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What is it like to be cut off from your faith and your family? The Amish: Shunned follows seven people who have chosen to leave their closed and tightly-knit communities for the outside world, knowing they can never return. Each has paid deeply for their decision. Estranged from loved ones, these former Amish find themselves struggling to make their way in modern America.
"When we lose obedience, we lose the church. Amen." What is shunning? 2012's The Amish only touched on the practice, but this follow up documentary explores shunning more deeply, interviewing both current and former Amish people.
Learn more about our documentary, THE AMISH: SHUNNED, including where to watch the full film: www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/amish-shunned/
I had a attraction to the amish life but I think it would get boring, because I'm to worldly of a person I think you have to be born to that lifestyle ...
Wow. these people do it differently than we did. My family left the Amish 7 years ago and we didn't escape by night. Everyone in the community knew we were going to leave. They even came and helped us load the truck (we moved 100 miles--160 km--away).
Why leave?I'm in California and I would love to live peace like the Amish thiers no peace in the real world or aka the outside world from Amish
@@alisadashaforesthillsbriga9175 stop whining
In all my 65+ years of being around the Amish, I have never known them to be abusive or cruel to anyone. They've consistently been humble, non-confrontional, amenable, honest in everything, hard working and willing to help when asked. Over the years, I've developed a great respect for them and genuinely wish them the very best.
All the feel good excuse making but this is a cult and ran exactly like a cult. Just look at how Scientology does the same disconnection policy. Load of bullshit, you're a sad weak excuse of a man.
They do it to amish people not yanks or english as they say but if they dont follow the church rules they are shunned.
you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. And with the Amish, there are a lot of closed doors to hide what goes on. They use fear to control their group/families. They have no problem beating their kids or girls who refuse to marry some random guy. I grew up next to a family that left their group. The woman left in at night with her kids while her husband was at some type of outing overnight. She had to make a plan almost a year ahead of time, so she didn't get caught or there would have been hell to pay. The Amish can be just a mean and cruel as any group of people, they use their religion as an excuse to get away with it
The Amish are not a cult. They try to live by Bible standards and principles. Shunning is intended to make the one who is in opposition to the Bible teachings through their conduct examine their beliefs and repent if they decide to return to their faith. It’s a loving provision, not a punishment. They acknowledge that each of us has a choice. Incidentally, I’m not Amish, and I’ve never met an Amish person. I simply respect their right to worship in the way they believe is the truth.
@@jenn6194 Yes they are a cult. They are living a false gospel in the name of Jesus Christ. Go read the gospels and learn the truth. There is only one church and thats the body of christ and you will clearly see it in the book of acts filled with the glory and power of God
Being shuned by the amish turned out to be a good thing for me as i now am a free man in christ.
Yahushua sent from the Father Yahuwah . . . .... Proverbs 30:4 ?
HalleluYah !
i am Natsarim Acts 24:5 ?
I was also Amish. And my life is better now then it was the whole time I was Amish
John Hershberger
Ya? I was kicked out of a PA Dutch Facebook group. Ich gewollt Deitsch learne. I saw a Facebook thing, something about PA Dutch Cooking and Living. Because I wanted to learn the Mudderschprooch I added and liked it. Then they blocked and deleted me. My relatives who live in Oscht Pennsilfaani said it was because I was not Amish. Ich hab Deitsch Vorgeher un Ich learne Deitsch. I guess the Deitscherei doesn't include me!
So your saying by leaving the Amish,you have more freedom now. You can worship the Lord in your way and not be told how to worship.
I remember seeing the complete documentary many years ago. If i remember that poor girl finely returns to her family and her former life. So sad consequences for the btrue bravery she showed through leaving the way she did. I truely hope life worked out for her
I was raised Amish. I left during my Rumspringa and never went back. My participation in the Viet Nam war had me banished. My family is all gone now .
Do you regret leaving??
Thank you for your service and I am glad you made it home.
Just because someone is blood don't make them family. .you can be adopted and have a family also
Welcome Home.
Sounds like we both played the Nam game. Welcome home, Brother! GBWYou!
Jesus never shunned any one. This is not the teaching of Christ.
@Ken Wilson what chapter in the bible are you basing this on? Curious
1 Corinthians 5:9 In my letter I wrote you to stop keeping company with sexually immoral people, 10 not meaning entirely with the sexually immoral people of this world or the greedy people or extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, you would actually have to get out of the world. 11 But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.”
@@Dachdogoriginal thank you!
