When Catfishing Went Too Far: The Story of Renae Marsden | Australian Crime Stories | TCC

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  • @janicevictor7414
    @janicevictor7414 Před rokem +5325

    Their police department needs a tech guy. How embarassing that a 13 year old found a way to crack open the case?

    • @lisajones2412
      @lisajones2412 Před rokem +381

      and how come they couldnt find the deleted messages, isnt there always an IT trace of everything??

    • @littlepeky
      @littlepeky Před rokem +95

      😂😂😂😂😂 I thought the same

    • @user-gj1me4mf5c
      @user-gj1me4mf5c Před rokem +57

      PD's simply can't pay the $100 per person app fee. They can do this, but taxpayers can't afford this b.s.

    • @user-gj1me4mf5c
      @user-gj1me4mf5c Před rokem +12

      @Lisa Jones Depending on your carrier, it gets deleted pretty quickly.

    • @auzieblo
      @auzieblo Před rokem +73

      ​@@user-gj1me4mf5c I hope you're being sarcastic, right?

  • @kerrieleidig
    @kerrieleidig Před rokem +4599

    Wait. It's believed that she threw her own phone over before jumping, but purposely left behind her OLD phone, a valentine from "brayden" & a msg on her window dirt "I love you brayden" to make sure everyone knows she did this over heartbreak for "brayden"? NO ONE thinks Camila lured her there & pushed her over, then sent 3 messages from her phone & threw that over as well? Why would she have done her makeup if she was planning to jump?

    • @cuekinaja
      @cuekinaja Před rokem +825

      Wow... that's a plausible theory.

    • @OneBadAssMoMo
      @OneBadAssMoMo Před rokem +467

      This makes sense.

    • @catgiles3268
      @catgiles3268 Před rokem +501

      Good point. That, to me, makes more sense!

    • @meghanm5000
      @meghanm5000 Před rokem +349

      Very good point..I’m curious if they’ve thought about that. Cuz that definitely makes sense.

    • @CoachCreesh
      @CoachCreesh Před rokem +341

      Sadly, there has been cases where some people (mainly women) who commit sui$!de will get dressed and do their makeup before taking pills to od.

  • @suze6083
    @suze6083 Před 8 měsíci +777

    The saddest part about Renee’s passing is, that she was robbed of a possibly wonderful life with this sweet soul Angus.

    • @beverlydawson7746
      @beverlydawson7746 Před 5 měsíci +20

      I was thinking the same thing .

    • @thebetnk
      @thebetnk Před 5 měsíci +17

      Oh wow she ruined everything for her

    • @MrMagoo-rg8er
      @MrMagoo-rg8er Před 5 měsíci +14

      Why break up a wonderful relationship your in without any investigation or proof something wrong was being done? Makes no sense to me.

    • @blaken2651
      @blaken2651 Před 5 měsíci +20

      Well she killed herself over a dude she never met. Over an online boyfriend…. I don’t feel bad. Look what she did to her family. Selfish.

    • @MadaraUchiha-ly8wr
      @MadaraUchiha-ly8wr Před 5 měsíci +2

      That relationship was just crazy🤨

  • @vanessaglenn4073
    @vanessaglenn4073 Před 5 měsíci +533

    The fact Camilla was not charged of ANYTHING is absolutely despicable.

    • @funtyes1970
      @funtyes1970 Před 3 měsíci +4

      lol how going to charge someone if there no law has been broken. yes, I think should she pay for something, but you have to look at it if you were on a jury. it never be in the court cuz she didn't break the law

    • @majestictravler5717
      @majestictravler5717 Před 2 měsíci +16

      There’s Justice and there’s Justice. Had it been one of my kids God help her.

    • @kdee_serikali5975
      @kdee_serikali5975 Před 2 měsíci +13

      I think she probably pushed her

    • @kdee_serikali5975
      @kdee_serikali5975 Před 2 měsíci +6

      Camilla pushed her!

    • @Romanus-
      @Romanus- Před 2 měsíci +2

      Make vigilantism great again.

  • @roxiegs348
    @roxiegs348 Před rokem +4996

    If you can’t FaceTime someone or see them in person, that’s a HUGE red flag. Period.

    • @kaylajury5001
      @kaylajury5001 Před rokem +260

      Especially after your friend breaks up your perfect relationship and then sets you up with someone you've never met, never mind the fact that he's in prison. The whole story is fishy af and Camila is a psycho

    • @SM-ef5rl
      @SM-ef5rl Před rokem +34

      True

    • @TheBasedCanadian
      @TheBasedCanadian Před rokem +26

      100%

    • @rebeccabejenaru
      @rebeccabejenaru Před rokem +53

      That also goes for if you've seen them before, but then they ghost, or play Narcissist games. Been through both. Never been worth it....not even close.

    • @davidwright873
      @davidwright873 Před rokem +15

      The dad. Should a known better

  • @RedxRiot
    @RedxRiot Před rokem +2699

    This is why it’s so important to build up your child’s self esteem so they know they don’t deserve to be treated any kind of way by “friends”

    • @cristooreal7996
      @cristooreal7996 Před rokem +13

      I've never been thru domesticcience ,and i don't understand it,why they stay. I say they are weak

    • @LifeisaBeautifulting
      @LifeisaBeautifulting Před rokem +207

      @@cristooreal7996 Well you've never been through it, so it's probably not your place to give an opinion

    • @stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216
      @stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216 Před rokem +137

      @@cristooreal7996well there you go, you’ve never been through it. Let me help you with some insight. The part your missing is the abusers most powerful weapon. It’s called “cognitive dissonance” this is where there are two statements that are in direct contradiction with one another but both are equally true to the person experiencing them. A good example of this would be maybe the nurse that smokes. They know it’s bad for them, they plan to quit, but daily life and the stress of their high demand job, they think “it’s ok for a bit longer bc i need to get to XYZ point to quit”. Gaslighting is the other powerful tool they all use. It’s part of how they wear their victims down and skew reality. This is a slow process. If it was a fast process, anyone would see it plain as day and run. In the real world, it’s a slow, painful and methodical process.
      DV survivors are in fact some of the strongest people you will ever meet. We’ve stared hell in the face and those of us that are lucky, escape alive. We use our stories to help educate people like you and help other survivors escape. Real life DV isn’t like the movies. Our abusers are charming, most of the time they are very intelligent, they wear a facade and mask in every public encounter. The mask is who we fall in love with. By the time it’s clear there’s a problem, many of us are trapped. Bc what narcissists and abusers do is systematically tear you down and back you into a corner. They choose their victims bc their victims are genuinely everything the narcissist could never be. They are light, they are empathy, they are love that’s immeasurable. It starts small enough. Placing doubt that sounds like loving concern that touches your self esteem first, they are masters of triangulation. The reason so many get caught up is because these abusers have their entire lifetime of practicing these toxic manipulations and masks and the victims are engaging in what they believe to be the best or healthiest relationship they have ever had in the beginning. It’s part of that mask and carefully curated. Then they will start slowly taking over every aspect. Financial, social etc. this is called “goalpost shifting”. By the time we realize something is wrong, many of us are so scared, don’t have full access to our funds, or children that they threaten to weaponize.
      I would implore you to do some research on survivor accounts and how it actually happens rather than making statements from your very limited scope that add to the stigma and harm of actual abuse survivors trying to escape. You haven’t lived it. And I hope you get to continue your bubble where you haven’t experienced it. But just know, it can easily happen to you. You think it can’t and you’re untouchable? You might be at the most risk for it happening with that mindset. That’s how we miss the red flags. Stay safe and blessed and think twice before you put words I to the world on an experience you have never lived 🙏🏼❤️

    • @shiiaustria8521
      @shiiaustria8521 Před rokem +33

      @@stigmatizedk.jasuicidesurv9216 right on point. I experienced it and this is exactly what it is. That's why is so hard to let go. Add trauma bond also. People miss the good times and tend to ignore the bad times.

    • @oaktownstunna
      @oaktownstunna Před rokem +37

      It's called self-esteem for a reason and not us-esteem, you give them positive affirmation so they don't look for validation outside of themselves. Self-esteem comes from within not from without.

  • @jamals5985
    @jamals5985 Před 8 měsíci +338

    Deleted text messages can be easily recovered. What is the Australian police doing?!?!

    • @laurarebb6923
      @laurarebb6923 Před 5 měsíci +31

      Failing, obviously.

    • @bookofthewarsofthelord9273
      @bookofthewarsofthelord9273 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Not always. Several factors depend on that

    • @rz5062
      @rz5062 Před 5 měsíci

      @@bookofthewarsofthelord9273 Like what?

    • @anneofgreengables1619
      @anneofgreengables1619 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Exactly

    • @fly89
      @fly89 Před 4 měsíci +6

      her new phone was not found. it was probably lost in the sea. so they couldn’t recover it. Her old was in the car.

  • @AnnieAnnieBuckwheatCakes
    @AnnieAnnieBuckwheatCakes Před 5 měsíci +75

    This case is so sad. This is why we need very strong laws against stalking in all it's forms.

  • @jenniferlange5616
    @jenniferlange5616 Před rokem +2948

    It’s pretty brilliant how her dad analyzed the messages for patterns in communication.

    • @ellaella5537
      @ellaella5537 Před rokem +32

      It is

    • @normacook8325
      @normacook8325 Před rokem +240

      It's a shame the family had to do everything--searched and found her shoes, found the pattern in the texts, found the app to unlock her phone...😢 They should be commended on their perseverance!

    • @malaika4960
      @malaika4960 Před rokem +195

      And to the 13 year old who helped crack the code.

