What's My Line? - Charles H. Goren; Michael Redgrave; Johnny Carson [panel] (Dec 10, 1961) [UPGRADE]

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  • NOTE: This video replaces the version posted earlier today due to far superior video quality. Many thanks to Steve M. Russo for providing his copy of this episode. Steve provided many of the episodes I have from 1966 and 1967. Folks who are interested in high quality, well-edited, nicely packaged DVDs of What's My Line (and other game shows) should definitely get in touch with him.
    MYSTERY GUEST: Charles H. Goren; Michael Redgrave
    PANEL: Arlene Francis, Johnny Carson, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf
    Thanks also to epaddon for providing his earlier copy.
    To see the comments left on the original video, click here: • Video
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Komentáře • 181

  • @wiguy3
    @wiguy3 Před 9 lety +56

    Johnny Carson was the perfect guest panelist. He was amusing & witty without taking too much focus and time as so many others in that seat often did.

    • @ginnylorenz5265
      @ginnylorenz5265 Před 6 lety +3

      You know, you're right. Impeccable timing, great instinct, and class.

    • @davidsanderson5918
      @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +5

      wiguy3 Yep when someone has an ego too big that it overrides the game (Lewis, Marx, Borge, etc) it spoils it for me and I end up just gawping at the behaviour of the egomaniac on display. The best comedians I think use their craft within the boundaries of the show rather than overstepping them.

    • @JulieStJohn-jb4cy
      @JulieStJohn-jb4cy Před rokem +1

      Like Arlene’s male counterpart! LOL

  • @theindividualizt
    @theindividualizt Před 6 lety +16

    The awesome Sir Michael Redgrave!

  • @tessar.9779
    @tessar.9779 Před 4 lety +18

    When Arlene has figured out that the contestant is a swimming instructor around 17:00, John asks her what the other side of it would be (to hint at the second part of the occupation, the life guard) and Arlene shouts out: “sinking!” 😂 It’s drowned out a little by the other panelists, but I just loved that answer! 😂

  • @TomBarrister
    @TomBarrister Před 6 lety +25

    Charles Goren was one of the foremost contract bridge players of his day, but he was better-known as a teacher and ambassador of the game. His newspaper column has been running for 83 years, currently maintained by Bob Jones. Goren's point count method (which originated with Milton Work) remains a foundation of most bidding systems today.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +43

    Arlene is especially saucy tonight. Can't stop loving that woman!

    • @michaelnaisbitt1639
      @michaelnaisbitt1639 Před 5 lety +8

      Saucy. Now that is a word you never hear today. Another word lost to the English language. Today it would called Sexist and have minority’s jumping up and down screaming at how offended they are. Is it any wonder society is crumbling into a miss mush of offended minority,s Let’s fun a little fun back into society where men and women can have a joke with each other

    • @scotnick59
      @scotnick59 Před 4 lety +2

      she was just so sophisticated and nice

    • @davidsanderson5918
      @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +1

      Joe Postove She LOVES things near the knuckle, that's for sure. Strong, confident woman with a racey, raunchy wit.

    • @davidsanderson5918
      @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +2

      Michael Naisbitt Lasciviousness is equated with sexism now maybe....objectifying the other person. Sauciness, however, is something that exudes from the subject....a flirty, flaunty way with words or behaviour on the part of the person being 'saucy'. On the other hand some people think it's sexist to say "ooh she's a bit saucy" when she clearly isn't!!
      On this show though, Arlene is very often most definitely and deliberately SAUCY and I think she'd probably wink and smile if someone told her!! She knows EXACTLY what she's doing.

    • @MrJoeybabe25
      @MrJoeybabe25 Před 4 lety +1

      @@davidsanderson5918 "She LOVES things near the knuckle"...I've never heard that phrase before, David! ???

  • @chrisgreulich
    @chrisgreulich Před rokem +3

    I have to grown to really like Michael Redgrave. Good actor. I just recently saw him in Dam Busters and The Lady Vanishes. He is so good in those films.

  • @jacquelinebell6201
    @jacquelinebell6201 Před rokem +1

    I hadn't really seen Michael Redgrave before! Was lovely to see what he looked like in person. Seen all the younger Redgraves.

  • @robertmelson2130
    @robertmelson2130 Před 9 lety +12

    15:15 Arlene: "John's interested in her equipment," as John Daly holds a conference with the shapely, attractive contestant on the question of whether she uses equipment in her job. That seems to me to be very close to a boundary of what tv of this era would tolerate.

    • @jmccracken1963
      @jmccracken1963 Před 7 lety +2

      And Sally Lehman clearly looks embarrassed by Arlene's remark, too.