@@jennawinkelman8260this seems to be difficult to understand. It seems so harsh. Everyone says God is LOVE. He would never do that. But we must remember something. Yes God is LOVE. But he is a Heavenly Father. He disciplines his children. With a Godly discipline. He has righteous standards. We have free will. We can decide to do what we want. But if we want to be a friend, a child of God, then we have to meet his Godly standards, and we have to do his will, his way. But that is not harsh. It is a protection. He explains his thinking well with a few bible verses. Paul wrote the above because a man in the congregation had a sexual relationship with his father's wife, his step mother. That was a gross sin. God is holy or clean and righteous. And he says we must be holy because he is holy. So if sin is being carried out within the congregation and nothing is done, it becomes an acceptable standard for all. Then we are away from God and his active force, his holy spirit, will not be working within the congregation and they will be disapproved. Sin means missing the mark of God's standards. We carry sin, or imperfection. We fail many times. This is one kind of sin. The other is deliberate sin. Lying, sexual immorality, stealing, murder, doing drugs, etc. That is purposeful. If we remain in that practice and no discipline is taken, the whole congregation begins to practice it or permit it. Which in God's eyes is the same thing. To keep the congregation spiritually clean discipline needs to be administered. That would be, in the true congregation, a measure to readjust by spiritual counseling and aid to recover, then to turn around and sin no more. If one does not repent, but has a rebellious attitude and would continue in this course, they need to be socially removed from the congregation. They could continue to come to meetings for instruction and to try to regain their friendship with God and the Congregation. But NO ONE should speak with them. They are unclean and disapproved. We can move that one to repent. And we want them to recover. We do not want to weaken or block God's discipline by continuing to talk and visit with them. Discipline that is serious should sting and help the spiritually sick one to wake up to where they stand with God. They still would have access to the older men for spiritual help if they had a softened attitude. But it is not to return them right away. In the second letter to the Corinthians Paul said after it had been about a year, to receive the man that was wicked because he had repented and he said he should not be swallowed up my sadness. Once the discipline had worked and evidence was strongly visible, then we want to recieve the brother again and warmly encourage him to continue to be refined. The older men would inform the congregation. So, he had a spiritual TIME OUT. He learned his lesson. All things should be to God's standard. Not traditions of men which some of this documentary showed. But that is not for me to judge. We do not judge someone's salvation, but we must judge those inside about their actions. Sin needs to be removed and corrected. 1 colossians 1:21-23.
2 Thessalonians 1:6 highlights God may make tribulation for those that make tribulation for his righteous people. He is very protective over his true congregation. Hebrews 12:11 "True, no discipline seems for the present to be joyous, but it is painful; yet afterward, it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."
i wondered how a religin that preaches to love one another and to look out for yur neighbur could then shun someone. what ever happened to forgiveness
A blessing in disguise. Easy way to ditch this screwed up society and start living a normal life.
Are there Any stories of Amish shunned who Aren't glad they left? Just curious
Thank you for sharing with Amish women have to go through on a daily basis thank you for this video I am so sorry for those women that have bad experiences I never knew Amish life was like that
Enjoy the propaganda!😆
@@ioodyssey3740 its the truth
While this accurately describes what might happen in some Amish settings when someone leaves, it is far far from the truth for lots of other Amish settings. I , for one, left an Amish church and still have great friendships and connections there. They would not even dream of shunning me. Without question, they are brothers in the Lord and true followers of Jesus. I say this only to be fair to the fact that there is great diversity among those who are considered Amish.
You are so right, Jeriah. I too left my Amish community, and my experience was very similar to yours. I was shunned for only two years, but even then some of the Amish did not observe it. Then even after the two years, my dad sometimes asked me to take him on errands. I got a good education (PhD in Anatomy) and my parents always seemed to be a little proud of me.
@@henrytroyer2372 What was your amish denomination?
are you from a new order background? curious where in the states (im assuming you live in the states) this took place? pennsylvania?
You are also a cousin of my husband...He comes from the Raber clan...His father bequeathed to him the Book of Raber....your family tree :)
What shunned Amish survivors should learn is "what to do" and "how to survive" after being shunned.
When that's your whole life, you don't anticipate being shunned
Love this! You guys do amazing work at American Experience!
God is love people.. Not God of hate.. God is good.. I am glad God judge's me..
Telling someone they aren't supposed to leave makes them a cult.
One of my favorite movies/books is The Shunning by Beverley Lewis . It shows the question about it - but also a part of the love behind it - a tough love.... But Jesus asks us to forgive . There are many ex Amish who live as Mennonites today . There is no shunning . I live in a Free Protestant Church in Germany . We believe in our Lord Jesus Christ and His forgiveness - no shunning .
I was doing some research on the Amish, and was so sad to find out they can be shunned just for not wearing the proper suspenders holding their britches up. It had to be a certain way, or no way.
Since when do they feel they have the authority of Christ I've never understood that about those folks.When I was a young fella I met a amish girl at Moscow IN bridge festival we held hands and walked around a bit.I felt like a big shot I hope she found happiness.Those were the good old days
They get it from this 1 Corinthians 5:11-3 But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves
She was probably on Rumspringa.
The great Apostle Paul spoke of shunning. He said to SHUN a brother in church that was having sex with his step mother. He said don't talk to him, don't eat with him. Shun him that he may come to his senses. A little leaven ruins a whole. Forget OUR opinion on these things , God's word is what matters.
The bible also says to forgive those who have done wrong........
