THIS IS NOT A TOY | The 2020 1/12th IFMAR World Championship
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- I kick off my 2020 season with the BRCA who kindly invited me down to the 1/12th IFMAR World Championship, held in Centre:MK, Milton Keynes, UK on 09-12 Jan 2020.
This technical behind the scenes shows you what goes into the world of model RC car racing.
Very well done Video Tim. Thank you for giving our hobby some well represented coverage!
My pleasure! Thank you!!
Excellent info and very useful to show to people who do not know our racing😊
Very well explained. It was also great to see Robin Schumacher as he was the one that helped me with setting up my car back in 98 at the first Reedy race of championships for touring cars held at Ripon, Cal. My first big race as I pitted next to Robin during one of the practice days.
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Dude at the end gives the best advice.
Excellent video!
Awesome looking toy cars!
Shut up
*model
Toy
Times have changed from the days of Delta Super Phasor and Associated 12e cars competing in parking lots.
So many mens' dream come true.
Those were the days I still have my associated 12l with a 12t trinity motor will never get rid of it
Simply, WOW! This is serious stuff. Of which I'd had little idea.
yup, its evolved some but was serious back in earlier days of BoLink and Associated pan cars powered by brushed motors and 4 cell NiCd packs.
Always nice to see a great video of 1/12 rc scale made by an external guy out of RC world, very well done.
If all RC channels in this RC industry do videos like this I think more people will be more interested to watch a video to the end maybe and not boring watch a video of cars go round a track with any explanation. Tim thanks for this video . I hope you will do more
And its always nice to have a positive feedback! Thank you!
Many moons ago, I was ‘into’ RC racing, but its been many years since I raced. Maybe I should try my hand at it again…
Sadly, many channels show what they want to see, rather than what an audience might want to see. That’s what I hoped to achieve with this video and sounds like I have for you.
Hopefully more videos like this can follow.
If you enjoyed this one, maybe check my channel - lots of content there. If you like what you see, maybe support me by subscribing?
Thanks again for your kind words, means a lot.
Nice video!..good and clear explanation about Pancar-racing!😃
Thank you! 👍
Great view of our hobby!
Expensive …………beautiful ……………TOYS😉………👍🏿
Shut up
rc guy fam.....we play with toys ......and it’s ok.......✌🏾❤️🥞
@@dolobrolic6066 I'm also a radio controlled guy.
But I hate it when somebody calls them "toys", cause it's sounds to me like that he compares an 1200€ rc car with an 30€ Walmart car.
@@dolobrolic6066 if you are having fun... its a toy
@@RC-ty5ym When someone tells me that's a toy I go nuts too, they are scale MODELS.
They are still toys. ;)
They were asking for it with that title in all CAPS
Theibault “TOYS” don’t have an inherent danger involved with the function of it. You can hurt people with these things which makes them dangerous and not “TOYS” they are also not marketed to people under 14 yrs of age!
@@slyknezz6862 They serve no practilce purpose and by the definition of the word, they are toys. Get over yourself. It's ok that you are a grown man playing with toys.
You both have a point. These are still toys, but they have nothing in common with the stuff you'd see in a Target toy isle.
Man those are quick !
When a hobby turns into a profession, toys turn into tools. 🔨🔧🏹🏎
Is the World Cup just a bunch of grown men playing with a toy ball?
YES lol
Interesting view. I’d now like to see the difference with a big event here in States. Don’t think they could cone close.
I’ve just stepped into 1/12. Like it. But despite its long history, it’s got very limited presence in Chicagoland.
Would love to come out and see that!
Rimfire Junkie I’ve had them for couple years. But just this year got to star running them. Unfortunately I usually work when they have on road race here. So I don’t get to race on road much anymore.
I used to run at MKRCTC in the late 90s / early 00s and we did a few rounds at CMK, then they jacked up the prices... which killed the event
Have considered getting back into it recently
This is really cool !
Nice video 👍 looks like a good turn out 😎
Awesome work!
Great video production.
Well done Tim and team, great showcase of what 1/12th R/C is all about or any other R/C racing class for that matter.
I raced against Robin Schumacher in the early days, 1981, (his dad, Cecil Schumacher introduced the 'ball diff' to these R/C cars, in about 1979.
'Toy' verses 'not a toy' - who cares? it's really about extreme 'motor racing' that is accessible to those with the skills, commitment, time and money to make it happen.
All depends on your own personal definition of what a 'toy' is.
