yorktown Aircraft Carrier, and of course the RMS Titanic. He also discovered HydroThermal Vents, before Finding any of these ships. Don’t get me wrong I love James Cameron, he’s a very smart dude and has a eagerness for exploration. The whole reason he wrote the movie was to have an expedition payed for by Hollywood. but that doesn’t change the fact that Ballard is THE Expert here.
It's interesting bob mentioned the porthole because I saw a video off that sub on a previous trip and I noticed a drop off water coming from the edge off the porthole
The sadness and disgust on James Cameron’s face tells it all. He knew it was a disaster waiting to happen and the fact they continued anyhow and the innocent lives lost that placed trust in the flawed and arrogant captain decisions. 😢
I also think that the submarine can only be used once, if used a second time it is fragile due to the strong water pressure. The first pressure doesn't damage it but it starts to get brittle and the next pressure is fatal because it's already brittle... The longer it is exposed to pressure the more fragile the submarine. So the submarine can only be used once and not for multiple times.
Indeed I think that remark from James was a way of distancing himself from PH, that they had a shared interest but two very different ideas about how they went about it. It's a tough one, though, as PH was, I'm sure, just trying to make a living around something he loved.
Very few bodies made it to the bottom, if Vaasa with human remains still in it was an archaelogical site what makes Titanic a gravesite if there isn't a single drop of human DNA in the whole of it?
Dr Ballard discovered the Titanic wreck and the Bismarck, he discovered the wrecks of the USS Thresher and Scorpion. He's a legend in the field and wrote the book on ROV exploration, I've got one of them.
Mr. Rush truly had an adventurous spirit and that’s certainly admirable, but listening to James it would seem that the one critical factor that Stockton may very well have not considered was his vehicle’s potential to fail after many many dives
James Cameron is perfect example when you say someone is an expert in the field. The way he explains things gives you full understanding of the subject.
Unfortunately, the Ocean Gate CEO wouldn’t have listened to him. He wanted “yes men” around him.
@@jjayguy23Even if Cameron warn Stockman about the dangers of his sub. It would be one ear out the other. Exactly 💯
James is an explorer that makes great movies as his day job (that’s one of the big reasons why he made Titanic in the first place as he said many times).
James is true film maker and explorer
Robert Ballard is an even bigger expert. he’s a legend
You can sense how furious James Cameron is. He has more than enough experience as explorer and inventor to understand and appreciate what is needed for such submersible. Problem is Rush was arrogant enough to not listen to anyone.
Exactly 💯
Gee, do you think the passengers deserve a refund after what happened?
@@rodneyboehner3007 they agreed to dive on that sub despite being warned
@@aserv05 So, does that mean they're not getting their money back?
@@rodneyboehner3007 we didn't see the terms of the agreement, if they had life insurance maybe their families would get some money out of it
Kids dont know that Robert Ballard is a Deep sea legend. Everyone on here is talking about James Cameron. But it was Bob who actually FOUND Titanic and SEVERAL other "lost" sunken vessels and crafts. Its epic to have BOTH these guys give their opinions and viewpoints of this AVOIDABLE tragedy.
It's like having Michael Jordan and Lebron James being interviewed on basketball expertise.
I know, it’s infuriating to see Cameron get all the praise. Robert Ballard is legendary. He is more of an expert than james
Stupendous analogy.
@@paulwoodford1984 To be fair to Cameron, Ballard is somewhat reserved, even introverted at times when it comes to wrecks and the such. I think because he dealt with classified stuff and his beliefs of leaving the Titanic alone.
I’m 40 but didn’t know who Mr. Ballard is so I must be a kid! (I’m an elder millennial and was a teenager when Titanic came out, so yes, I only know about Cameron). Many people have educated me since on what a legend Ballard is and he sounds like a well-spoken articulate man, but so is Cameron and I can appreciate both of their perspectives on this tragedy!