    • @yeseniapastor7165
      @yeseniapastor7165 Před rokem +43

      Yes he loved her and care not like the police

    • @clairecooper197
      @clairecooper197 Před rokem +70

      I’m absolutely gobsmacked that someone could be so wicked. I hope she is haunted by her actions for the rest of her life.
      What a despicable human.
      I can’t believe someone married that evil woman, how will their children feel when they learn the truth about their mother!
      RIP kind soul. Sending love to your friends and family. ❤❤ keep fighting for justice. xxxxx

  • @angelarose6602
    @angelarose6602 Před 11 měsíci +1064

    Camilla can't just walk away from this as a free woman. She has to be treated the same as a male stalker. This beautiful family deserve justice. Shame on the Australian justice system!

    • @tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916
      @tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 Před 10 měsíci +18

      ​@@NonWokeOr the same criminal penalties in any case.
      Female privilege is not only real, it can be easily proven by family court, divorce court, alimony, criminal penalties, etc. Basically anything men and women use together, women are at a significant and easily tracked advantage.

    • @livinfuller
      @livinfuller Před 10 měsíci

      Agree….I’m so confused why the police didn’t freeze her phone acct, or charge her with premeditated manslaughter. She literally planned everything out then mentally abused /controlled her to her death.

    • @WinterDanielle_xo
      @WinterDanielle_xo Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916😊

    • @c.a.greene8395
      @c.a.greene8395 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916sorry dude, there is no female privilege in family court issues - it's CHILD PRIVILEGE
      Men enter court complaining about the loss of ownership and their personal rights INSTEAD of speaking to the rights of the child to know it's father...
      Most men only want custody to control or harm the wife for leaving them...
      Judges give the main caregiver of the child custody...and do you know why? Besides being lazy parents 99% of men do not know their own children's birthdates, they do not know their children's full legal names, nor their ages, they don't know the doctors, or teachers names, allergies, medications, or the names of their teachers or friends...
      Dad's know very little about their own kids because dad's are lazy parents who only need to show up to get kudos, women on the other hand spend 24/7/365 days a year with their children...
      Men are selfish parents who always put their own needs before the children...
      Children raised by single fathers are raised by babysitters, or dad's latest squeeze, grandma or strangers...these fathers are so selfish they would deny their own children the love and care of a mother...

    • @c.a.greene8395
      @c.a.greene8395 Před 9 měsíci

      Why not? Guys have been using gay privileges over straights for ever...
      The first cat fisher killed the man with his car, he got free surgery, transitioned into a woman and then was given woman of the year award...
      A MAN named Chris Jenner...he was caught and feared being exposed, so he waited for the man to leave his house and ran him over with his car...he got a free pass...even won awards and over 1 million dollars for free surgeries...
      Sure sounds like gay privilege to me...

  • @HT-vm6zm
    @HT-vm6zm Před 7 měsíci +69

    I can't believe they gave her immunity without knowing everything first. I'm so sorry for your loss it's heart breaking

    • @funtyes1970
      @funtyes1970 Před 3 měsíci

      what would you like be done to her there no laws have been broken? you can't charge someone cuz you feel like they should be in prison?

  • @tamraanne4066
    @tamraanne4066 Před 5 měsíci +67

    After years and years of watching true crime, this one takes the cake! It is unfathomable that Camilla wasn’t charged. Very disturbing. Deleted messages can be obtained. This police department is just inept.

    • @mariaimperatricedamore1639
      @mariaimperatricedamore1639 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Who knows if something deeper has been going on. I mean, who's this Camilla woman, who're her family and their links .......... Powerful people? Just saying

    • @Vasilia4
      @Vasilia4 Před 4 měsíci

      How can she be charged if she didn't commit a crime? Not to mention, if Brady had been a real person the result would have been exactly the same

    • @concernedamerican8
      @concernedamerican8 Před 2 hodinami

      ​@@Vasilia4except you nor anyone else knows that because no one knows what Camila said to her before she died. Maybe Camila told her the truth that she was Brayden, and Renae just couldn't handle the betrayal and embarrassment. No one truly knows. I also think it's entirely possible Camila is the one that killed her and got away with it.

  • @piroko13
    @piroko13 Před rokem +2811

    The fact that this can’t be shown in Australia, where it should be viewed the most, is at least concerning and speaks volumes of their authorities

    • @agirlnamedtomm940
      @agirlnamedtomm940 Před rokem +78

      Why can't it be shown there

    • @piroko13
      @piroko13 Před rokem +143

      @@agirlnamedtomm940 CZcams’s local policies in Australia and New Zealand. If you go to this channel’s community tab, their second newest post (about this video) says they’re sorry to the people living there because it can’t be shown there

    • @GeeCoach35
      @GeeCoach35 Před rokem +199

      She chose a bad boy that she never met over a real guy who was treating her good.

    • @Christa.Francis
      @Christa.Francis Před rokem +101

      ​@@piroko13 OH MY GOSH !! That's absolutely insane that this cannot be shown there !! WOW ! I honestly can't wrap my mind around that ,, I don't understand why .. it makes this story even more sad 😟

    • @jcolledge88
      @jcolledge88 Před rokem +130

      Im in Canada all it shows is sensitive content and to click if i want to continue then it works

  • @bobbyboywonder12
    @bobbyboywonder12 Před 11 měsíci +970

    Ive watched a lot of true crime and 48 hours. This one for me goes to the next level of psychopathic behavior. To betray somebody for so long in such an intimate way is hard to understand.

    • @davisholman8149
      @davisholman8149 Před 11 měsíci

      Ikr?? That girl was evil beyond words - then rakes her over the coals when she is already dead. SHAMEFUL B___CH!😡

    • @IAdler-nk6qe
      @IAdler-nk6qe Před 10 měsíci +39

      Envy on steroids...

    • @VICTORIA-rf8pd
      @VICTORIA-rf8pd Před 10 měsíci +41

      You can see clearly the victim was much prettier than the attacker.
      When you have a deceptive criminal mind jealousy is seeing.
      Blessings to victim and family of victim!

    • @INDREAMSBEGINSRESPONSIBILITIES
      @INDREAMSBEGINSRESPONSIBILITIES Před 10 měsíci +3

      Livegore is better. No lying narration just raw footage. This is feeble

    • @mol588
      @mol588 Před 10 měsíci +32

      ​@@VICTORIA-rf8pd
      Oh yes, she was obsessively, bitterly jealous of the much prettier, more attractive beautiful soul that Renaé was .. so she set out to torment and literally hounded the girl to death .
      Seems Camilla was infatuated with Renaé and expressed "love" by pretending to be male .
      Let's hope someone is keeping a close eye on it, and her children, maybe the mother-in-law or her own Mum, who know how dangerous she can be, after watching this video ..
      ❤🕊Renae🕊❤

  • @Usnveteranstacker
    @Usnveteranstacker Před 4 měsíci +27

    She didn’t jump… she was pushed

  • @rovalq1
    @rovalq1 Před 8 měsíci +177

    Imagine ending your life for someone you have never been with in your life, not a call, just texting! It makes me wonder about her sense of self-worth, self- esteem....and this relationship with her family. So weird!

    • @birinaL
      @birinaL Před 7 měsíci +10

      True

    • @edwardr9130
      @edwardr9130 Před 7 měsíci +21

      All for a felon lol, why she couldnt choose some regular guy, oh yeah hes too boring lol

    • @trwesq1
      @trwesq1 Před 5 měsíci +4

      ​@@edwardr9130right. I just don't get it.

    • @titonik9290
      @titonik9290 Před 5 měsíci +18

      Yeah, makes zero sense. She spent 1.5 years texting someone she's never heard, let alone seen.

    • @bookofthewarsofthelord9273
      @bookofthewarsofthelord9273 Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@@titonik9290her mom said it "we are accepting". Dont judge on display.

  • @juliestrickland7754
    @juliestrickland7754 Před rokem +1432

    Angus looks so happy when he talks about her! He just glows! This thing is SO messed up. I hope Camila gets hers, soon. She's pure evil.

    • @Leosmommy19
      @Leosmommy19 Před rokem +96

      He was still holding out hope, he talks like he's still in love with her, so sad. That was wifey right there😢

    • @juliestrickland7754
      @juliestrickland7754 Před rokem +19

      @@Leosmommy19 Ikr?😢😢

    • @primesspct2
      @primesspct2 Před rokem +62

      You know shes just controlling her new husband, and anyone else she can. She is a manipulator, and craves any attention and control she can get, she loves the power over others.

    • @ingridakerblom7577
      @ingridakerblom7577 Před rokem +47

      I feel so sorry for him, for them both & what could have been..
      He will forever be affected by this. And for what... This sick womans greed

    • @ingridakerblom7577
      @ingridakerblom7577 Před rokem +27

      ​@@primesspct2 i bet she will never ever stop..

  • @boutaina18
    @boutaina18 Před 10 měsíci +1494

    The fact that anyone would marry Camilla and have children with her after all of this is bizarre to me. Not only does the family need to get justice but I’m concerned for the children she’s raising

    • @cathyhunter1263
      @cathyhunter1263 Před 9 měsíci +62

      She's crazy

    • @MishaMishaSoprano
      @MishaMishaSoprano Před 9 měsíci +1

      She will destroy their lives, one way or another. Narcissists abuse everyone in their path. Every human is just another appliance to be used. HG Tudor is a great source of education on this. Wouldn't be surprised to find that she used pregnancies to ensnare her victim.
      I personally know one who used 8 children to ensnare her victims.

    • @OntarioBearHunter
      @OntarioBearHunter Před 9 měsíci +32

      Karla Homolka has kids and volunteered at her kids school when they were young

    • @thunder05kokey13
      @thunder05kokey13 Před 9 měsíci +61

      She is evil

    • @Tropicanax7x
      @Tropicanax7x Před 9 měsíci +32

      Like the Casey Anthony case.
      I think it takes someone who has an open heart to everyone, obviously, to be open to hearing their side of the story, and I'm sure Camilla had painted a prettier picture for him.

