Troy puts himself out there to assist any hunter that is trying to get a higher foc with an adult arrow. I started an email conversation with him as I began my journey into tuning my first compound bow and he was very helpful. When we ran into an issue that he was unsure of, he got the wizard involved. Super thankful for the information and guidance that Troy and the wizard provided. Forever grateful!
I started bow hunting in 1970. In those days we used "black diamonds" and Bear Razor heads. Then I went to a 3 blade fixed broad head in the late 70's. I used Thunderhead 125's for well over 20 years and just about 5 years ago I begrudgingly tried expanding mechanical heads. I have taken several deer with them and they do work. But this video hit me between the eyes. The physics and the logic is inescapable. Time for me to "re-rig". I am switching to cut on contact fixed blades. Thanks!
Troy is the reason why I changed my setup and the reason for my success this year!! I live in Southeast Missouri and the last couple of years have wanted to take a wild hog... I shot 7 in the last few seasons without a recovery and found myself looking into why my arrows were not doin the job. Found the Fairy and BAM!!! 💥💥💥 Took my first big sow this year!!! I had graduated to an adult bowhunter 🤟 He actually took the time to talk to me, give me his advice, and guide me to my goal! Troy is an AWESOME down to earth guy!
The first ever THP guest I’ve had to cut the video short. I’ve shot under 450gr at 65# for the last 10 years and have yet to have any issue recovering a deer and say 95% are pass throughs. He’s definitely a promoter
He does have an interesting personality but he’s not promoting any products. In fact he’s made it a point not to in his pursuit of objective testing. He used to shoot light setups and killed plenty of stuff with them. So did we. However we ran into a few issues with deflections so decided to make the switch. In our situation it made sense.
This is awesome. As a traditional archer, I have been very focused on big heavy arrows, hefty heads, and prefer single bevel heads. I am happy to see modern archers understanding the Ashby studies, and moving in that direction...making arrows as sharp as a samuri sword, with power of a freight train, and no moving parts. Keep in mind bevel must match the feather spin. Current setup: 65# longbow, 750g total weight wood arrows with 200g Grizzly single bevel heads.
Guys, I have to thank you for starting me on the path of changing my entire arrow setup. I haven't taken a deer with them yet, but just target shooting and tuning was an amazing difference. The bow is quieter, the penetration is unreal, I'm more confident in my shots and my groups are tighter. Thank you guys for everything, it's so much fun to shoot!
Great video!!! Switched my setup 2 years ago after shooting "flappers" and hit my target buck in the shoulder. Since then, I'm shooting 550 grains with Magnus black hornets and the results have been amazing. Cuts through them like butter and the deer act like nothing hit them till they fall over a few seconds later. Don't think I've had an animal go more than 50 yards.
Just ran across this. I hunt with gun and bow. I’m an old man. I read ELMER KEITH years ago. His mantra was BIGGER IS BETTER. Made sense to me. I hunted everything with a 338, sometimes 375. NO PROBLEM with anything. With a bow, I would certainly agree, heavier, or, bigger IS better. Just saying, it WORKS FOR ME. Thanks guys. 👍👍😃 P S, I’m using Iron Will single bevel. 👍👍
I am mot usually literal , but I am compelled to write this to you all . I want to say that I anticipate your U Tube channel every day You are my go to channel. Like I did as a youngster every Sunday ( no cable ,rabbit ears) Disney and Mutual of Omaha wild kingdom,these are a few of the shows I really looked forward to and got excited and now I get this excitement from the anticipation of a new episode . You all seem to be average guys that a compassion and respect for animals and hunting . So I’ll have to wait for , with anticipation, for your next episode. What I’m trying to say is , THE HUNTING PUBLIC is my favorite hunting UTUBE channel . Keep up quality and humor!
The Ranch Fairy is awesome, he took the time to help me with my arrow setup after failures with what the big box store gave me. I finally got my first recovery this past season. DRT!
I've been waiting for this podcast and video to happen. Been watching ranch fairy and made adjustments accordingly for this past archery season. Love his stuff, and love THP's stuff. Can't wait for more
Great and informative video. I’ve been at it long enough to be able to say, I’ve tried and used everything from Fred Bear 2 blades right thru to 3 blade mechanicals. Anything with a chisel point requires 30 pounds + pressure to perforate one layer of hide whereas the cut on impact variety is closer to 3-5 pounds pressure allowing the arrow to conserve enough energy to push the arrow thru the cavity and then another layer of hide. At the end of the day shot placement and distance of shot reign supreme. The fact that you’re educating the viewer with these videos is super helpful but don’t stop preaching about making the decision to ONLY take ethical shots at ethical distances.
Uh, yeah… 😐 it's funny, coming from shooting bows that need arrows >8gpp and typically perform best when using 10gpp, 32inch barreled or tapered arrows with traditional broadheads, because everything he's saying and you guys are discovering are simply old news to us. Not to say I don't appreciate the hard work, glad to have you guys back into the archery brotherhood. Next they'll "discover" that shooting off the left-hand side of the bow and using an olympic draw are biomechanically inefficient 😅
Good discussion guys. I went back to my old 2219 telephone poles. My bow shoots a lot quieter. The arrow uses more of the bow’s energy with heavy arrows. The discussion on weight forward of center was spot on but a big point you missed was getting the broadhead lined up with the shaft. And how important it is to use field points the same weight as your broadheads. Broadheads normally don’t fly exactly like field points but well tuned heads are close. And the difference should not be the enough to cause a miss or poor hit on a deer. A squirrel’s head is another story but that is what the judo point is for in my quiver.
I've been watching THP since last spring's turkey season. This past fall was my first year to bow hunt whitetail with the encouragement (unbeknownst to you all) of Aaron and all you guys. I'm trying to learn all I can about bow hunting and am discovering that the more I learn...the less I know. Keep up the great videos.
This is why I love watching ya'lls videos always learning something, you guys are the best, thanks for all the time and effort y'all put into making such great video's.
