Video ‘disproves’ theory that Nicola Bulley in river, according to forensic expert
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- A forensics expert who led the search for Nicola Bulley in the River Wyre believes this video disproves the theory that she fell in.
This video shows the stretch of the river where the mother-of-two is feared to have fallen.
It shows, Peter Faulding says, that the river is slow-moving - meaning that if she was in the river, her body should be nearby.
Faulding, who has worked on cases involving serial killers, was drafted in to help with Lancashire Police's efforts.
The 45-year-old has been missing since January 27, after she disappeared while taking her dog for a walk.
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For me, the big question is why on earth didn't the police seal off the entire park area? People have been allowed to wander freely around the crime scene, destroying evidence, like there's no tomorrow. Madness!
YOU ASSUME THERE IS A CRIME . GO BACK TO WATCHING VERA PLEASE
@@robertlepper5460 usual what looks like a crime is a crime don think?, and even if ia not a crime they cant know from start and they need to secure the area in case they will need evidence? Is just commont sense you cant come after few week saying that there ia a crime but we dont have evidence because we didnt sealed the area from begining.
That's been doing my head in wondering why that never happened..they just assumed she was in the river grrrrr!
Because they can’t afford the tape
Because of the way they looked at the case as not a criminal one just a missing persons case .
I believe that the 2nd witness holds the key. The one who claims to have found Willow. She didn’t find Willow, I think she tied Willow up after an altercation with Nicola. The claim of having to leave the dog and phone there to get to an app gave her an hour to sort out the problem before contacting other people. Who would wait an hour finding someone’s phone and dog? There is a red van on the caravan site. And the cctv there which would’ve shown everything, was conveniently “broken”. 🤔 she never left the fields, at least by foot. They would’ve been able to get her out of there before anyone even knew she was missing. This woman also didn’t want to be named. It’s all very suspect if you ask me…
I really think someone has took her and was never in the water at all too many sick people in the world 😢
trouble is most people already knew that it was far more likely some scum bag has taken her but the police are just useless as per usual.. the dude has probably got rid of the body already and is long gone..
That has to be the case i think .
@@Migman2020 yeah he will be sat watching the news rubbing his hands together knowing they still think she’s in the water they are delusional and should of been treat as a murder from the get go
I think so too although the dog would have followed?
@@simonmitchell60 yeah good point
Personally I feel that this poor lady has been completely let down by the police and how they have handled this case so far.
I hope she comes home to her family 🙏
A lot of time has been wasted on one theory where multiple theories should be on the table from the get go especially when she's walked that route daily. When someone does the same routine daily there a easy target for someone who's stalking you, with social media these days you could have someone stalking you and you wouldn't even know it could of easily crossed paths with that person on her walks and she wouldn't know there intentions.
There’s a number of peculiarities about this police investigation that points towards another Wayne Couzens or David Carrick
It's her husband and her friend who is always on TV, they did it.
@@YOURDADSDILDOyep. Statistically in a case like this closest to her are the most likely suspects. But the husband apparently has an alibi despite the complete lack of emotion or concern coming from him, despite whatever he is saying. You watch him in the news and he may say he’s concerned but his body language doesn’t match that spoken concern.
@@arghjayem both him and her friend (don't know her name but she's brunette and always plastered in makeup) act strange, when her other friends speak they seem to act how you'd expect.
@@YOURDADSDILDO Jezza I'm very much with you on this, I served for over a decade as a frontline Met Police Officer and we learned that close to 70% of all murders/homicides related back to Domestic Violence incidents involving a partner/husband so my view on this case is that it is a strong possibility that her partner could be involved and must therefore be thoroughly investigated
I find it difficult to believe that she could fall into the river and be immediately immobilised to the extent that she couldn't call for help. Her calls would unsettle the dog. It would surely be found in a distressed state. I think that, if she died and started to float down river the dog would follow, it may even have jumped in to the water to help its mistress.
If she just fell, she would enter the water right at the edge, where the water is at its shallowest - she could surely have just stood up.
The "fell into the river" story has more holes than cheesecloth.
I have no idea of her personal life, but the scenario that was found smacks to me of a planned disappearance. The dog was calm - it could have been told to "sit, stay". The phone was deliberately left as the only way to contact her.
