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- Perry Lafferty gave us a trio of very different stories that redefined how The Twilight Zone was produced in season four. Will his final one be his best? Walter gives his thoughts on "Valley of the Shadow".
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"Valley of the Shadow" is a 51-minute episode of the American television anthology series The Twilight Zone. In this episode, a reporter is held captive in a small town after he discovers its incredible secret.
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Valley of the Shadow is less of a story and more of a morality debate similar to the Trolley Problem in Philosophy
It was great to get an hour long installment of this show, it's been a long time going!
The Season 3 finale of Seth MacFarlane's Hulu series The Orville has a similar plot where a humanoid woman from a planet similar to today's Earth questions why the crew of the ship don't share their futuristic technology with lesser developed planets.
Godzilla 2014 soon because you might have a different opinion on it now like I know it's not one of the best movies but you did like Godzilla vs kong and 2014 Godzilla movie was the reason it came to be
I like how this episode didn’t follow the trope of a small town being haunted, but a small town guarding a non-horror secret
Me too, it was a great way to subvert expectations, and it wasn't TOO supernatural.
It's like a creepier version of that show "Eureka".
It does however have the trope of small secretive town that’s not fond of visitors with a hotel because reasons
@@drewidlifestyle7883Excellent point. I'll have to rewatch as that, a Restaurant, and out of date Newspapers all seem to beg more questions. (Are they addressed? Does it matter?)
@@lgoamity The restaurant could serve the locals. I suspect the hotel was there before the visitor arrived, and it just retained its appearance afterwards, though without the need for guests or income. The out-of-date newspapers suggest that the town is also isolated from the outside world in a lot of ways; they can't receive mail or other correspondence. They have the tech to keep up with radio and TV broadcasts, of course, but no new printed works. They probably also don't have any new books, be they novels or non-fiction. I suspect a certain amount of cultural stagnation as a result.
As Rod Sterling's narration aptly pointed out, the plot most likely wouldn't have happened had Rollie not chased the cat.
“You can’t leave here knowing this town’s closely guarded secret.”
“What secret?”
“Let me show you.”
The reveal at the end is that they were using Redfield as a test for all of humanity, and when he fails they wipe his memory and send him away
I believe they were going to kill him anyway so it didn't matter. If they didn't, he would use his journalistic background to get people to infiltrate the town
It's a secret test of character.
I like to think that the memory voiding device didn't actually work and he just pretended so he could leave. When he saw the woman and said "I thought I saw somebody I knew", this may have been him subtly sneering at her for betraying him.
This episode reminded me of one of the more poignant quotes from Final Fantasy XIV, “To ignore the plight of those one might conceivably save is not wisdom-it is indolence.”
The context here is a person essentially leaving their strictly neutral city state in order to provide assistance to friendly nations, despite the possibility of acting against a warring enemy.
To be fair, we, as a species, already could do more to help each other, but choose not to for various reasons. The tech they had wouldn't change human nature.
as my uncle ben once said, "If you could do good things for other people, then you had a moral obligation to do those things. That's what's at stake here: not choice... responsibility."
There’s also the fact that the town itself isn’t really worthy of the power they have.
The first time you see it being used is my little girl who decides to get rid of the dog.
Yes, it chased her cat, but as shown in the episode, there’s nothing that can be done permanently to anyone, including that cat.
Then they decide to place a force field around their entire town and trap him in it.
If their first field technology was so great that nobody could get in around then it also stands to reason that he could’ve left, and nothing will come of it.
Or they could’ve done like they did in the end of this episode and just mind wipe him.
A lot of useless effort was made to inconvenience this one man and his dog.
I thought about the mind-wipe angle as well and why they don't just use that at first with anybody who stumbles onto them. Of course, the real reason is because then the story wouldn't have happened. But I think a reasonable in-world reason could be that the town sometimes needs to capture new members to keep their gene pool from stagnating. This guy is handsome and looks in great physical condition, so his DNA might seem desirable to them.
I belive that this town is more than worthy of this power.
The idea is: town keeps the power, and then shares it when the humanity is worthy.
Would they be worthy, if they just sit on it and not use it? Not!
It's a tool. A very hi-tech, but still a tool. And they gave it to a child. When the child unmade a dog they said: "no-no-no, that is not how you use this tool. No matter how much you wanted help your cat." And the girl learned a new thing that day.