  • @jjmack6563
    @jjmack6563 Před 7 měsíci +46

    You cannot have a relationship or love someone you have never met. Why did her parents not question this? Social media and the Internet has a lot to answer for. Without that none of these things would happen.

    • @mariaimperatricedamore1639
      @mariaimperatricedamore1639 Před 4 měsíci +2

      It always happened, albeit in different ways

    • @bcnotpc659
      @bcnotpc659 Před 4 měsíci +2

      these parents are terrible

    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 Před 4 dny +2

      I hate social media too, however writing letters to prisoners is not a new thing.

  • @joshalynnsegura8876
    @joshalynnsegura8876 Před 2 měsíci +20

    To The Marsden Family:
    In the chance that you may see and read the comments pertaining to this video, your daughter and/or sister, I want to say a few things to you.
    First and most importantly, I am so deeply sorry for your loss and I would like to send my condolences. Watching this video and hearing the heinousness of the actions/ manipulation that this evil woman has done angers my soul deeply!! 😔😢
    Next I would like to say that I will be praying for y'all! May the Holy Spirit fill each of your hearts with comfort, grace, mercy, and strength! 🙏

  • @BlazingPhoenix05
    @BlazingPhoenix05 Před 11 měsíci +111

    The way her first bf lit up and the way his voice seemed to dance when he remembered the first day he met her. 😢

    • @Anaana-jl5kg
      @Anaana-jl5kg Před 4 měsíci +5

      Crazy.. That girl wasn’t stronger mentally and was manipulated.

    • @chrischrishiott8843
      @chrischrishiott8843 Před měsícem +1

      I know they looked like a good couple together and Camilla couldn't stand it

  • @mippa5830
    @mippa5830 Před rokem +190

    How can Australia NOT access text messages that have been deleted? Nothing is ever deleted! The tech work on this was infuriating all the way around.

    • @larajones175
      @larajones175 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Facts. Only in Australia can you can actually coherence someone to commit Suicide And not be victimized or charged for the merciless cause of the Death of the person you literally Murdered. Outrageous.

    • @minivan903
      @minivan903 Před 11 měsíci +1

      And why not use two separate phones? If she only used one then the messages would have shown to have come from the same phone number. Camilla's phone number. Plus if she had used two then she could have overlapped the the messages from her and Brayden. Heck, not overlapping them is how the idea of Renae being catfished first got started.

    • @Cats_crystals_and_ghosts
      @Cats_crystals_and_ghosts Před 11 měsíci +4

      Australia needs more technology and new laws immediately. This is so outrageous.

    • @fearwater5
      @fearwater5 Před 11 měsíci +3

      I was wondering about that. I didn't think they were that backwards.

    • @hollycolotta9859
      @hollycolotta9859 Před 11 měsíci +5

      That was the saddest story. I've never heard anything like this before. You need signatures or help to get this law I'm in

  • @perockus2965
    @perockus2965 Před 5 měsíci +11

    As a father of 2 young women, this story both broke my heart and infuriated me. And seeing how heart broken her baby brother is made it hurt even more. Excellent journalism.

  • @maggyhamada2560
    @maggyhamada2560 Před 4 měsíci +28

    She sends 3 final messages to her mom, Camilla and Brayden before jumping to say she loves them and is sorry.
    What doesn't make sense to me is that she had already ended her relationship with Camilla and despised her for her abuse. Why would she message her and tell her she loves her?
    I have a weird feeling it was Camilla sending all those messages.

  • @lindat1491
    @lindat1491 Před rokem +826

    This is by far the most disturbing thing I've ever seen... And I binge watch crime stories. This is so horrific. I am truly shook.

    • @michaelangst6078
      @michaelangst6078 Před rokem

      Really? The woman had to have some sort of mental illness to kill herself over some guy in jail she has never met or spoke to..

    • @Ashrock689
      @Ashrock689 Před rokem +10

      Me too.....

    • @curtisk2286
      @curtisk2286 Před rokem +14

      Quite the promo.
      I'll continue 😮

    • @ivafrosh7675
      @ivafrosh7675 Před rokem +12

      Oh, same here. I feel horrible for the parents.

    • @sashfao3209
      @sashfao3209 Před rokem +4

      Exactly 😳

  • @gj5990
    @gj5990 Před rokem +986

    I have a hard time believing Camilla didn’t directly kill Renae. Renae found out the truth and Camilla made it look like Renae was suicidal.

    • @NN-re7cy
      @NN-re7cy Před 11 měsíci +88

      That is exactly what happened.

    • @Sharmichelle3
      @Sharmichelle3 Před 11 měsíci +137

      I was just thinking this right here. I think Camilla killed Renae. When the host stated that Renae may have thrown her phone before she jumped, I thought to myself - no she was killed and Camilla got rid of Renae's phone. Camilla may think she got away with everything, but karma comes out of nowhere when you least expect it.

    • @volume2517
      @volume2517 Před 11 měsíci

      She did. Camilla killed Renae.

    • @taihinatamar2736
      @taihinatamar2736 Před 11 měsíci +23

      That's a really good thought!

    • @kadygirlforever
      @kadygirlforever Před 11 měsíci +127

      Yes. Who redoes their makeup and fixes their hair with the intention of jumping off a cliff?

  • @joanne_swck
    @joanne_swck Před 7 měsíci +35

    I feel terribly sorry for Renae and her family 🕊 Renae seems like she was sunshine in human form. That wasn't a suicide, Camila murdered her out of jealousy. The fact that Camila is married with kids, living as if nothing happened... That's the life Renae would've deserved. When her brother started crying I lost it... 😢 The laws are ridiculous, Camila deserves jail. I can't imagine the pain her family, friends and her long term boyfriend are going through. I wish them all the best and I hope they know that Renae and what happened to her will never be forgotten. 🤍🕊
    And for the people blaming Renae herself: Camila manipulated and threatened her over years. Do y'all know what that does to a person? Renae wanted to be loved, that's all. She would've never killed herself if it wasn't for Camilla. RIP beautiful soul. ⭐

  • @Acastaigne
    @Acastaigne Před 7 měsíci +25

    I want to send my sincere condolences to the Marsden family who seem like very nice, down-to-earth and pure people. They didn't deserve what this monster did to their daughter, and this case has touched me so much that it brought me to tears. I'm going to mention Renae to everyone so that my family and friends remember her name and become aware of the evil, shady world of catfishing.

  • @nunyabidnazz2311
    @nunyabidnazz2311 Před 8 měsíci +356

    So she threw her phone, then jumped? Gimme a break man. Sounds to me like Camilla set it all up. I don’t for a second believe that Renae jumped. Camilla made sure the phone would never be found, and probably murdered Renae. I cannot believe how quick the Police are to dismiss all of this. What a fkn disgrace!! My heart goes out to this family. Oh the grief and pain they live with, day in and day out. I’m so sorry!

    • @Kat.Evangeline
      @Kat.Evangeline Před 6 měsíci +18

      Lazy cops 😮

    • @williamblackfyre4866
      @williamblackfyre4866 Před 5 měsíci +17

      My red flag went off when the narrator said "best friend of 5 years".
      It's a weird sentence. Most people's best friends are who they knew from childhood. I'm only a few minutes in but it sounds like Camille is Brayden.

    • @nunyabidnazz2311
      @nunyabidnazz2311 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@williamblackfyre4866 You nailed it!! That’s why we must always trust our guts/radar! Yours is on point!

    • @babyturkey8342
      @babyturkey8342 Před 4 měsíci +9

      ​@williamblackfyre4866 me and my best friend now of 10 years met at age 25...we didn't know one another as children....that's a weird thing to say

    • @elsavaldovinos4073
      @elsavaldovinos4073 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Did they even try looking into her best friend or look somewhere for more evidence where the phone is or if a body ever washed up this is all wrong 😢

  • @hannahbanana2224
    @hannahbanana2224 Před 8 měsíci +233

    Watching this has me stunned. I once had an obsessive friend swoop into my life, love bomb me, and try to break up the best relationship of my life. Thankfully I listened to my husband and got rid of her. It chills me looking back at her calculated behaviour.
    So sad for Renae,and her family, for what that evil girl did.

    • @jennifer14256
      @jennifer14256 Před 4 měsíci +16

      And imagine if that person had known you well since childhood. So much information to use in their manipulating. Ugh

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Wish my ex had been like you. But sadly she was easily swayed. She made a "friend" online and not long after our marriage ended.

    • @y.peffle2802
      @y.peffle2802 Před měsícem +2

      classic narcissistic behavior

  • @ashleyquam
    @ashleyquam Před 2 měsíci +9

    You won’t convince me that Camilla didn’t do this. She was in love with Renee and couldn’t be with her so she lured her to the cliff and pushed her

  • @daniellefarrow7956
    @daniellefarrow7956 Před 6 měsíci +58

    Seeing Renae’s brother fight to hold back his tears broke my entire heart. This poor sweet loving family did not deserve this horrific torment. Camilla doesn’t deserve the life she currently has after everything she did to Ranae and her family. It’s disgusting!

  • @theserialbunny424
    @theserialbunny424 Před rokem +1728

    This is not a suicide. This is murder in plain sight

    • @trose3070
      @trose3070 Před 11 měsíci +2

      M

    • @maryalonso1991
      @maryalonso1991 Před 11 měsíci +45

      Camilla pushed her to the water !!!

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 Před 11 měsíci +34

      The easiest way to defeat your enemy is to have your enemy destroy itself from within.

