Which Is Right For You? Scout Bobber Twenty VS Chief Bobber Dark Horse VS Springfield Dark Horse
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All five stars for you, sir! You present the most useful analysis on CZcams. Graphics support your data perfectly, and the presentations are structured intelligently. I appreciate your adding the overall length data. Love your content. Cheers from the Canadian prairies.
Thanks Guy! Hello Canada 👍
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I am an American with a standard scout, being 5'8" tall, I got an after market seat and it changed the feel completely. my biggest gripe with the scout is the lack of cruise control and range. I'm not touring with it but I have had to take it on 200+mi trips. Holding my wrist back is not fun, much less having to stop for gas. I'm probably going to get a Chief then mod it to fit me like I did with my scout.
Can't you add a cruise control on the scout?
@@johndalber1165 Yes you can, and a throttle rocker.
As a previous owner of a scout (not bobber - don't need an even shorter suspension) and current springfield owner, here's my 2 cents: scout: great performance, low seat, muuuch lighter than the other 2, liquid cooled engine - hard suspension for passenger. New chief: lighter and more modern than other cruiser/baggers, but has limited luggage/seat options. Springfield: can use touring seat from roadmaster, and even matching hard trunk. Lacks navigation, but something I can live without. Wife won't give up that touring seat ever.
I really really appreciate how you show how the 2 of you fit on the bikes with your different heights. So simple but so helpful. Great video and once again it’s awesome how you show both of you how you guys fit the bikes. Fantastic. 👌
Thank you! Glad you like them! 👍
I’m 5’8 and loved the Springfield ride with the ape hangers
Side by side ergonomics comparison still serving after 2 years. Just chiming in from the US, I'm 5'7" (1,702 mm) with a 27" (686 mm) inseam. My Bobber 20 has the most comfortable riding position in a bike I have owned. My legs stretch out in front of me a bit, but I never feel like I am reaching. I sit upright, arms slightly downward to the handlebars, with a slight bend in my arms. I think my comfort+ seat sits a bit lower than yours, but I can flat-foot the bike. Of course I had to upgrade the shocks and the seat for comfort, but in it's current form I can ride for hours with no discomfort, and I feel fine afterword.
I'll be headed to my Dealership this weekend for their factory demo event of the entire 2024 lineup. I've reserved a Chief Darkhorse for a test ride.
Banger video mate!
i have a springfield darkorse 2021 with the twelve in mini apes i did 530km the other day and felt very comfortable the whole way . i am 6' 1" the 12" minis are very comfortable. And my butt said i could go another 500km easy. great adjustable suspension.
I am so excited to see the new height range idea. I fall on the short end of spectrum at 5'3" and this would be SO helpful. I presently ride a Scout, but the feet forward controls are still an issue I believe. You have a new subscriber from Canada.
Thank you Ray! Hello Canada 👍
I am 5' 5" and just bought a 2020 20 bobber and it fits me well. I did have to pull the 1/2 Ape Hagers back 4 inches.
Great and professional comparison, RESPECT of how much work you have put in it!.....I am 6" (1,83 m) and almost 34" inseam and have the "normal" Springfield. That handle bar geometry fits perfect for me. Regards from Germany
Thanks Björn! Hello Germany 👍
At 5'8 I'd go for the the Bobber Chief but it depends what you want the bike to do. Also a fairing and a top box for stowing my helmet and shopping as I have with my current bike.
I’m really impressed, best comparison seen on CZcams for the Indians I’m interested in and made my decision easier, Thx!
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful 👍
I'm 5'9 and I have a Springfield Darkhorse. I just put 16" apes on it and i'm very comfortable on it. It's the most comfortable bike I have ever owned. The stock bars were fine also.
There you go, clearly it's a body proportion issue. I'm now wondering if your longer in the torso and have a shorter inseam? Thanks for the feedback AD I really appreciate it as it helps me build a bigger picture for future videos 👍
@@BikesILike 5’9 with a 30-31 inch inseam
@@augustdrums1247 Thanks for the measurements AD 👍
As a proud owner of a stunning 2019 Indian Springfield in gray and burgundy, I've found my forever bike. Cruiser heaven, all day, every day.
Regular scout seats are lower than the springfields by a few inches. I could lift my buff off the scout, even with a corbin seat, but only tiptoe on the springfield.
