7 Boss Fights Against YOU, From the Last Game
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- No boss fight is more momentous than the one against YOU, from a previous game in the series.
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I’m surprised Pokémon Gold and Silver’s boss against Red (the protagonist of the Gen 1 games) was left off on this list, that’s probably the most prime example of this concept that comes to mind
Exactly!!!
I thought the prime example was Kain and the Soul Reaver games
She even mentioned gary oak so I thought for sure Red would be here
Pretty sure it's precisely because it's such low hanging fruit is why it wasn't mentioned
Maybe they’re saving that one for the commenter edition
Remember doing the Dark Side route in Jedi Academy. As soon as I realized who the final boss was, I was like "I'm pretty badass, but I'm not *Kyle motherfucking KATARN* badass," and proceeded to get wrecked lol.
Imo it's the harder boss fight and Markah Ragnos(If I spelled that right) was easy compared
Interestingly they used footage from Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith, and in that one Kyle Katarn is always the final boss. You either spare him for the lightside ending where Kyle will renounce the Force (which is why he does not have it at the start of Jedi Knight 2) or kill him which leads your character (Mara Jade) to fall to the darkside as well.
@@esbmysterious Yeah, I was surprised they skipped over Mysteries of the Sith in favour of Jedi Academy, since as you say, the protagonist ALWAYS has to fight Kyle (who has fallen to the dark side) in MotS, instead of maybe facing off against him based on a choice in JA.
You might be mistaken about the ending of Mysteries of the Sith, tho - Kyle is so utter badass that you just can't beat him, and you only manage to resolve things by pushing him to the right point with persuasive arguments about his past and his good side, that when you PUT DOWN YOUR LIGHTSABER, he is conflicted enough that he can't bring himself to kill you and manages to break free of the sith temple's influence (pick the wrong moment, and you just become a crispy critter, and Kyle goes shopping at Hugo Boss).
I'm surprised Prototype 2 isn't on here. Not only do you fight Alex Mercer, the character in the first game, but he's the whole reason how you got your abilities in the second.
Not to mention what a great character Alex was the entire time, your humanity wack, your morals wack, bitch you a virus we don't got no morals.
same, literally from the title I was expecting it.
also depending how you interpret it he becomes a part of you as well... presumably for prototype 3.... like that will ever happen :D
You both said it...😊
Came here to comment this
EXACTLY
I think (featuring) Dante (from the Devil May Cry series) deserves mention, both his fights from DMC4 and DMC5 Special Edition. Playing as Dante, you feel like a powerhouse, but fighting Dante? You finally understand exactly what you're putting your enemies through: hell.
Oh DMC5? You mean the game about Vergil hiring Vergil's brother and Vergil's son to defeat Vergil so that Vergil and Vergil can merge and become Vergil again? Featuring Vergil.
We were always the most dangerous thing in Dark Souls.
The furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten. And yet, nobody can kill us. We go hollow if we lose the will to fight, but if we don't? If we keep challenging the areas and bosses no matter how many times they kill us? Our victory is inevitable, and we are the monster that may never stop.
every from software plot ever
16:08 "these stances are a clear nod to some of the most popular techniques used by dark souls players themselves over the years."
I don't remember Soul of Cinder stabbing me in the back over and over again
Or parrying all my attacks befor quick swapping to a dagger to mess up my day
@@bellomori9944 he can parry you tho
Instead, the OST stabs you right in the heart after stage 1. Still getting goosebumps thinking about that.
Good players
Or doing the "well what is it" and pulling out a Chaos Zweihander
Should have mentioned that in Jedi Academy, the light side ending has Tavion actually resurrecting the ancient Sith Lord (Marka Ragnos, for those curious). And fighting Kyle is still many times over the harder path.
The dark side isn't stronger, after all, but quicker, easier, more seductive.
I never thought fighting the soul of cinder was fighting the previous chosen undead from ds1, but I have goosebumps all over again now. Such an amazing series.
What they don't mention is that the Soul of Cinder is an amalgamation of Gwyn and all the other lost souls absorbed by the first flame. The Soul of Cinder fights like it does because it is a thousand people in one cursed body. The music also gives this away, as you can hear a bit of Gwyn's theme in the Soul of Cinder's music theme.
@@arent4771I was pissed when I first beat DS1 (which is still my favourite of the entire Soulsbourne universe). I knew nothing about the lore going in, spent 60+ hours to get through it all, only to receive a five-second cutscene of my character self-immolating for my efforts. I later learned of the alternate ending, which is actually pretty damn awesome. So yeah, all subsequent playthroughs I usher in the Age of Dark / Man, because f*** Lord Gwyn and the supposed "gods", who are all selfish dicks ... okay, Gwynevere is alright, but it's not really her that you see in Anor Londo.
@@arent4771 but they did mention that...
I always love the "Beware of Spoilers" right after you've said what the spoiler is in every game you're about to list.
Said and/or shown
Never been a fan of the "beware of spoilers for the following...." bit because it kinda spoils half the list if you're aware enough of the listed games. Just a general "Beware of spoilers for whatever we show" is enough
It's the formula so shut up lol
@@redfinale yea sometimes it kinda defeat its own point lol, tho it works sometimes
For some videos, like the acronym one it makes sense because all you know is that there are acronyms, not the spoilers the acronyms are about
The Hero's Shade is hinted being the Hero of Time even without the Hyrule Historia. When you meet him for the first time as the wolf, he howls the Song of Healing to you. A song the Hero of Time uses.
Actually I believe all the Wolf songs are from OOT or Majora's Mask (or their own unique song), furthering the connection. I always like bringing up the Hero's Shade whenever people stupidly say "The Zelda devs never thought of the timeline before the fans made it up!", uh, nope. Wind Waker and Twilight Princess especially drive home that there are multiple timelines and there's a sequence of events to it all.