    • @zoni36
      @zoni36 Před 10 měsíci

      Anyone else want to know exactly where Camilla was that night?
      Even if they don’t hv access to the texts, they have access to the towers where Camilla’s phone pinged from.
      They found shoes but no other evidence? My conspiracy theory is that Camilla met Renee at the Gap, drove her somewhere else, killed her , then went back to the Gap throwing the phone in the ocean and leaving the shoes on the beach .
      I think they will find Renee’s remains somewhere far away from the Gap.

    • @morganrose6974
      @morganrose6974 Před 10 měsíci +32

      She killed her, period! That girl was over there and killed her and left her phone at home and took her to the bridge or the side of the road and dumped her

  • @cuekinaja
    @cuekinaja Před rokem +432

    The police there were so lazy, they wouldn't even try to retrieve the messages from the phone, and the bereaved family had to ask a 13-year-old boy to do that for them. The police didn't investigate the possibility of Camila luring Renae to the cliff, murdering Renae, and making it look like a suicide.

    • @cuekinaja
      @cuekinaja Před rokem +64

      Camila tried to kill Renae before. Just like a comment below said: what if Renae didn't commit suicide? After Camila pushed Renae over the cliff, Camila deleted all the messages on Renae's phone that showed how Camila lured Renae to come to the cliff (Renae did her hair and makeup, so maybe to see "Braydon"?), Camila sent the suicide texts with Renae's phone, and put all the fake "evidence" that Renae took her own life over "Braydon" (with the dying message on the car's window, old Valentine's card). Camila might have gotten away with murder.

    • @OneBadAssMoMo
      @OneBadAssMoMo Před rokem +19

      This makes so much sense to me.

    • @wiztribe
      @wiztribe Před rokem +12

      There’s No Brayden, There’s a Camila! It is/was her ALL along!!!!

    • @rubygirl214
      @rubygirl214 Před rokem +8

      @@wiztribe I think what she’s saying is that maybe Camilla sent Renae a message as “Braydon” saying he was going to meet her to lure her to the cliff to push her off

    • @cassidydunn3218
      @cassidydunn3218 Před rokem +1

      Unbelievable...😢

  • @redfo3009
    @redfo3009 Před 5 měsíci +13

    Never underestimate the vile manipulative depths of a girlfriend to another girlfriend. I wish I had an entirely different set of girlfriends growing up as they crushed all my dreams and destroyed the little self esteem I had. It takes decades to fix.

  • @litac5433
    @litac5433 Před 5 měsíci +30

    This is sad. This is a prime example of parents wanting to be their daughter's friend and not wanting her to be upset with them, instead of stepping in after (s) he initially disrespected the mom. My mom was very intuitive and thankfully spoke up when she had a "weird feeling " about someone. Also, who would condone their daughter dating someone in prison? So unfortunate this happened 😞. Rest in peace Renee 🙏 ❤.

    • @NunyaBizness2.0
      @NunyaBizness2.0 Před 3 měsíci +2

      I absolutely agree!
      When her daughter needed guidance and support she wasn’t there to give it for fear of upsetting her.
      I have no issue with telling my kids the hard truths of life and I won’t co-sign any BS. That’s why we are so close and they come to me for everything.
      They know I always have their best interest at heart

    • @Theduffer25
      @Theduffer25 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Give them a break for god sake. This was carried out very seekly by a childhood 'friend'. Taking to much control of a child's life can also have damaging longterm effects.

    • @ManjariIR
      @ManjariIR Před měsícem +2

      Daughter dating a criminal in jail , person she never met. So many red flags and the parents are supportive to this craziness? Can’t believe this madness. She looked like a sweet angel who needed serious help.

  • @S_8-
    @S_8- Před rokem +248

    How such a young sociopath narcissist can destroys someone's life without being held accounatble for her actions is outrageous

    • @JennMartinello
      @JennMartinello Před rokem +5

      The true name for what you said she is... Is... A Narcopath

    • @S_8-
      @S_8- Před rokem +1

      @@JennMartinello Good to know , thanks :-)

    • @carolineclark4078
      @carolineclark4078 Před 11 měsíci +3

      That’s Australia for you

    • @greenjupiter
      @greenjupiter Před 11 měsíci +6

      She looks 47

    • @JohnWayne-86ed
      @JohnWayne-86ed Před 10 měsíci

      @@JennMartinello Just making up labels now?... "Narcopath"😂... sure, why not lol.
      I married a diagnosed narcissist... these people are poison to everyone including themselves.

  • @aleciamv4489
    @aleciamv4489 Před 11 měsíci +597

    I have a hard time believing that she took her own life. I immediately felt in my gut that Camilla had something physically to do with her ‘jumping’. When a woman has a broken heart, the first thing they do is go to their best friend. How do they not know that Camilla and her met at that spot or something? This is infuriating!

    • @chevitapene
      @chevitapene Před 10 měsíci +1

      Now that makes more sense and could possibly be so. That's what I was thinking as well...how do they know she jumped! Camilia seems very unhinged and honestly I'm not sure why their friendship lasted so long. This story is very bizarre.

    • @MarshasJourney
      @MarshasJourney Před 9 měsíci +46

      Exactly what I thought. Why wouldn’t the text alarm her?

    • @mandybell7884
      @mandybell7884 Před 9 měsíci +21

      I Agree !

    • @priscillaghostcruze7541
      @priscillaghostcruze7541 Před 8 měsíci +16

      This though I thought too.

    • @EricaCornelius
      @EricaCornelius Před 8 měsíci +42

      We would all go to our best friend….. I think like others as well, she maybe didn’t commit suicide. This needs further investigation… I hope they reopen this case.

  • @donnamariegrant2068
    @donnamariegrant2068 Před 8 měsíci +11

    So many red flagsssss
    Your friend ruins your good relationship.
    Then goes onto set you up with a man in prison for manslaughter. That's no friend.
    Why did she even continue being friends with her?
    Sooooo many questions 😑

  • @chantalsscaleisafibber
    @chantalsscaleisafibber Před 8 měsíci +11

    To catfish someone you don't personally know is evil and horrible but to do it to someone you physically know and not only know but are best friends with is just pure evil.There are no words for the sheer nastiness of any person who would even think about doing it let alone actually doing it.Just evil.

  • @ferraroannie4058
    @ferraroannie4058 Před rokem +233

    It's obvious that the evil Camila was jealous of Renae's looks, personality and relationship with Angus. What a diabolical crime.

    • @august1095
      @august1095 Před rokem +28

      and was obsessed with her

    • @pennyrapp7372
      @pennyrapp7372 Před rokem

      I think Camila loved Renae but Renae wasn’t going to love her that way. What a coward and a monster ❤. Hope she stays away from humans she needs to be in a mental facility.

    • @divinesunshine1881
      @divinesunshine1881 Před rokem +5

      120%

    • @kikoarmani
      @kikoarmani Před rokem

      Shes evil and demonic

    • @FaizaFarah-pj4dz
      @FaizaFarah-pj4dz Před 8 dny

      Yes, so sad

  • @kellilong8075
    @kellilong8075 Před rokem +437

    Couple of thoughts:
    1) This was NOT an ordinary friendship. There was a very deep emotional, abusive connection between these two women. Most friendships develop and dissolve fairly naturally without an overt effort to "break up" and as many women know, most of the time when a friendship inevitably ends, there is RARELY any closure or official acknowledgement of it ending. The fact that she felt that she needed to wait until C was out of the country to break it off speaks volumes about the nature of their relationship. It was an abusive situation, NOT a friendship.
    2) I think it's highly possible she actually did find out that C was the "boyfriend" and whatever emotions and feelings she was experiencing (anger, disgust, fear, shame, sadness, etc) were the final catalyst that resulted in her taking her life.
    3) As someone else mentioned, C murdered her and made it appear that it was a suicide. Judging by the effort she put into this elaborate scheme, it is definitely a viable possibility that she murdered this girl.
    It is so incredibly sad.

    • @laudetango7052
      @laudetango7052 Před rokem +42

      Fully agree with point number 2. That was my main thought watching this whole thing. Earlier in the video it even said Rene told her mom she realized what Brayden was all about. 4:05. I think it’s highly probable the lost 91 messages would reveal that Camila had told Rene and that that’s what pushed her over the edge. Rene probably felt it was her only way out from Camila, and just the weight of Camila’s abuse and manipulation.

    • @redpillyoass5894
      @redpillyoass5894 Před rokem +26

      Agree with everything you said 100%. Like why would Renee just leave her shoes behind? And I’m sure Camilla tossed the phone in the water. But the police should easily be able to retrieve all deleted messages and all messages on the missing phone.

    • @Natalia-hf3et
      @Natalia-hf3et Před rokem +1

      Agree

    • @heathernks8
      @heathernks8 Před rokem

      ​@@redpillyoass5894
      There are so many "experts" on here. This was 2013. If the average Joe who becomes a Congressman can't differentiate between wifi and an app during fb & tiktok hearings, why is everyone shocked that the average Joe policeman couldn't recover deleted texts in 2013? OF COURSE it took a 13-yr-old Zoomer to figure it out.

    • @heathernks8
      @heathernks8 Před rokem +10

      I've been friends with a woman I met when I was 12 & I'm 50 now, so I disagree that friendships "inevitably" end. Maybe in the age of social media, but we don't all behave like this. I DO agree that the "official" ending of a friendship is unusual for a woman.. It struck me as so unusual that I almost believed Camila's version of events-until that "Sleep with C/NO." text exchange. I hadn't considered the idea that Camila killed her, but that explains why she looked so evil to me!