@@akim2154 i am 38 and knew who ballard was when i was ten and had the vhs tape on the discovery of the titanic and the books. But at least you learnt an bout him. I knew about cameron a bit later when i saw the epic 1997 titanic film. As a titanic fan that whole film was phenomenal to me back then. saw it fifty times in four years or so lol. both are very knowledgeable but i hope more people learn about ballard.
James Cameron and Dr Ballard are probably the two most knowledgeable people about the Titanic and submersible deep diving
PH Nargeolet was the other legend when it's comes to deep sea titanic exploration
@@narutonutty and that's what is absolutely baffling about all this. Because Hamish Harding also had a good amount of experience with very deep dives, not with the titanic, but he had been down the Marianna trench (Cameron was the first to go down there back in 2012). So for all the talk about 'obvious' concerns, those two apparently didn't seem to see any issues...
@@narutonutty PH Nargeolet, it's 35 dives with submarines to see the wreck of the Titanic, the very first time in 1987.
The 36th time in 2023 was fatal for him.
Perhaps Ballard and Cameron together can dive to the site to see Titan and Titanic, and pay homage to their lost friends.
@@Trekki200James wasn’t the first to go to challenger deep. He was the first to do it solo.
I think it's great that James Cameron is being consulted as an engineer and deep sea explorer, not as a filmmaker. Very few people have the level of experience and expertise that he does.
I agree. He is very impressive. I find him to be a fascinating human being
They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.
Thanks to him for his expertises. It's sad imagining how they died. They didn't even have the time to think.
@@tomasinacovell4293 the operation and procedures would still be the same what ever the outcome.
What should horrify people is that Boeing-the people who brought you the 737 Max-provided technical consultation on using carbon fiber for the hull of the sub from their experience of using it on their jet fuselages. There are thousands of jets in service now with carbon fiber fuselages which experience cyclic loading that experience fatigue waiting for the same fate as Oceangate's Titan. Tic, tic, tic...Happy travels, everyone!!
You can see the anger in James' eyes, he knows this could have been prevented and didn't have to happen and he lost friends as a result.
Then he should have warned people and been more vocal the last 14 years, don't you think?
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks How much more vocal can the deep see exploration be than a letter from veterans in the field IMPLORING Oceongate to have their sub certified? It was clear by then that no amount of pleading would've convinced Stockton. He was set in his ways and he got innocents killed because of that.
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks he and others did, but OceanGate had lawyers.
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks That Rush guy was warned many times, from industry experts and he didn't listen to them, even sued a former employee who the company fired after he brought up safety problems with the design.
@@youtubesnamingpolicysucks4:57 He warned them alright but did they listen?????
It's not brought up very often, but deep sea submersible diving had an incredible, near perfect safety record. This clown ended that.
It is a shame that other companies worldwide who do operate under strict safety regulations will be taking a hit from this incident.
@@annamorris7097 Most likely not. The REAL submersibles are certified and have been since they were built, Alvin has been in service since 1964 and was built by General Mills Electronics (a division of the cereal company) and it's still being used. Everyone else seems to take themselves seriously, OceanGate did not.
These two men are the epitome of knowledge, experience and education in underwater exploration. Thank you both for your dedication to the exploration of Titanic and hope future endeavors will heed your advice and expertise.
I admit that James Cameron just earned my respect. Up til know I arrogantly assumed he was nothing but arrogance. I stand corrected.
He actually is quite arrogant, and those that know him well say precisely that
I still remember watching Ballard when he found Titantic and KMS Bismarck. Dude is an absolutely legend. The Jacques Cousteau of deep sea wreck discovery and exploration. James Cameron is also highly under-appreciated for his massive contributions to the deep sea and exploratory community. His documentaries on Titanic and Bismarck are just as riveting as National Geographics were on Ballard discovering both wrecks and provides even more insight and information.
The founder of the titanic wreck, and the Director of the epic Titanic film as well as submersible explorer. It’s awesome to see two Titanic legends, side-by-side.
It’s not the first time a non certified submersible has gone that far. James admitted himself that the challenger deep wasn’t certified. Difference was, it was a single occupant and only he was in it. He wasn’t selling seats to the public.