Thanks for the videos, Currently looking at swapping from Harley to Indian and your videos on the three main Indians we have in Australia and on the springfield which im leaning more towards have been very informative. Cheers mate
Practically nobody stays with the stock seat, I have a 2019 Springfield DH am 6' 2 1/2 inches tall and put in a CCrider seat and have never been more comfortable on a bike or happier with my choice. There are many seats out there for tall riders to have maximum comfort on the bike they choose so I really think it is a non- issue, What is an issue is an inexperienced rider being on a bike they cannot handle due to the bikes size or weight and understanding the performance factors under weight such as braking and maneuvering out of danger. Sad to say anyone can ride a motorcycle in a straight line but if you do not develop and learn riding skills you are exposed for the worst in life to come your way. I was lucky enough to learn from the best , Motor pool cops and my attitude is always I still no nothing. I love Indian videos keep them coming thank you and hope this helps
I learned a lot from this very methodical and clear comparison.
Great article. My biggest grip is NO mid-mount feet controls. Option for this are very expensive and then limits you the choice of exhaust options. I will say this, Indian does have great products.
after owning the bobber for three years, I took the SuperChief Limited out for a test ride. Very Impressed. If. I wasn't giving up my v-twinn I would keep it ...The Super Chief that is! I should have bought that to begin with.
Thanks for sharing your experience James, very interesting. What is it about the Super Chief that you find most appealing?
I am American and the same height as you, Bil and have to agree with your assessment. I have not really even thought of a Scout but now looking at it due to your review. Thank you for assembling this analysis.
You're welcome Stephen, definitely check it out. The tractor seat is the key for maximum ergonomic comfort for someone our height on the Scout Bobber Twenty though. If you haven't seen it you can watch my Scout Bobber Twenty ride review here - czcams.com/video/nwSK8B1iX5w/video.html
@@BikesILike I just reviewed it and another informative review. Thank you!
Excellent video, I'm 6' 2" and the struggle is real.
Well reviewed, mate. I'm probably looking at that Chief. I love my 103" H-D Softail, but if this is all that and a bag of chips I may trade in.
Thanks Chris! I think Indian are going to have a bit of a hit on their hands with the new Chief line up. 👍
5'6" hell yeah !
Okay, I see you are comparing _bobbers._ One of the obvious issues with _bobbers_ is comfort in the wee bucket seat. If you can live with that then fine, but adjusting the _Chief Bobber Dark Horse's_ bars and changing to a seat with more options would maximize your comfort needs. I like the _Scout_ a lot, but tire, range, brake feel and other iffy issues would make my first choice the _Chief._
Thanks,
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Thank you for posting this. To me as a 6’2 rider the dark horse seems to get the best power/comfort/value
I'm really leaning towards a scout bobber twenty... hopefully next year..great video..subbed 👍
Thanks for the sub!
I have a little trouble believing that the scout has some of the best ergonomics for taller people over the bigger cruisers. I've sat on all of them and I don't really feel as if that could be the case. I'm 5'8, and the bigger bikes were roomier than the littler ones. Still, I think you do a good job trying to work everything out for the viewers. You do add empirical numbers for us hard-headed USA viewers, but you didn't do that for all the measurements, I think. Indian is on the right track. I wish they kept some of the Victory models. I just bought the Highball. If Victory was still around, I would be a customer for life. I think Victorys look a bit better than the Chief. I'm going to keep my eye on Indian because I think they work hard to create the better cruiser. Well, better than HD lol. Metric cruisers have their charm.
Love those Indian motorcycles!
They just keep getting better and better👍
Scout Bobber wins for me. I prefer the water cooled engine, the beefy front tire and the lighter weight. I am 5' 10". I am planning on buying one by August.
Thanks for the scale diagrams. Really helpful!
My scouts fuel light always came on around 100 miles
Yes u get between 115 and 120 miles. No more than that.
Subscribed! This is such a great idea! I'm 6'2'' and ergonomics are on the top of my list when considering a bike.
Welcome aboard! You can see all the bikes I've covered so far for ergonomics right here tinyurl.com/DIF-Videos
Great video! I picked up a 2022 chief bobber dark horse and so far after 400 miles im getting 42mi to the gallon. Fantastic content
Thanks Chad! And thanks for the feedback on fuel economy, much appreciated 👍
Enjoy your new Chief!!