Then comes this guy. He came into this town by chance. And he could've leave as easily. But he had this inquisitive nature. So the townsfolk thought: "hmm. Maybe he is made from the right material. He can be a part of our community - as long as he won't do something incredibly stupid. Like shooting a bunch of people to prove his point". Which he did.
The woman was also worthy. She could follow her feelings and abandon her duty. And she didn't. That is refreshing! I've seen so many stories, where people followed their feelings and doomed a LOT of people...
@@This_side_of_the_internet but his inquisitive nature of spurred on by the fact that the little girl made his dog disappear.
Then, when there’s a chance that he could just leave, and that would be the end of it, they have a force field that causes him to wreck and kills his dog.
They could’ve left him alone just let him leave and then put it there force field afterwards.
Besides, none of them actually need that little handheld device that they keep in their pockets.
They have plenty of other stuff that they could keep in their homes.
Possibility just make something cease to exist, is pretty horrifying to have an anybody’s hands, especially those who claimed that they were the right hands.
@@Nazo-kage Most of what i've written is just speculations that i based on logic.
Example: Why they decided to kidnap the guy? Because he has inqusitive nature. And since any damage is not permanent here - they gone bonkers with him and his car. Also it showed their capabilities.
And about the tool... For me it looks like multitool that can create, heal, manipulate e.t.c. Not "make things that i don't like disappear" kind of tool. My first thought was "Doctor who's sonic screwdriver"...
@@This_side_of_the_internet I can agree that those are most likely right.
The irony is that they want him because he’s inquisitive, but it’s because he’s inquisitive that he’s not willing to just sit there, and do nothing.
The very thing they want him for is the reason why he can’t stay.
This is giving me Black Panther and Wakanda vibes. An advanced place hidden from the outside world. You have the means to help the world but the fear of it falling into the wrong hands keeps them from sharing it with the rest of the world.
The only difference between Peaceful Valley and Wakanda is the latter is within a continent whose people had been enslaved, slaughtered, and oppressed by the outside world.
I just came to post this!
And then one wrong hand came to them wanting to give it to other wrong hands, and that one wrong hand was a creation of their doing/policy.
Depending on which version of Wakanda, one specified their reasoning for not sharing is because they viewed the rest of the world as stupid or evil. Such a closed mindset and short sightedness is also a problem. Kinda like a rich man saying a poor person doesn't deserve money or respect because he's poor. The people in Peaceful Valley are short sighted and bigoted.
Was looking for this comment. Glad I'm not the only one that immediately saw that
Wakanda for white people lol
One of the things I never got into with twilight zone is in every episode where things get strange the main character usually jumps into hysteria and panic and never takes a second to process what’s going on and that always frustrated me a bit
having hour-long episodes, does feel so strange, but this episode does remind me a bit like Brigadoon, where the people are cursed or blessed depending on your view, of being in a place and never leaving
also having James Doohan in anything is always awesome
The protagonist in these kinds of stories almost always seems to be a journalist. Also, Philip compares the Town to Hitler for refusing to share their technology with the rest of the world, yet he's hardly better, resorting to violence and planning to steal the technology himself.
He was stealing it to reveal to the world, he even says so.
He compares them to Hitler when they say Killing him would be for the greater good
@@lainiwakura1776 To the point he'd actually kill people? Maybe he had a selfish reason? Sell the technology to the highest bidder?
This is the kind of episode that benefits from the double length format. These kinds of moral quandaries take time to dsicuss.
It never ceases to amaze me the effects they were able to accomplish back then
The episode reminded me of the show Eureka. Both involve a town with advance tech but do not share it with the rest of the world. But while this episode gives a more pessimistic view, Eureka gives a more optimistic view of it. In the sense that they don't share it because they are still testing it and waiting for the world to be ready for it. Both points are valid but are still argued. And frankly I this will still be debated for years to come.
It is easy to see the Twillight Zone as an inspiration for TOS, with Shatner, Nimoy Doohan and later Takei as important TZ alumni
You missed Scotty and Anan 7 5:29
I know it's not the point here, but I love that car. The 59 Chevy line was a remarkable looking set of cars, with the cat eyes and bat wing fins.