The dog was found agitated. Despite what so many comments on this story say, dogs do not blindly jump into water to save drowning people. They have their own survival instincts and if they saw someone get into trouble they aren't likely to throw themselves to their own deaths in some kind of Disneyfied rescue attempt. Nicola could have hit her head or broken her neck in the fall, or suffered cardiac arrest on contact with the cold water. 'She could surely have stood up' shows a lack of understanding about how water accidents occur. It's perfectly possible that she fell in.
Have you ever fallen in a river or even jumped in on purpose in winter, it’s not like getting in the bath.
@@wronggeometry not true. Dogs will bark non stop at sign of danger, especially of it's their owner in danger. There's no such thing as shock as she falls into the water as she was well dressed in warm clothes.
No conscious adult with a dog with get so close to a river as to face the danger of falling into it. We are adults.
Nobody walks away and leave their phone on a bench.
I'm sorry but your hypothesis don't make any sense and is grasping at straws
@@followerswillfollow ok troll
As someone who has been an angler for 30+ years I’ve fallen into many rivers and lakes at all times of the year. It’s not nice but not immobilising at all. 100 different things could of happened to her but the thing that is weird is the phone, you don’t leave it on a public bench even if you are just feet from it, you would stand up from the bench and put it in your pocket or bag
Like everyone keeps saying, she can't vanished into thin air... the clues are there... she walks her dog there 100s of times the area is remote... her phone was left on the bench along with her dog... seems the lady could have been approached & marched off lend away far from the river! If she's not in the river witch looks unlikely now, everyone saying something not right from the start... so that should of been a big clue that she's been taken, go with your instincts... there should be a reward for information to tempt someone that might know something? 🤔 god bless her & her family!
Being separated from her dog is a strange one, such a breed would go wherever Nicola went, her dog clearly wasn't able to go where Nicola was going.
I really hope the lady is found and soon.
@@WaitingOnAngels None of us really know for sure what the dogs last moments were with Nicola, all we're doing is guessing.
I personally think someone has parked near her car, possibly even seen Nicola get out her car to start her walk and waited on her returning, that person has taken her but who knows about the phone sitting on the bench etc.
It's a real mystery but from day one it stinks, you've had experts with rivers say she's not in the river, and the same experts saying IF she was in the river she wouldn't have been far from where they THINK she fell in and they would have found her by now.
I don't personally think she ever fell in the water, she's a healthy looking lady and people that know her have all said she was a strong swimmer, IMO most people that fall in a calm river like that would easily make it back over to the edge.
She's not took a big run and jumped in, falling in would mean she was very near the edge.
2 weeks missing isn't good, they don't find many alive after this timescale, sure hope I'm wrong.
Her fella put then there as an "alibi" after he disposed of her body
@@adamhodgson4185 no chance. He didn't do it.
@@G4RY1159 yes,i would guess abduction ,sad if that’s happened
Just a thought, did they not bring in sniffer dogs? Surely that would of been one of the very first things to do, along with sealing off the area immediately!!??
The one striking element that runs through this story is the odd way all of the main characters behave and speak, from police to witnesses to family members. Nothing rings true.
😂😂😂I live close to St Michael’s and posts like these crack me up! Yeah, the dude from the old house is the real version of Lord Summerisle in this real life Wicker Man place 😂
I don’t think I’m the only person unfortunately thinking the worse case scenario on this disappearance..and the river has nothing to do with it…I presume Nicola knew that area like the back of her hand on her daily dog walk…so maybe sadly someone else did..I pray for the family of Nicola.
Yes, after two weeks, it’s beginning to look that way. It’s her two little girls you have to feel for and how they begin to process this at such young ages if she is never found. It’s a nightmare for the whole family and the Police seem no nearer in obtaining any tangible leads.
IF v sadly that if it comes as a senario that one of the outcomes mayb shes nevr found then life is incredibly risiliant and will come to terms and find fortitude to move forward🎯
Why are the police forcing the narrative of “she probably slipped and drifted off into an estuary”. There is no evidence she went in the water. I think the situation she was in - just sat there on the bench in a secluded area on her own, with an access point behind her would have made it ideal for a kidnapping to be perpetrated.
There is no evidence she was abducted but you are happy to put that theory forward based on no evidence whatsoever.