Im currently waiting on the chief bobber dark horse. CANT WAIT!!
@@JOSHLEWTKD You are one lucky Thranth!!
Very thorough and well done comparison Sir. I'm 5'11" and some change. My Scout is awesome for my height after I moved the handlebars up and got mini floorboards. I'm considering another scooter so will ride both the Chief and Springfield and decide after. My Scout is a dream come true for me and still can't believe I own one, but for longer 6+ hour rides I'd like something to accommodate that. I'm guessing the Springfield, but we'll see..
Cheerz!
Thanks Dave! I rode both the Scout and Springfield and the Scout Bobber Twenty really impressed me especially for ergonomic comfort. The Springfield was very nice and plush to ride with beautiful pulling power but I did struggle with the ape bars on the Springfield. If you haven't seen those videos you can watch them here. - Scout czcams.com/video/nwSK8B1iX5w/video.html Springfield czcams.com/video/xMBRqnZqjzM/video.html 👍
When I first got my ISB it got 35mpg now that I've put 18k miles on it it gets 55mpg+ seems like the more miles I get on it the better it gets. I did however just sell my ISB and ordered the ISDH.
Wow the fuel economy greatly increased as the engine loosened up, nice!
Have a 2021 Springfield Darkhorse on order and also ordered the Vintage Darkhorse bars that are swept back and lower. Going to have bar swap done before i take possession
Very useful information and it gives me a great advantage on my next choice.
However, the next bike I purchase (here in the US) I think I'm going to take the time and spend the extra money to rent each and every one of them for at least 24 hours.
I have never done it before but as I get older and wiser, I think it's the smartest way to go to truly know if the bike fits my needs properly.
If you're in a position to do that I think it's a very good idea. You don't really get to know a bike until you've spent some time on it. 👍
Bet those two had an “excellent adventure” together
Not sure why this comment doesn't have at least 1 thumbs up. Well played!
Yet another amazing, well put together detailed, entertaining and fabulous video. I’d be happy if you were the only motorcycle vlogger I watched. Clearly tons of hard work and research goes into your content. Thanks 🇨🇦
Thanks so much Rocky! 👍 Is CA California? If so, hello California!
@@BikesILike nope CA is Canada 🇨🇦. Keep up the great work brother 👍🏼
@@rockylion4382 Ahhh I see, doh! In that case, hello Canada! 😁
@@BikesILike 😁🙏🏼
I love these type of reviews
I have the scout bobber I get 34.8 MPG. US 🇺🇸 gallon. I met a lot of scout riders and the best I heard of was 36 MPG.
Thanks for the feedback 👍
For a suggestion, you need to know inseam leg length, arm length and torso length. 6 foot isnt the same for everyone.
Good video, very informative 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
awesome! looks like the scout is more my kind of bike. great review
Springfield Dark Horse in white for me 😎😜
Perfect video, perfect narration. Thank you so much ✌🏻
Thank you! 👍
Very good video - thanks
Thank you, you're welcome 👍
I’m 5’10” and want a chief dark horse
i have a 2023 scout bobber. I get MAX 160km to a tank. Not sure why, but thats what i get :/
Hi Bil, could you be so kind as to explain the differences between the Scout line of Indian bikes such as the Scout Bobber Sixty, Scout Sixty, Scout Bobber, Scout, and the Scout Bobber Twenty? This would also be a good video to assemble for your viewers. I enjoy the way you review motorcycles and glad I came across your channel recently.
Thanks Stephen I'll look into that. 👍
Wow! This is impressive 👍
Thank you very much! 👍
5.9 here. So I’m a lucky future scout or chief bobbers rider :-)
You are very lucky. At 5'9 you're going to find most bikes fit you perfectly 👍
Springfield has much better suspension. I ended up with a Springfield Dark Horse. Much better for longer distances. I dont have the ape hangers on it, standard bars. Also have a Rebel 1100 DCT for city commuting.
If you were to choose one, which one is better? I know they're different bikes
What an amazing video! Great job!
Thank you!
Great video!!! Thank you
It annoys me that the power output isn't published. Probably because the chief puts out 80 bhp which is less than the scout. I am not saying a cruiser like the chief should have sportbike like power output but I do expect a bike costing approx £16k to have extra to use when necessary.