Exactly. He wasn’t selling tickets to people for a tourist ride. That is the whole point
Yup, he wasn't planning on doing it every year, multiple times either, so in his case certification wouldn't have meant much, but in Oceangate's case it was avoided so they could operate a business and I doubt even after making it profitable (it's my understanding they were operating at a loss) the CEO would've pursued that path and remained the supposedly maverick and innovator, at least according to him.
@@Ometecuhtli I'm only speculating here, but with a lot of companies like that, some sponsorships, investments and "donations", not to mention deductible losses, subsidies, etc, I'd venture to say they probably made a profit off the books.
Yup. Good point.
Also, he worked with experienced engineers to build it, didn't cut corners, took their time and they did do test dives.
What I can't understand is how the hell did Stockton Rush convince an experienced deep sea explorer like Nargeolet to take a ride in his death trap to the Titanic?
Because Stockton truly believed he had something good going, and I guess Nargeolet thought their previous successful dives were enough to give it a go. Oh well. . .
He was an expert on the Titanic, not vessel safety. He likely believed in Rush's confidence, like many others. Lesson is to always do your own research and ensure you are in certified vessels or vehicles.
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Well there are people who trust their Tesla will drive them safely to their destination without intervention, so trusting a industry where there haven't been a single human loss in deep sea exploration for half a century, even if he's an expert on Titanic (but not vessel design) is not a stretch.
He was their guide
Never underestimate the power of clear communication. Cameron exemplifies it , it’s a major part of his success as he explains to actors, set designers, CGI guys exactly how he wants something in a way that’s easy to understand.
He must’ve assumed common sense would kick in and the company would wait for certification.
So true
Have been waiting to hear what Robert Ballard and James Cameron have to say about this. Bob Ballard is a TRUE legend and many look up to him. I will never forget when he discovered the TITANIC and will never get tired of listening to his stories of deep sea exploration
James Cameron has done 33 dives to the titanic, along with documentaries on the ocean, he’s absolutely right, he has the right knowledge, Ocean Gate needed to get their submersible certified, heartbroken for the 5 passengers who lost their lives.
Four passengers and one homicidal sociopath.
People have a right to be angry with him but I think ‘egomaniac’ is probably a more accurate term, end of the day he was still a human being and deserves some respect especially in death, he wasn’t an evil man just very reckless and stupid which is what he will be known for when we tell the history of this tragedy.
They couldn't get that deathtrap certified. They'd have to completely redesign and rebuild it.
The titan would have been ok for much shallower depths. I think the view port was rated for 1.3km. They are going well over twice it’s rated depth. Absolutely insane.
Either the hill collapsed or the port hole blew out.
Who knew James Cameron was so knowledgeable about engineering.
He had the record for deepest diving. He went down to challenger deep- national geographic featured
Physics major......and that is just the start
Yes, I was thinking the same. I love his analysis, that is just enough in plain English that is easily understood.
I've followed his career since The Terminator, and in learning about him over the years, he's actually an engineer, scientist, inventor, explorer first. Filmmaking is just a hobby. How lucky are we to have him make films too!
He's a genius. I respect his film his making.
Someone said that this was “a testament to the dangers of arrogance.” Absolutely spot on.
I kind of understand how the movies Titanic and Avatar was created. The director understands so much about deep water.
And the Abyss, which was his first deep under water movie, and it was awesome.
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I've been waiting for interviews of Bob Ballard and James Cameron about this tragedy. Great interviews.
Ironically, our movies have a tendency to glorify the Han Solo "fly by the seat of your pants" adventure types, but in reality, the adventurers/explorers that survive are the ones that plan for the safest vessels/vehicles to accomplish their missions. Bob Ballard and James Cameron are no "Han Solo" types. They are professional and experienced explorers who choose the side of caution, not recklessness.
I love how candid these two legends are, always great to hear from them. It's just crazy to think Stockton Rush was doing what he was without consulting more experts in the field, it was both reckless and arrogant.