Coming from the trad archery world, I've known this for a long, long time....hopefully your viewers will not only listen to this, but test it out and see the benefits for themselves...well done!!
That's a hell of a team right there, boy! THP with THE Ranch Fairy is awesome! I started snorting the fairy dust two seasons ago and will never not have a quiver full of fixed heads and "heavy" arrows again.
I've been bow hunting since 1972 (yes I'm old) and I haven't experienced the penetration issues these guys have with my setup. I shoot a 70lb PSE Evo with a 378 grain arrow at 315 fps shooting swacker broadheads. I'm fortunate and get to shoot a lot of whitetails and I've shot through all of them but one. I shot a 13 point in the shoulder and broke both front shoulders. I had to break the arrow to remove the heart when field dressing. I haven't shot hogs though so can't comment on bow hunting those. You have to find a balance with the size of broadhead you shoot with the KE you are getting with your setup. I use what works for me but If you need more penetration I would follow these guys recommendations and shoot a heavier arrow and a fixed head like they suggest. It would definitely help.
i'm older...been hunting since 65...the wooden Ben Person arrows i still have weigh 505 grains...if you're that old the aluminum arrows you were shooting were around 550/575 with fixed....heavy forever.
It does blow my mind when you see these hunting shows on TV and some guy gets a shot a bruiser at 20 yards and the fletching doesn't even enter the body cavity let alone get a complete pass through. I made the switch 4 years ago. Went from shooting a 420 grain arrow with a mechanical to a 525 with a single bevel fixed and the results are outstanding. Great info in this video! Wish the CZcams algorithm would have got this to me sooner.
Honestly after this video I’m changing my whole setup for next year! I’m convinced. Love the videos guys. Thanks for always striving to make everyone better!
Keywords to search: Ethics archery, FOC, Dynamic spine, Dr. Ed Ashby, Sirius Archery, single bevel broadheads, scapula, low profile vanes, and quit fearing bone. @ranchfairy if everyone got to 550 for whitetail they'd almost always make 2 holes instead of 1.
@@wyatth9555 don't think about shaft weight. Think about 1) what broadhead do I want to shoot. 2) do I want more FOC added with help of a weighted insert. 3) now that I know how much insert & BH weigh what spine shaft do I need for the proper dynamic spine. ..... answer yourself those 3 questions in that order and you will be well within the rabbit hole. Any attempt to go out of order will be counter productive.
I've shot a buck 2 years ago with a 450 grains arrow set up, hit im a little bit high with a 2inches rage chizzel point and didint have blood trail!!! I found him by luck with 5 inches of broken arrow penetration and it barely touch 1 lung!!!! I said to my self , nerver again!!! My set up is now 250 grains Abowyer brown bear tanto tip single bevel, 50 grains outserts and 340 grains arrow!!! I've sacrifice speed for quiteness and penetration. Thank you THP and Ranch Fairy for all this knowledge shared to us!!!!
As a former Marine I don’t get excited too often; however, Ranch Fairy gets me going. I would love to meet you! Your in depth knowledge is truly amazing. Love your channel. Keep at it
Lol, should hear story after story of those hunter's that my dog and I tracked their wounded deer. I can't even remember how many this past season alone were using mechanical blade's, yet somehow they make you feel like your tracking dog is the answer to finding their wounded deer and that deer has to be laying dead somewhere based on where they hit the deer. Most of the Ranch Fairy's information is old new's to some of my generation of hunter's in the know and myself, but needs to learned and understood by the next generation's of hunter's. It's refreshing to see such hunters as the Ranch Fairy, a dedicated organization and his mentor that continue to educate hunters who struggle with their decisions on what size and weight arrows and type blades one needs to be more successful, not to mention as ethical of a killing machine we all can be out hunting our quarry. I would like to see more information being taught on crossbow bolt's in regards since so many hunters are using them.
Shot easten FMJ 340 with 100 grain G5 deadmeat for the past 2 seasons overall arrow weight is 450 grains. Shooting them with a 70 lb 28 in draw Mathews Chill. Have shot 4 deer with this set up, all of them square in the shoulder (2 where mature bucks btw) all passed completely through and all the deer ran around 30 yds give or take. All that said mechanical broadheads are not all created equal there are good ones and terrible ones, but if you get good ones they can be as deadly or deadlier than fixed blade broadheads, and they fly like field points. Also you can shoot a medium weight arrow flatten your trajectory and still have penetration and punch to spare.
Emailed back and forth with Troy and he was extremely helpful and to the point. Good info here folks. Glad the hunting public is doing what they are doing.
Fantastic! I’ve been communicating with Troy for a few months working on my setup. You guys are doing great stuff and headed in the right direction! Keep up the good work THP!
We've only been using single bevel arrow/broadheads for thousands of years that were probably alot heavier and way slower and the evolution got us here.
Thanks for always teaching, As a journeymen archery hunter this video explained so much to me on arrow balances and why I question expandables when other friends swear by them. Time to watch some Ranch Fairy.
Hearing y’all take about this really has me wanting to switch up my arrow and broadhead setup. I’m all for doing what works best. Keep up the great work men. And can’t wait to talk some hunting with y’all next week at the NWTF show.
Very interesting video for sure! Shot placement triumphs arrow set up for me and my experience for whitetail. Call me old school but I wait for a broadside or quartering away shot.
Wild Boar Adventures my brother has been telling celebs and famous archers to throw out the mechanicals and put on fixed blades that can penetrate the over one inch thick cartilage plate on the trophy boars. Thank you for sharing this important info.
I prefer heavy arrow, expandable head set up myself, more forgiveness as far as hit location, turning what would be a liver hit to liver and a clipped lung makes ALL the difference to me. You do give up the quartering too shot, but I’m not sure I’d take that anyway. Never sacrificed on penetration either
Real interested to see what kind of THP affect will happen for Ranch Fairy's channel. Glad you all are teaming up with him so this stuff is more well known!
