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- Why do modern movies fail to resonate deeply? Is it you?
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00:00 - Introduction
00:34 - Box Office Performance
01:07 - Female Protagonist Debate
02:00 - What Movies Should Say
02:55 - Allegorical vs Hypothetical
04:10 - Industry Focus on Aesthetics
05:45 - Over-commercialization
07:07 - Fury Road
08:55 - Training Audiences
09:19 - Changing Distribution
10:52 - Final Analysis
I'm so used to seeing you as a cartoon bird.
Furiosa is a good movie tho. It's not Fury Road, but nothing ever could be. It's digging into the post-apocalypse from a slightly different angle.
I'm sick of the needless officializing of canon, cementing details from things we've previously enjoyed partly because they left something to the imagination.
We don't need to know what led to Fury Road! It gives us everything we need to know! Furiosa is an unnecessary prequel. The only positive is George Miller burning through WB's money.
@@Peter I haven't seen it and I probably wont bother until it appears on TV, but I wouldn't say Miller gives a shit about canon, which should be obvious if you've seen all of his MM movies.
They often contradict each other and that cleverly (imo) explained away by telling each story as if it's just one persons version of events, and not to be completely relied upon.
I enjoyed the heck out of this movie and I didn't think I would@@Peter
@@Peter No no no, you see we really needed to know where the bullets come from, we need to see the bullets being plucked straight from the earth. I couldn't watch fury road without constantly thinking "Yeah but where do the bullets come from?"
@@Peter is it possible youre over thinking this ? I certainly wanted to know more about the green place after seeing fury road... idk is that supposed to make me a moron or something?
I process info slowly, so it makes movies difficult to enjoy because scenes go by too fast.
I think the bigger issue with furiosa is that is that the Mad Max world is not as forward in the public consciousness. Where as Fury Road came during a time of violence and civil unrest in a more riotus sense, much of the concern now is on geopolitics and fascism, drama, political machinations much more than the atmospheric apocalypse that the Mad Max series is known for
Which is interesting because I interpreted Furiosa as a tale of justifiable revenge that seeks to to make something good out if it, using the fruit of revenge as energy to save the future (trying not to spoil the movie. You’d think with cancel and callout culture that it would’ve been approved by audiences, but I guess revenge needs to happen for its own sake. The stunts were awesome, but there are times it feels like suffering porn.
@@sofiapagen revenge is definitely a Timeless theme but it tends to crop up more during times of paranoia often concocted from the fictitious or overstated fears of the audience. Taken and the first John Wick comes to mind. The first being a direct visualization of those fears and the latter being of the aimless grief post 9/11 and the failure of the Iraq War. But that's just my impression and it may very well be chocked up to confirmation bias, idk. If you have any good counterexamples of culturally significant revenge stories I'm curious what I might be overlooking. Revenge obviously often comes from some sort of a slight but I can't think of a way in which Americans have been recently Hoodwinked by by any kind of group at home or abroad in a way the American people seem to care about
Now I have more/better words to use when I think “movie/show bad”
Love these kind of analysis videos - reminds me of the type of thing you made when I first started watching years and years ago.
Would love to hear more atomization analysis
Thanks! 😃
Fury Road had elements of mad Max 2 and 3: the self-interested survivor regaining his humanity through helping others. Furiosa winds the clock back to the original film: beneath the bloated run-time of Furiosa is a simple revenge story. The original was never meant to MEAN anything either. The decision to make it post-apocalyptic was a last minute choice to save money.
Dude, you didn't see Furiosa and you're acting like you know exactly what it is. Its definitely not as good as Fury Road but it absolutely has new things in it and new things to say. The movie absolutely has interesting themes that you can analyze. Plus it has an articulated volkswagen bus and a motorcycle chariot.
And then there is the part where these big companies have incentive to be prudish divide and conquer operations and so they are likely to fail at doing something rather more than less aesthetically pleasing. But yeah do support the creators that you do enjoy.
I loved Furiosa and I went for the allegory. I have been watching a ton of videos that have both positive negative bents, but they are all infuriating me and I couldn't articulate why. This video was very helpful and the first one I've seen yet that has added to my experience of watching Furiosa and my digestion of it! Subscribed!
Awesome! Thank you! I'm glad you got something out of this even liking the movie and didn't take it as me saying I don't think people should like it. I haven't seen it! I can only tell you what I think about their marketing.
Its about precession. In 2024 every film is already watched.