@@michaelahutto6795 when someone continues to live their sinful ways, the word of God says to shun them. Sometimes they are turned over to Satan for the destruction of their flesh, that their soul might be saved
Your great apostle paul was a roman and not a christian. imho
@@goatamongsheep4296 makes no difference gentile, Jew, black, white, in God's kingdom, there is no nationality, race, creed, sex or color. Paul was a follower of Jesus Christ, from the day he met him on that road to Damascus and was blinded. He was blinded that he might see.
No you lose obedience, you loose control!
How you can shun your own child is beyond sickening
Only if they done something wrong. But you still love them.
joaquim Rodriguez -- refusing to join the Amish church is NOT wrong.
Many get shunned for leaving the Amish culture.
Duh.
I think there are worse things people can do than shun their own child.
Evil
If you don’t do it he can bring influences from the outside world into your home
I just love how these Amish leaders say that they are Christians, but they don’t exhibit Christ-Like behaviour. Overall, authentic, genuine, & factual Christianity, teaches us about LOVE, GRACE, & FORGIVENESS. Christ & The Bible teaches us that God does love us all, but He also gave us Free-Will. He does not want to force us to believe in him, but rather requires us to choose to believe & to exhibit FAITH. Faith requires us to believe in something, despite the fact that there may not be any scientific evidence proving things to exist. Faith in Christianity requires believing in God’s Grace, His promises, & trusting & relying on God to always know what is best for us.
One of the BEST & most important point of Christianity, tells us that it is NOT THE PEOPLE who judge our lifestyles, morality, & beliefs. ONLY CHRIST IS CAPABLE OF MAKING JUDGEMENTS OF US - NOT BISHIP, COUNSEL OF ELDERS, MINISTERS, PASTORS, ETC. True Christianity & Christian Leaders support & help us to grow our relationships with God. They help us to make our own decisions, instead of setting rules & giving orders. They also guide us through our lives, helping up to live a Christ-Centred life. The Leaders are always there to help us by making suggestions, & providing us with wisdom & information to help us to make decisions & become better people.
Alternatively, certain Sects & Groups of Christianity such as the Amish, have a hierarchical Society upon which each person has a Place/Niche The people (usually men) at the top, are the ones who are extremely CONTROLLING & JUDGMENTAL. THEY HAVE POWER OVER THE REST OF THE PEOPLE. THEY feel as if they have the POWER to pull families apart, decide how all of the people must dress & behave, to “SHUN” family members, often causing permanent damage to peoples’ mental & physical health, + many more horrific consequences.
I strongly believe that the Amish are a CULT. I am now going to illustrate the main Characteristics of a cult, as stated by a doctor from Harvard who explains below:
“What makes a Cult, A CULT????”
Psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton, who once taught at Harvard Medical School, wrote a paper titled Cult Formation in the early 1980s. He delineated three primary characteristics, which are the most common features shared by destructive cults.
1. A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power. That is a living leader, who has no meaningful accountability and becomes the single most defining element of the group and its source of power and authority.
2. A process [of indoctrination or education is in use that can be seen as] coercive persuasion or thought reform [commonly called "brainwashing"].
The culmination of this process can be seen by members of the group often doing things that are not in their own best interest, but consistently in the best interest of the group and its leader.
Lifton's seminal book Thought Reform and Psychology of Totalism explains this process in considerable detail.
3. Economic, sexual, and other exploitation of group members by the leader and the ruling coterie.
The destructiveness of groups called cults varies by degree, from labour violations, child abuse, medical neglect to, in some extreme and isolated situations, calls for violence or mass suicide.
Some groups that were once seen as "cults" have historically evolved to become generally regarded as religions. Power devolved from a single leader to a broader church government and such groups ceased to be seen as simply personality-driven and defined by a single individual. For example the Seventh-day Adventists, once led by Ellen White, or the Mormons church founded by Joseph Smith.
Some groups may not fit the definition of a cult, but may pose potential risks for participants. Here are 10 warning signs of a potentially unsafe group or leader.
• Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
• No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
• No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget or expenses, such as an independently audited financial statement.
• Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
• There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
• Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
• There are records, books, news articles, or broadcast reports that document the abuses of the group/leader.
• Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
• The group/leader is always right.
• The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
K Town yup. They are a cult. Hard to talk to most of them about God.
They act like they have it all together but they don't.
WRITE YOUR BOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE.........
Just like the Jehovah witnesses. Very controlling and the shunning is enforced causing suicides. Even if you question the doctrine you are kicked out. They use FOG... Fear, obligation and guilt to keep congregants in.
That sounds like a whole lot of worldly false influences that the Amish are trying to stay away from. I admire them that they made it this far without the majority of problems the rest of society has.
I love the Amish they are hard worker I pray for all
Comments are entertaining. 98% are just wrong. Why do you only hear the bad and not the good?? U won't find any divorced amish,they are taught good work ethics,u won't find Amish on welfare or disability. They have a lot more technology than they used to(in some communities,more than your average person ) (which is not necessarily a good thing in my opinion )and are allowed to finish high school at home if they want to. The shunning thing varies from home to home so don't judge all from one.Are they perfect? No,but neither is anyone else. I don't agree with them on everything but over all they are good people. Outstanding in some areas,normal in most areas,have their downfalls in some areas,like everyone else....so don't judge them all by a few.