I discovered Ranch Fairy from one of the comments in a Hunting Public video about 6 months ago and have been hooked ever since. This was a most excellent discussion. I'd love to see Troy mess around with crossbows too.
Depends what you're hunting. I hunt whitetail and don't experience those issues with roughly 500 grains. I've always went one size heavier than charts show and shoot 100 grain head. Most underspine with mechanicals and that is the issue in itself. For whitetail you don't need 650 grains.
Great video! Seems like you guys and Troy get along great! We need more content like this! Maybe you all can sling some adult arrows at some pigs somewhere with the Fairy?
What a very truthful and perfectly timed video. I have been wanting to do this for years but have stuck with a “lighter set up” for western game. With a 31” draw I was hunting western game with a 465 grain set up cruising at 310-315 FPS making massive holes until I hit the scapula and only had 4 inches of penetration. This year I am building a 600+ set up or heavier. Thank you for the informative video.
The Bows bible. 10grains of arrow weight for every pound of bow weight. You have done a great honor for our sport. There is also a great sense of accomplishment in sharpening one's own broadheads. Thank you Ranch Fairy and thank you THO . NO Regrets
I like this guy, he’s No bullshit and isn’t afraid to crush all the money driven theories out there these days. The mechanical broadhead and speed fads are something Ill never understand. Happy to see you guys are promoting heavy fixed heads
I started looking for information on generally heavier arrow setups with higher FOC following the close of deer season. I think I heard about Ranch Fairy on a THP podcast. I watched a number of Troy's videos and corresponded with him by email. He is enthusiastic, accessible, responsive and helpful. I purchased a test kit of heavy field points and I picked up a couple of stiffer spined arrows. I will be doing some testing/tuning soon, and selecting the arrow & head weight combinations that I like. I am looking forward to using a heavier setup next season. Thanks for doing the video.
One of your best informational videos yet, I shot a mature buck here in Michigan last year with a "rage" and it did exactly what you were talking about perfect in the pocket placement and it turned back and came out at the opposite side rear hip. was lucky enough to sneak up on it and put another arrow in it, but since then have had two separate instances with mechanicals not killing the game in a efficient manor. I am defiantly switching to heavier arrows and single bevel broadhead's for next season!! Thanks for the information and for turning me onto the ranch fairy....
Same! I'm a proud shooter of a skeet load twizzler tipped with a flapper! Call it what you want but it consistently kills deer as quickly as anything shown or discussed in that video. The difference is, I don't feel the need to make jokes about why I think their style is overkill. It doesn't matter to me if I'm the only person on the planet shooting a setup comparable to mine because the eye test has proven it to be highly effective for years now.
Shane, maybe you could jump in on the fun? Your stats on recovery rates could help THP and the Fairy with their message! A collaboration of all three channels could be awesome!
Incredibly interesting discussion!! Last year my daughter shot a nice 8-point buck with her .243. When field dressing it and splitting the pelvis, I grabbed what I thought was a very smooth bone or a stick (couldn't figure out why a bone or stick would be right there) only to quickly realize it was the broadhead end (about 11") of an arrow. So, shot selection/placement IS quite critical and obviously was not a consideration when this buck was previously shot.
Great podcast guys, I’ve been following ranch ferry for a few years now and we’ve chatted back-and-forth a handful of times, love that you guys are following suit and going to spread the word
i can see a case for both single bevel and expandable. No doubt you will get more penetration with the single bevel/heavy arrow but if Zach shot that big buck along the river with a mechanical, it would have been dead in seconds due to the large cutting diameter, he would have got either the spine or top of lungs. I personally shoot both. Expandables for deer, and fixed for elk. Have killed plenty with both. Its all about shot placement.
Oakave84 very true. Our mind changed when we got the data from the dog trackers. Most of them concur that pass through hits yielded more recoveries than hits where the arrow stayed in the deer. Regardless of broadhead you choose, a pass through should be the goal after discussing this with them.
Glad to see you guys working together. Been following both channels and both have outstanding content. Adult arrow building is in the works. Have messaged Troy a couple of times and gotten prompt friendly advice
I’m switching to at least 500 grain. I’ve been shooting the typical 400gr shaft 100gr mechanical and I’ve been hero or zero like y’all say over many years. I’ve had rib deflection, no shoulder pass through at 20 yards and on hogs forget it. They run of with my shaft and broadhead. Great video!!
Switched to a longbow from a compound a year ago. Used to shoot a twizzlers with a flapper. I wanted something bullet proof for the 56#im drawing now. Stumbled upon the Ashbey reports and then found grizzlystiks. Ran a 650gr arrow with 200gr SB up at around 27% FOC. They fly like darts and the most important thing in my opinion, is that the bow is whisper quiet. The heavy the arrow the more the quieter the release.
Y’all helped a lot of people become more ethical hunters if they use the knowledge y’all are puttin out! I’m a read guy and shoot heavy cedar shafts! Keep it up!
Impressive stuff. Been bow hunting whitetails since the 60's as a teenager . Back then we used the Fred Bear heads and wood then aluminum shafts. Always wondered about the lite, carbon, but was chasing speed with compounds. Have used mechanical a few times but always came back to fixed. Thanks for bringing this back into focus. Really resonated with me. Going to change my setup.
Mechanicals 100% have major deflection problems. I’ve had great success with the spitfire 3 blade mechanicals, but I’ve been incredibly lucky with good deflections. I keep telling myself I need to switch to fixed blades before it costs me a deer. It’s hard to switch from a broadhead that has worked for me & always has field point accuracy. Not to mention broadheads are too expensive to just start testing multiple brands. I’ve also had a lot of complete pass throughs. The majority of deer I’ve shot have had no idea what hit them, but I credit most of that on having a very quiet bow, not my arrow setup. I shoot a 475g arrow. I’d love to shoot a heavier arrow, but I’m not sacrificing the ability to shoot long range (50+)
He said he hunts 200 pound hogs. One needs a very heavy arrow for that. Whitetail are thin skinned. You don't need such a heavy arrow. It's better to have a little more forgiveness in range estimation by having a little more speed! I TOTALLY agree with the comments about mechs. vs COC. I've been a Magnus fan for years! Guys, figure your Kinetic energy by using a search for KE calculator and plus in the two variables weight X Speed. You'll need to weigh your finished arrow and chrono your speed. One only needs about 40 lbs KE to pass through deer. At 270 fps and 424 grains I've got 68 lbs KE. AND NOBODY SHOULD BE SHOOTING WHITETAILS IN THE BONES (especially the shoulder) on purpose!