@@Deadflower20xx I would certainly agree there is some continuity to the series, but apart from specific examples (like you mentioned) it's kept very loose (which I don't mind, personally)
@@ExileTwilight I dunno, the 3D Zeldas are totally tied together, specifically to Ocarina of Time but obviously Skyward Sword was made thoughtfully with the timeline in mind as it being "the first Link adventure" was a big selling point for it. Wind Waker is filled to the brim with OOT references as well as Twilight Princess. The events in those games are direct repercussions of the events of OOT and is why Ganondorf appears in humanoid form in both.
They're obviously not direct sequels, but you can at least see Hyrule has had a history far beyond the game's events, and that Ocarina (and later Skyward) tie to it.
@@Deadflower20xx nah.
Uui
Splatoon 2 had one of these as well!
In the octo expansion, agent 3 (who you played as in the original game’s hero mode) is constantly alluded to, but it’s not until the end of the dlc that we actually see them. After saving you from being turned into a smoothie, agent 3 appears covered in the slime you were to be turned into and acts as the final stretch before you’re allowed to take over the world. They have almost no limit on special attacks and bombs, meaning that once you finally defeat them, this formidable foe has passed out again before they can help you save the world.
You may then fight them again inside your own mind later on for the golden toothpick, but this time they have no limits at all save for the fact that they are not immune to being shot.
EXACTLY
at least im not the only one who thought agent 3 would be here
I was thinking the same thing. The Agent 3 fight in Octo Expansion was so hard I almost wanted to quit, but I didn't and kept on going for weeks to defeat her.
Surprised the SA-X does not appear in this personally
After becoming Metroid infused after the power armor was taken off of you for health complications, having a version of you with the weapons designed to kill the very thing you have become, hunt you. That’s really scary
And in my opinion one of the greatest last protagonist (kinda) fight/ basically running away until the end
I hated fusion for the longest time because of this 😂 young me had a whole lot of Nope for any SA-X encounter.
I love the wording of "for health complications", like it's a liability Samus would have to put on her insurance forms forever after
@@banquoviaquo9220 the federation better have free coverage for possessions, shit happens way too often, be it mind control from a teenage cyborg, mutations from a radioactive hivemind planet's blue goo, or getting body snatched by gelatin monsters
The moment you face Red in "Pokémon Gold/Silver" should most definitely be on the list! Toughest fight in the entire game.
And that music was fire
Good one!
I'm surprised they didn't cover Prototype 2's final boss
I know right? That was my first thought!
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"This is no place for a horse" really does give the feel of a house-hunting Death (and their ripped horse) ready to move away from the rabble.
Something about that made me think of Don't Stop Believing by Journey, lol. Except the lyrics regarding smalltown living were for a girl, I believe.
But maybe he's a city boy who took the midnight train going anywhere...such as to a ranch 😅
I always assumed link turned into a stalfos searching in the lost woods for Navi, since it's confirmed in game that anyone without a fairy guide that enters the woods gets lost and becomes a stalfos
I thought the zelda timeline broke in OOT and Majora’s Mask was shat happened after link returned to his child form.
Of course since MM also dealt with time travel no one in that game remembers him as a hero either.
@@Wishphoenix1 you are correct in that assumption. Majora's mask is the direct sequel and it falls in the child timeline, the next game after Majora's mask in that timeline is Twilight Princess, where we see Hero of Time Link as a Stalfos mentoring Hero of Twilight Link
For anyone curious about the Hero's Shade and how OoT Link became a spectral skeleton, long before or shortly after the release of Hyrule Hystoria, many fans had strong theories that after OoT, Link went through a journey to find Navi, who canonically was basically the only close friend and companion Link ever had in his life. It's that journey that led us to the events of Majora's Mask, having Link explore the Lost Woods in hopes of finding Navi there and where Skull kid got him to the world of Termina. After that adventure, he continued with his search for Navi, but to no avail. And given how OoT established that the Lost Woods would turn anyone who got lost there for too long into a Skull Kid or a monster, it's very likely Link got succumbed to the curse and became the Hero's Shade
Only Ocarina of time and Majora's mask are connected to each other, not Twilight princess or Wind Waker as it's been heavily hinted at. Can't be connected to Wind Waker or Twilight Princess.
Not connected to Wind Waker because: You mean to tell me that all of reality suddenly looks cartoonish simply because a lot of time passed? It's absolute nonsense.
Not connected to Twilight Princess because: Though it doesn't have the issue of being a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ART STYLE making it laughable to suggest they're in the same reality, the layout of hyrule is nothing like hyrule in oot. So it makes no sense. Nintendo sometimes likes to make up some nonsense to throw a bone to the crazy timeline theorists but really, they're not connected - Most of the zelda games aren't. If the zelda games were actually connected and had a real timeline there wouldn't be hour long videos trying to make sense of a constantly changing timeline.
@@Vaquix000 . 3 .
Bruh, games don't have to have the same art style or graphics to have story connections, that's just very stupid.
Or else you are saying Halo Combat Evolve and Halo 2 can't be connected because Halo 2 can't suddenly be looking less blocky than Halo CE.
Or that the Metroid Prime series cannot be connected with Super Metroid cuz it's impossible a 3D game from the mid 2000s can become a pixelated game from the 80s
I doubt he died in the forest because he has to grow up to become a knight first.
@@__Soya__ well, maybe we could guess he returned to the forest as an adult to search out for her. The last thing he wanted to do in his life
@@granmastersword Honestly as cool as that would be I don't think so. The fact that he's still wearing his damaged armor implies he died in battle.
"I played it, and i still dont know what the f**k is going on" is the most accurate way to describe the KH series
Meme of both:
Peeps who haven't played KH: Sora "Whats going on?"
Peeps who Have played KH: Roxas: "WHATS GOING ON!?!"
here
It also perfectly fit Metal Gear series.