I love how the book of equations isn't like, 900 pages. It's AT MOST 300, which could either mean that the solution to world peace is closer than we thought, or that they'd prefer not to waste paper over convincing those who pass through Pleasant Valley of their findings.
What really bothers me is that the town 1 lets everyone have the tech and potentially use it frivolously- the girl either teleports or disintegrates a dog for chasing her cat (I am assuming its a star treck transport thing where the dog was in limbo until the girl's dad restored it) its worrying that for all they say about people not being ready for this tech the VERY first thing we see done with it is what looks like the murder of someone's beloved pet. 2 For all that they say they are waiting until the world is ready, the fact that the only newspaper in town is a decade old paints a disturbing picture about how little they know about what is going on in the world.
It reminds me of the Film Tomorrowland. In that film scientists ages ago created a haven in another dimension for the brilliant minds of the world, and went out to recruit potentially brilliant people for that society. I forget if they had any intent to share their tech but in the modern day, next to no one lives in that world because the guy in charge (played by Hugh Laurie) has shut down all attempts at bringing people in and wrote off the mundane world as doomed- because Tomorrowland built a machine that predicted the appocalypse, and when Hugh's character build another one to broadcast warnings into Earth's subconscious, it instead gave rise to the apocalypse and post apocalypse movies. Later we see the coundown clock to the end of the world tick back when ONE character resovles to fix things, also Hugh's character LEFT HIS MACHINE RUNNING. He was basically writing off earth while subconsciously convincing everyone earth was doomed, and doing nothing to stop it or maintain the futuristic wonderland he was in charge of.
Its one thing to say that the world isn't ready for such wonders but then, shouldn't you work to make it ready, do some good with the gifts you have been given? Or even just keep an eye on the world and not just hide away judging everyone sight unseen?
They are not oblivious. There may be no new shipments of anything (Papers included) coming into this self sufficient community, but that does not prevent them from being able to tune into radio and television broadcasts to be just as in tune with the outside world.
This is not another Peaksville situation where no info moves in either direction.
Of course, assuming that the world does achieve peace and Peaceful Valley presents their gifts to the world, then the rest of the world would probably be as furious as Redmond and punish the residents for allowing so much death and destruction to occur beforehand.
Well if the world achieves peace then they would also understand why the town did what it did. Included will be the realization that the town didn't cause the death and destruction the rest of the world chose to participate in. To achieve peace is to accept the role you played.
Best episode of season 4 in my opinion
One of the better ones of season 4.
This episode needs a sequel
Any ideas on how that would play out? I can't really think of anything interesting to add after the events depicted in the episode.
Personally, I'm more a fan of stories that are self-contained. The risk with sequels, or turning something into a franchise, is that you'll soon run out of material and the quality will suffer as a result. A good example of the difference in approach is contrasting American shows that get renewed on a yearly basis, robbing them of direction and a clear storyline, with Japanese anime shows that tell their story in one season and then the creators get to come up with a new and interesting story and world in which to set it, so it's always fresh and engaging.
@@EvenTheDogAgrees I think having the lady trying to find him and she sees how the real world works and decides for herself what’s good for humanity.
I don’t remember this episode as a whole, but I do recall a quote from the mayor which went something like (non verbatim): “You took Einstein’s formulas and created weapons and tools of destruction”. That always stuck with me.
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This was probably the only episode that ever gives me actual anger, and that's all due to one giant glaring plot hole: if you have a town with advanced technology, and you don't want people to know about it, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE A ROAD/SIGN LEADING DIRECTLY TO IT?!?!?!?!?
They put it there so someone can come and test him.
The Season 3 finale of Seth MacFarlane's Hulu series The Orville has a similar plot where a humanoid woman from a planet similar to today's Earth questions why the crew of the ship don't share their futuristic technology with lesser developed planets.
Valley of the Shadow sounds like a Rock Album title ;)
What I'm curious about is that if Peaceful Valley didn't want to share this technology until total peace existed throughout the world, then why was that force field inactive before Redfield entered their town? 6:41 - 6:54 & 10:45 - 10:58 really intrigue me: Evans mentions that executing Redfield would be out of necessity for the greater good when the human race would use this technology to kill each other; Redfield thought killing Evans, Dorn, and Connelly was out of necessity for the greater good when the human race could use the technology to feed the starving, save several people from dying, and more. I'm reminded of Attack on Titan when both sides are not explicitly good or evil. Both feel justified in their actions on what they believe is best for the world but come into conflict when their beliefs are different.
