Jocko on Helping vs Enabling and When To Cut Ties - Jocko Willink

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    Excerpt from JOCKOPODCAST 19

Komentáře • 110

  • @kronjobonjo
    @kronjobonjo Před 4 lety +72

    You can't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm.

  • @Josh350
    @Josh350 Před 4 lety +12

    Jocko your recent podcasts have been helping me cope with my separation/break from my partner from 12 years.
    Not going to lie, it's difficult to love yourself when you go through something like this.
    Thank you.

  • @nicorusso1526
    @nicorusso1526 Před 4 lety +47

    Amazing. Listening to Extreme Ownership and have the alarm set for 5am. Jocko is awesome

    • @viiiRA_
      @viiiRA_ Před 4 lety +4

      I'd do that...except I get home from work at 5am. 😰

    • @dustog8217
      @dustog8217 Před 4 lety +1

      @@viiiRA_ wake up at 5:30 then

    • @anthonygutierrez5014
      @anthonygutierrez5014 Před 4 lety +1

      Started working out hard 5 days a week and doing "active rest" on weekends because of Jacko

    • @nicorusso1526
      @nicorusso1526 Před 4 lety +1

      @AlwaysAdventurous302 I’ve been doing so for about 2 months

  • @freshstart3555
    @freshstart3555 Před 4 lety +5

    6:48 Well said Echo. I never thought of it that way. Put in the thought; Systematically to help uplift the person. Remind me of the Teach a person to fish parable

  • @thevalleyofdisappointment

    Jordan Peterson has an analogy of trying to rescue a drowning buddy where he is kicking abd grabbing at you. At some point you gotta keep back and tell them to cooperate or your not gonna drown too

    • @TheHulksMistress
      @TheHulksMistress Před 4 lety +1

      I love that analogy. He says it's how lifeguards are taught to act right? That technically they have to keep the panicked person at a distance by pushing them away with their foot, to keep from being pulled down too
      As someone from a family of massively anxious people, I keep that in mind a lot and it's saved me so much stress. Whenever I sense them getting too panicked, I keep them at a safe distance

    • @SuspiriaX
      @SuspiriaX Před 3 lety

      @@TheHulksMistress at times they may even opt to knock the panicked person unconscious.
      There was a video on CZcams about this but it has been permabanned for violence.

  • @yaburu
    @yaburu Před 4 lety +10

    This is relevant to my life right now lol.

    • @warriorspirit4886
      @warriorspirit4886 Před 3 lety

      Me too. Should I stay or should I go...

    • @NorlynCodes
      @NorlynCodes Před 3 lety +1

      Same here. I want to help but not to the point where I can’t anymore. My mother wants to take in more relative because I have job anyway and she said it’s my responsibility because they help raised me. I am not even stable financially. I constantly feel that I cant make decisions on my own. This is my fault because I didn’t set the boundary.

  • @omareky3980
    @omareky3980 Před 4 lety +23

    I agree, also in other cases, having body positivity or body acceptance movements enables people to be fat.

    • @rachaelchavez8766
      @rachaelchavez8766 Před 4 lety +1

      Haha bunch of fatties.lol

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety +1

      I’m on board with that statement. I try to get my roommates to train with me but nope they wanna be weak . they’re little and skinny not fat but out of shape. my 300 plus pound brother could run circles around them and he’s a older in his mid thirties . he’s not fat tho just big and strong.

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@rachaelchavez8766 even in states considered skinny population wise still thirty percent of adults r fat. not saying some fat aren’t in shape and really strong cause I moved furniture with one and honestly I wouldn’t want him on top of me beating my brains out. he was a freak of nature and had balance and just stupid strong. but yeah he’s not healthy. plus he smoked Malboro reds . like two packs a day and his girl worked at Waffle House of course so if the boss booked a job late at night we’d pull in there with the truck and eat there for free. if it wasn’t out of our way.