@@tatata1543 Referring to her abduction - what have you heard the police talk about the possibility of that? Nothing? Because they are looking in the river and literally pissing away thousands of pounds poking away in the riverbed. Have we heard anything about slip marks, footprints, drag marks, dog footprints etc? No. So where is the evidence she fell in the river other than the fact the water was high?
With respect, her body would also be more obvious by now if it was in the water near any habitable place, because of the decomposition process - she would float.
“Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence”.
@@sezthet1 You ask as if you are some sort of expert who is in the know. You’re not, you’re just another internet rando making it up as you go along. What evidence do you have that she was abducted?
@@tatata1543 how on earth can someone fell in a river without leaving any skid trail, and if she fell in the river the dog will bark and will be wet atleast because even the most retared dog will try to help his owner.
1 , a theory is a proven hypothesis
2 , people drown in slow water all the time
3 . What is the substrate ? , if its deep mud she could have gotten stuck in it
4 , a credible forensic expert would not base a conclusion on a short video with little information
Surely if Nicola went into the river 1 she would have to get over the weir, 2 the springer would be wet, I’m convinced the dog would have gone in after her, the dog was dry. Something doesn’t add up.
Isnt the weir UPstream from the bench?
I'll be honest I find it disconcerting when the police try to silence free speech because it might hurt feelings. However they are entitled to speculate themselves regards "working hypothesis" bearing little evidence. I think they've made a rod for their own backs on this case and instead of berating the general public should have been front and centre asking for their help as it's the only way this will be solved
Her partner did it. Case closed
@@BeardLAD no because males kill their partners all the time. It’s murder mystery 101. If she isn’t found in the river it’s because she’s been strangled and dumped somewhere. I’d bet money on it
why do you need to have a opinion
@@skizz741 because I have a brain capable of forming opinions
@@jenbervis4352 i wasn't talking to you
I want them to find her alive so bad bless her she looks like a kind loving woman and bless her children and family x
I don't know why they kept focusing on that river, seemingly forsaking all other theories to begin with.
Sadly police have mishandled this case from the get-go. They formed a conclusion far too quickly and their refusal to account for any other alternative has rendered the crime scene largely worthless. The integrity of the entire case has been compromised. I feel frustrated for the family. If just one good detective had followed standard protocol and immediately secured the scene to preserve evidence - this would have been a very different story. I think it's safe to assume that the police working the case must have realised their mistake relatively early on - but due to crime scene contamination - were left with little option but to double down on the river searching which ironically further degraded the potential crime. As it stands - this is a cold case if ever I saw one.
I can't swim at all and yet I've accidentally fell into a fast moving river 3 times in my life. On all occasions I simply pulled myself up out of the river. I was never in any danger of drowning whatsoever. People don't just fall into a river and drown, especially a non-tidal and almost motionless river. Unless they have heavy weights strapped to their legs.
Please can you learn to swim before the next time you prick about at the river.
Stop using all that logic Neil, 'They' won't like it.
actually, people can fall into a river and drown..and they do. However, this is a very slow moving river. Even if she had a medical episode and fell in, she wouldn't have gone far. You can even see a stick just floating on the surface in the footage, not moving much at all. You only need to have a very basic grasp of physics and common sense to see that she wouldn't have moved much.
We're you wearing a big long thick coat and wellies. If she did fall in she would of got tangled up by the coat.
What video?
You couldn’t swim that river to the sea in nine days.
Its only a few miles, so, technically, you could
A copper probably grabbed her, just like what happened the last time a lady vanished and the cops didn't know where to look.
The police will never recover from what happened to Sarah Everards and this other one that has been done for rape. I wouldn't trust the police ever again after all that. And then trying to stop the vigil. They do not care..
MOBILE PHONE LEFT ON BENCH..
SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT IT TRACKED..
OBVIOUSLY KIDNAPPED.
I think she was abducted and not in the river.
Have l got this right? The gate next to the
bench leads to caravan park. No cctv at
that point. The early stories say the dog
was by the gate and bench. Not at the river.
Now a 2 hour window. That gate rarely gets mentioned.
It's all fishy to me no way did she fall in the river
Can't understand why it wasn't sealed off as well. The dog could have been the best lead they had if handled correctly at the beginning. I know us as armchair detectives don't have the full information. The way the investigation has gone just seems baffling.