I hunted in my teens and got away from it and really decided to get back into it this year. Bought a bow and took it to a shop to get built and tuned. Of course they hooked me up with a 410 grain total weight arrow. Been watching a lot of videos on CZcams and realize I should be shooting a much heavier arrow and at least a fixed blade head. Its to late this year to make the switch but I am for sure going to next year I just hope I don't regret not just jumping in and doing it this year. Season starts here in A few weeks. Using rocket steelhead 100 grain. Hope I dont have any more issues. Already had my blades coming open in Flight when Practicing and sent my arrows 6-8 inches left just before impact. They don't make the steelheads any more so the unopened pack I bought off eBay was new old stock from A shop. Probably 3 or 4 years old so my guess is the rubber bands must have eroded in that time and I could feel and feel that they didn't keep the blades super tight but just assumed it would be fine and that that's how they where desighned to be. I guess not. Tried some different rubber bands and no problems. I love hunting but hate to see or think that something is suffering. With these heavy arrows and coc heads it seems and looks like it zips right threw them and that they don't even feel a thing so it seems like Its the way to go
@@russelllangworthy8855 well it depends what weight arrows and set up you are looking at KE fluctuates. momentum has more of an impact on penetration than KE. But KE is usually a higher number and looks better to the public thats the reason archery companies use it to sell product. KE is the energy an arrow stores while in flight, Momentum is the abilty to maintain that energy when the object meets a resistance. The heavier your arrow is the more momentum it carries and the more energy it uses to blow through an animal.
@@russelllangworthy8855 If KE was more important then I'd be hunting elk with a .22 long rifle because it has twice the KE than a 400gr arrow. KE is great for bullets because they travel at a very high velocity so the KE they transfer is so significant it can cause trauma that are well beyond the diameter of the bullet sending that energy into an object also know as knock down power. An arrow's KE is so small compaired to a bullet that it dosnt have an affect on its lethality.
Whats up Troy! You helped me with my setup last year and got my first buck heart shot with my heavy 530 gr arrow! Its awesome man. I wish we have pigs here in the midwest that i can kill cus Im building arrows that are 800-1000 gr
Nothing like putting 4 guys in a room that already agree 100% to get good discussion on a topic. It would have been more interesting to have 2 guys for mechanical and 2 guys for fixed.
I shoot a 28-inch carbon arrow with a 7-inch piece of a 2216 epoxied to the front of the arrow and have great success. I am 75 and have to shoot 55# with my Bear Empire bow.
The Ranch Fairy is a great guy helped me out a lot even helped me with his own money. Troy is a real hunter and a great source of knowledge
wow thats awesome !
The legend says that if you put an antler shed under your pillow the ranch fairy will come at night and leave you a pack of broadheads.
Troy puts himself out there to assist any hunter that is trying to get a higher foc with an adult arrow. I started an email conversation with him as I began my journey into tuning my first compound bow and he was very helpful. When we ran into an issue that he was unsure of, he got the wizard involved. Super thankful for the information and guidance that Troy and the wizard provided. Forever grateful!
He still responds to emails. He’s legit.
Wait so your saying I could just email him and ask him which aroows I should buy? And he would actually respond?
I started bow hunting in 1970. In those days we used "black diamonds" and Bear Razor heads. Then I went to a 3 blade fixed broad head in the late 70's. I used Thunderhead 125's for well over 20 years and just about 5 years ago I begrudgingly tried expanding mechanical heads. I have taken several deer with them and they do work. But this video hit me between the eyes. The physics and the logic is inescapable. Time for me to "re-rig". I am switching to cut on contact fixed blades. Thanks!
Go Back to your Thunderheads on of the all time best designs!
Troy is the reason why I changed my setup and the reason for my success this year!! I live in Southeast Missouri and the last couple of years have wanted to take a wild hog... I shot 7 in the last few seasons without a recovery and found myself looking into why my arrows were not doin the job.
Found the Fairy and BAM!!! 💥💥💥 Took my first big sow this year!!! I had graduated to an adult bowhunter 🤟 He actually took the time to talk to me, give me his advice, and guide me to my goal! Troy is an AWESOME down to earth guy!
This is the best thing I've seen on CZcams in a while. Preach it, Troy!
The first ever THP guest I’ve had to cut the video short. I’ve shot under 450gr at 65# for the last 10 years and have yet to have any issue recovering a deer and say 95% are pass throughs. He’s definitely a promoter
He does have an interesting personality but he’s not promoting any products. In fact he’s made it a point not to in his pursuit of objective testing. He used to shoot light setups and killed plenty of stuff with them. So did we. However we ran into a few issues with deflections so decided to make the switch. In our situation it made sense.
This is awesome. As a traditional archer, I have been very focused on big heavy arrows, hefty heads, and prefer single bevel heads. I am happy to see modern archers understanding the Ashby studies, and moving in that direction...making arrows as sharp as a samuri sword, with power of a freight train, and no moving parts. Keep in mind bevel must match the feather spin. Current setup: 65# longbow, 750g total weight wood arrows with 200g Grizzly single bevel heads.
Guys, I have to thank you for starting me on the path of changing my entire arrow setup. I haven't taken a deer with them yet, but just target shooting and tuning was an amazing difference. The bow is quieter, the penetration is unreal, I'm more confident in my shots and my groups are tighter. Thank you guys for everything, it's so much fun to shoot!
Went adult arrows last year. Blood trails are a lot less important when they stagger only a few feet.