  • @dirty69impala
    @dirty69impala Před 4 lety +2

    Man, I had to watch this several times to figure out what you guys were actually talking about. I’m an old man and my mind don’t work too good no more. However, based on my observations of people over the years, people always have “intentions” whenever they do anything. Those intentions are either “selfish” or “selfless”. The real question then becomes, “What are MY intentions when I offer or give somebody help?” I don’t think many people have been taught to ask themselves this question. Once you get your intentions right then your help will actually be help and the possibility of the other person “dragging you down with them” is diminished. Prime example, watch the next time you see a car accident. You’ll probably see a lot of people standing around watching. They’ll tell you they ran over to see what happened and if they could help. Their intent was “selfish”. They wanted to see what happened (same reason folks slow down on the freeway when there’s an accident). You’ll probably see maybe, one or two people actually helping. They’ll probably have a first-aid kit, a blanket or something. More often or not, they weren’t the first on scene. Their intent was “selfless”. They knew someone needed help, they gathered together what they needed to be able to help and then they did it. Same thing goes for when you help in any situation. Drug addict friend? Are you giving them money to help them or, so you can feel good about giving them money (and get them out of your hair). Or, do you give them “tough love” (tougher on you than them usually) and take those steps to get them the mental skills to be able to help themselves. This goes for everything in life. From spending quality times with your kids to earning the Medal of Honor. Selfless or Selfish intent. Heavy sht.

    • @LostPr3acher
      @LostPr3acher Před 4 lety

      Well bloody spoken Pops. The wisdom is respected. Thanks.

  • @rsn9394
    @rsn9394 Před rokem

    Great points. Echo drove it home with systemic help. And putting thought into how and how much you should help someone. Good point echo Charles

  • @timmmychanga
    @timmmychanga Před 4 lety +9

    Thank you very much!

  • @Shdwkd666
    @Shdwkd666 Před 4 lety +7

    I’m addictive to helping people it has pulled me down. I wish they would preach this in church instead of always loving people better and being people pleaser. Saying yes or no is an ego thing for when I was trying to please everyone.

    • @CWKBigMac
      @CWKBigMac Před 4 lety +2

      Sounds like your an empath. Look into it brother and learn to protect yourself from prowling narcissists that will take advantage of your addiction to helping people.

  • @josepaulloor6449
    @josepaulloor6449 Před 2 lety

    Sounds like a good advice the Army told me the same thing early in my Training.

  • @hirumbiffidum9145
    @hirumbiffidum9145 Před 4 lety +14

    I carried a drug addict that had his own A901 permit holding garbage disposal operation for about two and half years and it always sucked; I had to earn a living. I don't live off of federal tax money ...

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      I got food stamps for groceries when I moved furniture even I was making good money. under the table so I didn’t have to report it. I’ll do whatever it takes. let these rich people who I moved do our job for half an hour 😂😜yeah right. they tipped us good tho cause their stuff is heavy .

  • @catwesage
    @catwesage Před 4 lety

    Echo made a really good point here. Putting thought into helping someone on a systemic level >>> meaningless encouragement/temporary lifts.

  • @gonewiththekale
    @gonewiththekale Před 4 lety +2

    Helping vs Enabling... very deep.

  • @missj7262
    @missj7262 Před 4 lety +4

    I think when you mention "people who that's their thing" [to get overly involved in people's problems] - that may be "normal" for them, but I still don't think it's healthy.
    I believe that it results from a lack of boundaries which usually stems from CPTSD or childhood neglect/abuse.
    It's an extreme form of people pleasing and seeking validation through helping others.
    Wanting to help others is noble but it's only healthy when we are able to maintain healthy boundaries. If we get pulled down that means there was already a weakness/lack of boundaries preexisting.
    However, sometimes there are exceptions, where we get worn out over a long period of time or from an overload of stress, as with cases of professional burnout (mainly in medical, mental health and military professions).

  • @joee95
    @joee95 Před 4 lety

    It’s up to the person that you’re trying to help to sustain that platform you helped them get

  • @horsehorse4595
    @horsehorse4595 Před rokem

    In my opinion true help
    Is when you do something for someone with zero agenda for yourself. When an act is NOT done from guilt , obligation , or self reward.
    In my opinion we are not often taught healthy boundaries.

  • @tyronepetrie
    @tyronepetrie Před 4 lety +2

    Truth spoken!