The police have messed up. They first said a ten minute window. What are they afraid of finding out? She’s clearly taken or dead let’s be fair. But she’s not in the river
@@thesedreamsarefree you are right. Unless they know sonething we don’t know. Not treating this as crime scene and extending to caravan park, we may never find out what happened. But i hope the caravan park is being considered as search area.
Judging from the dogs body language of pacing from the bench & the gate I'd say she must've gone through the gate.
i’d argue this is worse then knowing she’s been murdered, the fear of not knowing where she is, what happened, if she was/is in pain.
(edit)- i didn’t explain this very well but. what i’m saying is the fear of not knowing what’s happened to her, i would argue is worse than knowing what happened. i bet it’s like torment for the family.
She may not be, she might of been kidnapped by the farmer & being held & raped
Nobody said she had been murd3red this is a huge leap in speculation!
@@philwhatever3903 not at all you clearly don't follow true crime
@@Steezy93 no evidence!
@@philwhatever3903 well theres no evidence that she fell in the river either, and she isnt just going to 'run away' from her family. Her being kidnapped is the most likely explanation. and 99% of those end in a murder
Why would she even risk falling into a cold river in Feb
That looks shallow enough someone could even stand up.
If she fell in the river her phone would have been in her hand. Was it left behind on purpose so that she couldn't be traced. It looks like an abduction to me. I pray that she will be found soon alive and well. I pity her poor family.
I reckon the media are going to fade this story out.
Looks like I was right.
She's been kidnapped. There's no way she fell into that rivier. The police are a joke
Yes they are a joke.
The Lancashire police are totally incompetent. This enquiry is out of their depth. When looking for someone in a river you don't start looking by going downstream. You calculate where they would be then add a km. Start the search further downstream then go upstream.
Why in earth do they keep in saying she's in the river and no foul play??
Does anyone thing the police know more and they can't say?
@@karenkalasy8251 think
Who proposed the river theory, please?
The masonic police!!!
Superintendent Sally Riley
It wasn't me honest.
it’s not like it’s impossible that she fell in is. it’s the most likely source. obviously with other evidence etc it doesn’t seem like she is in there
That guy from South East to promote his book
Remember when the so called experts told you to look like this 😷
As the people who told you that was out partying laughing at how easy people can be fooled 😷
Bingo
Whilst attempting the 6 peaks challenge many years ago, one of our small party vanished from right beside us. She had fallen into a vertical hole right up to the top of her head, it took us a few minutes to find her and pull her out. I just wonder, especially as Nicola had nobody with her.
I've kinda thought that myself. Crazy I know but is it possible she could have sank into the mud or something 🤔 a hole in the river bed that closed up behind her..? It seems almost equally impossible that she was kidnapped, without anyone seeing or hearing anything 🤔
As crazy as it seems all avenues must be followed in this case... I know a lot of police men/ex police men have ties to or are part of the Freemasons... St Michael’s Church is frequented by the masons & the church backs onto the river... All police officers investigating should be looked into for ties to the Mason's in that area... There's absolute truth in this & its a lot more plausible than aliens...
@@sadakamber5843 Seems more likely she is chopped up in some Hotel with one of the Government Guests..... imo
There are often nooks, holes, ledges, and hidden channels in the bottom of rivers. If water is being sucked through one a body could become trapped. Until decomposition causes the body to come to the surface.
@@dogblessamerica the body would have bloated and filled with gasses by now, so if it was in the river it would be floating, unless it was well weighted down,
made a mistake in the title so just copied it over to the video - great journalism that is!
Which video ?
How is this theory working out for the apparent “expert” now?
Stay alive angel, stay alive. They will find you, the police are good
What at, murdering?
@@whoshatwat why would you find this funny.
This is extremely worrying. Of all the people who go missing I don't remember 1 being such a big story. This sort of distraction is usually political
Usually I might agree, but this is youtube's news coverage, not reliable and built to entertain the public. I wouldn't worry, just explore more news sources if you're not already.
@Richard Jones yeah this is youtube but the national TV news outlets are all covering this story with 90% of their time
Whatever this rat is….it phucking stinks! What about some coverage of the 13 others missing every day in this country ✌️➕❤️🌟✨
@Jono_Young_music youtube deleted your comment 🤦♂️ but yeah it's definitely not right, have just seen a story of a man's body has been found who went missing a couple days ago and its only a small headline not a massive national story
There was that time those doctors went to Portugal and their daughter totally didn't die after they drugged her and left her and her siblings alone in their holiday apartment; and then they and their friend group made up a bunch of lies about the timeline of events, and cadaver dogs found the scent of a corpse in the wardrobe and back of their rental car.
