Forest River Messed Up Our New Trailer After Replacing The Wall | NoBo 19.3
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2022
- After having our NoBo 19.3 for only a few months, the Passenger side wall started to delaminate around the windows and bunk access door. After waiting 4 months, they sent back our trailer with doors that wouldn't shut or lock. This is the story and how I fixed their mess.
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I appreciate your video. I was considering a NOBO 19.1 until I watched this video. You saved me a lot of trouble.
Thanks. I don't know if it's a NoBo thing, so I'd be wary of Forest River and they have so many different brands they manufacture. A reputable dealer with a good warranty/service department is where it's at.
Glad I stumbled on this video, was considering a NoBo but after this will look elsewhere.
I hear the 2023s are better, but it's still early. I'd stay away from any built 2021-2022.
Good job on being in top of them otherwise they wouldn't care. The whole fix process is a nightmare for a new camper
Thanks for the video. We were considering trading our Winnebago Micro Minnie for a No Bo but after your video we will stay with what we have. We had issues with Winnebago and our dealer all of which could have been avoided had they exercised just a small amount of quality control. Our problems were nothing compared to yours. The dealers and manufactures absolutely do not care about delivering a quality product or service.
My wife's sister and husband had the micro Minnie. It's a great trailer and a very nice floorplan. I'm hearing good things about the trailers coming out this year. Quality control seems to be a lot better. The dealers are still the same, though.
I appreciated your review of the 2021 NoBo 19.3. As someone targeting the market for a Forest River NoBo 19.3 this year, 2023; it’s more than a mere heads up, to know what to look out for in terms of a new purchase.
Who knows, it may have been a bad production year; but, a bad year is no excuse for poor quality workmanship.
Thank you for the video; we’ll keep an observant eye on things.
Thank you. I do blame the production year. I've met many individuals in the last couple of years that have had issues with the 2021 years. I've also met quite a few that have had issues outside that year and it is more of a heads up of what to look for. I haven't had any issues since fixing the doors and this year(knock on wood) has been pretty trouble free. Thanks for watching!
Good to know
Dude that's a cool business ,"independent RV repair shop"!
Thanks!
Small dealers FTW! I've gone with 2 local, small dealers for my RVs to date, or used from folks I know, and have been happy. My LittleGuy dealer got several minor things fixed very, very fast. So the worry with NOBO is the ForestRiver dealers by me are large(r) -- not national dealers but still a larger dealer.
Yeah, I agree. We have a smaller Rpod dealer here that my wife's parents have bought 3 trailers from and they are always fast and thorough with their repairs. I think it's just the demand. When we had ours in, the tech said they had close to 300 trailers in for repairs and they had to have a separate facility just for storage off-site. Definitely little guys for the win.
Dang!!! I was considering buying this model....
I've heard better things about the 2023-24 models, but I'd still ask around.
im hearing horror stories about the nobo line up .. seems like a lot of people have the same issues with the company not providing communication and timely repairs in a quality manor ... shame ... they just dont make a good product that they will barely stand behind it .. thanks for the information
I haven't heard as many stories about the 2023 and up, but the 2021-2022 have had many problems.
Nice trailer but sounds like a headache. Where did you get it? Now that it’s in good shape I look forward to a trailer camping video
Thanks and yeah, it's been a wild ride on this one. We bought it at Trailer Hitch RV there in Nipomo. They were great in sales and friendly in the service dept. but they've wasted about 5 weeks of our time and it took 4 separate trips to get it done. Camping and travel videos are on their way and we have a lot planned for this summer!
@@RoadandReel ahhh.. yes.. Nipomo. Good stuff. Have an awesome day!
@@The-Sound-Explorer thanks, you too!
It's a Forest River product. What did you expect? I had one for a year and got rid of it when they pulled the same crap on me.
I get that. I just wish other companies made short tandem axle trailers. I don't care about the weight, but we need that floorplan and Forest River does it best. I'm just glad we didn't pay the crazy prices they are now.
Was the roof membrane leaking into the wall to cause it to delaminate? Have you been up to inspect the seam now that you have it back?
I don't think it was the roof. I think the window frames weren't sealed and water got trapped and the summer heat got it. The first thing I did when I got it home was scrub the roof and inspect it. Everything looks sealed (knock on wood)
I own a Forest River 25pack12 toy hauler. Forest River is the worst travel trailer you can purchase they cut Corners everywhere they can including cleaning up their messes from cutouts and sawdust. The finish on the paneling will eventually come off. Everything on the Forest River travel trailers have been pretty much half-assed.