  • @jsmitty4675
    @jsmitty4675 Před 4 lety

    There are some people down on their luck thats for sure. There are also alot more people who given any help no matter the form that do not wish to alter their circumstances with effort from within. You give some the opportunity and if they are willing to consciously make the effort then you are more then likely helping anything less is enabling.

  • @midlife3581
    @midlife3581 Před 4 lety

    Some cultures are inherent codependent and raise individuals that feel obligated to put themselves out even when they don't have to and it's not good for them.

  • @Je.rone_
    @Je.rone_ Před 4 lety +1

    More often than not if you give someone money for example your enabling them, but not helping

  • @uns33n
    @uns33n Před 4 lety +2

    I agree with the logic of give a man a fish/teach a man to fish. But if the guy is dying just feed him. Then teach him.

  • @FK-ef7xx
    @FK-ef7xx Před 4 lety

    People who wants just to help people is their way to not deal with their own demons. It is easier to escape to this path than face it, and battle their own shadows.

  • @BiggieSmalls946
    @BiggieSmalls946 Před 4 lety +1

    U gotta cut ppl off wen they take advantage n dont give back n just take

  • @Kpopcho
    @Kpopcho Před 4 lety

    Insightful and critical. Thank you

  • @JeepersCreepers2013
    @JeepersCreepers2013 Před 4 lety

    Somebody once told me that you're 100% responsible for 50% of a relationship. Not exactly on topic but I found that comment helpful at the time.

  • @SwissMarksman
    @SwissMarksman Před 4 lety

    I just figured that out with my Uncle who is an "heavy" Alcoholic. It's actually sad because he started it (what I think, but I might be also wrong) heavily couple of years before his actual retirement. He also chainsmokes like crazy. I told my Father straight to the face that his (uncle's) Dog is going to outlive him. Plus he's abusing Xanax since longer than I exist. He's also reaching for sympathy whenever he can, but no one really bites it.

  • @Zkullz69
    @Zkullz69 Před 4 lety

    Echo chill with the pen clicking.

  • @twobraincells4364
    @twobraincells4364 Před 4 lety +2

    It's like, there are real limitations, barring a miraculous intervention, real limitations in the universe BECAUSE the universe is perfect and works a certain way perfectly to itself as it does what it does to our minds....we need to get the people we might be trying to help to understand what the enemy is and define the enemy. It's almost become clique that "Ignorance is the enemy" but it's true...and therefore we cannot be ignorant to certain operating principles about how the universe works and try to gain a player for YOUR team, which is OUR team and is THE team...my door remains open to cooperation up to when it is impossible, because I have done all I can. Silence can also be quite awesome and beautiful. I usually end up discovering that there is a higher operating wisdom trying to ass me out of the picture for good reason. Sometimes it is best to focus on ourselves while leaving the door open to God. Some of us are highly motivated with or without God.

    • @MrSpencerport
      @MrSpencerport Před 4 lety +1

      The universe doesn't usually fail people, the public school system does !

  • @gnarthdarkanen7464
    @gnarthdarkanen7464 Před 4 lety

    It's fairly simple, really... To quote an old friend of mine... "A dead hero doesn't save a god damn thing. He rots like the other corpses all over the damn ground!" ;o)

  • @richardprice9730
    @richardprice9730 Před 4 lety

    Great podcast , yes the ditch analogy of the "man", Upsani and Nis said to really help we have got to go to a place beyond needing help ! I get your point Jocko you mean victim-Persecutor -Rescuer T.A triad , that is addiction to helplessness - victim rather than helpless > vulnerable "real" .
    I think it is the innate fear , being human that induces us not just to build but to build and even luxuriate in our castles , so we build , platforms to make us feel secure and from that place we can be relatively helpful but if theses cave in ?
    It is a very tricky one , we are here in my opinion to use our skills our knowledge to grow as human beings and reach this "enlightenment" self actualized transcendence , but it is said a Bodhisattva refuses the final bliss untill all beings are brought to this point or level of insight ! Jesus died toured and pinned to a Cross( re who is the enemy podcast I watched late last night) , the vicious , hating , envious , brutal ? In us all and seen as the extreme in tyrants .
    But great advice , centering or stability is so important a functioning life and then form this reach out where and when it feels appropriate! Hence, my journey into therapy , analysis and spirituality , I just love your grounded approach very clear and cuts through intellectual over thinking .
    God bless R

  • @raphaelrobert6462
    @raphaelrobert6462 Před 4 lety +2

    Boom

  • @casperlory
    @casperlory Před 4 lety

    "Give a starving person a fish & u feed him 1 meal. Teach him how to fish & u feed him (and hopefully others) for life." Give people the skills they need to survive & prosper with the addition they pay it forward.