In one of the Shadow of War dlcs, you end up fighting Talion from after the events of the game. Where he gives in to the ring and becomes a Nazgul. It also taught me how annoying it was for my enemies when I backflipped away from them every few seconds to throw a dagger at them.
In Armored Core For Answer, you have to fight against White Glint, who is the player character from Armored Core 4. In AC4, White Glint's pilot is the final boss of the game, but in a different mech. In ACFA, it's described that the pilot for White Glint took the name after the war from the previous game and is only known as 'Anatolia's Mercenary'. Depending on your mission selection, you'll either fight White Glint, or assist them in a mission about midway through the game.
Technically Kazuya from Tekken would count, in a weird way. He started out as the main protagonist, initially carrying out his journey of getting revenge on Heihachi before usurping the role of main villain and being one of the primary antagonists
Jin would also count. After being the protagonist for 3 games (and even getting his own full story mode in T5) he becomes the final boss in the T6 story mode.
I mean Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal introduced probably one of the earliest "Protagonist from another game" boss fights, with Red. And just like a lot of those types of boss fights he can be horribly hard if you fight him without the proper levels/skill (and considering the challenge of leveling your team in Johto overall that makes him even more insane)
I came here to comment the same thing. It was such a good move. I never saw it coming, I thought it would be Elite Four, rival, then home for tea.
But noooo, here’s basically a whole other game, and a fight against the legend that is Red to finish it.
@@willfieldsend Don't worry, I realized I wasn't the only one who commented about Red. But I decided to tell of the difficulty as well, rather then just the recommendation
Yeah, the fact red is in the high 80s, a full 30 levels over every other gym battle you face and 20 over his rival's strongest Pokemon, knocked me on my ass when I first played the game. But it also reflected how overpowered my own team was by the end of the original game...
Red's incredible strength made it all the more impressive that I took out half his team, including his Pikachu, with a Toxic-stalling level 44 Umbreon during my playthrough of Crystal. The rest of my team was 20 levels down on him, and I have no idea how I won.
You can also fight Red again in Sun and Moon at the Battle Tree.
13:13 "She's been possessed by Xenahort." Who, frankly, seems to have much better fashion sense than whoever designed her regular outfit. The goth look works so much better.
Everyone dresses better when they've been 'Norted', lol.
She wasn't even possessed by Xehanort. It was a fan theory from the trailers that proved to not be correct
Yeah just imagine how horrifying it is for the bosses in dark souls, fighting someone who can just keep coming back over and over, and especially horrifying for some of the final bosses because imagine how scared you would be hearing that a single small frail human killed every powerful being in your world and is coming for you next
15:23 watching Luke interact with the camera as an actual person and having them ready to leave by explaining just a small bit of DS lore was one of the funniest bits I’ve seen on the channel in a while. Top tier comedy for me!
Prototype 2 - it's like having all the hours I put into upgrading Alex shoved back into my face... after I had spent many additional hours upgrading this new guy that I'm supposed to use to defeat him.
And you don't have his single target ultimate either
I was hoping that Alex Mercer would be on this list. Hands down the coolest protagonist gone rougue
Agreed. The endless carnage I created with Alex left me terrified at the idea of fighting him in the second one.
Always hoped there would be a third game where Alex's consciousness was too strong to destroy and so Alex and Heller were fighting for control of their body after Heller consumes him at the end of 2. It could give you a sort of morality route to choose. Worry more about collateral damage as Heller or just murder everything in sight as a vengeful Alex. Obviously everyone would choose Alex but still could've been an interesting story.
"Welcome to the top of the food chain"
Yeah, should've included Alex instead of Soul of Cinder since that one's a bit of a stretch (for a multitude of reasons, e.g. linking the fire being optional) and not exactly the same as a playable character anyway.
"I can't let you do this Jaden"
"Then stop me *Kyle* !"
Missed opportunity.
If there's ever a second part, you need to add Tallion from Middle Earth: Shadow of War, it's not exactly a previous game but the first boss fight in the Blade Of Galadriel DLC is the ringwraith Tallion who we played as in the main game
Splatoon 2 (DLC) is an addition to this list that I kinda expected . In the regular fight, Agent 3 is only somewhat difficult, but the enchanced version is way too powerful. Just watch the attack patterns, and you know you're in for a hell of a time.
YES SOMEONE SAID IT no OE really surprised me too
I agree
You even tell Cap what you remember agent 3 looking like, and you choose the skin tone and eye color
EXACTLY
I know, the Agent 3 from the Octo Expansion DLC was so hard.
I love the fact that in the ending where you fight him, your victory condition isn't to kill Kyle Katarn - it's to distract him long enough to run away.
In Digital Devil Saga: Avatar Tuner you can optionally fight the Demi-Fiend: protagonist character of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne, a famously powerful protagonist in the series. So powerful, in fact, that for his boss fight, it plays the normal random encounter battle theme from Nocturne, because to him, that's all you are.
And that fight is so so absurdly hard, with maxed out stats it still takes over half an hour and Demi-Fiend can still just instantly kill the entire party in a single turn.
That’s sick
yes!
I can feel the frustration and dread rising at just the memory of this
Also from MegaTen, in Soul Hackers you can fight the protagonist of the original Devil Summoner, and in the 3DS version Raidou from the PS2 Devil Summoner games (as well as his alternate universe counterpart Raido).
There's also Persona 5 Royal with its DLC where you can fight the protagonists of Persona 3 and 4
I feel like, in my imagination, Ocarina of Time Link spent so much time trying to find Navi after the events of Majora’s Mask, that the forest turned him into a Stalfos. One of the Kokiri in Ooc states that those that aren’t native to the forest become Stalfos. And since Link is actually a Hylian that was raised as a Kokiri, the rules still apply.
