'We need to make it inconvenient to be unhealthy' | Feat. Esther Krakue & Michael Walker
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Esther says people who are obese should have to pay for NHS treatment, after it was revealed that the most overweight people cost the health service nearly £1,900 a year.
Jayne, a nurse in London, says obese people aren't the biggest drain on the NHS.
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I spent 23 years in the military, I played rugby until I was 42 years old, but in 2000 I was diagnosed with osteoarthritis in my ankles, my knees, my hips and in my spine, all caused by my activities during 😢military service, and I was also diagnosed with CPTSD, again following certain experiences during my military service. And I have spent several years in various mental health facilities, for treatment and for my own safety.
And now I have been waiting since 2015 for my hip replacement surgery, which was cancelled last Wednesday, because they said that I was obese, and my BMI was too high, yet when I protested the surgeon said it was my fault. And I tried to explain to him that since 2015 my mobility had decreased, and that I am now virtually immobile due to the increased pain and effects of the osteoarthritis throughout my body, and if the surgery had been done at the right time then I wouldn’t have been in this condition. And I also tried to explain that the constant pain levels fed into the CPTSD and caused me to suffer from very severe depression and anxiety periods. So given my military career were I was a military diver, and I was a military instructor, and that I also represented the army at playing rugby, I had never had any issues with my weight or my fitness levels. The weight only became an issue after the diagnosis and the on going effects of the osteoarthritis had on my ankles, knees, hips and spine, accompanied with the devastating effects on my life suffering from CPTSD.
So do you think and believe that I am to blame for my condition of obesity, and that I should be made to pay for any treatment or surgery that I need due to my medical and mental health problems. And just to clarify I started working and paying taxes from the age of 14, and I am now 71 years of age. But on your measure of personal responsibility, I should pay, but someone who has smoked, over indulged in alcohol or drugs should receive free treatment.
So should I beg for forgiveness and apologise to society for doing what I did throughout my life and during my military service, and should I just accept the pain and the suffering with the consequences and the effects of the CPTSD, and how it has effected my life and those around me, because I am a burden on the NHS and society, because I think that’s how people suffering from leprosy used to be treated in days gone by. But I’ve never smoked in my entire life, and I’m not suffering from the effects of alcohol abuse or drug abuse, but they should receive their treatment without question, and without any challenges or consequences, but because I couldn’t maintain my physical activity and I have gained weight I should be ostracised and condemned.
Thank you for your service. I can only apologise for the way you have been treated. I think the way surgery risk is assessed should be changed for those with a higher bmi or even it should scrapped and body fat percentage used instead. Although that might mean people like me can’t get surgery (skinny fat but low bmi). I have seen obese people be treated with contempt and it’s not fair. We don’t treat the root cause. The food environment the government has allowed means it’s almost impossible to have a healthy body fat. I think corporations should pay an obesity tax instead of the consumers.
Over weight people are sometimes stressed. Stop stressing people Mr government.
*Sometimes* food is a comfort for other things going on.
It's not normal to be overweight. This is a new problem. Britain never used to be like this. Speak to your grandparents. Sugar is one of the deadliest, most addictive substances you can consume. Worse than many drugs. Diet has far more impact than exercise. Also, it's not just what you eat but when you eat and how often that makes the difference.
Poor lifestyle choices ruin quality of life and put unnecessary burden on the NHS. Surround yourself with people who have better habits. They'll encourage you.
I think the amount of vegetable/cooking oils in everything nowadays contribute too. Look at the ingredients and you notice everything seems to have oils and sugars hidden.
We have sugar in everything these days. Even our bread
Whenever i go into hospital for an appointment most Nurses are obese. They are on their feet all day. So probably grab a sandwich or two. They know they have to keep fit and healthy.
A lot of food is unhealthy because of what manufacturers add into it. Many people can not cook these days because they live in one room so end up buying ready meals
Oh Esther, if it was only that simple.
Perhaps if she had no money, lived in a food desert with no support, tools or expertise, she would suddenly change her tune.
Isn't that what the Nazis said, it costs so many reichmarcs to look after a healthy person, but look at how much it costs for the disabled
What about the poorer people who can only afford cheap crap food they eat whatever they can all being high fat etc . I would love to go to the gym lovely but I simply cannot afford to pay. £50 sorry but you don’t have the right to dictate. There is treatment out there why do fat people pay but drug users don’t in fact it state give it to them
Well said. Somebody in a house share can’t spend an hour whipping up a healthy meal. It’s a cheap pre packaged pizza after a long 10 hour shift.
I think the gym is a red herring, it’s the food we eat that makes the biggest difference in our weight and mood.
Esther is right, it takes more than just a couple weeks of not exercises to gain 50 kilos. It also takes more than 2-3 months to lose 50 kilos. These are life choices that have to be made, long term.
Good companies need to be held to accountable for the preservatives and bulking agents contained within products
Well said Michael .
Exactly!! Where's Mike Parry the sloth
Chomping on sausages
Esther is pretty cold & cruel
But... do you agree with her views.?
You strip people from being moral agents by medicalizing it.
This Ester is just out of touch.. you can’t be so ignorant and emotionless..
By the way NHS also has huge budget for malnourished patients.. not sure what idea this Ester would suggest to solve it..
I’m sorry but this is discussing I went from an 8-10 to a 14 in a year due to severe health complications physical and neurological. I was in the gym most days and would go on walks I grow my own fruit and veg. It’s not my fault I struggle to get up and about now physically. It’s easy for her to say when she isn’t suffering and in pain and overweight, we don’t want to be!
It isn't black and white often. It is peoples personalities responsibility at the end of the day. A lot of things don't help though. Cheap processed foods, sedentary lifestyles etc.
Children were gien sweets by grandparents after the war
You can't have cheap socialised medicine when half the population are obese.
"I've been paying into the NHS all my life" doesn't stack up if you're on an average salary, needing several major surgeries and the remainder of your life on free medicine and benefits.
We need health MoT's as a prerequisite for receiving NHS healthcare and progressively lower cover for self-induced problems like smoking and eating too much. Slightly overweight is fine but obese and mega obese should receive far less coverage. Then spend the leftover money on health food subsidies.
Why should people who look after their health pay for someone else eating and smoking themselves into an early grave. It's this or privatisation
When both parents have to work to afford the bills they tend to make quick easy convenient foods with high hidden sugars in. We need to get back to one parent being able to look after their children whilst one parent works. This way a parent can have enough time to prepare and educate their children on eating healthy.
also genetics play a big role in obesity which is why we see obese parents with obese children. "They found that genetic variants in the gene BSN, also known as Bassoon, can raise the risk of obesity as much as six times and was also associated with an increased risk of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease and of type 2 diabetes"
If there is no medical reason for their weight. Also what about drug users and these are li drinkers these are life style choices.
Cost of living g is doing a good job of that😉
Well said Esther
No excuse stops you losing weight. As someone whos been extremely overweight at over 20st i know first hand. It's called either eating kcal dense foods, or an overactive knife and fork. If you cant move much through disability then eat less. Your body doesnt Randomly gain weight. You meed to be eating 3500kcals in excess of your daily metabolic rate at 1700kcals to gain 1lb of fat. The body works on energy balance, if you cant move as much you dont need to eat as much.