Yeah, I started noticing all the similar issues with their other brands. I hope it gets better, but I think it's the new norm.
Any updates? Just curious if you have had any new issues with your No Bo. We have one this year too that also has a small bubble on the driver's side. Even the really spendy ones are having issues though if you watch other channels.
I haven't had anymore major issues. We do have a bubble above the fender, but it isn't getting worse. I might just have that spot fixed or try to do it myself. Our solar panel up top just quit working, so I'm going to upgrade that. You're right about other manufacturers. I have two friends that have had major issues with their trailers and a buddy whose Winnebago just lost its underbelly going down the road. I think maintenance and prevention is the key for any trailer. We're embarking on a month long 5,000 mile road trip in this one, soon and I don't have any major concerns.
@@RoadandReel Thanks. We plan to keep an eye on ours. We may have it fixed in the future. We really do like it. We're lucky to have a great local dealer that knows about our issue and is very supportive in helping us out, since we bought it used from them. Sounds like a great trip. Enjoy!
ugh!
Just bought ours 10 days ago and it's a 2022 nobo brand new and there's a bubble in side wall next to slide so upset
I'm sorry to hear that. If it's under warranty, take pictures and document it, see if they'll take care of it in the winter. Our new wall as two new bubbles in it. They haven't gotten any worse, but I'm not holding my breath.
I know this is a while ago, but what happened with your issue? Did your dealer fix it or send it back to factory? Also, was yours a Rogue river edition?
Makes me double think buying an rv
I've heard better reviews from this year's models and I think manufacturers are getting caught up with the demand. I also think prices will come way down this year.
Hearing really bad quality and customer service issues with No Bo. Totally nuts!
I haven't heard many problems with this year's new model or the model year before mine. I'm curious to see if it was just a supply chain issue due to COVID.
Curious how the NoBo has done since then. Any trouble with cabinets on the inside?
No other issues. Cabinets and walls on the inside are still good. No roof leaks. We had junk in our shower lines that I had to clean out, but everything else is still good.
@@RoadandReel good to hear - thanks!
We are real close to buying one of these but can’t find a ton of reviews. I know thousands have been sold but I’m only seeing a handful of reviews. Most of the negative ones seem to be more about forest rivers customer service than the actual trailer though. Would you buy this trailer again or go a different direction?
I would definitely buy this trailer again. Unless I can afford an Airstream or some other luxury brand, this is just part of owning a trailer. I think a person has to be handy enough to tackle most problems that come up or else your trailer will spend a lot of time at the dealership. We love our trailer. It has exactly what we need for our family. Our problem is we camp and travel every month of the year, so when a major issue comes up, it's a big inconvenience especially when the company drops the ball. My mother-in-law is on her 3rd Forest River trailer and she loves them. My brother-in-law is on his 2nd Winnebago trailer and on their first one, all the doors warped and had to be replaced. Everyone has a different story and the truth is most people have very minor issues and no complaints. Any trailer can have issues and if you are handy, you can fix most of them yourself. Forest River is sending me new doors from the assembly line and I'm going to put them in myself and that saves us about 8 weeks of waiting. We love our trailer and would definitely buy it again.
@@RoadandReel awesome, that definitely puts my mind at ease. I’ll hopefully be buying a 19.3 this weekend and it’s my first RV so I’m a little paranoid. But I’m fairly handy, should be fun to tinker with it. Love your Murphy bed idea though, I’ll be stealing that one. Thanks man! Look forward to more of your videos.
I personally own a 2021 19.6 we have full time rv'd in it for almost 2 years. I would never consider buying another trailer from NO-BO. I think they may be fine for light use like 3-4 trips a year. They are definitely not designed for heavy regular use. We have repaired nearly every system. Also yes forest river customer service is terrible. If you are looking for a weekend getaway trailer this would probably be fine.
@@dannyhyde7014 well I got the 19.3 so we’ll see. I can already tell some of the interior is cheap but that’s expected I guess from an assembly line RV from a massive manufacturer. The appliances are nice and the cheap trimming and hardware can be replaced as I go. Frankly I’m more apt to work on a cheap item than an expensive luxury one. The exterior seems to be pretty solid, I’ll probably replace the crappy corrugated bottom with something more substantial at some point and maybe eternabond the roof. I won’t be using it as heavy as you are though so I might be able to stretch the life a bit. I can tell the shower pan is probably going to be the first to go, something I need to keep an eye on
@@Jasper118 congratulations on your purchase. I really do hope you have better luck than we have had. Yes the shower is common problem, my trailer included.