It might not be your imagination. If im remembering correctly, ocarina and majora are in the same timeline as twilight Princess. In TP you learn alit of your abilities from a stalfos thats hinted to be a previous hero of time
12:42
I appreciate the inclusion of the lore-compliant Mickey shirt scene
For anyone out of the loop, at the end of KH1 [SPOILERS] Mickey is seen behind the Big Door with Riku, strangely missing his shirt as he helps close it from the other side.
In his infinite brilliance the director of the KH series elected to ""fix"" this apparent oversight in the cutscene by making it a point to include a scene in KH0.2 where Mickey loses his shirt in a fight set shortly before his appearance in that famous doorway. Bear in mind that if they noticed this oversight and were unhappy with it, they could have simply fixed the cutscene in all the "final mix" versions of the game released a few years later. Nomura kept it, and made it canon. God I love this franchise.
I still can't believe the Kingdom Hearts series actually exists and isn't some insane drug trip
It might just be the greatest drug trip ever.
I can. I just can’t believe they started it as PS2 exclusive when the GameCube was still selling att
Thats a great way to tell everyone youve never done a single drug
@@tylermac111 The only drugs I do are prescribed by my doctor 😎
Honest to god, I do a double take every time I hear the name.
I'm surprised Devil May Cry 4's second boss against Dante wasn't on here; I mean, IT'S DANTE! Even worse, on higher difficulties he uses the styles you spent all DMC 3 learning, meaning he can beat your arse in four different ways!
Not to mention the Dreadnaught ability for Royal Guard that renders him invincible for a few seconds. He's also kind of taken the kid gloves off for the second encounter as the first one was merely the tutorial.
Well technically you don’t fight with dante from dmc3 but , you know ... i do wish they mention it
Yes but those styles were not present until DMC 3. They've refined/added new things since then.
Even better when you fight him in the Bloody Palace.
Well 5 has a more complete version of that fight reserved for Vergil mode. Sure Vergil has forever hijacked the doppelgänger and quicksilver mechanics but it doesn’t matter when you’re facing the part 5 specific powers of “Cool Uncle” Dante
That’s not the only time you fight Kyle Katarn. You also fight him in the expansion pack to Dark Forces II called Mysteries of the Sith. You even featured a brief clip of it!
The battle against Red in Pokémon Gold & Silver (& the remakes) was great
The most memorable one for me is Diablo. The game literally ends with your protagonist becoming the new Lord of Terror. In Diablo 2, you're following the trail of carnage to track down and kill your old character.
This is the one I was expecting. Especially with the remake coming out.
Canonically it was the warrior from the first game though. I might be misremembering, but I don't think there was even a import option.
@@wrydrune Yeah but the other heroes you kill along the way, the rogue is the dead Rogue boss you fight and the others are in there too I think
@@wrydrune yes Aiden is the warrior from diablo who is one of king leoric's sons
@@mattj1829 Blood Raven is the D1 rogue, the Summoner is the Mage, and Aiden's(the Warrior) body is taken over by Diablo.
"sora falls out of a door in the sky" that's it, that's the entire plot of kingdom hearts
"As you do." would've fit as a response to that.
It’s Kingdom Hearts, you learn to roll with it.
he's literally a greek god in a play lol, deos ex machina in all it's glory
And don't forget about the .... Clears throat.... THE POWER (pause for dramatic effect) OF FRIENDSHIP
Ellen did say it best “I played it and I have no idea what the fuck is going on” I’ve said as much trying to explain it to friends
This one is amazing and deserves a little more love: In Dragón Ball Xenoverse 2 you get to fight vs your character from Xenoverse 1, why is that so great? Well because the main characters in the Xenoverse games are created by the player! 🔥🤯
One of my favorites is in splatoon 2's dlc called octo expansion, which has not only one, but two boss fights with your former self. At the end, you, as agent 8, fight a mind controlled agent 3, the protagonist of splatoon 1, who is constantly using specials and is a very tough fight. Also, there is a secret boss fight called "inner agent 3", which is basically agent 8 remembering the fight they had with agent 3 before octo expansion started, and it is an insanely difficult fight.
EXACTLY
If you play Dragon's Dogma offline 2 times in a row the last boss is literally you from the 1st run through.
Loved that concept and game and that's why I still play it on my switch today 😂 so underrated, one of the best rpgs out there
@@jacobbelter9141 they're masterworks, all. You can't go wrong
Tis weak to fire.
Wolves hunt in packs!
I just posted that my dude.
That game was pretty sweet, I liked it more than any Monster Hunter game. I think the non-existent fast travel killed that game. Running for a half an hour just for a fetch quest really kills the vibe.
"Listen, and understand. That [Dark Souls protagonist] is out there, it cant be bargained with, it cant be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop... EVER, until you are dead!" -Dark Souls enemies, probably
Imagine an enemy who you can easily crush. But it returns a minute later. It never seems to take breaks, never decides on something better to do. But worst of all, it learns. Every attack, it becomes better at fighting you. It can dodge your strikes, chip away at you. It gets a little bit stronger every attempt until it overwhelms you with a thousand cuts, before turning its attention to the next biggest thing. The protagonist is a terrifying force, indeed.
@@jimijenkins2548 That would be a fun adventure/horror game, where you need to find a way to make the AI "player" give up before it eventually corners you with adaptations to your play style and stat boosts from killing other things as it relentlessly hunts you.
@@rickyroughton8098 You took my idea and made it five times better. This is exactly what the internet is for.
I'm surprised Jill Valentine in RE5 and Ellie in The Last of Us Part 2 weren't on the list! Such intense boss encounters!
It was a pretty underwhelming fight Jill to be fair. Definitely compared to the other freakish monstrosities you fight in that game.