There is no perfection in life is there ?
I understand this video is old but the problem still continues how can we help? Don't have funding to contribute but have an open home and that open heart for these send people
I grew up Amish in Lancaster Pa.
The sheer ignorance in the comments has me shaking my head in amusement ! It's a good life for most, most of them ARE Christians, I hate animal abuse but have no problem with animals working hard, (BIG difference, but some people think it's the same) that community has many highly intelligent, well mannered people , shunning is scriptural when done according to scripture! and I do not agree with shunning other Christians which is why I am no longer Amish. Take a long hard look at modern society. The Amish are doing something, no, a lot of things, right.
Can I ask u a serious question? What do u guys say about other races & cultures? How can we also be saved by Christ if were not allowed 2 be Amish as well? You have 2 be born into it right? So what do they say about Asian,Blacks & Mexicans & tribal people? How can a religion just save white people?
@@jeanakatherine9369
I guess there may be some who think you have to be Amish to get to heaven, but I was never taught that! I suppose those who do think that would want everyone to join the Amish, not sure how the ones overseas are going to get started. Lol! For me it was simply what I was, and I accepted it as a good way to live according to Jesus's teachings. Now that I'm no longer Amish I still value much of that lifestyle, I just don't agree with all of their rules.
@Rose dowling
Swartzentruber seems like a dark group to me, but I've met only a few. I hope you do get to Lancaster and see as a thriving culture. Not something you must do to be saved.
Before people speak too harshly about the Amish, pay due attention to the broken family structure in America, and the consequences of moral relativism in our society. The Amish family is far more stable.
Bullshit.
My thoughts exactly, Marriage is a joke in our society these days.
The odds that a Marriage will last, are just about to the point where it's not even worth the thought!
women have no more respect for Men, these days they want to be Men. Sure there are exceptions, but it's like buying a grand lottery ticket, and those odds are beyond a high risk.
WestCoastPCbuilder
Unfortunately there is always a good and bad side, and what one agrees with or doesn't agree.
As for Marriage though, in the U.S., it is NOT even worth it for a Man. He can not only be easily dumped, but if he has MONEY, taken to the cleaners. Marriage doesn't last. One side is sure to go, most of the time these days (can anyone guess), yes it is the women who do the walking.
G-d Himself, couldn't keep women happy! So yeah, go figure.
Your freedom or you family is the same for anyone longing for true emancipation from a urban setting, Where I come from is the same as Buy from the chinese, arab and have police cameras and armed men in your community... Live in apartments and crowded streets, wtf! that's not normal! It is not normal ......But people can't smell the dung they live in.
Says a guy who is not born into a Amish religious setting.Unless you lived that kind of life personally your self you know very little about it. Some not all people who leave the church are systematically isolated by church community for years even before they leave the church because they are different or strange.Social isolation can be the worst experience ever.Then when you leave you get demonized to the point that's unbearable. You are told that you are going to burn in hell and they take pleasure in putting guilt on you in any way possible. When you are finally outside the church you have to start building a life for yourself with no GED. or college credentials and a lot of times no money.Most people who leave the church have a hard time picking up on non Amish social skills leaves them with very few options in the workplace.The only work they know is manual labor.
It also hurts to see you're displeased with you.From their perspective they see you as failure.
How can they say there good people then do psychological mental health on someone they say they love
BECAUSE THERE FATHER IS THE FATHER OF LIES. .. GOD SAYS IF YOU GO AGAINST HIM.. HE WILL TURN YOU OVER TO A STRONG DELUSION. BETTER REPENT AND READ YOUR OWN BIBLE. 1 COR 6: 9-10 EPHESIANS 5
WHERE IS YOUR SOUL GOING? STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED.. YOU WILL STAND ALONE ON JUDGMENT DAY AND THE BOOKS WILL BE OPEN ON YOUR ACCOUNT. YOUR NAME WILL BE WRITTEN OR IT WILL BE BLOTTED OUT. THINK ITS NOT STRANGE THAT I HAVE COME TO WARN YOU. TAKE HEED AND CRY OUT TODAY FOR SALVATION.. YOUR NOT PROMISED TOMORROW.
awaken sleepers what are you talking about
First off let me apologize for me previous post it was not my intention to mislead anyone by criticizing or trying to tarnish the Amish community they are good people who lead good lives . I'm not here to make enemies I was trying to make a statement it came out wrong. That's all I am going to comment about the Amish community .
I'm not Amish, but I've given up everything for Jesus. I'm a born-again follower of Jesus. God's Word doesn't dictate what we wear or how we look, but we do need to dress modestly and be ready to lay our lives down for the cause of Christ.
No-one should ever shun another person who is not downright evil, or a bad person who will bring others into disrepute without trying to help them.