But it was totally an abduction! The mainstream media was very clear about that. Nothing to see there. Don't question the narrative.
This is absurd! We all know she is not in the river! Even me a non swimmer would have made out of that river.
I wonder why the police are stuck in this crazy theory when they should have been looking for someone who has taken her from the beginning. Ludicrous!
Police will want to search the Panama canal next, anything apart from looking on land.
If you threw the corpse of a dead pig for example, similar weight to this missing woman into the river at that spot ,even clothing it for effect would give them a better indication of how the river moves the body.
All good saying that. What about the kid who's body didn't show up for 2 months in the same spot?
Of course she ain't in the river. Why the hell would she be???
I don't mean to take anything away from this case, but why has this case specifically been thrust into front line news for this long? 100s of thousands of people go missing every single day.
Odd
The absurdity of this case has caught people's attention I guess. Not one single lead. Not even a bent piece of grass! Zero.
They’ve Made it a big thing bcoz they no it’s dodgy as F@@k
The only missing people cases that ever get the attention they deserve are women with a pretty face or young girls. Because these rodent media companies know it’ll sell more.
Because she’s……..never mind.
Just because it's calm on the surface doesn't mean it's calm bellow the water.
Mr faulding also said that on that day note on that day .Meaning the day she may have fell in the river .The river had a FLOW to it so it matters not what a stick does a couple of days ltr .
Crazy how you need to be considered an expert before anyone listens to you about the river being slow-moving... people were acting like it was a raging torrent that had carried her away and now they finally accept how ridiculously stupid that sounds
This "case" is interesting.. The dog was found bone dry, dogs do not hesitate to go in water after the owner, which is a good sign to rule out her being dumped in the river.
Apparently there is what was thought to be an abandoned building nearby, it wasn't and a 72 year old man lives there.. Why is he not the first and most immediate suspect? You might say he is too old to abduct anyone.. But there are capable 72 year olds, his age is good cover.. ... If I was investigating, I would try and get a search warrant for there.
Also Nicola had a job at the bank as a mortgage/loan adviser... Could it be any of the people who got their application rejected wanting revenge? Are those people who had a meeting with her specifically, not suspects? Compile a list and interview those rejected in the last 12 months... May be issue getting list due to GDPR regulation...
My third port of call might be friends, family, work colleagues, seize their smartphones and check for messages that could tell us about collusion... Again a privacy concern...what to do?
Just my thoughts
Thoughts should remain just that.
@@whoshatwat no. It is imperative that everyone is informed
Not all dogs have the instincts to jump into the water to save their owners. This is a fact
@@Ryan-jm9ch no
Police F'd this up..should have been 2 pronged search..on land and river.
Still think she’s in the river. 🤷♀️ the dog would of left if she had of left. The harness was on the river bank. Something happened to do with the dog. Just a gut feeling 😞
The bf knows.
As do the first witnesses on the scene who’ve refused media interviews.
That first hour has the clues and nobody speaks about it. They’ve used the river to throw you. Bf complicit
Well that expert failed miserably
I have been working on and around rivers for over 50yrs, this poor lady could quite easily have fallen into this river by kneeling or laying close to the edge, a bank collapse is very common on this type of river bank. Once in the water, she could easily create a further fall attempting to get out. There could be 1/2 to 1 ton of earth in a fall and the river bed would naturalize within 20mins. I feel sure sonar would be useless with this sort of event and a diver would have a huge dig on his hands. - no slip marks above and the dog stays put. I really do believe the police will revisit this area before long - only a guess
One of the wiser comments on here!
I guess the last contact person with her is someone that she may know. Any regular dog walker may have seen that person before.
What's with the music? We we know what's with the music they add music to video to create an emotional reaction in the viewer, the real question is why was it added to this video..
It seems that the only person that believes she's in the river is the woman who's sadly in charge.
How does this video prove or disprove anything?
Doesn't. And the music is like a mourning durge. Poor taste, imo.
I don't understand. Is this a video of another part of the river, from the exact same day & time she went missing? ..if not how does it prove anything?
IT DOESNT... WEPCOME 5O JOIRNALISM. ANYTHING FOR A STORY AND VIEWS.