  • @abosworth
    @abosworth Před 7 měsíci +37

    I had heard of this story but this was a really good deep dive into the case. Very well done. Camilla is evil. I feel so bad for this family.

  • @kharv4480
    @kharv4480 Před 5 měsíci +8

    My heart absolutely breaks for these parents. How incredible to see a marriage persevere through something so inconceivably traumatic.

  • @TheGoogilly
    @TheGoogilly Před rokem +152

    She killed Renae as sure as if she pushed her off the cliff. She's a rabid wolf; utterly devoid of a soul.

  • @chrissyknowsitall5170
    @chrissyknowsitall5170 Před rokem +730

    This case is so heartbreaking. What this monster did to this girl was so sick!! She is really a monster. I feel so horrible for the parents.

    • @princesssolace4337
      @princesssolace4337 Před rokem +1

      Agreed ... her name even eerie sounding like Camila Syaitan. What a sick fcuk culture in 'cat fishing'🤬

    • @maggieferris8155
      @maggieferris8155 Před rokem +23

      I feel sorry for her kids... I feel sorry for her husband there names are always going to be tarnished ... he should leave and take the kids with him get rid of that monster her name should be plastered around this should be shared to her Facebook sent to the kids school and also the husbands work albeit I'm making innocent victims suffer but then she's be suffering more

    • @amc5936
      @amc5936 Před rokem +19

      @@maggieferris8155 i was hopping karma would kick in and she would be misserable. instead she lives on and gets to do all that renee wanted to do.

    • @peppiholliday4525
      @peppiholliday4525 Před rokem

      She needs to be charged for what she did and go to court and from there she needs to be incarcerated in a mental institution for the rest of her life. I don't understand how the laws that be could not find something to charge her with it's just incredibly amazing that she can get by with this but yet Renee is dead. I feel such sorrow and anguish for her parents and her extended family and friends and Renee should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

    • @sueannarca9102
      @sueannarca9102 Před rokem +17

      @@amc5936 absolutely devastating, but we don’t leave this world without paying for our sins. I’m sure of that, sooner or later that monster will get her turn.

  • @theresahouseman4246
    @theresahouseman4246 Před měsícem +4

    The strength of the Marsdens is extraordinary and beautiful..

  • @alisonruelas-scottborgh1832

    Shame on the judge and authorities who so-called handled this case. You have failed this family 💔

    • @ronniemead805
      @ronniemead805 Před rokem +26

      Big time; they totally ignored the fact that camila may have killed renae and sent all those text messages using renaes phone and then threw the phone in the lake where it could never be found. This woman is evil and should have been punished.

    • @leighamoro
      @leighamoro Před rokem +8

      Why couldn’t she block her tho and she didn’t have to kill herself over it

    • @queenofhearts6127
      @queenofhearts6127 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@ronniemead805 I agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if she did indeed push Renae off that cliff or killed her somewhere else and placed her shoes at the cliff top.

    • @barikiwa22
      @barikiwa22 Před 10 měsíci +5

      Karma never sleeps they will suffer

    • @barikiwa22
      @barikiwa22 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@Arkengelso now we protect the criminals under the guise of illness, ridiculous

  • @toddadams8420
    @toddadams8420 Před rokem +191

    why would a girl consider a relationship with a guy who is in jail for manslaughter?

    • @cjk8249
      @cjk8249 Před rokem

      Because she was mentally ill and eventually committed suicide. Ultimately I see that oh so outraged mother as probably the most guilty of all the cast besides that nutcase who killed herself.

    • @clareshaughnessy2745
      @clareshaughnessy2745 Před rokem +65

      And WHY would her parents be ok with it??

    • @mwinchester66
      @mwinchester66 Před rokem +43

      And what parents would ALLOW IT. Everybody lacked common sense in that family, and the foreign predator took advantage of that.

    • @stevo5000
      @stevo5000 Před rokem +1

      agreed

    • @Fruity_Looopy
      @Fruity_Looopy Před rokem +40

      Why would you consider suicide over someone you haven’t even FACETIMED OR MET. Girl what??????!

  • @thecognitivedissonant5206
    @thecognitivedissonant5206 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Why are we believing that it was suicide when her stalker friend could have killed her if they met to talk about the "Brayden" break up and Renae rejected her for good. Her behavior did not point to suicide at all

  • @flossin5025
    @flossin5025 Před 4 měsíci +7

    She didnt commit suicide, she was murdered.

    • @EvoS76
      @EvoS76 Před měsícem

      Parents who want to be their kids friend before being a parent have a large part in this. You may feel like she was murdered but if her parents had prepared her for life she wouldn’t have Even been friends with this chick.

  • @Leosmommy19
    @Leosmommy19 Před rokem +421

    Those parents are SOO strong. They've never recovered their daughter's body. The one shot they had to open an investigation was Camila's phone and that fell through. And the fact that they never saw any justice and still run into that POS in supermarkets! Omg the fact that they are still standing, God bless them. R.I.P Renae.

    • @miligutierrez9973
      @miligutierrez9973 Před rokem

      Karma will get her
      Plus she is ugly and unhappy

    • @Twisted.Ginger
      @Twisted.Ginger Před rokem +15

      Agreed! As a mother I'd be a basket case probably, and I'm usually the strong one in situations!

    • @adrianaevseev7655
      @adrianaevseev7655 Před rokem +15

      Rip 🙏💐🌹May God bless this family

    • @jacobpotter2237
      @jacobpotter2237 Před rokem +5

      If they were so strong they would have never let their daughter date a guy in prison or would have seen the 100 red flags and intervened.

    • @joshgarbemusic
      @joshgarbemusic Před rokem +4

      ​@@jacobpotter2237 I agree. I think they're terrible parents. She says 'Brayden' sent a nasty text to her and she let it go. There can be no place for accepting that level of disrespect towards parents. She should have told Renea that she is forbidden to continue with him if she wants to have a relationship with her mother - her 'best friend.' It is a parents job to discipline and teach their children, not allow them to bring ruin onto themselves.

  • @floursandroses
    @floursandroses Před rokem +314

    That girl Camilla most definitely had more to do with Renee's death than just catfishing. I believe she very well could have pushed that girl over that cliff after Renee found out the truth. The entire "I love Brayden" written on her windows on her car could have been written by Camilla. I cannot believe that the Australian police won't prosecute her or show the Australian public this video.

    • @catbishop27
      @catbishop27 Před 11 měsíci +27

      I think it's because they don't want to have any accountability to their OWN failures. Infuriating 🤬

    • @brroookkeee
      @brroookkeee Před 10 měsíci +22

      Very possible and they can’t even retrieve the messages before the “suicide”

    • @sutty85
      @sutty85 Před 10 měsíci +6

      The way someone falls tells you how someone died.

    • @luzsanabria2053
      @luzsanabria2053 Před 10 měsíci +7

      Cruel 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 Camilla

    • @arleneportsmouth1263
      @arleneportsmouth1263 Před 9 měsíci +17

      The other thing is that the Inn was written backwards and that's exactly how Camila writes her ends because she is dyslexic. Absolutely no doubt that Camilla sent those final farewell messages to her mom after she murdered her daughter. Their justice department is lacking in so many areas. First thing the police do is subpoena phone records after a suspicious unwitnessed death. Just shortly before this incident she told Camilla she didn't want to have anything more to do with her. The last thing Camila wanted is to be cut out of the position of Master puppeteer. If someone tells you that you're no longer in charge of pulling the strings then you will lose control of that situation and this psychotic criminal was obsessed with control.

  • @KingFury6293
    @KingFury6293 Před 7 dny +3

    It’s confusing how someone can fall that deeply for someone else just through texting them and never even seeing them. But RIP.

    • @Anonymous38572
      @Anonymous38572 Před 6 dny

      Especially someone who’s supposedly in prison. Why even start talking to them?

  • @pebbles4715
    @pebbles4715 Před 7 měsíci +17

    Words fail me. This is so heartbreaking yet bazaar! The law 100% needs changing. I can only imagine how devastated Renae’s parents must feel. And don’t think I could be so dignified if this was one of my children. Absolutely horrendous case.

  • @solasolar1
    @solasolar1 Před rokem +435

    Did they ever look into this as murder? Was she pushed instead of jumped? It all seems so staged to me. The text messages, the writing on the car window, the fact that her phone was also tossed. She might have literally gotten away with murder by making it only look like suicide.

    • @nautione9650
      @nautione9650 Před rokem +61

      Wow, that would actually make more sense! 😮

    • @hattiesallie2622
      @hattiesallie2622 Před rokem +71

      Yes! Omg the writing on the window was so weird!!!!

    • @tantkaos
      @tantkaos Před rokem +47

      yea i dont believe she jumped because this guy she never met wants to end things, would guess camilla did it, pushed her :( so sad and crazy.

    • @Tryme-kya
      @Tryme-kya Před rokem +75

      I do believe Camilla sent that text to the mother to set the stage and then committed the murder..probably luring her there as the friend trying to comfort her after a bad breakup. I strongly feel it was murder.

    • @zahrahassam4495
      @zahrahassam4495 Před rokem +23

      I never thought of that. Wow. Seems like this did happen 😢

  • @heezypeasy8611
    @heezypeasy8611 Před rokem +852

    This is so incredibly sad. That girl is a psychopath and should be in prison for life. My heart breaks for Renae and her loved ones.

    • @mwpierre
      @mwpierre Před rokem +26

      She is a psychopath. A lot of women are, but the law only punishes physical, violent crimes. The emotional abuse, which women commit usually goes unpunished.

    • @scarletblaine6166
      @scarletblaine6166 Před rokem

      ​@@mwpierre "a lot" of women are psychopaths? 🤦‍♀️🙄 Do you have a source for that? A percentage? Literally any data whatsoever?