Love, and forgiveness can sometimes change another for the better, and ourselves. Who are the people who are acceptable to be giving out rules to obey? Who the damn hell are they? We are all FREE no matter what cretin of a human tries to tell us differently.
People were not made for a solitary existence and we need each other as well as needing our space or own minds. We have to remind people we are born free. We have minds to think with, therefore we are not to be controlled. Informed but NOT controlled.
And let me add to that the words if others without knowing the actual person is Not Enough. Would Anyone like to be judged by what someone else says? No one would.
DonniDeVille
We are not born free.
#theactof1871
This is a slave planet, Donnie.
@@kingofthecatnap5422 But, do we know anything for sure? have we heard this from other humans? As we can be so easily decieved in many ways, we do not know the truth of this planet. We may never know.
DonniDeVille
You know, I have to agree. We're all stuck in this world without the one thing we want the most.
I also left a cult. Jesus Christ is my Hero! He led me out. It took Him years to rewire my twisted mind about Who He is. He truly is my Saviour and God. The Amish are much like Pharisees. Judgmental and religious to the core, like I was till God changed my heart. Jesus is all about forgiveness and relationship.
Shunning is done in love my ass. I"ve been shunned by someone and I'm not Amish and I didn't feel any love emulating from them.
Lester Hall it's called ruff love I have Amish friends who have shunned a son because he is face 15 yrs in prison and Amish don't beleave in spanking there kids but and Amish rules are much more different then English rules but in there eyes the Bible states is what they beleave in and I am not Amish they call me an English person and when a crime is committed besides our court system Amish has to face the Bishop to ask for them to be forgiven
Lisa Wahlstron so what. Amish and no Amish, we all answer to the same God and His Word is clear.
Agreed. Its when someone believes whatever they want but what you think doesn't mean squat to them. The same people have nothing to give back if it's that flimsy. Toxic is as toxic does.
I was also shunned in a church. I moved on and went to another church. Focus on God not the type of church, pastor or denomination. Other Christians are not God. Forgive them but move away and move on.
Shunning is just disconnection. A tactic used by cults to enforce extreme control over members.
Shunning is not limited to the Amish. A friend was shunned by his former politically and religiously "open-minded" friends when he began attending a Mennonite church. They said they needed to show him "tough love" because "he was making a bad decision".
Making any fellow human being invisible is not what any God of any culture, religion, race teaches. That IS NOT LOVE!! God loves all his children no matter what PERIOD. and as someone else commented God never shuns
I'm a shunned mennonite who was brainwashed by my non mennonite mother to shun my father and taught me I was worshipping the devil. It ruined my life and i had to live a life of shame with no family because she thought her way was better. Them after that her family disowned me because I was too much mennonite. I have had no place in this world and now have to rent a house in the city and raise a small garden to keep me busy and I can't even sleep at night anymore. I'm now only just mennonite enough to not fit in with anybody and I'm truly alone
Unbelievable..., 🙏god bless you 💝💝
I don’t blame the ex - Amish for leaving I would too
I would not want to live with such fanatics and the silly way they dress....
Shunning. In Amish families from a very young age you know what is expected of you and if you CHOOSE to break with family traditions there are Consequences !! Our society has rotted to the point that police & judges are forced to hand out Consequences. Simple RESPECT and Gratitude are forgotten It’s very sad where most of the youth are headed without direction
Worst comment award goes to you. If you would just shun your own kids like that then you’re a crappy person
traditions can be bad too. Not following tradition is a right.
It is the worst form of social distancing possible.
They have to hold your family as leverage against you to get you to comply.
That's exactly what the scientologists do too, it's cult behavior.
Correction not punishment, Didnt Jesus say Judge not and Forgive????
1. Cor. 5
he said to go and sin no more.
He also said the ways we judge and forgive will be used back on us...that's chillingly thought-provoking
😂🙄
@@irish327rose5 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 But now I am writing you to stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do you not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves
Theres an incredible amount of amish that get shunned far various reasons. It seems an easy solution for the shunned to just trade amongst themselves their ways would not die infact im not sure they would feel much of a punch from it if they opened up shop and sold their goods and continued to help the shunned as well.
What is missing is that you are not baptized until you are an adult. Part of the vow is to take and administer excommunication and shunning. The 18 articles of faith are VERY clear.on shunning and excommunication. They can always be received back into fellowship upon kneeling confession. The people would love to have them back !
Just like every other high-control group that shuns, eg. Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses. It is all about control. They know full well if shunning was not practiced a large number of the young people would leave
Because they fear losing close relationships with parents and other loved ones they stay. It is emotional blackmail.
Of course they want them back.That's the whole idea of shunning!! The only way connect with friends and family is to come back.
Kay, those groups are not all equal by far.