If, let's say, someone forced her away: how far is the nearest road? Does that road have any cameras? Is it possible to park on that road? Someone must have seen something.
Jeez why oh why have they only concentrated on the river, they have ASSUMED and they should not have done.
Outhouses farms
Local places
Although it seems unlikely, depending on how she may have fell in, it’s possible to drown in very shallow water. She could have suffered a cardiac event from the shock of the cold water, hit her head, became immobilised in the cold water, or simply went under head first and naturally panicked causing drowning. It’s so strange though that her body wasn’t found in that stretch of calm water. The combination of the two unlikely events together, make it really suspicious! The abduction theory also seems unlikely, with the dog staying by the river? It’s such a mystery. Poor woman and her poor children and husband :(
You forgot to mention Clare that apparently Nicola was a strong swimmer, it makes your theory rarther implausible.
Yes, I think you’re right that if she is a strong swimmer then she might have coped well with riding out any cold water shock until she could potentially pull herself out. If that was possible? But the strength of a swimmer wouldn’t affect how they would respond to a cardiac event like a dangerous arrhythmia leading to cardiac arrest for example. Even an arrhythmia just leading to her becoming unconscious, would obviously result in drowning too.
Put Loads Of Pool Noodles With Little Weights At One End ,Drop Them Into The River And Follow Them , It Will Tell You Speed Of Flow And Direction Of Tide And With GPS DATA ,You Will Have A Very Good Chance Locating This Young Mother IF She's Sadly Fallen In...
The altitude of St Michael is 7.4metres above sea level. Its 15 km to the sea.
how does a stick on top of the water show you the current underneath?
He wasny drafted in, he said himself that he offered his services via social media.
A "strong swimmer" overwhelmed by a river with very slow flow something doesn't add up.
Mayb the fit bit watch proves she was sat down.. took a few steps then heart rate threw the roof into the water and no more steps. Truth is we don't know the facts and neither does that bloke. Them watches can show heart rate, steps taken, even swimming. We just don't know what info they have from that app.
I think they must have Fitbit evidence that would show no steps taken after she was at the bench location however if someone has abducted her they may of forced her to remove her Fitbit and phone to prevent tracking it’s been known to of occurred before
@@letsauditinheels Her Fitbit hasn't been synced since the Tuesday before she went missing, so says one of her friends. Check it out.
@@Ladynipchick2 I see I thought I’d read that I was thinking why the police were sure she hadn’t left that area and thought they were going by her Fitbit data
What video? No mention of it in this.
Was her dog found? If she was taken it'd be odd to take the dog as well. And if she fell in wouldn't you let ho of the lead? Dogs can swim. If they're saying she slipped, bumped her head & drowned then wouldn't the dog survive?
I don't think she fell in. If she did then she'd have been found by now. When we die in the water we float. Try it next time you're swimming. Lay on your back and relax. I think it's 3% of us that stays out of the water. If you're comfortable holding your breath try it on your front. You'll still float.
Even if our lungs fill with water then the gasses produced after death will make us float too.
It's the dog thing that puzzles me. If she was snatched then the perpetrator wouldn't want the hassle of the dog. So if the dog hasn't been found then she went willingly, taking the dog with her.
I think the police just didn't want a huge search so came up with the river thing. Now the forensics of whatever happened will have been degraded.
What did the police think everyone would say? "Oh! She's fallen into a shallow river that's more of a muddy ditch. Ok, let's just forget it then."
That's madness! Who are these fools in uniform. Their reaction was either out of laziness or stupidity & probably both!
Edit: Just read that they found her dog & phone. That means, out of the above possibilities, that she was taken under duress. If you knew the person then her dog & phone wouldn't've been found.
You float when swimming because you are not wearing heavy winter clothes and boots which get waterlogged and drag you down.
If she'd commited a crime they would've found her by now.
River looks shallow at its shore . Even if Nicola got unconscious and rolled down into it, does not look river is strong to swallow the body . If Nicola was conscious she could have stand rather than have drawn . If I lived in UK I would volunteer for testing versions on me . “ Saint Pete Ru
You are Russian?
@@liveuser8527 Yes, I’m
@@Katerina_Dyson fantastic!
And may I ask...how much milk are you producing?
@@liveuser8527 Did not get your question
How silly does this now look?
What about the other two guys that have “vanished” by the lake in the area?