The info in this video literally blew my mind.... and it is all pretty common knowledge when you sit back and think about it!! Thank you for this!!
Great video!!!
Switched my setup 2 years ago after shooting "flappers" and hit my target buck in the shoulder. Since then, I'm shooting 550 grains with Magnus black hornets and the results have been amazing. Cuts through them like butter and the deer act like nothing hit them till they fall over a few seconds later. Don't think I've had an animal go more than 50 yards.
Didn' go 20
Just ran across this. I hunt with gun and bow. I’m an old man. I read ELMER KEITH years ago. His mantra was BIGGER IS BETTER. Made sense to me. I hunted everything with a 338, sometimes 375. NO PROBLEM with anything. With a bow, I would certainly agree, heavier, or, bigger IS better. Just saying, it WORKS FOR ME.
Thanks guys. 👍👍😃 P S, I’m using Iron Will single bevel. 👍👍
I am mot usually literal , but I am compelled to write this to you all . I want to say that I anticipate your U Tube channel every day You are my go to channel. Like I did as a youngster every Sunday ( no cable ,rabbit ears) Disney and Mutual of Omaha wild kingdom,these are a few of the shows I really looked forward to and got excited and now I get this excitement from the anticipation of a new episode . You all seem to be average guys that a compassion and respect for animals and hunting . So I’ll have to wait for , with anticipation, for your next episode. What I’m trying to say is , THE HUNTING PUBLIC is my favorite hunting UTUBE channel . Keep up quality and humor!
The Ranch Fairy is awesome, he took the time to help me with my arrow setup after failures with what the big box store gave me. I finally got my first recovery this past season. DRT!
I've been waiting for this podcast and video to happen. Been watching ranch fairy and made adjustments accordingly for this past archery season. Love his stuff, and love THP's stuff. Can't wait for more
Great and informative video. I’ve been at it long enough to be able to say, I’ve tried and used everything from Fred Bear 2 blades right thru to 3 blade mechanicals. Anything with a chisel point requires 30 pounds + pressure to perforate one layer of hide whereas the cut on impact variety is closer to 3-5 pounds pressure allowing the arrow to conserve enough energy to push the arrow thru the cavity and then another layer of hide. At the end of the day shot placement and distance of shot reign supreme. The fact that you’re educating the viewer with these videos is super helpful but don’t stop preaching about making the decision to ONLY take ethical shots at ethical distances.
Hey guys tell everyone how much quieter your bow shoots too. I think this is part of the game being calmer when hit.
I actually noticed that yesterday as I was doing the RF test kit.
Uh, yeah… 😐 it's funny, coming from shooting bows that need arrows >8gpp and typically perform best when using 10gpp, 32inch barreled or tapered arrows with traditional broadheads, because everything he's saying and you guys are discovering are simply old news to us. Not to say I don't appreciate the hard work, glad to have you guys back into the archery brotherhood.
Next they'll "discover" that shooting off the left-hand side of the bow and using an olympic draw are biomechanically inefficient 😅
@@MiaogisTeas well pat yourself on the back buddy your are the best
Good discussion guys.
I went back to my old 2219 telephone poles. My bow shoots a lot quieter. The arrow uses more of the bow’s energy with heavy arrows.
The discussion on weight forward of center was spot on but a big point you missed was getting the broadhead lined up with the shaft. And how important it is to use field points the same weight as your broadheads. Broadheads normally don’t fly exactly like field points but well tuned heads are close. And the difference should not be the enough to cause a miss or poor hit on a deer. A squirrel’s head is another story but that is what the judo point is for in my quiver.
I've been watching THP since last spring's turkey season. This past fall was my first year to bow hunt whitetail with the encouragement (unbeknownst to you all) of Aaron and all you guys. I'm trying to learn all I can about bow hunting and am discovering that the more I learn...the less I know. Keep up the great videos.
That's awesome! Let us know if we can help in any way!
How has hunting been going?
Very well timed upload fellas. Just after season. Has everyone thinking about the next.
Gonna have to pick up that book!
This is why I love watching ya'lls videos always learning something, you guys are the best, thanks for all the time and effort y'all put into making such great video's.
Coming from the trad archery world, I've known this for a long, long time....hopefully your viewers will not only listen to this, but test it out and see the benefits for themselves...well done!!
Currently checking the tracking info on my new arrow setup, scheduled for delivery tomorrow morning lol these guys are doing a great thing for archery
Have been waiting to pull the trigger on switching to a heavier set up, the logic and facts are there. Thank you
Brandon Brigham You should check out Vectorcustomshop.com Great arrows at a great price
That's a hell of a team right there, boy! THP with THE Ranch Fairy is awesome! I started snorting the fairy dust two seasons ago and will never not have a quiver full of fixed heads and "heavy" arrows again.
I've been bow hunting since 1972 (yes I'm old) and I haven't experienced the penetration issues these guys have with my setup. I shoot a 70lb PSE Evo with a 378 grain arrow at 315 fps shooting swacker broadheads. I'm fortunate and get to shoot a lot of whitetails and I've shot through all of them but one. I shot a 13 point in the shoulder and broke both front shoulders. I had to break the arrow to remove the heart when field dressing. I haven't shot hogs though so can't comment on bow hunting those. You have to find a balance with the size of broadhead you shoot with the KE you are getting with your setup. I use what works for me but If you need more penetration I would follow these guys recommendations and shoot a heavier arrow and a fixed head like they suggest. It would definitely help.
i'm older...been hunting since 65...the wooden Ben Person arrows i still have weigh 505 grains...if you're that old the aluminum arrows you were shooting were around 550/575 with fixed....heavy forever.
It does blow my mind when you see these hunting shows on TV and some guy gets a shot a bruiser at 20 yards and the fletching doesn't even enter the body cavity let alone get a complete pass through. I made the switch 4 years ago. Went from shooting a 420 grain arrow with a mechanical to a 525 with a single bevel fixed and the results are outstanding. Great info in this video! Wish the CZcams algorithm would have got this to me sooner.