Joe Moore; It seems as though you are trying to assure those who comment that those who are baptized in the Amish Faith are given the choice to be baptized or not to be baptized and are well aware and in full agreement of the consequences before making that vow. What is missing from your statement is the STRONG pressure to join the church and accept the articles of faith which are the rules. And as long as nothing unusual comes up it may be completely possible to live this lifestyle. They have a very good support network as long as you comply. But if you don’t, or decide you can’t live that way any longer it is almost unbearable to live and few who are baptized young have ever really anticipated what it really could be like,
@@goodgirlkay well said. Emotional blackmail.
Rules, rules, rules. God's commandment is all we need and everything will flow from that.... that you love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34). No rules - that was the law of the old testament. Christ fulfilled them and they are done away with!
So you took the time to register one thought in your mind..(no rules) and then proceeded to put that thought in the replies along with the adult replies? How silly! With your eutopia of "no rules" you just plunged the entire human race into chaos. This certainly is not what Jesus Christ had in ming. Burn whatever garbage your version of the bible is and seek a genuine conversion before you make another fool of yourself!!
I remember this show. I saw this a long time ago.
Living in the past in this age is their choice. Living in the present day is my choice. That does not mean that we we are any different from one and another. The Amish way of life can seem to the outsiders harsh. Our way of life can seem to the Amish as immoral. If we show more respect from one and another then we can live side by side in harmony,
Shunning their children over BS is not worthy of respect. This is nothing but a cult.
Fun fact : Amish don't want have neighbor of non-Amish.
@@Eza_yuta Of course not, they're a freaking cult.
@@BlazeDuskdreamer Let alone have "harmony" to other people. 😂
your stupid-phone , designer purse, and fast food have nothing to do with present daye, zoolander!
Jesus also said don’t judge the speck in your brothers eye when you have a log in your own eye. That’s what we are doing when we sit on our high horses talking down on the Amish like we have the key to moral fortitude when in reality we are worse in every way.
Your absolutely right
I like that…."shunning is New Testament; stoning is Old Testament"....and it's horrific and unfair and cruel....cannot be made to look right.
No comparison. What nonsense.
Shunning is done by several “religions “ but at least the Amish do not turn their back when someone is in need.
Do they turn their back on the ones in need if they've already been shunned? And isn't that the whole point, that family is inherently needed as a base? In time if needing help, is the shunning suspended?
Shunning is done by many people whether it is based on racism or lack of money or looks. There are numerous reasons.
This just looks very scary
why?
Shunning is to bring them back to the church
So peaceful ...
I'd like to point out that shunning does not just happen among religious sects, but in everyday life as well. It can be used in different ways, but primarily as a form of bullying - or what some call "silent bullying." And much of it happens in schools. It is NOT OK, and I am shocked that when I put in "shunning" in basic CZcams search, NOTHING came up about any shunning other than "secondary" shunning, like between religious sects, etc. This real life occurrence effects many people, and I hope more light will be shed on this in the future.
All other religions shun. All communities, all neighborhoods shun. They just don’t call it that. Some never forgive. Nor forget. “
Except that leaving did not always mean being shunned. My father in law (a Miller from Goshen Indiana) left when he was in his teens and was never shunned. He became a trucker and was always welcomed by his Amish kin. His brother joined the Army in WWII and was never shunned. My husband still has contact with his Amish cousins and they come out to visit us once every few years here in Wyoming. The stereotype placed on these people is unfair and uncouth, and literally not all fact.
How do you balance traditions without emphasizing too much on legalism instead of true faith in God?
They still make personal exceptions to modern convince when it suits their ways of life.
If Mr.Bill Gates was raised in a Amish family would ever get the chance to give us Windows? No. It was because he had freedom that led him to give us such development. It is Love and Freedom that makes the world go round.
Ok let the amish be free to forgo freedom
Imagine the peace if the whole world shined like the AMISH. World peace.......🙂❤️
That’s cute. Do you also believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus? Because if you believe that the Amish live in some kind of perfect utopia, then I think you believe in many more fairy tales and lies. So tell us another fairy tale.
Go watch the news and numerous movies. They are about violence sensationalism bs hype and money.
@@carolynetter8046 gotta love stereotyping and brainwashing programming
WWJD? That's the question! It's not Biblical~
Spells - CULT!
Jesus christ never shunned anyone that came to and repented of there sin's he loves you and me more than words can say so he took action and showed his love for the world on the cross and got up the third day with the keys of death Hell and the Grave and was seen of them 40 days he tall them to tarry in Jerusalem till they be endued with power from on hight which is the Holy Ghost
people if you need a friend that will go with you untill the end call on Jesus repent of your sin's turn from them in Jesus name
I wish everyday that could go join the Amish they are the most lovely people they treat you more better than own will with out no question I join them
I always wanted 2 be Amish, esp wen I was lite but I knew I couldn't because I was black...how can Christ only love those people & not the rest of us?
@@jeanakatherine9369 Read the history of the Amish and you will understand why they stay to themselves. I am not sure if their ancestors were ever slaves but that would not surprise me either as there are white people besides the Jewish who were owned as slaves.
Like any commitment to religion it has it's benefits and it's traditional downfalls.