It's so refreshing to hear older, experienced people who actually KNOW what the hell they are talking about, instead of the usual bullshit panel (typical of news media these days) offering their useless, baseless suppositions about possible outcomes. Thanks for posting. RIP to all aboard the sub. Terrible situation.
Notice both said "friends at the navy notified us of the crush sound. We knew what happened"...
The Coast Guard obviously had to make sure, but I wish it had been more clearly explained in the beginning.
I knew my fellow Canadian Mr. Cameron is a genius, ( especially in movie making), but I had no idea how much involved and how much he knew about the titan. Every word that comes out his mouth is gold!
I had no idea James was such a knowledgeable person in deep sea exploration, I thought it was solely for the movie.
You should see his mission in the deep sea trench.
These 2 men have gone places that just about no one else in the grand scheme of things, ever will.
Dude's only made like 4 feature films and a half-dozen documentaries about the ocean, haha.
He couldn't have done such a beautiful movie without a deep technical knowledge.
He’s been interested in ocean exploration since a kid. In the Deepsea challenger documentary he says really the reason he does filmmaking is to fund his ocean exploration missions. People get too wrapped up in what people do for work and just see him as a film director when really he’s an explorer that occasionally does movies.
Thanks to Oceangate and their catastrophe and Listening to James Cameron .I'm studying crazy things I never pay attention to in school like hydrosphere,composites of metal and Entropy 😁😁😁👍👍
Same, its fascinating. I wish I would've waited to go to college. I would've chosen a more science based major now.
@@mariejae 😁😁😁 I should have listen more to my science teacher .
Both men are true legends! I remember seeing Bob on TV regularly on commercials over 30 years ago, as well as in documentaries shown in elementary school. He was talking about the Alvin and encouraging Deepwater exploration and marine biology. Cameron is a legend and deepwater expert in his own right. With his sincere passion for the ocean he ventured out from filmmaking to become a world renowned expert and record making diver without even serving in the Navy or getting university degrees for this.
I think I still hold the record as youngest member of the Titanic Historical Society (from when I was a kid). Dr. Robert Ballard was my hero. I love oceanic exploration and history, and Dr. Ballard finding the Titanic was amazing to me! I begged my parents to buy me the video of Dr. Ballard finding the Titanic, which I believe was released by National Geographic. I watched that thing over and over and over again as a youngster. And when it comes to James Cameron, he is absolutely right up there with Dr. Ballard in terms of expertise. These are two of the most interesting people I’ve ever experienced, talking about deep sea exploration. I could listen to them talk forever.
Totally agree with you. It's funny you've almost described my childhood and interest in Titanic to a tee! Here in the UK they showed the documentary "The Nightmare and the Dream" on ITV in 1986, and I still remember watching that and being captivated by it. Since then I've followed Bob Ballard's work and WHOI in general, and just have a huge amount of respect for his expertise in this area. I'm really glad he made the point about Alvin - and that was the first thing I thought of when seeing the news and the details of the oceangate sub. The contrast between the two vessels just tells you everything. One is a serious scientific exploration platform built by scientists and naval engineers. The other is an amateur project driven by entrepreneurs and people who frankly did not have a clue what they were doing. The ocean showed corresponding respect in each case.
@@sevenoaksOO Okay, we’ve got to talk ha. That is SO cool.
@@sevenoaksOO I really couldn’t agree more re nature. You disrespect her and she’ll whoop you. You cannot get around natural laws with a can do attitude and some pep. Like…follow the principles of deep ocean physics, my guy.
Don't think I need to watch anymore videos about this disaster. These boys summed things up pretty succinctly.
This was going to happen sooner or later. I just can’t get over the fact Ocean Gate was control by a X Box controller, like seriously what the heck.
I said the same thing to my Aunt. I couldn't get inside something like that and go deep down into the ocean under the control of a gaming device. I couldn't fathom it.