This is one of my favorite episodes. I really like a lot of the hour-long episodes. The death ship is the other one I really like. I also love Ring-a-Ding Girl, but I cannot, off the top of my head, remember if that was S4 or S5.
This is my favorite episode of the twilight zone.
Always thought this was one of the best episodes of the entire series. Original premise, spot-on execution, and great acting. Glad to see it getting praise here. Season 4 is under-rated, in my estimation, and I look forward to the coming installments.
Jack Kirby was probably inspired by this episode to make the Eternals for Marvel Comics. It's pretty much the same galactic premise compacted to a small town.
I love this The Twilight Zone episode!
David Opatoshu? I remember him from Star Trek!
With such amazing tech to be protected from humanity, you kind of see why the residents of Peaceful Valley wanted to keep it a secret!
When money, power and politics enter the fray such tech can be misused exponentially!
That’s why Peaceful Valley has such an old fashioned and unchanging look about it. The residents are not affected by the massive craving for money and power the outside world has and they want to keep it that way!
Such a fascinating “food for thought” episode.
Overall a good episode. Took me awhile to realize that by testing that one man, they were testing humanity...and humanity failed. For now.
Yes! One of my favorite episodes! I’m so glad you gave it the proper review!
I haven’t seen the 4th season episodes in years thanks to all the reasons you’ve mentioned already, but I vividly remember this one for its stunts. I liked this episode
"Ellen" looks a lot like Bryce Dallas Howard in "The Help". It's a great testament to how good a job the styling and art team did recreating a 60's look!
This is the best analysis of a Twilight Zone episode I have ever heard or witnessed, bravo!!
I think it’s a commentary on war in general, too. Do you, as a neutral nation, interfere in the affairs of others at the risk of being considered an enemy? And if you choose not to, can you truly consider yourselves noble and good if you have the ability to help and choose not to? What’s the right thing to do? That’s why war conflicts are never that simple, and that’s why not every country can get involved and help. You risk starting conflict of your own if you get involved, even if the involvement is humanitarian in nature. You’re inevitably gonna piss off somebody in power.
In 1963, Philip Redfield uses a 3D printer belonging to his captors to create a handgun from a design template on file near their printer. Working 3D printers were developed in the 1980s, and the capability of creating firearms from 3D printers became a reality in 2012.
..i just rewatched this one the other nite...it has ole Dabbs Greer, my man form Missouri and ole Scotty from the crew.... Charley Nutt was a great story maker..great show!...
Thank you for the video.
Someone once said "All it takes for evil to thrive in this world is for good men to sit back and do nothing." Well the people of Peaceful Valley are sitting back and doing f*ck all to help the world, while the protagonist was doing all he could to take the technology from them and feed starving people all over the world!!!! So I say the people of Peaceful Valley are the true villains here, at least in my eyes.
This episode begs the question, why did no one come to the rational conclusion that Peaceful Valley as a community could slowly, over time, guide philosophical and political debate in such a way that they could steer the world in a direction that would be ready for their knowledge.
That being said, the people of Peaceful Valley aren’t that evolved, either. They just have a more advanced set of toys, with little understanding of how to use them.
This was the very first episode i ever seen of this show and it stuck with me
I like the hour long episode format better than the half hour one, since you can pack more twists and turns into a longer running time.
But also a lot of filler to stretch for Runtime and ruining good pacing.
Erasing his memory was a great twist.
Nice post made me wanna watch some of the twilight zone episodes 👍🏻
6:47 a foreshadow to the next episode of The Twilight Zone
Kayne’s favorite
too soon..
I quite liked this episode, and feel that the premise could be fleshed out further.
I'm fully on the town's side. As pointed out in at least one other comment, they're not using their power responsibly either. But they're doing a better job than most keeping it out of even worse hands until a better option comes along. Now, they could have done a better job if they'd just fed the guy and sent him on his way satisfied. They didn't have to raise his suspicions. But nobody's perfect.