We have a new 2021 16.5 NoBo, the back right rear siding is delaminating, the side door is also hard to open and close at times mainly when it's hot... Don't get me started on quality America, you don't do things right I'm going to leave it at the dealer, and get an attorney, and leave it there, I'm not even going start to talk about the brakes not working the first day off the lot, they said the fixed them, going back for that again, and all of the above.....
That's terrible. We just discovered some delamination on the same side again. I don't know what our next move is, but I'm worried about all trailers built in the last few years. Our new doors finally came in, but I'm worried about them trying to blame me for the delamination if I replace them, so I have to start making some phone calls. I don't think this is an isolated Forest River issue. I've spoken to dozens of people with different manufacturers that are having issues. Good luck and let me know how it turns out.
@@RoadandReel Talk to a lawyer, I'm not sure I'm ready to let them remove the entire side of a lemon, how about they just give us a new one......
@@RoadandReel The brakes were obviously the tell tail of more issue right out of the box....
@@RoadandReel on the bright side, think you can glue the panels back on, with wood laminated side panels they have to be concerned about mold, that's a mandatory tear out....
we are thinking of purchasing a new No-bo 19.3 would you still recommend this trailer? or has your opinion changed?
Actually, we are still really happy with this trailer. We've had a few issues, but my in-laws had delamination on their RPod, our friends have had delamination on their new Winnebago, and our other friends are doing fine in their Keystone. I think it comes down to 2021-2022 model years. I have spoken with some owners of the new 2023 models and although they are really new, they say quality is a lot better. With the different models that are out there, there's really nothing to replace our needs. I say go through a good dealer with a great service department and you will good. Almost all trailers have issues within the first year and that's where the dealer comes in. I met someone with an Airstream this summer that was facing issues with water intrusion and that was a new $120,000 trailer. The difference was Airstream offered to replace it if they couldn't get it fixed and Forest River wants me to fix my own doors. Sorry for the long answer, but yes, I would buy it again.
@@RoadandReel I'm eyeballing the 2023 19.5 or the 20.4, and now this video scares me... I plan on selling my bike and taking what I make to put toward a new TT.. I saw other vids saying anything made in 2020 or 2021 is a red flag dues to insufficient materials and supplies and things were just thrown together... The geo pro or e pro or this one are the only ones I could find that offer some sort of solar package where you can run the AC off of the batteries.. I don't intend nor expect to run it over night but at least run it some vs alot of others cannot... Your opinion, should I run from NoBo?
@@Bronco2Cj if you can find what you are looking for in another trailer I'd say go for it. Our problem is that all the other trailers we like are also made be Forest River and I think it's a manufacturing problem. Time will tell with the 2023 models, but I think they'll be made a lot better. I also think there will be PLENTY of used models coming up for sale in the next 6 mo and it's always nice to find one that has been through all the shake downs. I wouldn't say run from NoBo, but I would avoid the 2020, 2021 years like you said. And definitely go through a good dealer.
@@RoadandReel Good to know. I still have fears about used ones as well.. I"m in the same boat as you guys, the other TTs I like are also forest river products.. Keystone makes a passport model that can have the ability to be equipped with a package to run the AC off of the batts but Keystone's quality has taken a hit.. I rode by GARV yesterday and looked at a Keystone premier and the interior was super nice but when I looked at the roof, the glue/seal job for the front cap to the top of the trailer looked like shit..... I also read they are having QA/QC issues as well... I'm down to the NoBo 20.4 and the e-pro 19FDS, but I really like the NoBo so much better.. As with you guys, have you had any water intrusion with your rig? and do you know if NoBo uses aluminum or wood for their truss system? Please advise.
@@Bronco2Cj we haven't had any water intrusion and that was through a summer of monsoons in the Southwest. I believe the trusses are aluminum on these, but I'm not 100%. The 20.4 is a very nice model and I really like the floorplan, but it's not exactly right for us. I'm hoping they fix the quality control issues on these next models.
It is sad that for $25,000 plus this is the quality you get. These RV manufacturers should be held accountable for sending out crap. But as long as industry keeps buying these like this, they will continue to push it out.
It's very sad. And now it's happening more often in the higher price ranges as well.
So moral to the story don't buy forest river products
I think it's more of don't buy anything made between 2020-2022.