  • @alexandergregorov9694
    @alexandergregorov9694 Před 4 lety

    I think you should enable an individuals mind to advance and make progress through life.

  • @KevinPresents
    @KevinPresents Před 3 lety +1

    I have noticed that once you Enable someone being a victim, they tend to always try to be a victim so that they can get your attention, is there anyway to get back to helping them and not enabling them?!

  • @Bling92
    @Bling92 Před 4 lety

    Giving money to homeless is 100% enabling them and reinforcing the same habits, the real help will be to talk to them and give them honest feedback. If they cant handle it then fuck it who cares, u cant keep feeling bad for people like this and thats exactly why people get dragged down too

  • @alexandergregorov9694
    @alexandergregorov9694 Před 4 lety

    An insight jocko should have, being a former soldier.

  • @truenorthaffirmations7049

    Tough topic..well said. .best wishes from another youtuber 🤘🔥🤘🔥

  • @joesullivan3400
    @joesullivan3400 Před 4 lety

    Could someone please show this video to politicians

  • @emily-ij1py
    @emily-ij1py Před 4 lety

    I agree with Jocko about all the people who get a high from “saving” people when in reality they’re being enabling - I think it’s actually quite damaging.

    • @rachaelchavez8766
      @rachaelchavez8766 Před 4 lety

      I used want to be a hero. Then reality taught me the hard lesson of you can't help those who don't want to help themselves.

  • @AdmiralWhackass420
    @AdmiralWhackass420 Před 4 lety

    Righteous

  • @davidramrod7610
    @davidramrod7610 Před 4 lety

    Lacking. no explosions

  • @silascochran9705
    @silascochran9705 Před 4 lety

    I've been on both sides of the coin the five bucks helps but what works better is asking what is it exactly that you need the response will tell you everything👈😁🇺🇸

  • @alexandergregorov9694
    @alexandergregorov9694 Před 4 lety

    More insight.

  • @mlodymlody3067
    @mlodymlody3067 Před 4 lety

    Top men

  • @FoXWoR
    @FoXWoR Před 4 lety +1

    click*click*click
    good times haha
    THX

  • @thomasblachdoglewis7995
    @thomasblachdoglewis7995 Před 4 lety +2

    💙❤🇺🇸💚I'm here, Sir and Sir🇺🇸💙❤Period 🇺🇸💚T.PO🇺🇸🔤💙YHUP!!❤

  • @jeremybrimmer1990
    @jeremybrimmer1990 Před 4 lety

    Some people keep score, some people dont

  • @crazymacedonianboi
    @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

    I help my people and they help me. u do what ya gotta do . I helped my uncle put up a fence and he gives me money and food . I can smoke weed there too . I don’t have a real job right now but I’m still up and about unlike my roommates. they’re playing Fornite and serving people my body supplement products 😂😜. they do it mobile tho . I’m not having a buncha people come over to buy my protein bars . plus I’m gonna grill some lamb racks for us tonight.

  • @NiqueSir
    @NiqueSir Před 4 lety

    Jocko felt good for a few seconds after saying he'd give the homeless 5 bucks, then when homie broke it down, that 5 bucks is useless and probably contributed to just fueling their addiction/problems... Jocko feels bad man at the end..All learning though.

  • @sterlthepearl1000
    @sterlthepearl1000 Před 10 měsíci

    If we don't protect our time and energy, then other people will waste our time and energy.

  • @MrSpencerport
    @MrSpencerport Před 4 lety +1

    The guy at the corner needs more money in rehab then you might ever make in your lifetime !