@@blackzero1956 underwhelming? you have Albert Wesker dodging bullets left to right while Jill just skitters like a damn spider, all the while both are spraying bullets at you, I'd say it's fucking lit especially the music
You fight Ellie???
fun fact this happened in my friend's dnd campaign
in the first campaign, he chose a paladin as his character. in the next campaign (with him as the dm), we got to fight that same paladin as a boss
You can’t fool us with the angstily brusque ending, whichever one of you is Oxtra editor for the day. We all know that’s Ellen’s “we’ll have to cut here because this is the furthest I got before breaking into giggles” face. :-D
Don't worry. She'll be back in the sequel to make them pay for it with blood... and giggles.
You can see the start of Luke breaking character and smiling/chuckling after saying "Sorry, are you not busy today?"
@@Nathanyel Yup. Wish I had as much fun at work as they always seem to.
Goodness but I love these silly people 😂
You also fight Kyle Katarn in the Jedi Knight Expansion: Mysterious of the Sith. He falls to the Dark Side and is the final boss. It is also the reason he turned back away from being a Jedi in the sequel, Jedi Outcast, at least at the beginning.
He literally cannot be defeated unless you turn your lightsaber off and refuse to fight him in the boss encounter, so you could literally fight him for hours without a victory. I'll never forget such a memorable encounter.
Such a good game. That boss battle took me hours to figure out.
That sounds amazing.
As for my own contribution to the subject of this video: How about Isaac and crew from the last game, in Golden Sun: The Lost Age? Halfway through TLA, you have to fight against the crew of heroes you spent an entire previous game as, trying to save the world. Heck, if you actually played all the way through the last game, the game itself would generate a password you could use in TLA to get THE EXACT CHARACTERS you ended the last game as, to appear in the sequel!
Time Crises 2 was so fun. That ratchet action on the gun. That foot pedal cover action... Satisfying.
South Park: The Fractured but Whole
At one point, your character time travels and fights the past version of themselves (from the previous game). Bonus time-ception since you can summon an even _earlier_ version of your character from the further past to help you. It’s past you vs you + past past you.
The "This is no place for a horse." joke is a lot funnier than it should be.
That, and saying the entire title of Kingdom Hearts games each time.
Should have included The Legacy of Kain series.
In Blood Omen you play as nobleman turned vampire Kain.
In the sequel Soul Reaver you play as Kain's firstborn vampire son, Raziel and fight Kain not just once but twice.
In the final game, Defiance you play as both Kain and Raziel and have a back to back boss fight as Raziel fighting Kain and then as Kain fighting Raziel.
great series. always loved it.
It probably doesn't count in the same way, but there was a very upsetting "fight yourself" in Crono Cross, where you catch up to the villain and he body swaps with the silent protagonist, and then you suddenly have to fight yourself and your party as the villain. As I remember it, you lose, and spend a chapter running around in the villain's body trying to figure out what the heck just happened. There was a very jarring moment where your character suddenly speaks for the first time, and you realize he's not your character now.
Kinda reminds me of Doopliss from Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door.
Yeah, this was a HUGE plot point, and watching Lynx manipulate Kidd the whole time is teeth-grinding frustrating.
*oh shiet he has a voice! Run!*
@@Viper-py4pg "Wait... I'm talking? Why am I talking! I don't talk! No, no no, that's my character, that's me, what did you do! OMG, I can't even try to talk to my party..." They get you thinking of your silent character as yourself, and then steal it from you. I guess they had to one up themselves killing the silent protagonist in the first game somehow.
One theory states that Link got so far into the Lost Woods looking for Navi he never returned and became a Stalfos. Because that's what happens to those who venture to deep into the forest.
I like how the spoiler warning is actually THE spoiler with this title and intro hahahahaha
Surprised and disappointed Dragon's Dogma isn't on the list. While there isn't a sequel to the game, the final boss will always be your character from the playthrough. It's a wonderful application of the idea of a cyclical world.
Exactly. That was my first thought when I saw the video title. Dragon's Dogma is criminally underrated and doesn't get the love it deserves. Thankfully, it's finally getting a sequel!
You missed Diablo 2, where you fight all of your characters from Diablo 1. Chasing after the Dark Wanderer, and then battling Diablo (who is in full possession of the Warrior from D1) is an iconic moment in gaming. In addition, you battle and defeat the Rogue (Blood Raven) and the Sorcerer (The Summoner).
Little surprised Yakuza: Like a Dragon isn't here. That fight with Kiryu was terrifying considering how much butt he's kicked from all the Yakuza games combined.
I think the funniest part about that fight is that after you win the cutscene shows Ichiban and the gang all beat up and Kiryu is just standing there, like he barely worked up a sweat.
Because that was no fight. Ichiban and co got their asses handed to them. You don't beat Kazuma Kiryu, you survive Kazuma Kiryu.
To be fair, it isn't the first time we had to fight Kiryu. Yakuza 4 did that first with Saejima's chapter. Gonna be honest, the wheeze of terror I made when I realized I was going to have to fight him was not the most manly noise in the world, but at least I lived.
@@AresSG You still fight him
@@skell6134 Try to fight him yes. Again you survive Kazuma Kiryu. To be honest I was surprised there wasn't an option to surrender.
Personally I like how in some Shin Megami Tensei games you can fight the other protagonists
In persona 5 royal you can fight the persona 3 and 4 protagonists, in smtv and digital devil saga you can fight demi fiend (the smtiii protag), and I’m pretty sure you fight flynn (smtiv protag) in smtiv apocalypse
100% accurate, especially since in Persona 5 Royal when you fight the Persona 3 and Persona 4 protagonists is a way of telling the player that "this game is a sequel to Persona 3 and Persona 4" without really saying it outright if you hadn't noticed the many references of other Persona games in Persona 5 Royal.
I know of an interesting multimedia variation on this: In the Sky Crawlers movie, the primary antagonist is an enemy ace known as Teacher.