Can't they use a dog to trace her steps? If the dog walks to the river bank and stops there,she fell in. If the dog gets a track , that is.
It has rained since then, dumb idea.
Its that still I'm waiting for Jason Voorhees to pop out of it.
Or Freddy Krueger
No-one EVER puts their phone down on a bench, leaves it, and then slips into a river.
If she put the phone on a bench, she would pick it up when she stood up.
Clearly you've never been on a mind numbingly boring teams meeting
@@rscoops3986... Next to a river? In February?
@@howardmckenna Like many brain dead commentators, you clearly haven’t read any case details. It’s hilarious watching people spin out over questions that have already been categorically answered hahaha
@@rscoops3986... Nope. None at all.
I really don't care enough (at all really!) to get that involved.
@@WaitingOnAngels She didn’t care about the meeting, she just had to officially be on the teams/zoom call for work. No contribution or active listening was required.
Just another missing person. Why aren’t we sp3nding so much on finding the rest?
Suddenly without any actual evidence or investigating people are 100% convinced they know everything they need to know, never seen so many experts on the water levels and currents of a particular river in one location of the UK before!
Different experts will appear on relevant subjects that they are experts on, if this was a topic on baking cakes then this thread would be full of cake experts, hence why you are seeing water and current experts here. Hope that helps.
Same happened with anti vaxers and pandemic deniers, people are so sure they fully understand something they know next to nothing about and what's more they feel its essential they broadcast those opinions to anyone who'll listen.
Suddenly without any actual evidence the police tell us Nicola (a strong swimmer) has drowned in a motionless and non tidal river.
And yet Paul Ansell is 100% convinced she is not in the river. I guess he's an expert too by your logic.
@@Totalinternalreflection Dunning-Kruger syndrome is one hell of a drug.
Just read that the "River Wyre had / or had the highest concentration of PFAS (forever chemicals) in the UK following an industrial leakage further up the river at Blackpool".
Just making an observation.
Someone could of approach her, she left the phone on the bench as she doesn't want the person listen to a possible confidental teams call for work. The person was then snatched her and potential had a route to avoid detection. There have been a few incidents over the years that a woman has just vanished without a trace, Claudia Lawrence comes to mind
Yes, and for those of us old enough to remember, Suzie Lamplugh in 1986. It may be another of these high profile cases that never get resolved. I think after more than two weeks, sadly it’s highly unlikely that she will walk into a Police station off her own back. It’s a baffling case and one that even the Police can’t seem to procure any meaningful leads regarding,
I’m sorry but I can't stands So Called the police actions and the experts they are so lost so wrong no structure of progress whatsoever. Smart thinking logic apply here. They feed the public with lies and miss informations without evidence AND also criticize the public for the opinions ,people has the rights to express the opinions to help finding Nicola. Since day one they never explore different avenues and act quickly to find Nicola but what they did went to the river look for white shark. At that critical point they wasted valuable time to Find Nicola and bring her to the love ones which her kids desperately need her.Whoever did this its a monster and I HOPE that one day justice will prevail.I am sorry to say BUT our society is broken and we don't have system which will protect Public Safety
@@pawelkrol5505 I wouldn’t disagree with your sentiments my friend.
!!!Claudia Lawrence disappeared in 2009. The RED VAN was also on camera!!!! strange coincidence? Claudia Lawrence red van = Nicola Bulley red van!
MY PRECIOUS LORD it better NOT b another monster in the Police !?🎯I heard via a youtube vid ..10 unknown
facts that She was a strong swimmer ..that theres camras in park but by the bench it was switched off and that the fone was not as reported on ground but bench or vice versa as reported. These 3 i remember. ✊🏻
It seems like the direction to look now is not the river but along the area with no security cameras were and now community members are standing with signs asking for any information. Very brave, intelligent and loving of community members to take action. I do not think Nicola Bulley vanished on her own leaving behind her dog, phone, abandoning her daughters yet emailing her boss... odd if someone kidnapped her that they did not restrain the dog tying the dog to the bench and or dog did not follow...and no one saw anything...?