  • @aa33366
    @aa33366 Před 4 lety

    Echo was making shit up on the fly. I want my $5 from echo

  • @arnavwheeler
    @arnavwheeler Před 4 lety +2

    Second

  • @crazymacedonianboi
    @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

    Macedonian families love each other . we all contribute as a team . that’s survival. lots of American families lost that because life got easier than back in the day . we come from poverty oppression and war . that’s why I get annoyed with “ Mexicans are lazy” yeah right. cleaning toilets at fast food restaurants and roofing houses? that makes no sense.

  • @qdllc
    @qdllc Před 4 lety

    Alms for a former leper....

  • @go4thmultiply349
    @go4thmultiply349 Před 4 lety

    Leave the pen alone..

  • @shempasaurus7639
    @shempasaurus7639 Před 4 lety

    Zoned community beautification/sanitation teams for urban ca$h. Green that is. Possibly amnesty needle boxes. They know where the meth-type stuff comes from too. #OPcleanUP

  • @nkristianschmidt
    @nkristianschmidt Před 4 lety

    show me what you can do, then I help a little, then show me again. But help a man learn to fish.

  • @alexandergregorov9694
    @alexandergregorov9694 Před 4 lety

    Think the guy talking to jocko may have more wisdom.

  • @SeriousKarol
    @SeriousKarol Před 4 lety

    i wanted to grab that pen and throw it

  • @TommyMartinezpt
    @TommyMartinezpt Před 4 lety

    Yhea, wellfare is enabling, people need programs to teach them how to be an active member of society.

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      that takes tax money dude. but I’m all for it. Europe at least the progressive parts like Switzerland started doing that and it’s doing well. that’s why they’re more educated. they don’t have schools with bullet holes and metal detectors in them .

    • @TommyMartinezpt
      @TommyMartinezpt Před 4 lety

      @@crazymacedonianboi Switzerland is really rich because of the oil money and they have very low migrant minorities, it's a mostly white country so not very cosmopolitan

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@TommyMartinezpt no they’re rich because they actually care and oil . unlike here rich people pay their share.

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@TommyMartinezpt my family immigrated here . this country was built by immigrants. u think we’re going to stay in Macedonia or anywhere around there if we can help it? maaan haha no way.

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@TommyMartinezpt schools with metal detectors. guns but horrible primary education. bad combination.

  • @seanl6681
    @seanl6681 Před 4 lety +3

    Ecco can’t read 🤣🤣

    • @RaphaelBrooklyn718
      @RaphaelBrooklyn718 Před 4 lety

      Check out my CZcams videos

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@RaphaelBrooklyn718 check out my big fat kettlebell homie 😜. it’s awesome cause nobody ever guesses I’m that strong. that’s what moving furniture and training among other things has done for me. plus I was born with strong bones. that’s why I’m good at arm wrestling .

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@RaphaelBrooklyn718 but I just upload for fun. deleted most of them but uploading my lamb rack grilling skills tonight. to make people hungry .

    • @RaphaelBrooklyn718
      @RaphaelBrooklyn718 Před 4 lety

      @@crazymacedonianboi kool kid check out my CZcams videos 📹 thanks

    • @crazymacedonianboi
      @crazymacedonianboi Před 4 lety

      @@RaphaelBrooklyn718 I know I’m cool dawg😂😜

  • @wateringthefate3890
    @wateringthefate3890 Před 4 lety

    Why I don't take charity. I don't want charity given to me😤, cause you will not tell me what I can and can not put into my own body.
    For what I spend my Labour's on its for my souls satisfaction not your.
    whats sin to you is sin to you and I should temp you not where you see it as sin!
    All things are mine to use but not all things are good for me!

  • @n1c98
    @n1c98 Před 4 lety

    Where is the heart in the help? Why you're helping someone. Are you doing it for attention or because it is a very selfless fulfilment to see someone helped even if it is on an individualistic setting, and a one time thing to help a homeless man, verses fixing an entire system. Sometimes it's not about the systemic solution because there isn't a systemic solution for homelessness. Sometimes there's not even an individualistic solution. It really is a calling between two people and that moment to do good. The act in itself is a form of healing. The effort and selfless position can help yourself just by carrying out the deed and others around you even if they don't want that help or reject it. When you sow a seed it can be watered and grow. That has purpose, and that is the only doing we have control over in that help.

  • @getafterit2337
    @getafterit2337 Před 4 lety

    Ok echo sometimes you should talk less and listen more!