I agree they should publish horsepower figures regardless whether they're favourable or not. Nobody's expecting air cooled engines to produce more horsepower than liquid cooled engines, we get how it works.
Excellent analysis
Thank you!
Thanks mate.
Thanks Paul.
Back in the 90's I purchased a Suzuki Intruder 1400. What I found was a seat that was way too low. I had a custom upholstery shop add about two inches of seat foam to the seat. It made an uncomfortable bike into a bike I could ride all day. Sadly all these bike manufactures have fallen into the Harley "low rider" syndrome, thinking that low seat make for a cool bike....when in reality it makes for a poorly shaped rider ergonomic profile. Manufactures have to do better in terms of comfort, ride-ability, and functionality. Enough of these low seat heights.
I know you probably dont have an answer but i I'm trying to find my perfect indian. This video is good knowledge but i havw a weird body shape. I have a 29" end seam yet I'm 6'2" tall. That being said. I have an end seam closer to your 5'9" rider. Do you think the chief would be a better fit because all i would need to adjust is handlebars?
Very informative video, thank you! I’m almost 6ft, but with some riding boots I’d probably be closer to 6’1. I’m looking to get my first bike and I love the bobber style. I’m very interested in the scout bobber and would love to hear your recommendations for a first bike. I’ll most likely get a small cheap motorcycle to practice on but would quickly move on to something bigger and more powerful. Do you think the Scout bobber would be a good option for me or would you recommend I look at something else?
Thank you and you're welcome! The topic of beginner bike recommendations is a bit tricky as we all come to motorcycles with varying levels of past experience. If your new to riding motorcycles I wouldn't recommend you go straight onto a Scout Bobber. I would recommend you start with a bike you feel would be very easy to ride. I have seen first hand where someone has picked a bike that was too challenging to ride and they end up giving up riding motorcycles altogether. Depending on your budget, the Honda Rebel 500 would be a great place to start if you prefer cruisers. Find something easy to ride, get really comfortable with your riding skills, then upgrade to something like the Scout Bobber. Hope that helps!
@@BikesILike yes that was very helpful, thank you!
@@decidetol.i.v.e.9712 You're welcome! 👍
It’s so weird seeing an American bike with an updated modern engine on the lower end but the bigger bikes still use antiquated air cooled motors.
I hear what your saying but it works. Although the 116 is air/oil cooled, after riding both it loses nothing in appeal to the Scout's liquid cooled engine. Both engines impressed me immensely they just go about their business in different ways.
Great content 👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
very good review thanks, from Albany W.A.
Thanks Albany W.A! I've been there 😉👍
@@BikesILike That's awesome, let me know if you ever come again we have some nice hidden coffee shops just out of Albany. 🙂
@Howard Hakon Will do Howard! 👍
I love the scout, but at 6'5 it's like a toy under me.
I'm hoping that the new chief is bigger!
Hard to tell from photos, even with your excellent guides.
Have you seen my latest 6'4 rider videos on the Scout and new Chief range? You'll find them all in this playlist czcams.com/play/PLJgSla8UdWy0NdhgaMK7G5m7T0xvGgtjE.html
@@BikesILike must have missed that one, thank you and keep up the awesome work. I really do appreciate it!
Super informative! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! 👍
Thanks a lot for this video i'll save it for future, viewer from Moscow)
You're welcome David, thank you and hello Moscow! 👍
Could you please add a rider measuring 5'0" with a 25" inseam? Thanks!
I wish the Chief had at least a 5gal tank and was longer. Maybe say 95".
Bil and Ted ;)
Good explainations.
Damn what an awesome video, thanks!
You're welcome, thank you! 👍
Roll those apes back and the Springfield becomes far more comfortable
Honda Rebel 1100.
What’s the stock height of the chief bars
the base model 22 chief has mid controls, and the 111 engine, among a few other differences...just wondering how it would've fit in?
I might do a quick video on mid vs forward controls for the new Chief including the full height range of test dummies. 5'3, 5'6, 5'9, 6'1 and 6'4 👍
Great review
Thanks Rick! 👍
This is 100% inaccurate, each individual would have to try it themselves.I'm 5'7" I ride a Indian Roadmaster currently. I've ridden the Springfield a few times,as I know someone who owns one. I've ridden the entire lineup actually. In fact, they use the exact same chassis on all the big bikes as far as I've been told by their mechanics and reps, so there no real difference except styling and features, save for the new challenger. None of them are uncomfortable for me except the scout, while on the freeway I felt like I was sliding off backwards.