The worst part about re-boots and sequels is knowing the where real fans of the franchise in the room desperately trying to make something meaningful to the original but they probably get shouted down by people who fundamentally miss understood the original work, like this current mad-max , one person talking about deep conversations around war, conservation and community getting bowled over by 'loud vroom cars cool!!'....you know the people that think Walking Dead and Resident evil are about the zombies. So they just have to sneak in the good stuff. I noticed this with the super hero movies, you get some great, but quite character development and dynamics interspersed with girl power and puny god. To be fair the second was great, but the first missed the mark so hard!
I'm concerned that IF, a Ryan Reynolds movie which ripped off Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends is doing so well.
Some adults are allergic to watching animation even when it's better than live action slop with a known actor in it
Nebula gets so close to being a real alternative to the youtube model, and I'm sure it is for the people on it. But it's just the labor aristocracy of content creation, with all the contradictions and structural problems that implies
Why it bombed is simple a large amount of people that use to go to the movies don’t anymore. 5 years ago I would check what movies where being released the next month so I could plan to watch them. I would see at least 1 or 2 movies a month. Now I don’t bother even looking and I may see 1 or 2 a year. Reason is they really suck. I have 4 adult kids that I would regularly treat before but now they usually call me to see if I want to see something. Because I don’t go anymore neither do they and that’s probably because they don’t want to cough up the ridiculous amount of $$$ to see one of these turds.
Deadpool and Wolverine is going to make the most money any movie has made in 3 years.
@@Peterwon't make as much as Barbie. Might outdo Oppenheimer
This explains why I’ve had basically no interest in any new movies in the last 8 years. Ugh capitalism in the aaaarts
also I like your trader joe’s shirt :P
is it a Trader Joe's shirt? lol I didn't even realize that
@@Peter Not really it just looks like the style they wear :P
Do you really think capitalism hasn't always been in the arts? That seems rather naive.
@@donpietruk1517 I don’t think that’s what I said, at least it’s not what I meant to say. I just wish it wasn’t.
The real product of the movie making industry isn't a slew of crappy movies, their real product is a crappy audience that will eat that up over, and over, and over.
That is ultimately the goal, but also people are dynamic and not stupid. You can't pull the wool over peoples' eyes forever.
@@Peter tell that to the vatican lmao
I love you and your voice and your content, Peter! 🎉Keep up the great work!
so very well said. I thought of Butterfly Effect and Kingdom Hearts, and how KH3 was more ticking boxes than allegorical
yes!
very thoughtful. Thank you! And kind of inspirational, too. I am a bad playwright in my spare time. Now I want to do that even harder...
I am glad that that is how you took this. Thank you very much!
Do you guys remember when Destiny destroyied Petter so badly that after 45 minutes he couldn't think anymore and had to make and excuse to leave? Lol Good times
When people started using the word aesthetic as an adjective I knew I had no place in the social media creator/creative space. If the tides start turning on demand for art with meaning I would be so happy.
As in “That video is so aesthetic.” Or “I want it to be aesthetic.”
oh man no joke
Absolutely agree. However, many modern movies either have no message, or they're putting that messaging up in lights in the most unsubtle, straightforward way possible. It is why I'm not interested in most modern movies. I'd rather go back and watch old episodes of Star Trek TNG, DS9 and Voyager. Despite their sometimes, culturally inappropriate tropes by modern standards, that show was ALWAYS about progressive messaging and interesting philosophical or psychological questions. The techno-babble is just the medium it is relayed through. There are many episodes which are deeply impactful, or even still, deeply relevant today.
When I developed the skill to watch media in this way, it not only changed the game, but it made so much media WAY more interesting... when it is good. The worst is when they comodify our justifiable sense of outrage at the state of the world in their transparent "how do you do, fellow kids?" sort of way. Oh... and the quartering has another bad take. Color me shocked. XD That dude is so one note, it amazes me he doesn't get tired of it. I'm also amazed his audience doesn't get tired of constantly raging about the same outrage.
Re: Children of Men, the instant they demonstrated a 'fugee' was the only pregnant woman in the UK definitely concretized it for me as a parable of immigration.
seriously a brilliant movie
Truly is. Senor Cuaron brought the full potential of his cinema wizardry with that one.
I fully admit the critical part of my brain has atrophied, and I don't dissect movies a lot, more treat them like eye junk food. I also would say that seeing a movie in Canada without snacks is $20 a person. Everyone also has a pretty snazzy home theatre now where I give movies I never would in theatres a chance and that is where I have discovered movies I feel would have been enjoyable on the big screen.The question I have is how do we solve this problem? Is it a problem? Is human movie access or retention a main issue plaguing Humanity?
I agree on the point you make about pushing aesthetics because it is easier to determine what people are willing to digest.