I do think the Amish have a very nice life style and believe that most americans
wish that life was as non complicated. But You can only live in the past for so
long until you realize that hey, life can be better with some modern amenities.
It will change someday, it always does and the old ways are gone forever.
Sell your soul to modern amenities and your neighbours go from nice helpful white people of the 50's to a group of refugees from third world countries competing for your job. There is a reason they don't modernize and I don't blame them one bit. America is going to collapse. It's a very polarized society right now and its just getting worse. The Amish at least have their own community to rely on when the dog dirt hits the fan.
If you don't like things do something different.
absolutely ludacris that a mother and father would choose not to stand with there kids when shunned
The best thing to do about the Amish is just leave them alone, just like any other church.
Hey this is not acceptable. The world has changed a lot since medival age. They must chamge too. They dont realize yet but we are doing good to them by changing their habbits.
They have frigging puppy mills. I would like to do more than shun them.
Everyone leaves the Catholics alone and the Catholics have dog fights such as pit bull fights and chicken fights in their gambling. Oh wait but it is never about the Catholics is it. Lol.
@@emredalgic so said the whites about Natives and Africans....and yet the fight to liberate them and to demand their "comeupence" is all that's talked about these days. Take your "progressivism " and shove it...they don't need it or you
Amish are very weird for them to treat there own people like tells me they don't deserve respect
Weird? Maybe. But do they go around robbing and assaulting people? I think I would feel quite safe living near an Amish community. So would you rather live next to an Amish community, or live in Detroit, Harlem, East St Lewis, LA, Oakland? Why can't you bullies just leave these people alone? BTW I am a dark Mexican Catholic.
Judging people for being human is plain cruel and certainly not in line with the teachings of Christ. There has never been and never will be a person capable of fairly judging another person on this earth. That's God's job, not ours. I think the Amish have many good things in their lifestyle, but some of their practices are just not right.
Debra Brown -- many have cheated us.
You’ve just given a lecture on judgment then concluded by judging - does that make you a hypocrite or have you not thought your argument through properly?
Is this the alternate ending to Kingpin?
Being amish can teach discipline in a world without discipline. Their needs too be rules.Look at the english youth for example.They hate authority.The parents are out of control , their kids are out of control.Where their is no love , you have chaos.
Excactly, they atleast have their own people and their own culture.
Not all Youth are out of control. There are parents who still discipline their kids.
@@covenawhite4855 Not true anymore. old post lol
the amish use the shunning for power not punishment
the amish are a superior people . morally , spiritually , and physically . they are too humble to say so , but its the truth .
weitzfc1 idiot.
They try their best .But there is no perfection in life.
@@ritaseymour8116 maybe it's because your not capable to rising to their level .
Shunning IS evil, mean, and harsh. It's a form of control!
I live around amish shunning is not as often as it used to be.. I always ask them who did jesus shun? No one...
What did Jesus say to the prostitute? Why did he say it?
@@jeg5438 go and sin no more is what he told Magdalene.
It's unchristian like to shun a person, like they do..
you're going to be very sad, when you die, and jesus shuns you..help your brother up.no matter what.! forgive and the heavenly father will forgive you..jesus taught none of this. man can't make up his own rules as he goes along. just plain hurting people more than helping them. sad
The Amish are a very unique people who seem to be impervious to change with the modern day technological advances. In a way they are like the people who time forgot.
Evil never got modern though there is no new age all is old age
Some how the media will find a way to blame Trump.
Some how, someone will fault the media and make Trump a scapegoat. Bless his lil heart....
I blame Trump for everything. I'm game to be your villan 😈
I blame the media for not digging deep enough. Temps a fool and the spawn of Satan.
What does Trump have 2 do with this? I came 2 watch a documentary not a political show..geez
That's fine, just let them. Only ensuring a reelection come 2020.
Shunning is a form of mind control. Do it my way or suffer isolation. Nothing loving or Christian about that. Sad.
Sad, when most people leave the Amish lifestyle. They go to the world(drugs etc). Too bad, they don't go to a Christian plain church...
T. Ruth T-- churches are full of hypocrites. Not one church goer tries his best to love his neighbor as himself -- hypocrites !
T. Ruth T - it would help you to learn to punctuate correctly.
I’ve experienced this. It’s horrible
why is it so quiet?
jb100 A better question would be, why is it so loud? Humans lived like this for thousands of years before the 20th and 21st century!
I pray for you Anna in the name of Jesus Christ. Dear Heavenly Father please guide Anna in her journies,watch over her and keep her safe in your arms. Guide our sister Anna in finding her true path. Lord please also guide Anna's family so that they may also find compassion and acceptance in their hearts. Lord thank you for our lives and for each breath that we take. In the name ofJesus Christ, Amen
Right ... Shun ... because that's what Jesus would do, right? Jesus gave one primary rule ... "Love one another" ... to the best of my knowledge (in that I was not there to actually hear Him with my own ears ....) He never spoke of 'shunning' anyone ...