In the game Sky Crawlers: Innocent Aces, you play as an initially trainee pilot with the callsign Lynx. After one of the missions, your callsign is changed to Cheetah. But at the end of the game, there's a cutscene that introduces a new trainee for the squadron Cheetah is now leading, and that trainee refers to the player character as Teacher.
"You were supposed to destroy the sith not join them!"- every new protagonist in a series
"f it being evil was way more cool...........unlike you"
@@ddjsoyenby Plus, it seems like the bad guys get cooler looking clothing.
@@LadyOnikara And all the money, if Kotor is any indicator.
Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion.
I remember how I did in the first game and I 100% do not remember being that terrifyingly good.
23:17: Majoras mask probably xD might have something to do with the fierce deity mask
Vent/Aile from Mega Man ZX in... Mega Man ZX Advent. Not the final boss, but spare the boss rush before facing Master Albert and Prometheus and Pandora before that, they pretty much are. Which one depends on whether you play as Ashe or Grey.
"You were the most terrifying thing in the game all along"
My three hundred death's (so far) and the fact I'm still unable to complete the effing game says otherwise.
only 300? you must be at the opening area in DS1
Time to pass along the words of wisdom many a player once passed to me in pvp...
Git gud.
Lol its the fact that you died that much and still going that makes you terrifying
No matter how much they kill you, you keep coming back! How terrifying is that?
Actually it confirms it. Because unlike the endless enemies you come across, you can come back as many times as you like. And all it costs is your humanity.
Or, what about Splatoon 2's DLC "Octo Expansion"? The DLC literally has the new character, dubbed Agent 8, fight against the protagonist of Splatoon 1, Agent 3, twice! One is a mandatory boss fight required to be beaten to progress towards the final battle of that DLC, while the other is your "reward" for clearing all the missions it has. And oh boy, in both encounters, Agent 3 is not playing around he/she (you decide their gender earlier in the DLC's story) goes all out on you! He/she even cheats by being able to swap out Specials from Splatoon 2. It's a special thing to be able to fight against him/her
Oh yeah this~! Love that someone mentioned it!
There’s actually one other I think people don’t realise. In Yakuza 4, one chapter allows you to play as Taiga Saejima (Goro Majima’s yakuza brother) in the main story of it you are given the opportunity to fight Kiryu Kazuma (the main protagonist of Yakuza 0-6) on the Okinawa beach near his orphanage Morning Glory. However I don’t think it would count since you play as Kiryu again in Chapter 4 of it.
You also fight Akiyama in yakuza 6!
And technically, while it is a remake, Yakuza Kiwami came out after Yakuza 0, and you fight Majima in that game.
3:56 ...I now just pictured Kyle Katarn throwing out Jaden with DJ's "Whoa!"
I always assumed that OoT Link became some sort of Stalfos because he didn't have Navi anymore and might've never stopped wandering around the Lost Woods looking for her
You wanna feel real sad? Okay, get ready for this conjecture:
The Link from OoT is explicitly stated as being "in search of a friend" in Majoras Mask (its canonical sequel). While we don't find Navi in Termina, we do find another temporary fairy companion, Tatl.
It's entirely likely at the end of that game, that Link leaves Termina and heads back to Hyrule.
It's also entirely likely that Link goes to the Kokiri Forest and heads to the Lost Woods to find Navi, but gets lost. A Kokiri girl you meet in the adult line explains that anyone who doesn't have a fairy becomes a Stalfos if they're lost.
OoT Link is confirmed to be a Hylian by birth, not a Kokiri. As such, the only thing that's keeping him from being lost in the forest is his fairy companion, Navi.
It's my theory that Link went back to the Lost Woods at some point in his Adult life, and stayed too long looking for Navi - becoming a Stalfos knight in the process.
That's why he's in Twilight Princess as a rotting, rusting skeletal form - filled with regret.
Thank God someone more eloquent than me said it. I mean, after the events in MM and the lost woods thing seems like the most tragic part of his whole deal.
Well at least he gets to see future reincarnation him with companions and friends, and in my opinion, is on the verge of becoming a father figure/close mentor to the twilight princess link. At least that's the way i felt. I was always excited and happy to see the golden wolf.
Maybe Majoras Mask IS OoT Links descent into becoming a Stalfos and it’s all in his head!!! Aaaaahhhh!!! No maybe not lmao, but what you’ve said has summed up what I believe happened in the best way
That’s dark bro
I can help make this a bit darker. Ive long since held the belief as to why Navi could no longer be found.
Navi. Is Links mother, turned into a fairy.
It was stated that she died escaping from the castle, bequeathing Link to the Great Deku Tree. Well, heres where my theory comes in. She was given new life as a fairy, so that when the time came for Link's destiny to come to pass, she could be by her son's side to help guide and help him through it all. To do the one thing she couldnt do as a mother: watch and guide her son to become the greatest hero of them all. That explains why, upon returning to the child timeline, Navi just kinda flies off to the sky and vanishes. Because, her mission done and her son now being the hero he was meant to be, her mission is completed and she could pass on.
To help push this theory, there are a lot of times real world influence has crept into games like the LoZ series. Ghosts staying until theyre either exorcised ( the po sisters in the forest temple being the obvious example there, as well as Phantom Ganon ) or when they complete the thing keeping them bound to the world. Links mom being a fairy was her own gift, granted by the great Deku tree, so that she wouldnt become a ghost, and instead be the fairy for her own "fairy-less" son. Even in the manga ( yes, I know it isnt canon, still ) before she flies off, she states she loves Link dearly. As a kid, I thought it was a semi romantic thing, but if my theory proves true, it would be the love of a mother to her son. And thus, thats why Link was never able to find Navi. Because he was looking for his mother, who finally passed on because her one regret keeping her there was satisfied.