Game controllers are industry standard, and are used in the military as well, because they are very intuitive and work reliably. Notably this fact wasn’t mentioned in the interview because James and Bob didn’t find it relevant to the topic, and didn’t consider it as a failure point for the same reasons
It could be operated manually too, it was one of the few things OceanGate actually seemed to know wasn't 100% reliable, and the military doesn't use wireless controllers and they're also modified according to their use, not off-the-shelve merchandise.
The best, honest and realist interview and discussion about this entire sordid saga since it first started !
Listening to James Cameron share his expertise on submarinal exploration and The Titanic disaster just blows my mind how sharp he is. Im probably the one person who never watched the movie from beginning to end. Ive probably seen 90% of it in bit and pieces over the years, but only half interested. But watching a National Geo doc about him exploring the wreckage years ago make me realize it was more than a big budget chick flick I alway thought it was. He is so passionate about the Titanic and he knows everyone on the ships name, he know every artifact. He got emotional when he discover so and so's mirror or clock. I bet the detail of that movie is something else.
The fascinating thing is James Cameron has many experience in Marine Biology before directing Titanic. He clearly did so much research before he directed the film.
James Cameron was so obsessed with the ocean that the movie Titanic was an excuse so he could have the funds to deep dive 😂😂
I don’t know why but when you were talking about Marine Biology , the first person related to this came into my mind was Steven Hillenberg , Spongebob Squarepants creator
Reason why this is BIG headlines is the people’s fascination with the Titanic lore and how this tragedy is such different from your usual mass shootings or natural disaster killings (ie tornadoes). People want a different tragedy to grasp our emotions on.
In capitalish America, when you pay $250,000 to see the Titanic wreck, Titanic wrecks YOU!!
The race against time to save them when everyone thought they were just trapped inside was very compelling too
@@pete6705 Yes, very movie like. Funny I was watching The Core (2003) just a few weeks ago.
Man, people want a different tragedy to grasp, other than Biden !
This was a very ignorant and presumptuous comment.
Two of the best in the business; most knowledgeable people on this issue
There is a point that this submersible had completed many dives previously since 2021, so in theory is that James Cameron has intimated that the composite carbon fibre delaminates over time. Maybe stricter checks should have been competed between dives.
Agreed
that's what James mentioned: the Russian subs go through re-certification every 5 years which they perform checks for like maybe internal fractures or weaken joints etc. Titan had none which in part due to the length of time (years) to certify. In aviation/aerospace (flying) industries, you multiple prototypes where while one is going through checks another could still be flying. OceanGate (OG) only has one, and they depended on expeditions to fund their works.
Perhaps the industry should do this: every company should use proven technologies for their products. When you propose new technology, a separate entity (consisting of companies and agencies) would help build and test this new technology (eg. Carbon Fiber). This way it lessen financial burden on one company.
There is one thing to consider is that Titan has a larger hull for 5 crew than all other submersibles which has max capacity 3 crew. I wonder if this played a role in OG opting for carbon fiber which is lighter than steel or titanium.
from listening to this interview, just don't even use this material for deep sea submersibles. i wouldn't care how many certifications it would have. in reality, it would've probably failed all of them.
@@michaels9595 I agree upon reading more from James Cameron youtubes. I'm learning now carbon fiber or composites are non-contiguous. The combining of filament and epoxy could form microscopic delamination which in my understanding start of failure. The earlier weakening may not even be detectable. Learn by trials. Unfortunately, the trials were actual paid expediations which had ignored warnings
or they could have classed the design in the first place, which they didn't do. surely it would have failed under repeated stress tests, which is normally how these submersibles are classed
Exactly. Aviation thinking applied to navy. I was thinking from the start why did they consult NASA for the build and not the navy
Thank you, Jim and Bob, two of my longtime Titanic heroes!
It's sadly ironic, Stockton Rush said in an interview he wanted to be remembered as an innovator and a rule breaker. That was a similar mindset to Bruce Ismay. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, and when hubris is involved like this the cost is innocent lives.
Love the I-95 reference at the end.