I’m sorry but I can't stands the So Called the police actions and the experts they are so lost so wrong no structure of progress whatsoever. Smart thinking logic apply here. They feed the public with lies and miss informations without evidence AND also criticize the public for the opinions ,people has the rights to express the opinions to help finding Nicola. Since day one they never explore different avenues and act quickly to find Nicola but what they did went to the river look for white shark. At that critical point they wasted valuable time to Find Nicola and bring her to the love ones which her kids desperately need her.Whoever did this its a monster and I HOPE that one day justice will prevail.I am sorry to say BUT our society is broken and we don't have system which will protect Public Safety
Wondering how far from bench to Irish Sea…have heard 3 different numbers, 3different videos…7mi, 10mi, 12mi…anyone really know?
Look on google maps.
So the river being "slow-moving" at that particular time in the video was the exact conditions when Nicola went missing? How can this forensic expert verify that?
this video was filmed the day she went missing. its the first thing i saw and thought at the time. how is the spaniel not wet if she was anywhere near the water the dog would of joined her
@@chriscoombes272 no it wasn't, Peter Faulding chucked a stick in the water on the last day of his search.
@@alexarosa632 ok but the first video I saw if not this one the water level and speed are similar.
She fell in the river. It was an accident. Nothing sinister going on
Its weird to see whole british media focusing over one person . Arent there any other important issue in whole of uk ? Every news outlet is completely focused on this and youtube is promoting this like crazy
This just in: News outlets reporting on global and domestic matters rather than one missing person. In other breaking news: CZcams algorithm pushes cute puppies and kittens to people who routinely search puppies and kittens.
Distraction for something
Wasn't she from a different part of the country originally? Essex I seem to remember reading. Would it be worth looking into the possibility she has run back there and is in hiding? It may be a shot in the dark but given all other scenarios have come to nothing maybe worth looking into?🤔
she has 2 children.... seems unlikely she's ran away unless she was worried for her life.....but surely she'd have gone to police.
@@footyball66 why would you go to the police. They dont want to do anything until you're injured or dead.
It’s been said repeatedly, she had an extremely close knit relationship with her family, her parents. IMO if she’d been in trouble, she would have gone to family for support, not run away (and leave her two children feeling tortured and abandoned).
@@jesusismykingelijahchronic9823 People still think Elvis is alive
Come off it. She's been murdered. Don't give a monkeys what the old bill say - I sort of guessed she would not be found in the river. Sorry, but i reckon the police have been barking up the wrong tree. Shes sadly gone i think.
Why the spooky sound effects though.
So, is the guy who says this a forensic expert, used to investigating serial killers, or an expert on hydrology and fluid dynamics? Last time I checked, these were two completely different things.
It doesn't take a mastermide to deduce that river isn't going to sweep anybody away.
@@61js and yet... it does, it has. Amd its been months before remains have been founds
There is obviously foul play. She wouldn't just put her phone down and turn it off randomly.
English police reading this - you have no jurisdiction over usa laws.or korea or china or anywhere outside England. To say you will go after anyone making abusive comments just proves how incompetent you are
Look at the raging river 🤔
Has it not rained heavily since the 27th ? Streams naturally speed up and slow down with rain fall and right now in U.K. is not wet or raining but a week or two back it was constant?
Yes, heavy rains apparently
I don’t think she just ran off - who would leave their dog? (Not to mention their children) And which dog wouldn’t follow their owner, or at least try to? I pray she’s still alive, and will come home to her family. 🙏
czcams.com/users/shortsO3lUI3vm_Rg?feature=share
Many people run off from their boyfriend & family. The boyfriend did it.
Alien abduction maybe only the dog knows
Pretty naive to think no one would run away from the family.
@@MrJamiez You don’t know that though, do you Jamie?
The incompetence of the police and their theory have more than likely cost Nicola her life 😰 she never went in that river she was taken and the incompetence is shameful . I feel so sorry for Nicola and her children and family. The area should of been sealed off immediately house searches immediately . All sex offenders raided immediately warrant or not, if someone is missing just raid them . Sex offenders shouldn't have a choice just go straight to them and search. They should of had sniffer dogs looking for her scent . They should of put the dogs at the gate and the path . The caravan site should of been searched straight away . Traffic police everywhere . It's not hard . Poor nicola.
Things don't add up at caravan park to me. Was there an altercation? I saw a recent video of the lady who owns the caravan park and her grandson and they weren't pleasant people in my opinion.
Only cooper could knew about non working cameras in some of parks areas.
What is the word for the opposite of journalism? Is it ‘independent’?