@@RoadandReel if it makes you feel any better I've had my new transend for a couple weeks and the decals are pealing. Had to fix 2 drawers and the freezer door and this is all before its maiden voyage at the end of this month.
@@Andrew-us2fk wow! We were thinking of upgrading to the Rockwood MiniLite, but decided against it. We are having delamination again, but we're hoping it can be repaired by a 3rd party.
@@RoadandReel hopefully they get it fixed right this time. I really wanted to buy one of those NoBos but wife wanted a little more space. Thank God my dealer is super helpful and so far so has grand design.
With over 40 years of new product development and failure analysis engineering experience, unacceptable on all levels.
I completely agree.
Nice trailer, not sure about quality. Yikes.
Ha, thanks. Everything else seems solid, although I have been into several walls to straighten out the electrical and I've had to pull some plumbing apart a couple times. 🤔 Maybe you're right.
@@RoadandReel Yeah. I’m looking for a similar size trailer (length and weight) with dual axles, but not sure which one to buy.
@@MoutainGuyAdventures it's exactly what we were looking for in a trailer and it's a good trailer. Just hope they never need worked on. Most trailers in this price range have similar complaints.
@@RoadandReel yup. I agree
I just bought a 2022 NoBo 19.3. My cabinet mirror is cracked in the lower right corner and they have a new one on order and there's a knot in a corner of one of the small cabinet doors that is starting to split that I'll probably gripe about here soon, but so far I haven't discovered anything major from the factory. I traded in my 2022 Cherokee Wolf Pup 16BHS for it after towing it 3,000 miles to Phoenix and back after owning it for about 9 months. Due to the market conditions didn't really lose any value on trade in. The 2nd axle on the NoBo really makes a big difference with sway and wind. I like the double bunks in this unit, they hold 300lbs vs the ~150 in the wolf pup. Hoping I don't have to deal with anything like this on the NoBo.
thanks but no thanks... Ive always wanted this trailer but not after seeing this video.
Yeah, I'd still give it a year before buying. I think quality and price will improve.
@@RoadandReel ive been see alot of bad reviews on Forest River products. Especially the NoBo ... if your spending in the upwards of $30k for a 19.3 trailer... least they can do if give you a quality product no or give you a decent warranty.
@@rippspeed1 we have a good warranty and they take care of everything, but its the time without the trailer that's the issue.
@@RoadandReel by your video. You are your own warranty. You fixing both doors is unacceptable in my book. You spent your hard earn money on that product. They should take care of the issues.
Forest River garbage
I hope they're better now, but only time will tell.
And this is why RVs made over the last several years are just garbage as are the manufacturers. 99% of the RVs made are just rolling garbage heaps. Sad to say but that's what they are. I will NEVER buy and RV from a Thor or Forest River company.
It definitely takes a lot more maintenance and upkeep to own an RV now and that's on top of the defects that are usually present right off the factory floor.
@@RoadandReel Sorry to hear about your issues. We have a 5th wheel with a slide design issue. We have spent $5k to get it fixed and its still not fixed. Our RV is no longer under warranty...1 year our of warranty and the slide out issue turns out to be a design defect causing the wall frame to fail...i.e.. broken frame wall. Of course Grand Design basically said too bad so sad. I am SO not happy...I spent a lot of money for a 5th wheel that, after a couple years of light use, is unusable. I hope other read this and realize that 99% of RV makers produce garbage that won't last for more than a couple years.
If you read the reviews, you would have never bought it.
If I read any reviews of travel trailers, I wouldn't buy a single one. Even Lance and Airstreams have their issues, but the customer service backs them very well. I can fix anything on these except the walls and roof. It's just unfortunate this major issue happened so soon. After this first year, I have a third party warranty for 6 more years that allows me to go to a local repair facility. The only problem with that is not having the trailer during repairs.
@@RoadandReel I feel I'm at this stage with these manufacturers. They all seem to be lackluster. Fortunately for me and like you I can repair or modify most of the issues on my own and likely in higher quality and efficiency. I looked at a Grand Design Imagine the other day thinking I was going to see better materials and craftsmanship and well I didnt. It MAY have been put together just a liiiiiiittle bit better or the MFGs customer service MAY be a little bit better but then that trailer isnt offering some of the features the NOBO 19.3 is offering like the torsion axles, and bunk door.
Forest river is junk
The problem is they make up almost a quarter of the industry and they've doubled in size in the last 10 years. A lot of quality control has been lost along the way.