    • @kristinsisson6209
      @kristinsisson6209 Před rokem +11

      Most fitting and best comment I've read and I'm reading lots of them with something like this. It's murder

    • @heezypeasy8611
      @heezypeasy8611 Před rokem +7

      Thank you and yes it absolutely is murder!

    • @unite4peace88
      @unite4peace88 Před rokem +15

      Yes!, and hard to believe someone married that demon. 😧

  • @tammygause4651
    @tammygause4651 Před 7 měsíci +9

    Such a sad situation. I wish Renae would have gotten the help that she needed. Sorry for this family's loss of a beautiful young lady.

  • @vynidalopes251
    @vynidalopes251 Před 6 měsíci +3

    This takes being “ messed up “ to a whole new level!!!

  • @killpretty13
    @killpretty13 Před rokem +107

    This is like a reminder that no matter how old your kids get. Ask about their friends. Remind them what qualities they give in a relationship/ friendship and what qualities to look for in a friend.

    • @Hbk-gc7st
      @Hbk-gc7st Před 11 měsíci +4

      Well said!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • @dominiquexo4772
      @dominiquexo4772 Před 11 měsíci +2

      After the age of 21 I can no longer intervene in their life💔

    • @lindahersch3046
      @lindahersch3046 Před 7 měsíci

      That's a whole other matter...agree something was off

  • @thts.my_voic
    @thts.my_voic Před rokem +437

    I hope the laws are passed to criminalize catfishing, Camellia doesn't deserve to walk free, she is a evil person. My heart breaks for Renae's family and friends, she seemed like such a beautiful person.

    • @angelmac5380
      @angelmac5380 Před rokem +10

      Yes, this case really disturbed me. I was disturbed even more by this monster not being accountable

    • @DrLuke49
      @DrLuke49 Před rokem +14

      Karma has Camila's number.

    • @angelmac5380
      @angelmac5380 Před rokem

      @@DrLuke49 She has lived all these years with no remorse, with a family. Everything she denied Renae from. That 💀 deserves a hard carma!

    • @Arianne3011
      @Arianne3011 Před rokem +3

      ​​@@DrLuke49 true..... and _karma_ never forgets an address.

    • @SweetChicagoGator
      @SweetChicagoGator Před rokem +2

      How is Camilla an evil person due to a naive girl living in cyberspace??? Parents really need to address their daughters dating habits !😢

  • @xb8676
    @xb8676 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I am so sorry to the family for their loss. That girl should be held accountable. Idk all the details but it sounds like so much more could have been done in forensics to help. Having a teenage daughter myself, this really spoke and also broke my heart! What a tragedy!

  • @nightstarjournal5081
    @nightstarjournal5081 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Such a sad, sad case. I pray for healing of Renae’s family and friends. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @karliann1
    @karliann1 Před rokem +167

    My mom was catfished for 5 YEARS by ONE person she thought was her friend! It took that long for her to realize the truth! This sick woman never even asked for money so she did it for the thrill sick

    • @niag7273
      @niag7273 Před rokem

      Your mom. Is an idiot…. How tf u get catfished for YEARS??? Never FaceTimed or met? DUMBAZZ

    • @LoveLupe300
      @LoveLupe300 Před rokem +1

      😮 omg how did she find out?

    • @karliann1
      @karliann1 Před rokem

      @@LoveLupe300 She found forged news articles by comparing them to the originals she looked up the people who were fake this person made up...this person was supposedly dying and then at the end she never did...and a lot more. It was crazy

    • @karliann1
      @karliann1 Před rokem

      @@LoveLupe300 This person was pretending to be like 4 other ppl such as a nurse and doctor plus the person wasn't even in our country they lived in Canada I think it was some sort of experiment or something by this deranged lunatic so sad actually

    • @FreedomofSpeech865
      @FreedomofSpeech865 Před rokem +1

      Mother of God! People can be so evil

  • @chandrainsky
    @chandrainsky Před rokem +228

    Inconceivable that someone who killed her close friend in cold blood lives a happy life later!! The society should shame them at every opportunity.

    • @chrisgomez860
      @chrisgomez860 Před 11 měsíci +27

      I'd be hanging posters with camille's picture and what she did around where the monsters lives every weekend.

    • @lucille.phoenix5504
      @lucille.phoenix5504 Před 10 měsíci +17

      God will issue final justice to Camilla😅

    • @candyDander
      @candyDander Před 5 měsíci

      @@chrisgomez860 That's an interesting idea, because I believe she purposefully makes sure she's in areas where she can be seen by Renae's parents. I can't imagine being this mean, manipulative, and devious to people.

    • @Quole1234
      @Quole1234 Před 5 měsíci

      ​​@@lucille.phoenix5504 which God?

    • @Ash2beauty
      @Ash2beauty Před 5 měsíci

      @@Quole1234the only God and God that you know is so real that the demon in you couldn’t help but to reply about.

  • @JamesJones-qi1pc
    @JamesJones-qi1pc Před 17 dny

    Im thankful for people telling me things i needed to hear. I'll take brutal honesty over a deceptive lie.

  • @miamitrancemissions6425
    @miamitrancemissions6425 Před 4 měsíci +5

    Great parenting. She drops a good man that truly loved her for Chad that's in prison for manslaughter. Yeah, not hard to see what direction this would go. Real world.

  • @barbaraness4507
    @barbaraness4507 Před 9 měsíci +307

    Catfishing, scamming, and hacking should be illegal. It should also come with very severe consequences in court.
    Correction: as someone pointed out to me these things are illegal, but I what I was trying to say is that it’s not taken as seriously as it should be in many cases.

    • @samanthasowell9307
      @samanthasowell9307 Před 7 měsíci +8

      Especially if it causes someone to commit suicide. In the US can't someone be charged for malicious ly deceiving? Like people that bully others online and they commit suicide can be charged with something right?

    • @gregoryhawsjr3479
      @gregoryhawsjr3479 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yes agree totally. Yet it happens daily

    • @Rayis4444
      @Rayis4444 Před 6 měsíci +1

      It is, it’s called impersonation.

    • @Lisa.Lucier
      @Lisa.Lucier Před 6 měsíci +2

      I believe all you pointed out IS illegal.

    • @barbaraness4507
      @barbaraness4507 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Lisa.Lucier It is, but not really unforced as it should be. I should’ve worded that differently.

  • @rulaj1
    @rulaj1 Před rokem +561

    This is murder! At the very least this is coercion, stalking and mind control. Pure and simple. No difference from the case in the states where the girl told the boy to commit suicide over and over again and then he did. This is not something as a parent I would let go. The marriage this person is in is nothing but a rouse and a cover for her. I’m extremely outraged that she is not being held criminally responsible. She deserves brass justice. She is a psychopath and needs to be dealt with before she hurts someone else.

    • @elizabethmcleod246
      @elizabethmcleod246 Před rokem +11

      Agreed

    • @alyciamarie4163
      @alyciamarie4163 Před rokem +12

      And she got away with it as well

    • @glee21012
      @glee21012 Před rokem +11

      Not murder. She killed herself.

    • @elizabethmcleod246
      @elizabethmcleod246 Před rokem +37

      @@glee21012 So did Amanda Todd in Coquitlam, BC, Canada and her cyber bully has been sent to jail for 13 years.

    • @glee21012
      @glee21012 Před rokem +11

      ​@@elizabethmcleod246 Not familiar with that case. Irellevant. No body. No proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT this was a murder. That is why the gov't didn't pursue a murder charge. It is a matter of law not your 'feelings'. I don't want the State having the ability to put people away forever on theories and feelings.

  • @BahamutBreaker
    @BahamutBreaker Před 3 měsíci +4

    I don’t know how to process this… a young woman enters a committed longterm relationship with a felon, and she never, ever met this man in-person, or by voice call, or by video call… across eighteen months?? How?

  • @mihaelameyer1297
    @mihaelameyer1297 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great reporting ❤️🙏

  • @HollyFox-ji5wz
    @HollyFox-ji5wz Před 8 měsíci +114

    The police could have recovered that phone data. What a failure they are to this family 😢

    • @commonsense2680
      @commonsense2680 Před 6 měsíci +7

      I was wondering about that. I have seen crime documentaries where the text data can be recovered from the company, so I can't believe they were not able to retrieve the texts the day she died and have the evidence they needed to prosecute that pig monster.

    • @rz5062
      @rz5062 Před 5 měsíci

      @@commonsense2680The police were incompentant. A $100 paid app to do what they could not is proof.

    • @funtyes1970
      @funtyes1970 Před 3 měsíci

      how cops going recovered the phone data if it not there. yes, it sad what happen to her but there no evidence and she didn't break any laws. you can't put someone in prison cuz you think they should be in prison it doesn't work that way.

    • @rz5062
      @rz5062 Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@funtyes1970 Cant speak for other countries, but in the US the phone carriers retain text, images and the cell tower it passed though up to a certain time limit.

    • @carwalk1280
      @carwalk1280 Před 3 dny

      They pick & choose

  • @Dowork360
    @Dowork360 Před rokem +257

    I had a "friend" similar to Camilla. She did everything in her power to completely destroy my life and it worked for many years. They count on your isolation. Exposing her behavior to our families and friends is what finally ended the lies. Years later I'm still picking up the pieces.