Getting some popcorn ready, these comments are gonna be great!
The butthurt's gonna be strong in this one.
Honestly after this video I’m changing my whole setup for next year! I’m convinced. Love the videos guys. Thanks for always striving to make everyone better!
Garret Babcock lol. I was thinking i have over three dozen of the same arrow. Now i have time by more lol
Check out Sirius arrows the come factory with ethics components. High weight, high FOC and stupid tough setup! Also have a promo code to get 15% off
Cody Crocker I’ll definitely look into it! Thank you!
@@findawayoutdoors6991 awesome!!
Have you gotten any results?
Keywords to search: Ethics archery, FOC, Dynamic spine, Dr. Ed Ashby, Sirius Archery, single bevel broadheads, scapula, low profile vanes, and quit fearing bone. @ranchfairy if everyone got to 550 for whitetail they'd almost always make 2 holes instead of 1.
Thank you sir
So if I’m shoot a 55 pound bow what grain arrow and broadhead should I use? Would a 350 grain arrow with a 150 grain broadhead work?
@@wyatth9555 don't think about shaft weight. Think about 1) what broadhead do I want to shoot. 2) do I want more FOC added with help of a weighted insert. 3) now that I know how much insert & BH weigh what spine shaft do I need for the proper dynamic spine. ..... answer yourself those 3 questions in that order and you will be well within the rabbit hole. Any attempt to go out of order will be counter productive.
@@DustinApple okay so I shoot a g5 Montec with a 55 pound bow. What do you recommend for an arrow and insert?
@@DustinApple could you explain what FOC is?
Hell yea y'all. I'll get my arrows weighted down and single-beveled asap. Just followed ranch fairy
I've shot a buck 2 years ago with a 450 grains arrow set up, hit im a little bit high with a 2inches rage chizzel point and didint have blood trail!!! I found him by luck with 5 inches of broken arrow penetration and it barely touch 1 lung!!!! I said to my self , nerver again!!! My set up is now 250 grains Abowyer brown bear tanto tip single bevel, 50 grains outserts and 340 grains arrow!!! I've sacrifice speed for quiteness and penetration. Thank you THP and Ranch Fairy for all this knowledge shared to us!!!!
As a former Marine I don’t get excited too often; however, Ranch Fairy gets me going. I would love to meet you! Your in depth knowledge is truly amazing. Love your channel. Keep at it
Troy is super knowledgeable!
Lol, should hear story after story of those hunter's that my dog and I tracked their wounded deer. I can't even remember how many this past season alone were using mechanical blade's, yet somehow they make you feel like your tracking dog is the answer to finding their wounded deer and that deer has to be laying dead somewhere based on where they hit the deer.
Most of the Ranch Fairy's information is old new's to some of my generation of hunter's in the know and myself, but needs to learned and understood by the next generation's of hunter's. It's refreshing to see such hunters as the Ranch Fairy, a dedicated organization and his mentor that continue to educate hunters who struggle with their decisions on what size and weight arrows and type blades one needs to be more successful, not to mention as ethical of a killing machine we all can be out hunting our quarry. I would like to see more information being taught on crossbow bolt's in regards since so many hunters are using them.
Last time I was this early to a THP video was never.
Ranch Fairy is awesome!
All my favorite teachers on the same video...this is a win for all bow hunters
Shot easten FMJ 340 with 100 grain G5 deadmeat for the past 2 seasons overall arrow weight is 450 grains. Shooting them with a 70 lb 28 in draw Mathews Chill. Have shot 4 deer with this set up, all of them square in the shoulder (2 where mature bucks btw) all passed completely through and all the deer ran around 30 yds give or take. All that said mechanical broadheads are not all created equal there are good ones and terrible ones, but if you get good ones they can be as deadly or deadlier than fixed blade broadheads, and they fly like field points. Also you can shoot a medium weight arrow flatten your trajectory and still have penetration and punch to spare.
Started following the RF after seeing this video. Once again THP is such a great group that help educate and entertain. Thanks again guys!
Two of my favorites in CZcamsVerse!
Emailed back and forth with Troy and he was extremely helpful and to the point. Good info here folks. Glad the hunting public is doing what they are doing.
Fantastic! I’ve been communicating with Troy for a few months working on my setup. You guys are doing great stuff and headed in the right direction! Keep up the good work THP!
We've only been using single bevel arrow/broadheads for thousands of years that were probably alot heavier and way slower and the evolution got us here.
Thanks for always teaching, As a journeymen archery hunter this video explained so much to me on arrow balances and why I question expandables when other friends swear by them. Time to watch some Ranch Fairy.
Hearing y’all take about this really has me wanting to switch up my arrow and broadhead setup. I’m all for doing what works best. Keep up the great work men. And can’t wait to talk some hunting with y’all next week at the NWTF show.
The ranch fairy is the man. So much knowledge and is there to help anyone. Light arrows < adult arrows.
Very interesting video for sure! Shot placement triumphs arrow set up for me and my experience for whitetail. Call me old school but I wait for a broadside or quartering away shot.
That Woo Woo always a good plan!
Wild Boar Adventures my brother has been telling celebs and famous archers to throw out the mechanicals and put on fixed blades that can penetrate the over one inch thick cartilage plate on the trophy boars.
Thank you for sharing this important
info.
Great info I’ve been using heavier arrows and single bevel broad heads for 5years now and won’t look back it was an article I read about Dr. Ashby
I prefer heavy arrow, expandable head set up myself, more forgiveness as far as hit location, turning what would be a liver hit to liver and a clipped lung makes ALL the difference to me. You do give up the quartering too shot, but I’m not sure I’d take that anyway. Never sacrificed on penetration either
Real interested to see what kind of THP affect will happen for Ranch Fairy's channel. Glad you all are teaming up with him so this stuff is more well known!
I have read some of his post and watched some vids before- but now I'm subbed💡After Turkey season I'm upgrading to adult arrows.