    • @LarsRyeJeppesen
      @LarsRyeJeppesen Před 6 lety +3

      And Arlene looked like she didn't give a f... :) brilliant

    • @loissimmons6558
      @loissimmons6558 Před 6 lety +7

      One could get away with wit of a sexual nature if it was in the form of a double entendre. If it could be easily explained to young children and there was a non-sexual interpretation, it escaped the blue pencil.
      Groucho Marx, for example, was quite opposed to overtly sexual language, considering it a cheap laugh. But he was highly skilled at the double entendre as something requiring considerable linguistic skill.
      Of course this was live TV most weeks and anything could get through on those nights. But this one by Arlene would not have been a problem.

    • @Sylvander1911
      @Sylvander1911 Před 5 lety +4

      As Art Linkletter said a few weeks earlier, Arlene Francis says the darnedest things, and charmingly.

  • @SuperWinterborn
    @SuperWinterborn Před 9 lety +26

    From about 15:15 Arlene is naughty and charming as ever, and at 21:49 she's just hilarious! ;)

  • @13loomisst
    @13loomisst Před 9 lety +15

    Delightful. Interesting to see Michael Redgrave out of character. Goren was also a treat. Smart fellow. Thanks very much.

    • @asb7395
      @asb7395 Před 8 lety +3

      I agree. Redgrave's onscreen personas are so very different, that watching him as an actor I would have little idea of how he might be in real life. And then in this interview, he comes across as a very quiet man. I have read his autobiography, and he certainly sounds far more outgoing than he is on this show.

    • @13loomisst
      @13loomisst Před 8 lety +3

      Just watched this another time, and it's just as entertaining. I have no idea why other viewers speculate that John is annoyed with Goren re the hands thing; I don't see this at all. He listens to Goren and calmly acquiesces to his explanation: "I stand properly corrected." But the main thing that jumps out at me is that Redgrave is using the exact voice he used in the excellent film "The Browning Version." Not the accent but the pinched, nasal voice.

    • @asb7395
      @asb7395 Před 8 lety +3

      13loomisst Well spotted - I thought that it sounded like his Crocker-Harris voice but the less "academic" diction threw me off the track. I love "The Browning Version" (1951) too - one of my all-time favourites. It's funny, when I first saw it, I thought that was Redgrave's actual voice and diction. Then I realised that he just assumed it for the character, but did it so convincingly that I was completely taken in :-)

  • @jmccracken1963
    @jmccracken1963 Před 7 lety +6

    Concerning the Broadway production of Graham Greene's play "The Complaisant Lover," in which Sir Michael Redgrave was one of the cast principals at the time of this episode:
    The production opened at the Ethel Barrymore Theatre on Wednesday, 1 November 1961 and closed on Saturday, 27 January 1962, after a run of 101 performances (almost 3 months). The producer was Irene Mayer Selznick; the play was staged by Glen Byam Shaw, with sets and costumes designed by Motley and lighting designed by Paul Morrison. Besides Sir Michael (who played Victor Rhodes), the cast included Googie Withers, George Turner, Christine Thomas, Sandy Dennis, Nicholas Hammond, Richard Johnson, Bert Nelson, and a young actor named Gene Wilder (as a hotel valet).

    • @thomasthompson6378
      @thomasthompson6378 Před 4 lety +1

      Googie Withers and Michael Redgrave also both appeared in "Dead of Night" (1945).

  • @soulierinvestments
    @soulierinvestments Před 9 lety +13

    Vanessa is the Redgrave Bennett mentions. Very young. My favorite movie of Michael's is the 1952 Anthony Asquith film "The Importance of Being Earnest." Fantastic material and he sinks his teeth into it. On his fiance: "You don't suppose she will become like her mother in 150 years?"

    • @mikejschin
      @mikejschin Před 4 lety +2

      Anthony Asquith began his directing career during the silent film era. His superb "A Cottage on Dartmoor" (1929) was one of the last silent films.

    • @preppysocks209
      @preppysocks209 Před 4 lety +1

      @@mikejschin Anthony Asquith was the son of British Prime Minister HH Asquith

    • @paulamiles9559
      @paulamiles9559 Před 2 lety +1

      A very favorite film.of mine. The whole cast is wonderful.

  • @davidduxbury7530
    @davidduxbury7530 Před rokem +1

    Wonderful!!I love these shows...so very addictive!!❤

  • @VahanNisanian
    @VahanNisanian Před 9 lety +9

    During the final season of the new "What's My Line?" in 1974, Lynn Redgrave was a mystery guest, as well as guest panelist.

  • @VahanNisanian
    @VahanNisanian Před 9 lety +29

    The Redgrave Family is easily the most famous acting family in British history.
    In addition to Michael, there was also his wife, Rachel Kempson, and their three children: Vanessa, Corin, and Lynn.
    Vanessa was married to British filmmaker Tony Richardson (until 1967), and together, they had two children: Natasha and Joely. Until her death in 2009, Natasha was married to action star Liam Neeson, who is Vanessa's Son-In-Law.
    These days, Vanessa, the only one of Michael's three children still living, is married to Italian actor Franco Nero.