The fact that there are 3 possible points of failure that are all so ridiculously obvious and the CEO was warned about them multiple times by experts is actually criminal in my eyes... his arrogance was absolutely baffling to be honest...
James Cameron is a smart guy comes across as very coherent
Non, he's a POS liar!
They and Cameron knew all along they were dead and why yet didn't have the honesty and integrity to tell us the truth, and I did think they all sounded extra mealy mouthed. James Cameron has been saying he knew on Sunday that the sub was crushed. There was a recording of it imploding at the same time they lost contact and they new it all along.
Great to see the legendary Robert Ballard
So like it seems in everything these days, the company cut corners and didn't make sure and got inspected or whatever, and out people's lives in danger. They both act like this tragedy could have been so easily avoided! Just so irresponsible that the company didn't listen to the experts. 😢
James Cameron is an expert and a professional in the world of deep sea exploration. Stockman Rush is nothing less of an amateur a wannabe. He was a narcissist with a cavalier attitude. He'd cared more about his ego and money than his now deceased crew.
Sad thanks for sharing this
Great interview.Thanks to both of you.
“Fail over time.” So many air disasters are described like that.
Tons of respect for both Ballard and Cameron. They each appear to have the ability to not allow their quest for knowledge and information to disregard their insistence on caution and the absolute value AND importance of human lives
Prayers out to the family
Two men who know their stuff.
James Cameron is a great explorer! He entered the Titanic the way no one else has! The Funds he personally used is Amazing
I can’t say it ENOUGH SAFETY FIRST. Great video , thank for watching. At least the owner went down with his contraption. Condolences to the families in this tragedy
Also seeing the titan being built they used glue to bond the titanium caps to the carbon fibre as soon as I saw this I didn't feel safe and I'm not even involved with this. So sad it's devestating
Using glue oh my god 😢
They treated this like it was some middle school science project
One question I have is did those on the sub truly believe the carbon fiber would hold up? For example James says his friend PH Nargeolet is extremely experienced in deep sea exploration. But he still got on the sub, so I’m kind of curious how all that came about? It sounds like there was a lot of pushback on how Oceangate built their sub, but experienced divers still got onboard. I’m curious to hear what these two think about why that would’ve happened
I wonder if anyone has asked if James Cameron tried to talk his friend the French explorer out of doing the dive. He must have been aware that Mr. Nargeolet was joining this trip.
@@maxwellsdaemon7 i imagine he probably did try to talk his friend out of it. and i also imagine he will go the rest of his life wondering why his friend didn't listen. i liken it to trying to talk your drunk friend into giving you the keys and letting you drive. sometimes they give you the keys, and sometimes they insist on driving themselves. whatever the reason was, the french explorer (ph?) decided to go. sad though
@@maxwellsdaemon7 that’s exactly what I’m wondering! i’m curious if he knew his friend was getting on this specific expedition and what his thoughts are on why his friend chose to do that
Love Bob Ballard and the Alvin ... my undergrad biology senior project was on the (then) just recently discovered unique deep sea vent ecological communities. They went down to look just for minerals because nothing should have been able to live there. They didn't even have a biologist on board when it happened. High pressure... toxic water... super cold... absolute darkness. They are looking at barren sea floor... and then all of a sudden a riot of color and life. Shocked the world.
The rush guy was into aviation… makes more sense now after hearing Cameron speak.
Thank you James and Robert for all your knowledge. Robert I've read all your books. Salute to your braveness explorers.
Did any body just catch that!
James just described the wreckage in detail without disclosing he was given images or told of debris.😮
He had to figure out how the Titanic sank and all the pieces that came apart during the sinking. He's had a lot of experience and study since the 90s.
@@mariejae he described the wreckage as if he saw it , he didn't conjure up a story or "figure it out".