@@teamflanneloutdoors5631 He was upper 6k lows 7s before this video and is at 11.1 now
I discovered Ranch Fairy from one of the comments in a Hunting Public video about 6 months ago and have been hooked ever since. This was a most excellent discussion. I'd love to see Troy mess around with crossbows too.
Depends what you're hunting. I hunt whitetail and don't experience those issues with roughly 500 grains. I've always went one size heavier than charts show and shoot 100 grain head. Most underspine with mechanicals and that is the issue in itself. For whitetail you don't need 650 grains.
Great video! Seems like you guys and Troy get along great! We need more content like this! Maybe you all can sling some adult arrows at some pigs somewhere with the Fairy?
Best show on youtube !! Love it guys!!!
What a very truthful and perfectly timed video. I have been wanting to do this for years but have stuck with a “lighter set up” for western game. With a 31” draw I was hunting western game with a 465 grain set up cruising at 310-315 FPS making massive holes until I hit the scapula and only had 4 inches of penetration. This year I am building a 600+ set up or heavier. Thank you for the informative video.
Cj Herriman get ready for some MAJOR pin gap. And I do mean MAJOR. Hope you have enough room on the dial to get you past 50 yards.
I should have enough room to at least make 70 yards with the bubble 😂.
“Bonked” my target buck at ten yards with a rage 2 blade last November. I’ll be switching next season
+1
The Bows bible. 10grains of arrow weight for every pound of bow weight.
You have done a great honor for our sport. There is also a great sense of accomplishment in sharpening one's own broadheads.
Thank you Ranch Fairy and thank you THO
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NO Regrets
I like this guy, he’s No bullshit and isn’t afraid to crush all the money driven theories out there these days. The mechanical broadhead and speed fads are something Ill never understand. Happy to see you guys are promoting heavy fixed heads
I started looking for information on generally heavier arrow setups with higher FOC following the close of deer season. I think I heard about Ranch Fairy on a THP podcast. I watched a number of Troy's videos and corresponded with him by email. He is enthusiastic, accessible, responsive and helpful. I purchased a test kit of heavy field points and I picked up a couple of stiffer spined arrows. I will be doing some testing/tuning soon, and selecting the arrow & head weight combinations that I like. I am looking forward to using a heavier setup next season. Thanks for doing the video.
One of your best informational videos yet, I shot a mature buck here in Michigan last year with a "rage" and it did exactly what you were talking about perfect in the pocket placement and it turned back and came out at the opposite side rear hip. was lucky enough to sneak up on it and put another arrow in it, but since then have had two separate instances with mechanicals not killing the game in a efficient manor. I am defiantly switching to heavier arrows and single bevel broadhead's for next season!! Thanks for the information and for turning me onto the ranch fairy....
Best guy ever. Love his channel!
To the window, to the wall, I'm shooting skeet load ya'll.
Shane Simpson same brother
Shane Simpson They got me feelin like I’m shooting my kid bow again lol definitely gonna be raising the bar this year for arrow and broad head setup.
I'll be experimenting with "adult" arrows this summer.
Same! I'm a proud shooter of a skeet load twizzler tipped with a flapper! Call it what you want but it consistently kills deer as quickly as anything shown or discussed in that video. The difference is, I don't feel the need to make jokes about why I think their style is overkill. It doesn't matter to me if I'm the only person on the planet shooting a setup comparable to mine because the eye test has proven it to be highly effective for years now.
Shane, maybe you could jump in on the fun? Your stats on recovery rates could help THP and the Fairy with their message! A collaboration of all three channels could be awesome!
Incredibly interesting discussion!! Last year my daughter shot a nice 8-point buck with her .243. When field dressing it and splitting the pelvis, I grabbed what I thought was a very smooth bone or a stick (couldn't figure out why a bone or stick would be right there) only to quickly realize it was the broadhead end (about 11") of an arrow. So, shot selection/placement IS quite critical and obviously was not a consideration when this buck was previously shot.
Thank y'all for the information. Don't ever stop hunting the way y'all do.
Great podcast guys, I’ve been following ranch ferry for a few years now and we’ve chatted back-and-forth a handful of times, love that you guys are following suit and going to spread the word
i can see a case for both single bevel and expandable. No doubt you will get more penetration with the single bevel/heavy arrow but if Zach shot that big buck along the river with a mechanical, it would have been dead in seconds due to the large cutting diameter, he would have got either the spine or top of lungs. I personally shoot both. Expandables for deer, and fixed for elk. Have killed plenty with both. Its all about shot placement.
Oakave84 very true. Our mind changed when we got the data from the dog trackers. Most of them concur that pass through hits yielded more recoveries than hits where the arrow stayed in the deer. Regardless of broadhead you choose, a pass through should be the goal after discussing this with them.
Glad to see you guys working together. Been following both channels and both have outstanding content. Adult arrow building is in the works. Have messaged Troy a couple of times and gotten prompt friendly advice
Great show! Totally agree with everything said, been my experiences too!
I’m switching to at least 500 grain. I’ve been shooting the typical 400gr shaft 100gr mechanical and I’ve been hero or zero like y’all say over many years. I’ve had rib deflection, no shoulder pass through at 20 yards and on hogs forget it. They run of with my shaft and broadhead. Great video!!
Fantastic Intel, only way to go , Heavy Arrow and fixed blade broadhead!! As always KEEP HAMMERING
You guys are a great group to watch. Cant wait for yalls up coming Turkey hunts.
I really enjoy your videos and conversations. Thank you. Would it be possible to include crossbow bolts in the discussions? Thank you.
Troy had the 3rd best channel on youtube. The hunting public and the hunting beast ate 1 an 2
That's all anyone needs to watch really.
Add to that
Pinhoti Project
Catman
Shane Simpson
DIY Sportsman👍
Switched to a longbow from a compound a year ago. Used to shoot a twizzlers with a flapper. I wanted something bullet proof for the 56#im drawing now. Stumbled upon the Ashbey reports and then found grizzlystiks. Ran a 650gr arrow with 200gr SB up at around 27% FOC. They fly like darts and the most important thing in my opinion, is that the bow is whisper quiet. The heavy the arrow the more the quieter the release.