The problem with the word 'toy' is it's usually taken to mean something that is 'not serious'. However, we know these race cars are very 'serious' - no question about that.
I can't understand anyone that does not see top R/C car racing as 'serious' - however, no reason why it cannot be mostly 'good natured', with a good deal of 'chivalry' shown by most 'combatants'.
I have seen one person in these comments try to define a 'toy' based on 'size', i.e. can you climb into it or not!
Please note, full size R/C cars do exist - but no-one really races them for obvious reasons (not fast enough, only limited 'fun' factor, plus even more expensive and inaccessible!)
There are 'model cars' that are 'shelf queens' - no problem with that, and many people have classic vehicles of all shapes and sizes that are never 'used' - no problem with that either.
What sets these cars apart is they are 'raced' and no question they are very fast and need lightening fast driving skills and hand/eye co-ordination.
If you watch enough CZcamss you can find plenty of R/C racing that is some of the most entertaining and 'edge of the seat' out and out 'racing' in the world.
Keep an eye out for Michal Orlowski and Bruno Coelho to name but 2 of the current best! - worth looking up Masami Hirosaka as well and many many others from various R/C scales over the last 50 years.
By the way these cars are very 'real' alright - you can touch them as opposed to 'virtual' cars which you cannot - more below on what a 'virtual' R/C car can do that 'real' ones cannot!
As in all 'racing' - ongoing developments always improve the 'breed' and in over 40 years of development this particularly class of car (1/12th scale on-road) has been bred to go round a carpet track faster than any other class of R/C.
That 'need for speed' is what makes them so special and exciting.
Toys verses what?
Dictionary definition of a 'toy'- is a "child's plaything"!
These are clearly not 'child's playthings'. You cannot race them in your front living room for a start!
Maybe it depends on your definition of what a 'child' is? (Typically 'child' means: human under the age of 18!)
I see no problem with 'children' aged about 8 to 17 driving these things, it's a potential life long 'healthy' obsession with going as fast as you can.
Now to the bottom line to shut up the 'nay sayers':
The majority of people who would call these racing cars 'toys' are simply not in a position to drive these cars fast, so they are not really qualified to comment.
They are probably guilty of 'sour grapes' because they cannot do it or they 'gave up', or simple 'jealously' or 'hill billy-ism' or 'trolling' (all negative traits and best avoided like the plague).
To give you some idea of how 'rare' these top drivers are, there maybe only 50 people in the whole world that can successfully drive the fastest version of these cars (modified 6.5 turn motors) flat out on a track like this,
- and it's estimated that only 6 of them live in the UK!
(That's why we have the 'stock' (slower motor) class for the rest of us mere mortals!)
Ask any of these top 50 R/C racers if they think these cars are 'toys' and the majority of them will confirm they are not 'toys', they are bona fide 'racing cars'.
I have no problem with people calling them grown up 'toys' just like a full size Ferrari could be considered someone's favorite 'toy'.
However, I see them more as an 'addictive obsession' with the 'need for speed' and an 'adrenalin rush', just like riding a motorbike - you feel 'alive' when racing - i.e. one of the best feelings in the world - win or lose!
No policemen and no courts can tell you to slow down when R/C racing and this beats full sized racing with no-one to kill or injure in an accident - unless you do not protect your battery from fire and burning your house down.
'Toys' that can burn your house down are usually banned from sale. These racing cars are not banned from sale so by definition they cannot be 'toys' - I rest my case!
Also note that R/C car racing is more affordable than full size car racing, only some forms of Karting could be done more economically.
I've seen grown men crying when crashing out of the UK 'RAC' full size rally or full size 'F1' race. I've never seen anyone crying when crashing out of an R/C race - we just 'live and learn' to fight another day.
Sure you get bad days - and even 'upset' painful days, but mostly you learn and come back stronger. Those who cannot take it, leave - only the strongest of the strong carry on.
The people at the top are some of the most positive and 'can do' people I've ever had the pleasure to meet and the governing body in UK (the 'BRCA') is one of the best run organisations in the UK.
Also a shout out for 'VRC Pro' - a PC based R/C virtual car racing - you can get the same 'race feeling' without the expense and time travelling - (or just use it for practice.)
- and you get to race for hours in 'ghost mode' without being 'T-boned' off by anyone = zero agro from the carelessness or bad luck or bad manners of others - can't do that in the real world!