I've been waiting for this... It's great to see this series returning. Like some others have said, I did quite enjoy the second season of the 2019 reboot so I hope you could also consider continuing the twilight tober zone with other reboots
The actor who played Dorn also played Anan 7 in the Star Trek episode, "A Taste of Armageddon."
I like the hour long format is better, because if you asked me some of the older episodes, feel like they could’ve used a couple extra minutes or so
I actually kinda love this episode it's creepy. Mysterious and has s really great bitter sweet ending, the town reminds me of a certain village in Final Fantasy 6 ......
This reminds me of the "Black Panther" movie.
Wakanda is an hidden place that's years upon the rest of the world.
Some say to keep it hidden while others say to spread it.
I wonder if this episode was some kind of inspiration for Black Panther.
just watched this episode, one of the greats
Inherently, their 'test' was flawed. Even ignoring the fact that they gave the technology to a fickle little girl who poofed a dog from existence because he tried to chase her cat, they effectively killed said dog and nearly killed said man (which would be traumatic in several ways, even IF they could bring the dog back again and heal him), they kidnapped him, they threatened to kill him, and then they stuck him in a fish bowl. An animal in a cage while the zookeepers put on morally superior airs. It's also a lot easier to find a file on how to make a gun under a strict time limit rather than trying to figure out the technology as a whole and how to best utilize it. From the standpoint of self defense on all accounts of 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness', he was fully justified.
This episode brings to mind the Outer Limits episode, 'Keeper of the Purple Twilight'. At the end the weapon is destroyed for the very same reason. Mankind would use it to destroy itself just as the visiting alien hoped.
One of my fav episodes
This epsiode has a very neat plot
One of my favorites from Season 4
The very specific population count on the sign makes me wonder if there wasn't an earlier version of the script where they mind-control him to become a model citizen instead of letting him go, and the last scene is someone changing the sign to "Pop. 982", one extra.
I wonder if this episode was the inspiration for the tv series Eureka.
A community of geniuses who build futuristic tech years ahead of the rest of the world hidden behind a forcefield.
I was getting a town called eureka vibes (it was called that in the uk but i think it got renamed to eureka from season 4 onwards) love that show i usely rewatch it regularly it a fun show
an interesting episode for the subject matter it is trying to discuss
I really like this concept of a script. Makes me think of an episode or two of Stargate.
I watched this thinking of Eric Killmonger ... at least Philip got to go home.
An interesting question of the responsibility to do good versus the responsibility to do no harm
Could also be a risk vs reward thing. The reward is the end of needless suffering. The risk is handing the ability to annihilate to a species that has been annihilating members of its own species for trivial reasons for millennia.
Awesome and cool! ^_^
I'm certain that this episode and The Obsolete Man were inspiration for The Prisoner series.
This episode is notable for featuring alot of futuristic looking things, closely related to future Star Trek. James Doohan and David Opatoshu, who both appear in this episode, both appeared in Star Trek. Character of Mayor Dorn, played by Opatoshu, shares the last name with future Star Trek actor Michael Dorn.
Opatoshu appeared on Star Trek episode A Taste of Armageddon, in which he played Anan 7, head of the council on planet Eminiar VII, in which the Enterprise landing party were also unable to leave, having been condemned to death by the computer-fought war.
James Doohan also appeared in A Taste of Armageddon, therefore he and Opatoshu appear together in both episodes.
Also, in 1958 in movie The Brothers Karamasov, Opatoshu appearred with William Shatner, with whom he also appeared in A Taste of Armageddon.
David Opatoshu also had a memorable Star Trek guest star role as Anan 7 in "A Taste of Armageddon."
David Opatoshu made a 'Star Trek' appearance himself in "A Taste of Armageddon".
Phillip would have had a stronger argument, if at least he himself was more worthy of the advanced tech.
He could have done a "take a third option" and make a non-lethal weapon (i don't know, a classic sci fi gun that just created something like a web t hold people in their place), Instead of a gun
Fun Fashion History fact from an old person: "Dorn's" goatee was Very unfashionable at the time. Through modern eyes, it suits the actor well and arguably gives him an air of power and attractiveness. But back then, a man in a suit with facial hair was confusing! Especially because it was half shaved, half beard. I'm sure the look confused viewers, which is one reason why I think it's amazing.