    • @Bigbadwhitecracker
      @Bigbadwhitecracker Před 6 lety +5

      About 25 years ago, I saw Vanessa in a production of Anthony and Cleopatra, produced and directed by Corin in a very small theater in Chelsea, London. Extraordinary talent ('nuff said about their politics).

    • @battlegirldeb
      @battlegirldeb Před rokem +1

      He has another granddaughter in the acting field Jemma Redgrave daughter of Corin.

  • @thomasthompson6378
    @thomasthompson6378 Před 4 lety +5

    Really this is one of the better episodes -- thanks in large part to Arlene Francis.

  • @kenyongray2615
    @kenyongray2615 Před 3 lety +3

    Bridge was a much more popular game back in 1961 than in 2020. It is still played of course but with all the other entertainment choices, it is just not as popular. Thanks for the video.

  • @Beson-SE
    @Beson-SE Před 9 lety +16

    The second contestant was a "Lifeguard and Swimming Teacher at Men's College" at Cal Tech. It was obviously an all male college and University in 1961.

    • @neilmidkiff
      @neilmidkiff Před 3 lety +1

      Caltech's first four female undergraduates got their degrees in 1973, according to a news report I just found. So Caltech was all-male in 1961, apparently. The question raised in my mind is one about swimsuits. At Stanford University, until the mid-1970s there were separate men's and women's swimming pools; the men's pool was outdoors but surrounded by a high wall, and the custom for many years had been to swim in the nude. I got there in 1977 after a new, larger, coed swimming pool was built and the old men's pool was closed, and heard some male faculty and staff members complaining about needing to wear swimsuits at the new pool. So I'd have to imagine that in 1961 at Caltech skinny-dipping was also the rule, at least before a female lifeguard/instructor was hired.

  • @soulierinvestments
    @soulierinvestments Před 9 lety +5

    Johnny Olsen here is early in his in his WML career. He first appeared as a substitute on 5 Feb 1961, the night Dorothy Kilgallen was the mystery guest.

  • @mckavitt
    @mckavitt Před 6 lety +13

    How lovely to see Johnny Carson again!!! And such a pertinent & intuitive panellist too.

    • @kristabrewer9363
      @kristabrewer9363 Před 4 lety +1

      He's on To Tell The Truth all the time

    • @FungusMossGnosis
      @FungusMossGnosis Před 4 lety

      Pertinent and intuitive? I dunno, he seems rather dumb and uninterested in these panel lineups.

  • @keithharvey7230
    @keithharvey7230 Před 4 lety +16

    Arlene is a knockout.

  • @bbailey7818
    @bbailey7818 Před rokem +1

    Arlene is always a treat. I just saw One, Two, Three which was about to be released in December. 1961 and, playing the James Cagney character's wife, she more than holds her own, not overshadowed a bit. Brilliant.

  • @dancelli714
    @dancelli714 Před 3 lety +7

    "John is interested in her equipment." Arlene. Very funny.

    • @washoe4827
      @washoe4827 Před 3 lety

      might not be considered a nice thing to say about a married man...?

  • @ChrisHansonCanada
    @ChrisHansonCanada Před 8 měsíci +1

    Throat clearing at the very beginning of the opening credits!
    *_WORLD'S FOREMOST AUTHORITY ON THE GAME OF BRIDGE_*
    *_LIFEGUARD AND SWIMMING TEACHER AT MEN'S COLLEGE_*

  • @VahanNisanian
    @VahanNisanian Před 9 lety +20

    Anyone who is a fan of the Redgrave Family should now which of Michael's two daughters Bennett was referring to after they identified him.
    Bennett was referring to Vanessa, as Lynn had yet to pursue a career.

    • @mckavitt
      @mckavitt Před 6 lety +3

      Vahan Nisanian All three of their children became actors. Good ones. Only Vanessa, the eldest, I believe, is still w us. I was v. sad when Lynn died of cancer prematurely. Colin was abit less of a shock, but a damned good actor. RIP 🌹🌹

  • @leannsherman6723
    @leannsherman6723 Před rokem +4

    Arlene was a hoot
    😂❤

  • @davidsanderson5918
    @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +5

    My favourite comment from Arlene during one of Daly's intimate conferences with a young lady was a few episodes ago when she'd asked if the lady wore something different when she was at work. "SMALL conference" said Daly after the answer was given. After a prolonged schmooze, Arlene flatly said "John's finding out what she wears." So simple, innocuous but soo wonderfully put ...as all of a sudden it made Daly's 'conference' with a woman half his age look rather ridiculous, if not well dodgy!! Ha ha. Arlene's good at that!! :)

  • @VahanNisanian
    @VahanNisanian Před 9 lety +8

    Speaking of Lynn Redgrave, she looked sooooooo cute when she first started her career. This was evident in her earlier films, such as "Georgy Girl" (1966).
    Later, she went on to lose a good amount of weight.