Such is the power of a 'virtual world': you get nearly all the benefits, loads of track time with no agro from real world: breakages, tire replacement and equipment weaknesses.
Notice how iRacing has so many complaints about t-boning! Best not to go there until they realise the benefits of 'ghost mode'. Having said that iRacing NASCAR nose to tail does look great while it lasts!
That’s awesome. Thank you so much for the comments, really appreciate all the feedback and insights there! Lots of very good points to the argument, I may steal some of these in future! Haha!
You deserve more subscribers. Video quality is awesome!!
Thanks buddy, that means a lot ☺️
If you enjoyed this video, maybe take a look at this week's video - behind the scenes at BAC, the makers of the Mono Supercar! czcams.com/video/gbQQDEzLJg0/video.html
Please.... its still a toy car. Accept it as it is, throw away your ego and the hobby will grow even more.
I mean, to be fair these ARE serious racing machines - you won't find one of these in the toy isle at Target unless they had a major bookkeeping error and somehow accidentally bought stock from Schumacher instead of New Bright, and it takes a lot of skill to drive them properly. But they're also devices with no practical use, used almost entirely for the enjoyment of the user, so they are still toys in the broadest sense of the term.
@@VestedUTuber fax
Yh so stop being jealous 😂
This is
ridiculous that you have to state that it´s not a toy, are people really that dumb nowadays and think this is something for the little kid back home?! Anyways, this is supercool. Have competed in this class a couple of years ago and kind of miss it :)
Chris FPV get back into it!!! 👍👍
They are toys, just big boys toys. And before you say anything, I'm 61 with a sizable collection.
rc cars are small toys, ferraris are big toys, they're just really fast
LMFAO!!!....these ARE toys:)
Try setting one up!!
Anything is a toy if you use it to have fun. A full-size car can be a toy. The distinction is between kids' toys and adult toys - if it requires lots of skill to operate properly and especially if it costs a lot of money then it's not a kids toy. People tend not to class these things as toys because they're more akin to serious sports equipment.
@@stanleycorr1839 lol adult toys
Big boys toys 😁
Men = little boys with money 😉
Yep, I have a few toys myself 👍
it is a toy. every rc driver says that
How many professional RC drivers competing at world championships do you know?
@@toolbaggers professional? there arent many professionals, i would say 30, but those 30 are living from rc
@@wiktoriusssssssss
On top of that, most of those 30 are most likely doing other jobs at the manufacturer they drive for as well.
@@VestedUTuber yeah thats true
At 04:10 I see the green car let the nerves beat him, he crashed! Safety car incoming!
Ha! Having driven cars at this scale at a fraction of the speed, it only takes a millisecond to make a mistake. Turn even a fraction to early or late can make all the difference. For every element scaled down, it’s amplified on track
@@OurTim I have my old nitro cars that get to about 65mph and I lost control and hit a parked car, ended up ruining the chassis. I just loved how you actually managed to catch that, without actually meaning too 😂
"Not a toy" - Depends on your definition of toy. These are toys in the same way a full-sized "track toy" sports car or a combat robot is a toy - it's an object or device with no practical use, used primarily for the enjoyment of the user. This is the broadest definition of the term, and the only one that can really be applied to these cars. In all other senses they are not toys.
It's good to keep a bit of perspective.
Very true my friend
Would you consider a football a toy? Are F1 cars toys? A "track toy" is used for recreational purposes. These are corporate sponsored, RC professionals. You state "no practical use....enjoyment of the user." These people get paid to win races. Making MONEY is very practical.
When a hobby becomes a profession, toys turn into tools. 🔧🔨🏹🏎=💲
@@toolbaggers
You do realize that the only people actually getting paid to race are the drivers that 100% work for their manufacturers in other ways, right? RC sponsorships don't work like full-size racing sponsorships, in most cases you're lucky to get a 10% discount. And IFMAR doesn't do cash prizes. This is NOT in any way a major commercialized event like F1, and IFMAR is not a commercial juggernaut like the FIA.
Regardless, the "these aren't toys" argument results in a toxic mindset. I've seen people come to blows on the driver stand at club races simply because someone passed them, I've seen corner marshals getting harassed for "taking too long" to put a car back on its wheels, and I've heard horror stories about drivers teaming up and having one of them sandbag just so that they can get in the way of other drivers so that their buddy can frontrun the entire race. All because they've lost sight of the fact that they're just racing heavily engineered toy cars for a plastic trophy.