    • @JohnWayne-86ed
      @JohnWayne-86ed Před 10 měsíci +25

      Me too, except it's my vulnerable narcissist wife, she had tried to isolate me by demanding all my time and creating conflict between me and those close to me, then she'd say... "You're going to choose them over your wife who loves you more than they do?!", she'd act charming and try to win them over so they'd like her more than me, if it didn't work she'd create problems out of nothing. Ugh... PTSD inducing memories😑

    • @chocolar0074
      @chocolar0074 Před 10 měsíci +12

      Divorce, it's your only option unfortunately

    • @JohnWayne-86ed
      @JohnWayne-86ed Před 10 měsíci +17

      @@chocolar0074 Yes indeed. I divorced a couple months ago, one of us would have died if I didn't... very toxic, and of course she says I was the toxic, abusive one... no accountability😂

    • @hertribe1978
      @hertribe1978 Před 10 měsíci +10

      Sounds like you've turned yourself around for the good. Some ppl don't recognize this (or chosen not to) 💪 great job

    • @Rose-tp5zg
      @Rose-tp5zg Před 10 měsíci +12

      I had sisters who did this sort of thing...
      They had fake profiles. They bad mouth me, and manipulated my friends, and family. My sisters were good at projecting.
      I went through depression, anxiety because of them.
      It's true that the truth can seem stranger than fiction.
      What they did.. can seem unbelievable.

  • @tinainaz3830
    @tinainaz3830 Před 4 měsíci +6

    The police is so incompetent that a 13yo had to solve the case???

  • @cahuillatube
    @cahuillatube Před 7 měsíci

    I’m very sorry for their loss truly tragic. Its a reminder to check in with our kids, friends anyone of us could be manipulated.

  • @wizzardofpaws2420
    @wizzardofpaws2420 Před rokem +234

    Men in prison do not dump any woman. They are desperate to have someone on the outside. There should be a pretty severe punishment for a crime like this. Camilla seems to want attention so badly.

    • @theresarasche3173
      @theresarasche3173 Před rokem +11

      Yeah so give her the attention she’ll receive in prison!

    • @rjay7019
      @rjay7019 Před rokem +11

      I didn't know inmates were allowed cell phones and internet access? I've known people in jail in Utah,USA and Las Vegas NV and they were not allowed to have them.

    • @truthbtoldwright6411
      @truthbtoldwright6411 Před rokem +16

      ​@@rjay7019 Mobile phones aren't allowed. They are normally smuggled into prison by prison staff and family/friends.

    • @EBR1
      @EBR1 Před rokem +4

      @@rjay7019 They smuggle them in, naturally. A cellphone can cost 1500 dollars or more in prison though.

    • @edwardbrianna9729
      @edwardbrianna9729 Před rokem +9

      There was no cellphone in jail , because there was no Braden in jail. Braden was Camilla and no one was ever in jail. It was a lie and a ruse made by Camila.

  • @dbodooley
    @dbodooley Před rokem +80

    A few years ago a friend of mine started behaving strangely and looked very depressed. I asked him about it and he said he’s fine. I didn’t believe him though so I dug a little deeper and he just told me he’s been sad lately and told me not to tell anyone. I went and got my phone and texted both of his parents IMMEDIATELY! He was mad that I did that but I will never mess around with that kind of stuff. He’s doing very well now. Happy as ever

    • @jamileighharris444
      @jamileighharris444 Před 11 měsíci +7

      You’re a good friend. I would have done the same. Keeping secrets can be deadly. I wish everyone would care as much as you do. ❤

    • @I_AM_TEMPLE
      @I_AM_TEMPLE Před 11 měsíci +2

      Good Friend!

    • @user-iw1ym3ri1e
      @user-iw1ym3ri1e Před 11 měsíci +4

      How incredibly brave of you to jump right at that point and probably have a bit to do with his happiness now! People don't take other people's opinions about themselves seriously until disaster/accident happens! God Bless

    • @christinaeckhart2784
      @christinaeckhart2784 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Thank God you did that! Too many people don't want to overstep..... We need to! ❤️

  • @barbaradobner6050
    @barbaradobner6050 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I don't believe for one second that Renee has thrown her phone in before she jumped.Camilla has the phone.. she has a lot to do with Renee's dead.(.maybe pushed her?)..Camilla is now married, I am sure she will use the same tactik with her children or husband , talking bad or lying to them about their friends or partners.

  • @ellajones9844
    @ellajones9844 Před 4 měsíci +4

    You said in the beginning that she never met “him” in person so...that tells you everything right there

  • @rosemariemcgowan6388
    @rosemariemcgowan6388 Před 10 měsíci +173

    I will never understand how people can fall in love with a person they have never met x

    • @Foxsuper1
      @Foxsuper1 Před 6 měsíci +2

      they were in it together, a guy in a foreign prison? gimme a break. This is all false, I believe camilla.

    • @JustMe-ub9yo
      @JustMe-ub9yo Před 6 měsíci +9

      Happens all the time

    • @tylynn256
      @tylynn256 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@Foxsuper1I thought Braden was made up

    • @michelleaw1325
      @michelleaw1325 Před 5 měsíci +7

      ​@tylynn256 yeah he was..guess that person wasn't paying attention to that part..

    • @fatoujane
      @fatoujane Před 5 měsíci

      I’m telling you, and I got in jail that you’ll know you’ll never see

  • @djs2182
    @djs2182 Před 10 měsíci +563

    Are we sure Ranae isn’t locked in Camilla’s basement or something. This is terrifying and feels like a major failure of the justice system. I’m not convinced Ranae jumped nor was she the one who sent that message to her mom

    • @JoieJoyJoi
      @JoieJoyJoi Před 9 měsíci +41

      As I'm watching this, since Renae's body or remains were never found, I'm wondering if Renae went "underground" and escaped to a different country faraway where she assumed a whole new name and identity to finally be free of Camila and her sick, evil, and diabolical obsession with her. It truly would be the only way she could be free of Camila, once and for all, and finally live her life in peace. This is my utmost hope for Renae, and that one day, her parents and siblings will know the joy of being reunited with her and never part again.🙏🏼🕊️

    • @patmandew22
      @patmandew22 Před 9 měsíci +62

      @@JoieJoyJoi that's optimistic, but not realistic... if that were the case im sure she would let her family know she's fine. But mostly, I don't feel like Camilla would warrant an " FBI secret identity", starting a new life in a new city with letting your family think you're dead.

    • @JoieJoyJoi
      @JoieJoyJoi Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@patmandew22 Good, I'm glad you don't think it's realistic. Hopefully anyone who would think to do Renae harm would think the exact same thing. People do "disappear" without the help, aid, or assistance of the FBI. And yes, only her family could know her true whereabouts. It's not _entirely_ impossible. Where there's a will, there's a way. Strictly my two pesos.

    • @Materialgirl_3
      @Materialgirl_3 Před 9 měsíci +18

      @@JoieJoyJoiYou people make up anything smh. That doesn’t even sound logical

    • @JoieJoyJoi
      @JoieJoyJoi Před 9 měsíci +13

      @@Materialgirl_3 If you've never been harassed or bullied so badly that you needed to leave to finally escape the abuse, then yes, this would all seem illogical. That's what bullying/abuse is, illogical.

  • @kellynh9303
    @kellynh9303 Před 4 měsíci +5

    About 10minutes in & I can just feel Braydon isn't real & Camilla set this up & is responsible for everything then I came to the comments & how was she not charged, its clear shes involved in many ways! Unbelievable!

  • @WILDEATS
    @WILDEATS Před 6 měsíci +4

    I can't imagine seeing the killer free and being with a family. Absolutely disgusting.

  • @Deer548
    @Deer548 Před 10 měsíci +206

    Out of all the true crime stories, this hit me in my heart.. Camilla is the definition of evil and deserves life in prison as far as I’m concerned. Absolutely disgusting. She is directly responsible for Renae’s death. 100 million %. I’m crying about this case.

    • @braveinternetguy
      @braveinternetguy Před 6 měsíci +2

      No one can make someone off themselves

    • @kendragaithercrum6010
      @kendragaithercrum6010 Před 5 měsíci +6

      ​@braveinternetguy I disagree. Camilla used emotional blackmail and caused so much distraught for Renae, not just for 1 relationship, BUT 3!! Her first boyfriend, the fake person along with her best friend. She robbed Renae of EVERYTHING and left her totally distraught and then stopped any and all help getting through to Renae leaving Renae totally alone and mentally unstable. Everything she knew was a total lie and then sent her family on a scavenger hunt knowing along what anguish Renae was going through. So don't be naive and victim blame. Renae's only issue was she loved and trusted an evil liar.

    • @nicolaalizeahmoss8637
      @nicolaalizeahmoss8637 Před 4 měsíci +1

      i cried to whole the documentary, its such a shame that a beautiful girl like Renae did suicide...I hope the best for her family

  • @kathryn8248
    @kathryn8248 Před rokem +154

    Renee's family should protest in front of her house every week, letting people in the area know that she pushed someone to suicide purposely.

    • @lford1130
      @lford1130 Před 11 měsíci +16

      I feel the same way. Like if that was my daughter, I’d haunt that Camilla girl. She’d never know a moment of peace. I guess Renae’s parents have more grace than I do. 😅

  • @lynseyfleming1647
    @lynseyfleming1647 Před 5 měsíci +1

    My heart breaks for you and your family. May justice be served, because there is justice that needs to be given. Rest In Peace Renae

  • @Belovelyava
    @Belovelyava Před 8 měsíci +5

    Even if this was true about the secret relationship, she still had everything to do with the psychological,physical and mental abuse. She tormented that poor girl into suicide.

  • @nonyabusiness2840
    @nonyabusiness2840 Před rokem +311

    This is crazy Camila killed her and covered it all up and got away with it! How is she free, that is so heartbreaking.