  • @keithhyttinen8275
    @keithhyttinen8275 Před 2 lety +2

    That's the dark haired Johnny I remember as a young kid.

  • @nintendonerdsvideos4727
    @nintendonerdsvideos4727 Před 7 lety +5

    the game of bridge has changed so much since this Goren appearance, for example a transfer bid over a no trump bid

  • @JulieStJohn-jb4cy
    @JulieStJohn-jb4cy Před rokem

    I was “swooning” when I saw his face as he took his seat next to John. HE’S SO HANDSOME❣️

  • @larryolson8619
    @larryolson8619 Před 2 lety +3

    I wonder what they would’ve thought about how we are listening to them now.

    • @JDAbelRN
      @JDAbelRN Před 2 lety +2

      I think they would be pleased, as in aspiurtual state, they are still giving wonderful entertainment and laughter and history throughout the world, on this wonderful platform, youtube.

    • @jesssands5349
      @jesssands5349 Před 2 lety +2

      I believe they would welcome it

  • @TheCometHunter
    @TheCometHunter Před 6 lety +3

    It's rare that a guest like Sally Lehman asks John for one of those "conferences". LOL

  • @soulierinvestments
    @soulierinvestments Před 9 lety +22

    15:00 > 15:25 : Arlene was certainly witty but she could be a wise guy.

    • @thomasthompson6378
      @thomasthompson6378 Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, thank God.

    • @donnawoodford6641
      @donnawoodford6641 Před 3 lety

      I don't like "wise guy" comments which to me connotes uneasiness and/or by that person trying to prove something, persuade, or overcompensate for a deficit trait.

  • @TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods
    @TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods Před 9 lety +4

    I can't believe Arlene couldn't guess "lifeguard." It was obvious by the time she was halfway through her questioning.

  • @smithsmith9379
    @smithsmith9379 Před 8 lety +9

    Arlene's hair looks particularly good here. In recent episodes I've noticed a trend of asymmetrical hairstyles.

  • @paulamiles9559
    @paulamiles9559 Před 2 lety +3

    Arlene is just charming!

  • @algoritmosalfredohipicasig7116

    Redgrave's unnamed actress daughter was Vanessa, who turned out a royal pain what with her Revolutionary Party and PLO activism, while younger sister Lynn was a joy, especially in "Georgy Girl" -- a whole lot of woman.

  • @MrWindermere123
    @MrWindermere123 Před 5 lety +6

    I think Sir Michael Redgrave is most remembered today for his role in The Browning Version - he played a crusty, dusty schoolmaster whose wife is having a not very discreet affair and who is nicknamed The Himmler of the Lower Fourth due to his apparent lack of human feeling. He plays that part with such understatement and subtlety that you will cry when he breaks down and apologises to the whole school for his behaviour. I don't know which other actor could have done such a feat of portraying inner struggle below outer calm.

    • @preppysocks209
      @preppysocks209 Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, today almost all of these performers are best known for film although Michael Redgrave did not make many. He had an astonishing stage career but those performances are ephemeral and film is permanent. I associate him more with the Hitchcock film "The Lady Vanishes," which was made in England the year before Hitchcock emigrated.

    • @thomasthompson6378
      @thomasthompson6378 Před 4 lety +1

      I would say that Michael Redgrave's most impressive performance comes as the ventriloquist in "Dead of Night." (1945)

    • @floris.927
      @floris.927 Před 2 lety +1

      Also well remembered for playing Earnest/John in the Importance of Being Earnest, with Edith Evans as Lady Bracknell. The best version there is.

  • @fanboy2015
    @fanboy2015 Před 6 lety +8

    Dorothy looked great here.

    • @thomasthompson6378
      @thomasthompson6378 Před 4 lety +1

      As always.

    • @davidsanderson5918
      @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +1

      Jorge Almeyda I think, so far, her best look was around the mid-50s period of the show. As well as the black dress, she had a Betty Boop phase with her hair, wore long sleeved gloves and expensive jewellery.....cor!

    • @igkoigko9950
      @igkoigko9950 Před 3 lety

      Not at all attractive.

  • @kingalexander2704
    @kingalexander2704 Před 5 lety +4

    Michael Redgrave also had a very talented actor son, Corin Redgrave. Unlike the relationship with the two daughters, Michael and Corin were very close.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +5

    What musical comedy with an Israeli setting was on Broadway in 1961? "Milk and Honey" with Molly Picon!

    • @savethetpc6406
      @savethetpc6406 Před 9 lety +1

      Joe Postove
      Thanks for the info. I was wondering about that. Just curious -- did you have to look it up, or did you know?