It is why the formulaic rules in capitalism. Which I believe causes stagnation. Which in turn creates a need for maintaining a illusion of progress. In simple terms bigger and better.
Not so dissimilar from the motivations for creating kitsch.
Liking the thumbs
100%, spot on. Completely.
Thank you!
Superhero movies prior to 2016 indeed told something. Like when in Spiderman 3 Peter becomes his evil persona, he starts greeting people with "shalom". Clearly Sam Riami as the director wanted to tell the world something with that lol
No but in all seriousness, I agree with the shift in movies. It is not about telling things anymore, but adding things that get people to watch the movie to emulate the successful prequel. One of the imo best examples for this is Clerks 1 and Clerks 2. Clerks 1 is a movie that spoke to me. I saw and still see a lot of Dante and Randall in me and most of my friends. Clerks 2 had its messages, like how Becky as a character might simply resort to "I do not believe romantical love exists, it is all marketing to get us to buy jewelry" comes from a place of loneliness and being caught in a perpetual loop of not getting further ahead probably. But besides that, Clerks 2 felt like "let us make Clerks 1 but have a more memorable cast"
Another example is Jay and Silent Bob strike back. That movie in itself was "what if we did a road trip movie, but with Jay and Silent Bob and many other characters from this Kevin Smith movieverse". Then decades later Smith did the exact same with his daughter as lead character. Almost everything else was the same. They even had a girl gang again, but this time they were not 4 white women but more diverse. Ofc critiques said "see, go woke go broke" but I do not buy that. The movie was shit anyway.
Let's not forget Spiderman 3 Peter's strut. It's magnificent.
Hear, hear!
Before watching this I just got to state if you're not watching movies with a decent surround and big screen (relatively cheap or affordable to buy these days) your depriving your senses. Movies can have more than one thing to enjoy and appreciate about them. Tip 2, going in thinking a movie going to be terrible can help a make you think a movie is better.
A movie narrative can be interpreted in more than one way, people today getting triggered by some propaganda in movies these days, I have news for them, it's always like been that way!
Why think its terrible vs great, just go in with an open mind and look for things to love
@@2o3ief If that works for you, salute. I sometimes do that too.
Good to see you are still around. I used to bug you on twitter over politics, telling you that you leaned too liberal and not enough actual leftist; but that's all liberals who haven't read leftist thought, not fair to antagonize you over a cultural phenomenon. Sorry I was mean. Always thought you were a smart person.
that must have been a pretty long time ago
also I'm pretty convinced, from a Marxist perspective, that "leftism" is an ideology that perpetuates liberalism while feeling antagonistic to it
@@Peter It was enough years I don't want to think about exactly how many hahah. I certainly hadn't completed my political journey at that point, so who knows what I was on about. It was a narcissistic problem I had with respecting other people, and I had just become addicted to the twitter. So nice to see you're still making your way! Still saying things that force me to pause and say dang that was insightful. It is really hard to form original thoughts.
means tv!
comment for comment sake
a fine gesture indeed
haircut is 🔥
i take it back how dare you downgrade such a perfect angel Sydney Sweeney; a bright spot in the darkness this miserable world
Nice
Thanks!
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I never watched Fury Road. To me it looks like an over-stylized, poor imitation of what came before. People playing guitars and giant unrealistic conflagrations of petrol? looks crap. I guess I'd have to watch it.
I like it a lot. I can't imagine wanting to see a movie that looks like The Return of Jafar but for Fury Road
@@Peter - I'll give it a go but honestly (not trying to be edgy and different) they look the same - lots of sand, it gets everywhere :( I looked up the Aladdin sequels - big names for a lot of the cast given "Direct to video"! that's Thomas the Tank Engine territory - the sheer gall!
can you doo a video about the alt right cult hiding behind youtube pop culture criticism
Why though?
No Furiosa is a shit female protagonist. Much like Rey. Both are viewed as the “new main character” when you had Tom Hardy being Mad Max was something everyone was excited for, and that movie turned into Max as the background character.
Fury Road is great though
@@Peter but it was touted as a Mad Max movie and instead we got it being about Furiosa. So some people were frustrated with it.
@@Loukious i find that frustration wierd. mad max is george miller's world to do with whatever he pleases. without any expectations you can't be dissapointed, and fury road is objectively good movie making and story telling
@@dalton-at-work because it was promoted as a mad max film. My buddies and I went in expecting mad max. Not Furiosa.
@@Loukious its called "Fury Road"... having expectations were your real problem though.
You're wrong about literally everything
but you're watching movies wrong
@@Peter Nah
I don't watch movies, nor do I give a shit what commies think.
well isn't that special