I think the only reason Stockton built the company was because he thought he figured out a way to do deep sea exploration cheap enough to make a profit. I think he knew from the beginning that he would need to cut A LOT of corners, or it would never work financially. And he was trying to hide that saying that you have to take risks, if you worry too much about safety you shouldn't get out of bed. And he hired a young diverse group because it was "inspirational", instead of hiring older much more experienced people that he would have had to pay more. He fired the employee that complained about safety immediately, because he was going against the business plan. If he had to do years of testing and get certifications it would have cost millions and defeated the purpose of the company which was to make a profit.
even at $250,000/per person Oceangate still operated at a loss, deep sea diving is a money sink
Stockton wanted to be remembered as an explorer who broke the rules.He fought the Sea and the Sea won.!!!😅😅
The company wasn’t making a profit, all the money went to gas. His big dream was to get his design credit and get the attention of big oil so he could work with them as they spend $$$$$$$$$ on robots.
@@faithnaidoo7647it always does. The sea gives, and the sea takes.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Big oil? Well that's disappointing, I thought maverick innovators always preferred Lybian-rebels' plutonium.
May the mother of her son receive our prayers. God bless him and all who perished.
Yes. I agree.
George did such a good job of keeping his talking to a minimum so that the guest could speak the most within the allotted time. You can tell that he has many years of experience in interviewing.
Great interview with knowledgable guests.
It would be interesting to hear from the engineer that walked off the job. He knew!
Actually, he was fired.
He should have made sure it was stopped don't you think.
@@YTRulesFromNM it doesn't say a lot for the company does it.
They was just interested in the money.
Which is sad
Both are legendary. ❤
Great interview.
I really don't get how these successful business people didn't do proper due diligence before planning a trip to the bottom of the ocean. What in the world gave them this false sense of security? It's really hard to think. Thanks for folks like James Cameron that talks about the reality of it all. Such a tragedy.
They probably did but didn't understand technical details. That's why commercial dives shouldn't be classified as experimental unless they have humans as lab rats which seems to have been the case.
sadly, probably the impeccable safety record of deep sea submersibles. And the fact that oceangate had had numerous successful dives up until that point.
@@mariatapkova5914 It's all so sad. That said, there was the French Explorer on board that obviously didn't find any fault with the Titan. I guess we can't romanticize the adventure over the reality of the danger. Very tough and sad ending no matter how you see it. May they all rest in Peace.
@@janmac218 yeah well you're probably right. It's sad, it's unbelievable.
I don't think Nargeolet (the French explorer) did know much about the difference between composite materials and metal in deep ocean exploration to make a judgement, so he went with what common sense dictated i.e. that Oceangate had capable people and good engineering for the task. He must have been eager to show his beloved Titanic to the laymen who probably were just as passionate (if you've seen their videos there's _citizen explorers_ crying from joy at the experience), but unfortunately paid the price of an experimental vessel alongside the other occupants.
I admire the frankness of both Cameron and Ballard. They don't mince words; they've been to the unforgiving remains of Titanic, and they know the fickleness of the ocean.
When I first got the news about this yesterday, I wondered what James cameron and Robert Ballard were going to say
Very sorry for the families and thanks to James Cameron for shedding some light.
James always keeps it real He is an expert he knows what he is talking bout .
I really admire Bob Ballard ,he found Titanic and never removed anything from the debris site ,he is a great man.I also admire James Cameron both insight from these men are just spot on ...I would have faith to travel to Titanic wreck with either one ..I could talk with them for hours over their personal experience with their Titanic journeys ❤
Cameron is great here...respect!
I love listening to Bob Ballard. Whenever I want to watch a documentary on Titanic he’s my go to guy.
So nice to hear from the man who found her. Both know what they are talking about
I heard report early on that they captured audio of the men panicking before the implosion.
Yeah I heard about that report just now
When that contraption imploded I seriously doubt they had time to even blink an eye much less panic before they were turned into vapor.
It was my understanding there is no audio relay just text messages
@@presumed_guilty yes another failure of theirs was the only form of communication with the surface was bluetooth starlink and text messages... that all went out when the implosion happened. Their sensor went off that the hull was damaged and they were going to ascend and then boom.
Have they found the bodies yet
The funny thing is when I was doing the Titanic with Jim. He told me about going down on the sub so many times and he actually had a phobia of being underwater. He is an amazing person and a great director and a good friend.