    • @MrJoeybabe25
      @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +1

      I knew is wasn't "Fiddler On The Roof" which premiered in 1964, so I looked it up. I never saw it. IBDB.Com is the source for all things Broadway.

    • @savethetpc6406
      @savethetpc6406 Před 9 lety +2

      Joe Postove
      And besides, "Fiddler on the Roof" has nothing to do with Israel.

    • @MrJoeybabe25
      @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +1

      Right.

    • @jmccracken1963
      @jmccracken1963 Před 7 lety +1

      +Joe Postove Molly Picon did, indeed, have a very good leading role as Clara Weiss in "Milk And Honey" (and a couple of good musical numbers, too: "Chin Up, Ladies" and "Hymn to Hymie"). The other cast principals in that show were Robert Weede, Mimi Benzell, Tommy Rall, and Lanna Saunders. I think that the panelist asking that question may have thought that Robert Weede (a native New Yorker himself) could possibly have been the Mystery Guest.
      "Milk and Honey" was, by the way, Jerry Herman's first Broadway show as composer and lyricist. It ran at the Martin Beck Theatre for a little over a year and a quarter, opening on Tuesday, 10 October 1961 and closing on Saturday, 26 January 1963, after a run of 543 performances.
      It was also the second of three musicals in which baritone (and singing teacher and vocal coach) Robert Weede was one of the cast principals in the original Broadway production. The first was Frank Loesser's "The Most Happy Fella," in which he played Tony Esposito; he played Phil Arkin in "Milk and Honey"; and he also played Edward Quinn in Mitch Leigh's 1970 Broadway disaster "Cry For Us All" (which was based on William Alfred's play "Hogan's Goat," and which ran for exactly 1 week on Broadway).

  • @Beson-SE
    @Beson-SE Před 9 lety +11

    I wonder if any of the Guest Panelists ever tried being extra amusing and witty in hope of being asked to return either as a GP once again, or as a more regular GP? Or did they just see it as an extra "job" among all the other Game Shows? Not that Johnny (Arlene said John (!)) Carson had those worries since he next year, 1962, would take over THE TONIGHT SHOW.

    • @JohnSmith-ls2dt
      @JohnSmith-ls2dt Před 9 lety +1

      I often wondered this too. What made you think of this?

    • @Beson-SE
      @Beson-SE Před 9 lety +1

      John Smith It's just a feeling I have. WML was only 30 minutes once a week and the money was not THAT much but just the knowledge that you would earn some and free publicity for future job. All the stars on WML could not have been millionaires or well off. I know I would have tried if I needed the money.

  • @TheBraveIntrovert
    @TheBraveIntrovert Před 9 lety +4

    LOL I totally heard someone clear their throat at the very beginning of the video. The announcer perhaps?

  • @poetcomic1
    @poetcomic1 Před 3 lety +2

    Bennett mentions Michael Redgrave's daughter Vanessa and her debut performances.

  • @noobsshadow1369
    @noobsshadow1369 Před rokem +1

    They missed a golden opportunity to say "The students at Cal Tech know how to appreciate good Figures..." 😅

  • @bryanstorm8291
    @bryanstorm8291 Před 4 měsíci

    I wonder what they would say if someone told them people would be watching 60+ years in the future.

  • @Merrida100
    @Merrida100 Před 6 lety +3

    I suppose it comes with the territory, but Carson spends more time than Dorothy preening his hair routinely

  • @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath
    @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath Před rokem +1

    Cerf what is the only panelist who had no compunction against plugging his career. All the other panelists let the announcer or a fellow panelist, plug their careers, but Cerf was never one to miss an opportunity to plug himself or make a self serving comment disguised otherwise

  • @bigred997
    @bigred997 Před 4 lety +3

    redgrave was one tall dude.

    • @thomasthompson6378
      @thomasthompson6378 Před 4 lety +1

      And also one of the greatest actors we've ever had. If you want to see him at the end of his tether, see his terrific performance in "Dead of Night." (1945)

    • @neilmidkiff
      @neilmidkiff Před 3 lety +1

      IMDB lists him at 6' 2 1/2" (1.9 m).

    • @peternagy-im4be
      @peternagy-im4be Před rokem +1

      A shade under 7 feet tall

  • @drumbum3.142
    @drumbum3.142 Před rokem

    "John's Interested in Her Equipment.. ."
    😂😂🤣😂😂😂😆😂😂

  • @VahanNisanian
    @VahanNisanian Před 9 lety +7

    Listen closely to the sound of the man coughing at the start of this episode.
    It could be Johnny Olson.

    • @rachelehrenberg9231
      @rachelehrenberg9231 Před 4 lety +1

      I was Johnny Olson. The au
      dio man opened his microphone too early.
      (Broadcast technician here...did that more than once...)