Y’all helped a lot of people become more ethical hunters if they use the knowledge y’all are puttin out! I’m a read guy and shoot heavy cedar shafts! Keep it up!
Impressive stuff. Been bow hunting whitetails since the 60's as a teenager . Back then we used the Fred Bear heads and wood then aluminum shafts. Always wondered about the lite, carbon, but was chasing speed with compounds. Have used mechanical a few times but always came back to fixed. Thanks for bringing this back into focus. Really resonated with me. Going to change my setup.
I knew what we were dealing with as soon as I saw he was wearing a visor.
Keep preaching Troy!
Mechanicals 100% have major deflection problems. I’ve had great success with the spitfire 3 blade mechanicals, but I’ve been incredibly lucky with good deflections. I keep telling myself I need to switch to fixed blades before it costs me a deer. It’s hard to switch from a broadhead that has worked for me & always has field point accuracy. Not to mention broadheads are too expensive to just start testing multiple brands. I’ve also had a lot of complete pass throughs. The majority of deer I’ve shot have had no idea what hit them, but I credit most of that on having a very quiet bow, not my arrow setup. I shoot a 475g arrow. I’d love to shoot a heavier arrow, but I’m not sacrificing the ability to shoot long range (50+)
I heard that heavy arrows is not what really matters. Its more about having good sharp broadheads and good accuracy
He said he hunts 200 pound hogs.
One needs a very heavy arrow for that.
Whitetail are thin skinned. You don't need such a heavy arrow.
It's better to have a little more forgiveness in range estimation by having a little more speed!
I TOTALLY agree with the comments about mechs. vs COC. I've been a Magnus fan for years!
Guys, figure your Kinetic energy by using a search for KE calculator and plus in the two variables weight X Speed. You'll need to weigh your finished arrow and chrono your speed.
One only needs about 40 lbs KE to pass through deer. At 270 fps and 424 grains I've got 68 lbs KE.
AND NOBODY SHOULD BE SHOOTING WHITETAILS IN THE BONES (especially the shoulder) on purpose!
I hunted in my teens and got away from it and really decided to get back into it this year. Bought a bow and took it to a shop to get built and tuned. Of course they hooked me up with a 410 grain total weight arrow. Been watching a lot of videos on CZcams and realize I should be shooting a much heavier arrow and at least a fixed blade head. Its to late this year to make the switch but I am for sure going to next year I just hope I don't regret not just jumping in and doing it this year. Season starts here in A few weeks. Using rocket steelhead 100 grain. Hope I dont have any more issues.
Already had my blades coming open in Flight when
Practicing and sent my arrows 6-8 inches left just before impact. They don't make the steelheads any more so the unopened pack I bought off eBay was new old stock from A shop. Probably 3 or 4 years old so my guess is the rubber bands must have eroded in that time and I could feel and feel that they didn't keep the blades super tight but just assumed it would be fine and that that's how they where desighned to be. I guess not. Tried some different rubber bands and no problems. I love hunting but hate to see or think that something is suffering. With these heavy arrows and coc heads it seems and looks like it zips right threw them and that they don't even feel a thing so it seems like Its the way to go
Kinetic energy is what's it's all about. The heavier spine , weight forward brass inserts. Kills them quick. God bless
Momentum
Thomas Jarosz definitely no Kinetic Energy. Try momentum for the “W”.
@@russelllangworthy8855 well it depends what weight arrows and set up you are looking at KE fluctuates. momentum has more of an impact on penetration than KE. But KE is usually a higher number and looks better to the public thats the reason archery companies use it to sell product. KE is the energy an arrow stores while in flight, Momentum is the abilty to maintain that energy when the object meets a resistance. The heavier your arrow is the more momentum it carries and the more energy it uses to blow through an animal.
@@russelllangworthy8855 If KE was more important then I'd be hunting elk with a .22 long rifle because it has twice the KE than a 400gr arrow. KE is great for bullets because they travel at a very high velocity so the KE they transfer is so significant it can cause trauma that are well beyond the diameter of the bullet sending that energy into an object also know as knock down power. An arrow's KE is so small compaired to a bullet that it dosnt have an affect on its lethality.
Google kinetic energy chart for archery and see what is says. God bless
Troys personality is one of a kind, love this info!
Whats up Troy! You helped me with my setup last year and got my first buck heart shot with my heavy 530 gr arrow! Its awesome man. I wish we have pigs here in the midwest that i can kill cus Im building arrows that are 800-1000 gr
The only advantage they didn't mention was that this arrow setup is much quieter. More energy goes into the arrow!
Excellent video nothing like having good kinetic energy to punch straight through
Really happy you dudes found and adapted the Ashby stuff. Rock on
Nothing like putting 4 guys in a room that already agree 100% to get good discussion on a topic. It would have been more interesting to have 2 guys for mechanical and 2 guys for fixed.
I shoot a 28-inch carbon arrow with a 7-inch piece of a 2216 epoxied to the front of the arrow and have great success. I am 75 and have to shoot 55# with my Bear Empire bow.
Interesting, will be glad to see what you guys shoot next season.
I agree completely, I shoot 600+ gr out of my Day Six setup and it crushes everything I shoot at... when I don't miss
Watching rhis again years later. Blows my mind how many people got fooled thinking Troy knew anything about bowhunting lol😂
Great stuff! Makes me reconsider my setup for next year.
Gonna have to listen to this podcast 10 times for figure all this stuff out.
TACOCAT. Mind blown.
I've probably watched this video 5xs it's so informative.
I'm super interested, but I've had really good results from grip reaper mechanicals. Maybe I'll switch someday
matthew marciniak if you have confidence don’t switch! Only reason we switched is because we had some bad experiences in our situations.
Great video guys, bring the fairy on more please!!!!
I shoot the hornet ser razors and they are an unbelievable head! Glad to see more guys interested in shooting heavier arrow setups!