Man, I dabbled in this very expensive hobby for a few years and let me tell you, I've seen some of those cars do 160mph + The fastest I got mine was to 110mph
ivydude13 that’s true
True, but you're not going to see anything like that here. Speedrun cars are a completely different aspect of the hobby from racing.
Not 1/12 though. These cars are stupid fast at accel and cornering- but they’re not top speed maniacs.
Why single-cell LiPos? Why not use 2s?
Let's be real, theyre toys lol
No
They are toys, but definitely not for kid😉
What are the estimated speeds? Very fast looking
RFF. Really f*****g Fast!
How much does it cost to get one of these babies compete there?
Good question! I don't know for sure but at a guestimation, a few thousand, after you've bought all the kit!
At this level? Don't bother yourself.
If you're lucky, there's a local track near you.
Better to start there.
Starting with nothing, expect to spend at least $500 just to get one up and running.
Caution; 1/12 scale racing is not very popular in some areas.
On the other hand, 1/10 touring cars seem to be everywhere.
@@richarddarlington1139
Good to hear 1/10th TC is making a comeback at least. Back when I was racing, SCT pretty much killed everything else.
Toy cars, not babies
what is the price for a top level car like this with all you need?
Best advice is to find your local club and go from there. But given the kit these guys have, I’d expect £1000s
@@OurTim Thank you
Toy cars ,yes they are get over it
Show me the British driver has the flag upside down.
F1 technology = F1 cost
these toys are neat! jk lol
So you need Cat reflexes to race these Cars.
Yes... or Superman. Didn't see anyone wearing a cape mind...
I have a 1/1 scale race car and I my wife says it's a toy.
MrTaylorTexas 😂
Hmmm what are the winning prizes like in this stuff
esmokebaby a jar of fruit candies
money
It's a toy.
haha, they defo are toys!
Kevin Talbot they run on 1s and are still this fast
@@adamintheoutdoors2119 uhmmm what? What does that have to do with Talbot's comment?
@@alb9022 nothing. Waffles is a Kevin SIMP and just got hard seeing his comment.
On a side note Waffles' comment should be taken as wisdom with his current "world's fastest RC car project" or what I call Kevin's "White Whale."
That's definitely a toy, it's an expensive hobby grade one, but it's still a toy
in that case... all those "real cars" are just "real hobbies". right?
@@ikeepmoving Depends on whether you use your car as a toy or a tool
@@bacon.cheesecake you're moving the goal post. a full size racing car is not intended for work. It's a big boy toy. scale racing is for the little guys. all forms of racing are a hobby.
@@ikeepmoving I agree with everything you just said, seems like there may have been a misunderstanding somewhere.
@@bacon.cheesecake sorry for misunderstanding you. cheers!
"F1 grade technology"
Cars have no rear wheel diff.
Other than great video i really like this sort of things.
In my defence, one of the drivers was F1 Mercedes Team Engineer who was using the same tolerances, approach and (one or two) tools on his car. But appreciate the feedback 👍 glad you enjoyed the video ☺️
I own an Associated R12R5.2.
It doesn't use a gear diff, but it does use what's known as a ball diff.
Completely adjustable to full lock.
Brilliant concept, actually.
@@richarddarlington1139
Most 1/10th scale electric vehicles and even some nitro ones use ball diffs. You don't really see traditional sealed gear differentials on higher-end machines until you start getting into the 1/8th scale stuff.
yes they do
I disagree. I believe they are toys. I race a team associated sc6.1 and a sc5 every weekend but i say they are toy cars. U cant get inside and drive it so therefore its a toy car not a real car lol
real cars are toys. no one needs to drive them, people are just too lazy. these things are cutting edge science
@@CrRodney1 but real automobiles help you from day to day to make your 30min or however long drive to work easier. There more of a tool to make life easier. Alot easier then riding horse back or walking and or running lol. A rc car does non of that. They are not different from a toys r us or Walmart or RadioShack rc besides the fact u can tune them alot more. They use the same form of controlling it. Some of these rtr radios are no diff the toy store radios they have a servo they have a motor a battery a charger and somesort of a esc. Some even have oil filled shocks. That would be like saying a snapon tq wrench with vibration and a digital gauge is a tool but cheap harbor freight tq wrench isnt. Its a toy even though they both do the samething at the end of the day one is just more expensive and has more science behind it lol
Looks like a toy to me. RIP ankles.
Get off the track!
Great video!