  • @miketheyunggod2534
    @miketheyunggod2534 Před rokem

    The daughter Bennett is talking about of course is Venessa Redgrave who indeed turned out to be a fine actor.

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen
    @LarsRyeJeppesen Před 6 lety +5

    I believe this is the 3rd or 4th female lifeguard at a men's college...hmmm

  • @jamesjoyce9207
    @jamesjoyce9207 Před 8 lety +5

    just noticed the "throat clearing" at the very beginning of the titles..was that Johnny Olson getting ready?

    • @lucindasommer720
      @lucindasommer720 Před 8 lety +3

      I'm so glad you said that. I'm alone, it's nighttime, & the noise startled me. I couldn't figure out WHO was clearing his throat!

    • @loissimmons6558
      @loissimmons6558 Před 6 lety +4

      I noticed the throat clearing and then a few minutes into the program (3:03), someone off camera coughed. Chances are it was the same person.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +7

    If they were unprepared for the possibility of John not making it to the show (he says he just barely got to NYC 40 minutes ago) who would have moderated?

    • @savethetpc6406
      @savethetpc6406 Před 9 lety +7

      Joe Postove
      Good question. I suppose it's a good thing they didn't have to come up with a good answer!

    • @Beson-SE
      @Beson-SE Před 9 lety +8

      My guess is that Bennett would have replaced John.

    • @MrJoeybabe25
      @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +3

      I thought of Bennett, but then would they have gone with a three man panel?

    • @Beson-SE
      @Beson-SE Před 9 lety +2

      Joe Postove If someone of the panelists hadn't made it to the show in time, you have the same situation with a three man panel. They could not have cancelled, The Show Must Go On.

    • @MrJoeybabe25
      @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +2

      I wonder if Mark Goodson and/or Bill were at all of the airings. They could have done it. Let's ask Mickey.

  • @greglehmann7234
    @greglehmann7234 Před 4 měsíci

    Born today in 1905.

  • @algoritmosalfredohipicasig7116

    Mr. Goren's line was A Bridge Too Far. #CerfPun

  • @Matty-vw8vw
    @Matty-vw8vw Před 2 měsíci

    Goren was a famously strange guy

  • @miketheyunggod2534
    @miketheyunggod2534 Před 4 lety +3

    Imagine saying you met and shook hands with Johnny Carson.

  • @sanseifromkofu728
    @sanseifromkofu728 Před rokem

    2:20 I wonder what would have happened if John Daly hadn't been able to reach the studio that night? Anyone know?

  • @dancelli714
    @dancelli714 Před 3 lety +2

    Aren't a person's hands involved in holding the cards ?

    • @pauldhartley
      @pauldhartley Před 2 lety

      In his show he doesn't play the cards, it is four other players who play the hands.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +3

    I think Charles Goren was like God to many bridge players. I know my Mom and sister never missed his column.

    • @loissimmons6558
      @loissimmons6558 Před 6 lety +2

      +Joe Postove
      I must have been one of the "forward children" that Goren referred to when asked if children would enjoy his program. My dad taught me how to play bridge when I was in junior high school and I started playing with classmates shortly afterwards. Goren's column was in the daily newspaper that we read at home and I faithfully read his column every day.
      As I recall, at some point he shared his byline with Omar Sharif.

    • @barrykendrick3146
      @barrykendrick3146 Před 5 lety +1

      +@@loissimmons6558 You may recall books written by Richard Lederer: he wrote popular amusing books about language. He & his wife , Rhoda, taught their children games as part of their education.
      On one occasion someone failed to make it to a bridge game the Lederers were hosting. So Richard Lederer called over his 10 year old daughter, Annie, who had never played bridge. After a few minutes of instruction she & her partner became winners. The man who was her partner told her: "With 10 minutes of instruction, you play better bridge than my usual partner who has played for 10 years!"
      That girl grew up to become Annie Duke, the Duchess of Poker.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +9

    The early sixties had a charm and cultural sophistication not, in my opinion, seen since. Certainly we have become more enlightened about a lot of subjects but 1960-64 seems to encapsulate an era of good manners, sober dress, intelligent conversation, and a great diversity in arts and philosophy (the two most popular people on college campus were Ayn Rand and Bob Dylan). Not to put down other eras (I like now) but there was a specialness to this timeframe not recognized enough by modern anthropologists.