Prayers!
I can't wait to see the investigation
How different are the Marianna's Trench and this part of the ocean? The Lost City Hydrothermal Field is it near the Titanic area?
sad but a blessing that they did not suffer
Two of my favorite people. 👍🏼👍🏼
Interesting in that news story about Oceangate ABC ran back in November, Rush had mentioned that the vessel was designed in collaboration with Boeing and NASA and here Cameron says they applied aviation thinking to a deep submergence engineering problem.
Love Bob Ballard I got all those books, he's a credible person. The terrific accident turn the family's in the Coast Guard and everybody involved
He is the only person I would go down with a true professional.
I didn't realise he was 80. He looks well.
@@philipbooth7779 he gives himself in really good shape he still likes to dive. Yeah I couldn't wait to hear what he had to say I like him guess that's a big man does for you
@@greendragon4058 I like him as well I always have.
Some people you just like from the start he is one of them.
Incase there’s any confusion….
Dr. Robert Ballard is the expert here, that man and his team(s)respectfully found: The Battleship Bismarck, The USS Scorpion, The USS Thresher,The USS Yorktown Aircraft Carrier, and of course the RMS Titanic.
He also discovered HydroThermal Vents, before Finding any of these ships.
Don’t get me wrong I love James Cameron, he’s a very smart dude and has a eagerness for exploration.
The whole reason he wrote the movie was to have an expedition payed for by Hollywood.
but that doesn’t change the fact that Ballard is THE Expert here.
Does anyone know which vessel operated the ROV that found the debris of the titan? How long were they searching for before they found it?
It's interesting bob mentioned the porthole because I saw a video off that sub on a previous trip and I noticed a drop off water coming from the edge off the porthole
The sadness and disgust on James Cameron’s face tells it all. He knew it was a disaster waiting to happen and the fact they continued anyhow and the innocent lives lost that placed trust in the flawed and arrogant captain decisions. 😢
Diving in Alvin is safer than driving on I 95 - Bob Ballard
So sad 😢
I was elated that these Oligarchs bought it like that!
Like the Saying an Accident Just Waiting to Happen. Sad. May They R.I.P.
James Cameron's next movie : Titan - A Night to Remember
Futility or the implosion of the Titan
I also think that the submarine can only be used once, if used a second time it is fragile due to the strong water pressure. The first pressure doesn't damage it but it starts to get brittle and the next pressure is fatal because it's already brittle... The longer it is exposed to pressure the more fragile the submarine. So the submarine can only be used once and not for multiple times.
😢 from 🇱🇰 . Sorry for lost souls tragic accident.
There better interviews with these 2 gentlemen with good questions and more depths. Check them out
The fact they hand ratcheted the front dome on without a torque wrench or pneumatic tool may play a factor as well
Stress test could have been done before using!
Titan has been tested and used for several times but I think they overlooked the cumulative damage from those tests and dives.
Great interview of two competent experts. Rush was obviously not, why would he have gone on a ride knowing his equipment can fail any minute.
" Collecting artifacts" code for grave robbing.
Indeed I think that remark from James was a way of distancing himself from PH, that they had a shared interest but two very different ideas about how they went about it. It's a tough one, though, as PH was, I'm sure, just trying to make a living around something he loved.
Yes... I caught that....Kinda sick
@nomenclature9607 Yes it is.
Very few bodies made it to the bottom, if Vaasa with human remains still in it was an archaelogical site what makes Titanic a gravesite if there isn't a single drop of human DNA in the whole of it?
Dr Ballard discovered the Titanic wreck and the Bismarck, he discovered the wrecks of the USS Thresher and Scorpion. He's a legend in the field and wrote the book on ROV exploration, I've got one of them.
The poor kid
Mr. Rush truly had an adventurous spirit and that’s certainly admirable, but listening to James it would seem that the one critical factor that Stockton may very well have not considered was his vehicle’s potential to fail after many many dives