Dont be stupid, amish people have a DIFFERENT religion if you havent noticed. Yes they believe in Jesus but their jesus is different from yours. Before you judge a religion make sure you understand it to begin with.
+jggcali818 yes Jesus warned to watch out for jesus. the church today worships jesus.
He did speak of shunning, you idiot. Read Luke 14:26, 1 Corinthians 5, etc. The Bible is explicit: disown and shun family members that do not conform to God's standard.
Monica Felan the church today worships the anti Christ not the real Jesus. The real Jesus is a commandment keeping Israelite. who kept the Sabbath and the biblical feast days.
Don't be stupid, they believe in the same Jesus Beverly mentioned.
Many, many of today's societal problems stem from a lack of shunning!
My dream would be an ex Amish girl. I love the way they are raised and I respect them dearly. I'd sneek her back home occasionally to see her family.
Henryb i am ex amish and i never want to see that family ever again
Henry B Sneak one letter e not two
I am ex amish
Henry B sadly sneaking her back would be Avery traumatic experience for her and she wouldn’t be at all welcome and that would only serve to traumatize her all over again. While many men fantasize that a bride from an Amish background would be a Grand prize ( virgin, submissive, pure in heart and last but not least most certainly a wonderful cook, they do not realize what baggage and trauma “ ex Amish” carry. They are shunned and excommunicated forbidden to see their family. You would not want to have that material for a life partner. You would likely never be able to resolve it for them.
@@caseycarlson2912 Hey I'm seeing this 5 months late. Sorry about your family troubles.... you're a good bunch of people tho.
Keep yr obedience
Shunning is wrong ! No matter how you spin it ! It hurts ! These people need to move into this century.
Anyone, no matter who, when you become a follower of Christ, you will be persecuted, just look at Jesus, all religions know this, also, God disciplines those he loves not to be mean but to bring you back into the fold. Shunning has its basis in this practice
Where can I meet a shunned Amish girl? We can start our own Amish lifestyle.
Live in an Amish paradise? Try PA, we have a ton of em in Indiana. We have an Amish market, shipshawana. They often do lots of drugs, sex alcohol when they leave. They're lost without their community.
So in other words, they become like normal American girls? Plenty of those to avoid as it is.
Other 'Amish' sites have 'on camera' stories. Why not you guys?
"When we lose obedience, we lose the church." - This is also how Jehovah's Witnesses operate. They also use shunning as a weapon.
One thing I am terrified of?
Religion
shunning is a protection.
it is a gift. it keeps the air fresh from their poison.
i am glad of it!
They translate the Bible to suit their cult Or religion whatever you wanna call it
All churches do it. .pick one thing of the Bible and run with it. .
To be shunned by your community for questioning their beliefs shows how closed-minded the Amish church is!
Statute of Religious Freedom
It’s their right and freedom
Even the Lord said, "go thy way and sin no more", evidencing forgiving 70 x 7. Shunning is based upon judgement, therefore pride. Most Christian religions practice it, but don't acknowledge it. It has no charity affixed, but pride by the sinners is so in Christ like!
With out cruelness there would be no kindness we have to respect each others culture life opinions and accept and go our own way and we'll find ourselves. LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING.
Is there a way to try and see how they live try to live like one amish for 3 weeks
Yes. I am ex Amish and I can help you if you want
Do you want me to help you?
Even the Anglo-Americans have used shunning to an extent against family members who were sent to prison or made some really poor moral choices but that was decades ago!
Cancel culture is alive and well in today's families. Don't fool yourself!
Shunned is done in different ways.
I've been driving Amish in Stockton Missouri area for three years I'm English but I had to Shunned a man of my Amish group When I see him I turn my head or turn my back on him when he is talked about I say nothing I know it's not the same but for me it is I don't drive him.
The Amish are hypocrites. Their rules don't allow them to drive cars but they will ride in cars driven by someone outside their religion. They don't connect their houses to the electrical grid but they work in jobs that require the use of power tools. I would never drive one of them anywhere.
@@zone4garlicfarm I enjoyed it with most you got to travel to other States. They would rent you a motel room if they stayed over night somewhere. For myself when they visited family I wanted to stay in their homes and mill about.
Yes your right to a point on what you said, they don't drive because they can't get behind a wheel of any kind but they can tell you what's wrong with your auto (more if your a man) for power tools because in my area a lot of the young men have their own building businesses they can use electricity tools if a none Amish is with them. That's why they like none Amish men with heavy pickups they get paid good.
They read German Luther Bible but only the New Testament so I will give them verses out of the old to match up with the new. I'm Independent Baptist (I don't go at them but I will tell them Christ is my Savior.
Now they believe in turning the cheek their more for their Amish.
They do marry second cousins, the kids do whatever for their parents till their 21 years old or till they marry at the age of 18 years old if they want then they stop helping the parents and live and pay their way as a couple. They believe in children from the start rule of thumb mostly is the babies are ready to get off breast milk their at again. But I have seen earlier.
The man is in control but he can be shun depending on on different things.
I hope this clears some stuff.