This then ties into what @TheOneMiffy92 proposed. Navi not being there means no one to guide Link. But its more then just being a guide. What if the magic of the fairies acted as a barrier to stop the dark magic of the lost woods from turning Link in general? No Navi mom, no magical barrier, no guide to stop him being lost. Hero or not, he is, as stated, still a Hylian. The only reason he didnt submit to evil upon dying and becoming a Stalfos was the protection of the Triforce of Courage. Thats why he retained his sanity and was able to do things Stalfos cant, like becoming the white wolf and retaining all his knowledge from his adventures, including all the songs he learned, which is why summoning him takes on the form of songs from both those games.
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I love these kinds of fights!
My first encounter of this type was in Thunder Force 5. The boss at the end of level 5 is "Vasteel Original" -- Vasteel being the name of the ship you piloted in Thunder Force 4, which failed to escape the destruction of that game's final boss. And in case seeing either the name or the ship itself wasn't enough of a clue for you, the boss battle theme ("Duel of Top") is an extended mix of Thunder Force 4's title theme.
My favourite time that you fight a previous version of yourself is in Yakuza: Like a Dragon when you face off against Majima, Saijima and finally Kiryu
I freaked out when I got to those moments, glad to see another Yakuza fan here :)
For me it's splatoon Octo expansion
Frightening considering Kiryu is essentially a Combat God in the Yakuza univer
@@theblueincineroar6905 and it holds up, since you don't even cause him real damage when the fight is done.
There's also Yakuza: Like a Dragon, where your fight with the legendary Dragon of Dojima ends not because you beat him, but because he decided he was done fighting.
Spoilers
Same with Yakuza 4 with Saejima vs Kiryu. And Kiryu vs Akiyama and Tanimura. And with 6, Kiryu vs Akiyama.
He was testing you. And considering all the shit he went through, it makes sense that Ichiban and his friends can barely put a scratch in him. He's been through so many more numbers at once, been shot and stabbed *in cutscenes* and lived (MULTIPLE TIMES, MORE THAN ONCE!) and all this big boss fight amounts to for him is a regular Premium Adventure substory for his life of generally staying away from this stuff for good.
And the reason you're fighting him? Ichiban gets dangerously close to becoming an old late friend of his.
You also fight kiryu in yakuza 4
Casting Michael Wincott as the voice of Death is still easily recognizable even if you only hear "this is no place for a horse"
I thought Golden sun would be included as well. I mean I spent all GS1 feeling like everyone betrayed me only to delve into GS2 and saying "Oh...Oh no."
You never fight them.
I feel Dragon's Dogma deserved a spot on this list. As your Character literally becomes the Final Boss for your NG+ upon completing the game.
....Holy shit I didn't know that
@@mee091000 Its amazing, really shows that it is just one, long, endless cycle.
@@TheInsanitor A cycle that is ended by committing suicide no less.
dogma balls haha
@@clothar23 Well, not ended, but passed on :)
The Legacy of Kain series does this repeatedly, especially due to time travel shenanigans:
- In Blood Omen you play as Kain, and have a battle against a prospective Kain from another timeline.
- In Soul Reaver you play as Raziel and fight Kain two times.
- Even in Soul Reaver 2 you fight Raziel's former self as him.
- Then in Defiance you play as both, fighting first Raziel as Kain and then the other way around during the same battle.
We need another Legacy of Kain game. They've brought back Megaman, surely they can bring back Kain!
Bump
@@kezzstar24 I don't think that would ever work. Now the rights of the series belong to Square Enix and Amy Henning is out of the matter. I would only get hyped for another Kain game if she is at the lead. And with Square, that is very unlikely.
A good mention would've been Agent 3/Inner Agent 3 from Splatoon 2's DLC; Octo Expansion
One I know of is William from nioh 2. From what I know, in the previous game, he does all he needs to in that area, so he comes to where nioh 2 takes place in pursuit of someone. Along the way, he finds an evil plan, foils it, then joins a clan or something
In Yakuza: Like a Dragon you fight the previous protagonist Kiryu. It's a cool fight where he uses fighting styles from previous games and it's interesting to see those moves in a turn-based style. There are also fights against other protagonists like Majima and Saejima.
Don’t forget he also refuses to attack the female party members because Kazuma Kiryu doesn’t hit women
Don't you fight him in one of the older games as well?
You fight him on a beach in 4. You also fight Majima as Kiryu several times and as others I think.
Id give more writing to the Majima/Saejima fight cus goddamn they made it hard
Same for Akiyama in the beginning of Yakuza 6
How can you name drop Gary Oak and not include Red in gold/silver/crystal? Such a missed opportunity.
That's what I was thinking, you can battle Red in Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold, SoulSilver, and I believe Sun, Moon, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon. You get to battle him so many times.
@@lacytaylor1501 and B2W2 and in the lets go games.
Yeah I was waiting for it to pop up on the spoiler scroll and... nope.
After Ellen mentioned the mech in the same sentence I started imagining that if Kojima joined with Nintendo they could do a legally distinct Metal Gear Oak...
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think Outside Xtra knew exactly what they were doing -- they purposely alluded to Pokemon and omitted the battle against Red so mentions of it would populate the comment section. I wouldn't put it past the clever buggers lol.
You also end up fighting kyle katarn in Mysteries of the Sith, the expansion to jedi knight. he wasnt a final boss though but still a fairly tough fight.
The battle against Red from Pokemon gold and silver should be on here. It's literally a boss fight against you. From the previous games
I almost teared up in Yakuza 7 when I ended up fighting the dragon of dojima. I was invested I Kazuma for a long time I was happy to see him.
came here just to make the same comment
The undead have always been feared, and for good reason. An undead's strength is only limited by its will. Castles will crumble, armies will die, but the undead will still come. You can be a legendary warrior, a great king, or a literal god, and the undead will still come. They are as relentless as the tide. The life of an undead is marked with eternal suffering, but those with an iron will can never be broken, even as the world around them fades into the dark. In our suffering we found strength, and with our strength we toppled gods and changed the world. Take these lessons to heart my friends.