The standard Chief comes with mid controls. How does a 5’3” guy fit that?
I've covered the Chief Dark Horse which features mid controls and you can find that video along with all the other bikes listed right here... tinyurl.com/DO-I-FIT-Videos 👍
If you could do this with triumph range t120, bobber, Speedmaster even rocket that would be wicked 🤙
Ok, challenge accepted! I will do the comparison in an upcoming video 👍
@@BikesILike you've just earned yourself a new subscriber 💪👍
@@mickromer6199 Awesome! Thanks Mick!
I'm just sorry these bikes don't have the 6-axle imu platform…or they have ?
No can't find any mention of a 6 axis IMU 👍
I am 5’8” and was wondering if there would be much difference between the chief dark horse compared to the dark horse bobber.m considering the dark horse doesn’t have hangers like the dark horse bobber.
Apart from the handlebars, another key difference is mid vs forward controls. The Chief Dark Horse has mid controls and the Dark horse Bobber has forwards. I've covered ergonomics for both these bikes in my 'Do I Fit Series videos'... You can watch them here. Chief Dark Horse czcams.com/video/pZSi1mNbuHs/video.html and Chief Bobber Dark Horse czcams.com/video/khQeWN5olhY/video.html
@@BikesILike thank you, I’ll check it out :)
great info,
Thanks Hug 👍
I'm 6'7'' so I guess I'm just going to give up on finding a motorcycle that fits me :/
(I'd rather die before i get an ADV bike)
Lol. Keep an eye on my upcoming Do I Fit videos, I now include a 6'7" rider. I have seen a video by a 6'7" rider who was very happy and comfortable on his Kawasaki Z900 RS.
I’m coming from having a MT07. Do you think the new 2022 chief is too much power?
Not at all. The main difference you'll find is the amount of torque. The good thing about the MT-07 is it's torquey engine so the Chief will feel similar in the way it develops its power and accelerates, it'll just feel a lot stronger. The extra weight will be something you'll need to take some extra care with initially but you will get used to that. If you do buy one just take your time and ease into it. Start of in the lowest power modes and gradually step up through the modes as your confidence increases. 👍
@@BikesILike thanks a lot for your reply.. That helps
Scout Bobber 2021 is way better with the standard non floating seat. Sorry but it just is uncomfortable even if it looks cool and unique. Good move by Indian.
It's weird, I've heard other people say the complete opposite. I'm wondering if it's a personal body shape thing? Some might find the tractor seat more comfortable and some might find the standard seat more comfortable? Good news is both options will still be available.
@@BikesILike one of the easiest seats to switch out so no problem there
Will they like my soul
Quite possibly
I am a ex bike rider at 5:10
Scouts too small in my eyes
where is your quarter mille simulation did you understand what im write thats why you dont put it hear?;) .
With some manufacturers no longer quoting horsepower figures I'm finding it difficult to get hold of reliable horsepower figures now so I left it out for this video. I will bring it back. I'm sourcing actual 1/4 mile times and building a bit of a database of models, weights horsepower etc. I want to try and guesstimate as accurately as possible in future videos. 😉
@@BikesILike ok paall so think about what im write you eralier trust me better torq to weight ratio dont give you edge at couploe first metres ! its bullsh,t most likely bike with better power to weight ratio will ride away from stand still to finish line if not at couple first metres that be not due to worse torq to weight ratio but due to weight distribution and tire traction ! gretings .
Just to throw you something to think about. Bodies aren't proportional. Some tall people are all body. If you're gonna have height model, please add their leg inseam; for example, women generally have longer legs in relation to their torso than men do.
And just for shits and giggles, you can throw in some gender saddles. You can always tell a woman is riding a bike by the way their ass sits, because their hips are wider. Bikes are generally built for men, and I've noticed the banana seat to be remarkably standard across a wide selection of bikes; is this because guys find it the most comfortable, or simply because they plan to have a passenger? I don't know why anyone would have a passenger on a dirt bike though.
Agree, will include inseam lengths in future videos 👍
None of that 60's era crap, get a dual sport and join the future