  • @davidarcudi230
    @davidarcudi230 Před 5 lety +1

    Yes. But he's no Franco Nero

  • @orgonkothewildlyuntamed6301

    Arlene almost always asks when they have to be blindfolded for 1st contestant if they're blindfolded because they would recognize them by face...............ummm, nah it's because they would be wearing a sign saying "I am.." dumb question

  • @juliansinger
    @juliansinger Před 8 lety +4

    I’m not entirely positive if the Lehman I’ve found from Pasadena is the right Lehman, because she would be 19 here (if so), and Miss Lehman looks a little older than that. But if it is the same one, she graduated from UC Berkeley in 1964, married a gent named Boynton, was an admin for various cancer research groups, married another gent named Murray, and died in 2012. Was, apparently, a Unitarian Universalist, brooker of no nonsense, organizer par excellence, and enthusiastic mom.
    Obit, if it is actually her: www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=155660898

    • @loissimmons6558
      @loissimmons6558 Před 6 lety +5

      +juliansinger
      I think it is the same person. Miss Lehman may look older than 19 simply because she is athletic and poised. Plus, some people mature faster than others.

  • @lllowkee6533
    @lllowkee6533 Před 2 lety +1

    How do you play bridge without using your hands.?

  • @soulierinvestments
    @soulierinvestments Před 9 lety +4

    21:40 > 22:00 -- One of Carson’s great comeback lines on WML. That year, he appeared as a mystery guest and had a classic squelch for a dumb question Dorothy did. Here, without too much effort, he puts one of Arlene’s dopey observations in its place. Touche’.

    • @savethetpc6406
      @savethetpc6406 Před 9 lety +10

      soulierinvestments
      I don't think Arlene's comment was dopey at all. Perhaps in general, men are not as sensitive about their age as women, but in the acting profession, they may be less comfortable divulging their real age -- especially if it is above 50. In fact, he was 53 in this appearance but could have passed for younger.

  • @anneroy4560
    @anneroy4560 Před 7 lety +10

    They say by the age of 40 you have the face you deserve ... the face your character has made ... here we have 48 year old Dorothy Kilgallen & 54 year old Arlene Francis ... Dorothy so often looks sour & disgruntled ... Arlene always looks pleased & interested ...

    • @libertyann439
      @libertyann439 Před 6 lety +4

      Anne Roy
      No she doesn't. She had a beautiful smile, Dorothy did.
      But Arlene had a more bubbly way about her an Dorothy was more serious. A braniac.

    • @barrykendrick3146
      @barrykendrick3146 Před 5 lety +3

      +@@libertyann439 And when Dorothy giggled she was totally appealing & cute. Another thing I like is how Dorothy "looks askance" in certain situations.

    • @davidsanderson5918
      @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +2

      Anne Roy They are VERY different personalities. Dorothy's an introvert. Arlene's an extrovert. Dorothy's a writer. Arlene's a performer. Dorothy's competitive. Arlene's easygoing. So their expressions stem from how they handle a situation rather than one being more 'sour' than the other.

    • @gilliankew
      @gilliankew Před 3 lety +2

      Dorothy did a tough job in a man’s world. She was expert at ferreting out the truth but she did it gracefully and courteously. She may not have had Arlene’s quick wit but she was the perfect complement to Arlene’s jokey nature

    • @igkoigko9950
      @igkoigko9950 Před 3 lety +2

      Well said, Anne. Dorothy at her best never approached even Arlene’s worst, Arlene being far above average, while In all physical respects Dorothy was below.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +3

    Charles Goren was pretty emphatic that he didn't use his hands, and I think this P.O. John Daly a little.

    • @TheGadgetPanda
      @TheGadgetPanda Před 9 lety +4

      Yeah, that was a strange one. We've seen plenty of examples of better-informed guests rolling over and accepting John's corrections, but this was that rare moment when the guest was clearly wrong, John clearly right and yet he let the guest's answer stand. Weird.

    • @savethetpc6406
      @savethetpc6406 Před 9 lety +3

      ***** Joe Postove
      It is hard to imagine someone playing bridge without using his hands, but I'm not familiar with his TV show. Did he actually use cards himself on the show, or did he just advise other people? If the latter, perhaps that's why he insisted that he didn't use his hands. I agree that it seems unfair, though. Someone here mentioned that Goren also wrote a column about bridge, and unless he dictated it to someone else, (which is possible), he probably used his hands for that too.

    • @MrJoeybabe25
      @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +1

      It seems like on the show they somehow managed to show people how to play bridge without using their hands. Maybe it was on in West Virginia, then they would have used their feet. But Dorothy wouldn't know anything about West Virginia. Actually it sounds like they used a big board to showcase cards for the TV audience.

    • @ghshinn
      @ghshinn Před 9 lety +7

      Joe Postove I used to read Goren's column and I think he was being technical. While I'm sure he played bridge from time to time, he did not do so on the TV program. It was basically a demonstration that he narrated and others played. It was, in fact, much like his column, and explanation of bridge techniques, which was what his actual job was. A friend in my bridge club said once that if you were ever lucky enough to have Goren in a bridge game, make sure he was your partner.