    • @paulastrose7615
      @paulastrose7615 Před rokem +20

      And the sad part is...who they killed themselves for is living and enjoying life .smho

    • @juliemclain5841
      @juliemclain5841 Před rokem +7

      Narcissism

    • @NOHSAL
      @NOHSAL Před rokem +1

      Whats the fkn point of watching when there are comments LIKE THIS 🙄😡😭

    • @lalitstar2371
      @lalitstar2371 Před rokem +3

      @@NOHSALjust keep watching, there’s bigger things happening

    • @nmo8257
      @nmo8257 Před rokem

      @@NOHSAL then watch before reading the dam comments!!! Idiot

  • @SchlichteToven
    @SchlichteToven Před rokem +184

    This is one case where it seems the suicide really could have been an outright murder. My theory is that Renae did her hair and makeup because "Braydon" had decided to see her after all. She drove out to where she expected to meet him, only to find Camila there instead. Maybe Camila then told her the person she was so in love with never existed and she had been pretending to be him all along. If Renae was then totally destroyed emotionally, Camila might have prodded her to commit suicide, or might have actually pushed her over.

    • @deborah8887
      @deborah8887 Před rokem +24

      Brilliant theory. It makes total sense.

    • @NekoArts
      @NekoArts Před rokem +11

      Only one problem; he was supposedly in prison so it’s not like he could leave to go on a date if he wanted to.

    • @ibjensen8626
      @ibjensen8626 Před rokem +13

      @@NekoArts Camilla could have told her to meet up with her anywhere. Killed her and driven the car to that spot.

    • @fasttrackblastback8286
      @fasttrackblastback8286 Před rokem +3

      She wrote the message on the window. There were no reports of any suspicious finger prints

    • @scarlettphoenix7024
      @scarlettphoenix7024 Před rokem +12

      But Renae told her parents she’d discovered what Brayden was “all about”. To me this seems like she learned that Camilla was Brayden, and it destroyed her. She couldn’t come to terms with what had been done to her. It’s quite suspicious that Camilla sent a message to Renae’s mother right around the time Renae actually disappeared. I wonder if Renae was ever at that cliff…

  • @newhorizon1355
    @newhorizon1355 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Why didn't cops fingerprint the message on her car's window? 🤔

  • @janetmcgee4420
    @janetmcgee4420 Před 7 měsíci +2

    So heartbreaking 💔

  • @averagejoette1570
    @averagejoette1570 Před rokem +371

    My heart goes out to everyone who gets affected by catfishing. Please do your homework on anyone you meet online. Praying for everything and everyone 🙏😥

    • @anneperry9014
      @anneperry9014 Před rokem

      Actually, don't go on line to meet ANYONE. Don't be a moron!!!!!🙄🙄🤬🤬

    • @okgirl64
      @okgirl64 Před rokem

      This girl should be locked up..Complete sociopath behavior..and to think she has a husband and children.
      I met someone that acted nice, was texting and calling me, I thought it was a little much..I ignored my intuition..I ended up regretting..in a short time period, I gave up my home of 12 years, my city , family & friends..he played so many psychological games I nearly went insane, bruising appeared on my body and hairloss.. attempted to live with him..he was cheating and would leave his house for hours..I found out much more..this was just the beginning..
      It took me 5 times to really be done, he was always seeing someone as well. I moved in with family in the area..
      Another yr and 4 months passed before I got out with my life..he was very mean too.
      This was all hidden from others.
      His mom and family think he's someone who is great..this nearly drove me crazy. I'm still not back in my city. I'm very depressed and had worked so hard in my life .
      I can't wait until the girl in the video go to jail for cat fishing the way she did.
      And the guy I unfortunately was fooled by get a criminal charge

    • @msannthrope1863
      @msannthrope1863 Před rokem +1

      Pump the brakes there, Saint Francis of a Seesaw.

    • @msannthrope1863
      @msannthrope1863 Před rokem

      @@okgirl64 Anyone delusional enough to think they can pray for “everything and everyone” needs to back up just a tad and get over themselves. That’s number one. Number two, last time I checked, freedom of speech was still somewhat of a thing so I went ahead and exercised mine. Is that ok with you?
      Obviously you didn’t notice Satoshi Nakamoto’s post before mine. He clearly agrees with me.

    • @okgirl64
      @okgirl64 Před rokem +1

      @MsAnnThrope when commenting directly is common to tag or highlight their name . Your comment comes in right after mine and I'm notified that I received a comment
      In which case makes no relevance
      Obviously

  • @ruthmelicharles5062
    @ruthmelicharles5062 Před 8 měsíci +147

    Anyone who acts like Camilla should not be called a friend. She is simply disguised as a friend who's been an enemy all along.
    I'm disappointed that justice wasn't served in this case.

  • @sofiaciro2525
    @sofiaciro2525 Před 4 dny +2

    The fact the offender in this case, said in court “they” (offender and victim) invented the “guy” together, so they could have a “romantic relationship” elevates a reasonable doubt to argue that according to the offender, the victim and offender “were” in a partner intimate relationship…. Nobody took that for granted to argue that Everything the offender says could be used against her in a court of law…???? The point here is not whether or not the victim admitted or not being in a romantic relationship with the offender… is what the offender is saying that could be used to admit the case under domestic violence laws to charge her for abuse that led the victim to her dead.
    The domestic violence law on coercive control could apply…the disguised was already evident being that it was discovered that the offender catfished the victim, when the messages were recovered….The witness that could testify against the offender to bring charges agaist her on coercive control domestic violence is also the “real” young man whose picture and identity was used in the scheme. In fact he could demand justice for defamation as the use of his identity by the offender was evident to gain manipulation over the victim. In part he could be mentally and emotionally affected by this also.
    I pray that new law comes into place as Renee died mentally emotionally and bullied by the offender.
    The offender is a nacisicist sociopath whose feeds by controlling emotions of others. She comes and goes “in control” by asserting herself as a now “wife and mother…” being seen roaming free around town by the victim’s family. It is going to take a toll on them… 😭

  • @dragonjr11
    @dragonjr11 Před 5 dny +1

    How did none of these people think to call the jail and tell them “hey an inmate has a phone under the name Brayden S” and could give evidence. I feel like that would have saved SO much time

  • @jenjenbee1340
    @jenjenbee1340 Před 9 měsíci +95

    Something similar to this happened in the US, and the girl who caused the man to take his life, was prosecuted and put in jail. This Camila needs to feel this family’s pain.

    • @Nailzbyli
      @Nailzbyli Před 5 měsíci +4

      She NEEDS JAIL

    • @DrAnnBlakeTracy
      @DrAnnBlakeTracy Před 4 měsíci

      Yes & that young woman in that US case was on the strongest so called " antidepressant" there is. I have testified in Antidepressant-induced crimes like this since 1992 & that is why I watched this waiting to hear any clues this Camilla was on one of these drugs as well. It would be no surprise to me to learn that was the case! These deadly drugs create heartless unfeeling monsters over time!

    • @justin9744
      @justin9744 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Uh that situation is radically different and you would know that if you actually knew anything about what you are talking about.

    • @laurawelch1056
      @laurawelch1056 Před 4 měsíci +1

      If you're talking about the how Michelle Carter got Conrad Roy to k!ll himself this is not the same thing. Michelle literally encouraged him to do it, was on the phone with him through it and not only didn't get help but told him not to be a coward and to go through with it. What happened here with Renee is sad and cruel. But it's not the same as what happened to Conrad. I live the next town over to Conrad, he went to high-school in my town.

    • @TomNoles007
      @TomNoles007 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@justin9744Your hyperbolic, hysterical outbursts in these comments are more than a little disconcerting. Maybe get offline for a bit, meet some people IRL and see if you can develop a shred of empathy. Just a suggestion...

  • @Harley59
    @Harley59 Před rokem +198

    The erased/deleted and Renae's missing phone were to cover up murder. I feel in my gut that Renae was lured there and pushed off. When she left her home she thought she was going to meet someone or possibly him. She fully intended to be coming back home.
    Why would you redo/freshen up makeup and fix hair to go commit suicide by jumping in the ocean.
    All the family can do is know that Karma will visit Camilla. It will come with a vengeance. Along with the "reaping"
    You'll reap what you sew.
    This beautiful girl did not kill herself. 😢
    Rest in Peace sweet girl. Her day will come and she'll feel it and know it.

    • @lexiemaep7930
      @lexiemaep7930 Před rokem +23

      OMG that's what I think as well!!! She thought he was out of prison and she thought she was meeting him but Camilla killed her instead!

    • @priscillasimon7453
      @priscillasimon7453 Před rokem +21

      Exactly what I said. She probably was lured in there to be pushed down the cliff and disappear the phone. Also, any agent can recover deleted data. I suspect they didn't want to go an extra mile

    • @twangled08
      @twangled08 Před rokem +4

      Yessss I feel this too

    • @marspar
      @marspar Před rokem +19

      That is a very interesting theory they should look further into. I can’t believe it never crossed my mind, but it is very plausible. And Camila could have sent the text messages after doing it and then threw the phone off. Unfortunately any signs of a struggle on the cliff will be long gone by now, but there has to be SOME way to recover the deleted text messages.

    • @malope2310
      @malope2310 Před rokem +10

      Damn! That's an angle I didn't think! Thought he was coming to finally meet her and then boom, Camilla. Nice thinking there 👌🏾

  • @theadventuresofrachelandav6540
    @theadventuresofrachelandav6540 Před 6 měsíci +2

    This is insane . And disgusting that girl isn't being held accountable

  • @richlewis1879
    @richlewis1879 Před 7 měsíci +2

    It's a total shame because that beautiful girl could have had any guy on the planet

  • @doriangrey9702
    @doriangrey9702 Před 9 měsíci +68

    What injustice. If her body was not recovered, how do they know she went over the edge? And it wasn't staged. Camilla is guilty. This case should be reopened. Rip Renae 🙏 condolences to her family.