Which series' undead are you referring to? My guess is DS, but that description does still fit multiple series.
@@rickyroughton8098 dark souls, though you have a point.
damn
@@samwhary5498 Sekiro's whole plot revolves around this point as well
did you just type how to turn yourself into undead?
The Legacy of Kain games. You play as Kain in the first game (Blood Omen 1) but fight him twice (playing as Raziel) in the second game (Soul Reaver 1). And for an extra level of meta, you fight Kain/Raziel as Raziel/Kain respectively in Defiance.
Love the Mount Sorrow deepcut.
How about the Witches of Brigmore DLC for Dishonored? That leads with a boss fight against Corvo himself!
I love that whole scene because Corvo's mask just looks cool in the base game. Seeing it from the other side shows you how fucking terrifying a mute, masked serial killer (or at least serial incapacitator) can be, plus the morality system feels more satisfying that you get treated the way you treated others.
@@crimsoncorsairgames Only in High Chaos. You can beat him properly if you import a Low Chaos run of Knife of Dunwall.
You're not required to win against him, because we all know how Daud does against him. Though, as badass as I am in that game, I remember only robbing him instead of taking him head on.
Jesus Christ, I remember playing *Jedi: Outcast II* and in the beginning when you fight Desann for the first time I would reload the game everytime he killed me not knowing I can NOT win the fight because it's scripted
I spent the whole day trying to win it
RIP to your day
You actually Can beat him, although it breaks the games scripting tho lol.
(can't remember quite, but I'm guessing Desaan is the guy with the guns and stuff near the beginning of the game.)
@@SonakaG Desann is the main villain, with the lizard head, the one you fight in the final stage
@@SonakaG No, Desann is the main boss. Big lizard face, red lightsaber with spikes on the pommel. He is hard-coded to take no damage in the first fight, so you can't kill him. The only way for him to die is to use the cheat "npc kill all", which kills not only him but every single NPC on the map. I haven't tried doing this, but if I were to guess I'd say it softlocks the game, leaving you alone in the map with nothing to do.
I had no idea that was DJ Jazzy Jeff on the show with Will Smith. That makes perfect sense since they were friends and made lots of music together I just never even thought about it. How crazy and cool. Thank you for the fun fact.
Metal Gear 1 & 2 probably qualify, as the final bosses are Venom & Naked Snake. DMC5 is also an interesting case as Griffon, Shadow & Nightmare are weapons used by V that become a boss battle for Dante. They even use the same attacks you buy in the game, the more moves you buy for V, the more moves they have in the battle!
In Zone of the Enders 2, you face the protagonist of the first game, Leo Stenbuck. Who has used the time between games to become a badass pilot. Bonus points for the fact that he now pilots the mech from Gradius.
Ellan: Look I played it and I still don't know what the f*** is going on here!
I felt that on a spiritual level.
I played a good chunk of the games and while it is a bit "set up your serial killer hunting board" kind of series like the chrono series it is still understandable as long as you play proud mode for all of the extra scenes.
i got an hr in and noped out between the damn cut scene special attacks that pop up 3 times per battle and not understanding the dialogue much less the story i just couldnt anymore. i'm not as young as i use to be and theres not enough time for me to decipher it anymore.
Thanks for including me, I'm honored. Granted, being called a mossy old skeleton isn't particularly...flattering, I appreciate it.
The thumbnail really made me think that Knights of the Old Republic 2 would be here, where your new character fights against a vision of Darth Revan. He’s so strong that you don’t even have to win the fight to continue but you get penalized with Dark Side points if you lose.
Now we can add another: three days ago Ubisoft confirmed a fan theory that the Jackal from Far Cry 2 (the dude causing that game's main conflict) is actually Jack Carver of Far Cry.
not a far cry boss, but i heard an awesome theory the Longinus from 4 is also like a Far Cry 2 UFLL or ALF soldier or something
I hated Far Cry 2 but I loved Far Cry 3
What? I just guessed that, a wild statement to myself, never had any proof! Though you don't fight him per se
@@cond.oriano3264 those 2 were the best in the whole series! Why's you hate 2? That's what really launched the franchise
@@kurtsudheim825 probably wasn't expecting a ludo/narrative dissonant ending like we got.
Spoilers below:
The Jackal concludes that it is he and we the protagonist (both agents of an outside nation's intelligence agency) and our merc friends (also hired by various outside elements that are meddling with the civil war for their own ends) that are the real problem here, always preventing one side or the other from winning and keeping the region and its suffering populace locked in an unending state of strife.
You’ve missed the bossfights on Devil May Cry 4, where the first boss you fight is none other then Dante, the character you’ve been playing as in all the prior games. Then fight him again halfway through the game.
Technically the vergil boss in dmc 5 also counts as you could play him in special versions of every game since dmc 3
@@Mox1990 true
@@triel14 Speaking Of The Devil And Capcom,Where Is Omega Zero,The Devil Reploid?!?!?He's You From The MMX Series!!!AND HE HAS THE FREAKIN SHUN GOKU SATSU!!!!
Not canonically though. I wouldn't count that. The only canon we got from playing Vergil in DMC3 and 4 were the cutscenes. But the places he goes through in gameplay totally never happened.@@Mox1990
In a technical sense Borderlands 2 and 3 have this with Willhelm and Nisha (just called the Sheriff of Lynchwood) from 2 and Aurelia from 3, because you can play as them in Borderlands The Pre Sequel
In my school vr game goalius is a boss in the reboot campaign where you play as shade and goalius has a new attack that is he goes invisible and fire off dainsleft blasts
The unexpected Fresh Prince reference, you love to see it, that Jazz ejection running gag was excellent
"AUGH"