The blank-book test unfortunately points out one of the other big S4 problems: Time-filler NON-event fakeouts, where we spend a lot of gripping plot development setting up a big second-act goal, only to find out it's a big fat empty, audience-frustrating MacGuffin that simply exists to fill the void of a second act before getting back to the main plot in the third. Not so bad here, since the performances and the characters' rationalizations mean well, but we'll get a big, clear illustration of the problem later in "No Time Like the Past".
FanScription Request: “What If Desti was alive, but brainwashed?”
It’s an SMG4 FanScription.
Why the fuck would you think these guys care about SMG4 lore? Destiny wasn't even an interesting character.
I wish we could have gotten a remake of this episode by Stephen Spielberg in Twilight Zone the Movie instead of the lackluster "Kick the Can". Imagine a tracking shot like the one when Marty McFly arrives in futuristic Hill Valley showing off the full township and all the people using their weird technology in their day-to-day lives. Back to the Future meets The Tommyknockers.
This was the first episode I saw from the twilight zone.
Surprised they didn't wipe Helen's memory too ...
It would have made for a better gut punch ending if, as she watches him leave, she says to herself out loud "I wonder who that man was..."
This story was redone very, very loosely as the OUTER LIMITS episode "The Guests."
The way this town reacts to the information that was bestowed upon them proves they failed the test as badly as they insist the rest of humanity would. Being that uncomfortable about it means they can't handle it either. I assure you the protagonist missed nothing by leaving the town with no memory of his experience
I agree
It's good to see the Invisible Force Field is impervious to cigarettes, because cigarette manufactures were often TZ sponsors.
I like this one as well. Like I said in yesterday's episode, I do really like most of the hour long episodes. The Bard is bad, bad, bad. But, coming up, Jesse-Belle, Miniature, He's Alive, The New Exhibit, Printer's Devil, Of Late I Think of Cliffordville, On Thursday We Leave for Home, No Time Like the Past are pretty good episodes.
Personally I love this more debate centric episodes. It's one of the reasons I love shows like Star Trek and other sci-fi
Because of u I'm binge watching this.... I'm still in the first season right now... So far I'm on the perchance to dream... But anyways my fav so far has been the Mr death episode
Walter any chance you could make a TW quiz video for us. For example how many bewitched actors have appeared in TW and we have 5 seconds to guess or pause it to think.
Ellen was so fine, only second to Mya the cat lady from “Perchance to Dream”🥰
Every time I have to move something heavy or bulky, I think of the devices in this episode
I feel like this may have inspired Stephen King with both The Tommyknockers and Under The Dome. Actually, there are several episodes where I can see influences for King novels, so it's probably more than coincidence.
Aliens left everything except smart phones.
I like to think if he had not tried to take the book and just went on his way they probably would have let them go. Even if he told the outside world who would be believe him without proof?
Maybe, but others would at least show up to investigate.
We humans have an always seen our neighbors as our greatest foes. Whether down the street or thousands of miles away.
We have fought over petty reasons and justified it. Whether through religion, politics, rescource exploitation, or outright genocide.
Not all humans may be like this. However, most humans blindly follow, or accept complacency. All it takes is charismatic leaders with hoards of wealth, desperate people, blind devotion, and a lack of critical thinking for this cycle to repeat infinitely.
This town will self destruct eventually. One of their own will break the cycle and find a weakness. After all, the residents are only human.
History and it’s perception are always determined by the winners of war. And determines who’s left.
This would have been an amazing feature film. Plot like this needed more than just 60 minutes. It all seemed so rushed near the end and it left alot of loose ends.
I do wonder what the reason was for airing episodes out of order. I know there isn't any continuity but just a small thought
Apparently the Eagles were wrong, you can check out anytime you like and you can leave!
I like in a way this has the "Both Sides Have a Point" trope. Yes, this would be a gift for society but we have all seen society misuse such gifts and knowledge. So I don't blame the perspectives of Renfield or the townspeople. (To be fair they didn't kill him just removed the knowledge from him).
Some of the next episodes coming up are some of my favorites from this season, a couple in the top ten of the entire series.
All that technology, none to cure balding
This could have been an Outer Limits episode.
I wonder if this episode maybe was the inspiration for the EUReKA series
Basically, Bugs Bunny- a cartoon named: ‘Water, Water Every Hare.’