    • @TheGadgetPanda
      @TheGadgetPanda Před 9 lety +1

      ghshinn Yes, but remember his stated occupation was not TV show host nor was it columnist, no the screen overlay read, "WORLD'S FOREMOST AUTHORITY ON GAME OF BRIDGE". I think it would be mighty tough to be a foremost authority on any game without actually playing it from time to time.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +1

    A little after the 2:00 minute mark, Bennett describes John Daly as, I think, the Charles Connery of panel moderators. Did I hear him correctly? And who was he talking about? Football player?

    • @savethetpc6406
      @savethetpc6406 Před 9 lety +3

      49yt
      Thanks for the link. +Chris Barat had explained who Conerly was on the original comments page for this video (see www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh20d...), and soulierinvestments replied that both Mr. and Mrs. Conerly had once appeared on WML. I remembered a football player's wife once being on the show as a sportswriter, but I wouldn't have remembered either her name or his, and it was good to see the whole segment (and episode) again.

    • @epaddon
      @epaddon Před 6 lety +3

      Charley Conerly was the quarterback for the NY Giants.

  • @kristabrewer9363
    @kristabrewer9363 Před 4 lety +2

    ARLENE!!!!!! (this is NOT a dirty show)

  • @RobertR3750
    @RobertR3750 Před 5 lety +3

    Did Dorothy really only weigh 106 lbs? My, how times have changed. 99% of the women I see are nowhere near that.

    • @preppysocks209
      @preppysocks209 Před 4 lety +2

      I suspect Johnny was being flattering rather than literal

    • @davidsanderson5918
      @davidsanderson5918 Před 4 lety +1

      RobertR3750 No she has a rather robust waistline. :)

  • @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath
    @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath Před rokem

    It was sure genius of Cerf and Daly to put on their phony adversarial banter just so all the plugs for Random House that Daly, Goodson, and Todman allowed Cerf to make did not appear like the advertisements they were. The visual equivalent of these plugs today would be product placement. If you believe that Cerf, at the very last moment, just happened to figure out who the bridge player guest was whose book he had published, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you. In one episode, with unusual candor Cerf said to Daly, you’ve got to have more people on here whose books I published. If you are naive and think this would be beneath Cerf, google “famous writers school scam” or read some of the more than 1000 page transcript of his oral history at Columbia University. In it, you will find him always making self-serving comments many of which are highly unlikely to be truthful, and you will find him saying ill of the dead as long as they’re Gentiles like Dorothy, Judy Garland and Errol Flynn just to name a few

  • @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath
    @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath Před rokem

    The more I watch these WML reruns the more I know this was a rigged game show, much if not all of the time. Dorothy knew it was Michael Redgrave when she said she did but it was Cerf’s assigned night to shine. When johnny said to Dorothy, you sneak, he didn’t mean what we think. He meant that she was pretending like she didn’t know.

  • @jjcameron7977
    @jjcameron7977 Před 3 lety +1

    Ditto last comment$

  • @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath
    @GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath Před rokem

    You have to listen between the lines on what Dorothy and Johnny say to each other, and remember that this was back during the time when game shows were rigged. $50 was not that much money even then and I’m guessing Goodson and Todman cheap though they were gave every guest the $50 in the end so that if they were found out the contestants had no claims.

  • @MrJoeybabe25
    @MrJoeybabe25 Před 9 lety +1

    Gee willikers! The Michael Redgrave MG spot was dreadful. Where's that guy who stuffs salami?

    • @loissimmons6558
      @loissimmons6558 Před 6 lety +1

      +Joe Postove
      It was hunting season in NY State and that guy had a taxidermy job.

  • @Baskerville22
    @Baskerville22 Před 4 lety

    Carson's ears look fake....
    Bennett again takes a sideways look at the name on the board....

    • @mikejschin
      @mikejschin Před 4 lety +2

      It was the same with Joey Bishop...it seems that the makeup people did their faces but not their ears. The effect was that the ears looked like they were made of wax or something.

  • @lllowkee6533
    @lllowkee6533 Před 2 lety

    Redgrave just acted bored.

  • @gailsirois7175
    @gailsirois7175 Před 3 lety +2

    Would have enjoyed wml lots more if cerf had never been on..creep

  • @krystonjones
    @krystonjones Před 5 lety +1

    I would say this: It’s only fair to say, with your permission, to see people such as Daly become overweight through time on programs such as these, (in the broadest sense of the term). Whereas the minority, such as Bennett, remained trim and handsome their entire life. I am a reluctant proselytiser, but I must say this: Give up the boozing, replace it with something beneficial such as swimming or tennis.. you will feel great all the time, as opposed to just when your shlozzled, then worse for wear after the fact. And with smoking often going hand in hand, I must say, it’s incremental suicide, besides leaving you looking terrible.

  • @gailsirois7175
    @gailsirois7175 Před 3 lety

    This was cheaters day on wml...one of many..and cerf is one of the most proficient...but Arlene is pretty bad