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- NORWAY'S PRISON SYSTEM: ‘The most important thing is how we treat people’ - Norway has developed a prison system that looks a bit different from that in the U.S., which has the world’s largest incarcerated population.
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There really is no point in comparing the US with civilised countries.
Facts
Excuse me while I go downvote everything else. This comment deserves more likes than I can give.
@@Mariocraft97 Thank you!
America does not remove ones hands for theft.
America does not behead lovers who have committed adultery.
America does not throw homosexuals off the building rooftops.
America does not beat women or children for begging in the streets.
We have a Constitution that provides for citizen rights and protections.
We have a legal system that provides for a fair, and speedy trial ,before a jury of one's peers.
We have different Courts, for different crimes.
We have different sentencing for the different crimes committed.
We have different prisons, for different types of inmates.
(White collar, minimum, maximum, and criminally insane...other types)
Not all inmates, are from America....treated the same.
Tell me, how many terrorists are imprisoned in Norway?
In America, we have quite a few, that came here to attack our country....kill Americans.
If Norway thinks we should turn the Christian cheek, and release them, then Norway won't mind taking them off our hands,
and they can rehabilitate them.
@@patcolin2 LOL! you compare your country to countries where they kill, behead people, and remove people´s hand for theft..?
OK, speakes for itself.
still, you´re asking.
"We take away their freedom, but not their humanity".
Yes the right system is not punishing the prisoner but the punishment should be being in prison
Iver Byrkjedal I said this in another comment, but yes, prisons in the U.S. basically strip away one’s humanity and send them back out into reality as if it isn’t their problem only to repeat the cycle again.
How is Anders Brevik doing ?
lolly pTON How is your comment relevant? The clip talks about an entire system and how it delivers, in the end, better results for the society. It is not about a single person.
lolly pTON He’s encaged like an animal. I’m sure people wouldn’t mind if he was excecuted, but not doing so is about principles. Which I suppose you wouldn’t understand.
I had a brother who spent a good portion of his life in prison in the US. When he was released, almost every employer would not hire him due to his record. He was forced to work in the lowest most physical jobs because those were the only jobs that he could get. He died at 49 working the back of a garbage truck. The week before his death, he called me and told me that he had to find a better job because working the back of a garbage truck was killing him. He died at 2:00 am from a heart attack in his sleep. We do not give these men a second chance and it is a tragedy!
Are you saying that people who do bad things have a more difficult life than people going good things?
@@pierredaccord6751 Not realy, but that people (in US) who had done a bad thing has nearly no chance of leaving the difficult life for at better one. If you are stuck in a bad position without chance of it getting better would you not consider taking a shortcut?
And everyone should have the opertunity to improve their life.
@@pierredaccord6751 he's trying to say his brother had no choices and is a victim.
@@jensolsson9666 But you do not live here, or understand there is more opportunity here than any place in the world. That opportunity is ready to be taken, but no one is going too spoon feed it to you. Playing victim just guarantees your failure. There is more money, more velocity of money ready to invest in small and medium businesses here than anywhere. There is free business modeling here through the Score Program via the SBA. You don't have to work for someone unless you choose to. You also don't give up your self esteem to anyone unless you choose to. Your false characterizations of our country is naive.
@@pierredaccord6751 Did not Jesus forgive those who took his life. We could be like countries who kill a person for stealing something small or give them a chance to become something better! The first rule of humanity is compassion. My brother managed to stay out of prison for the rest of his life until his death. He became a good man and did things the right way even though society chose to punish him over and over. I will not say his crime and do agree that those who commit horrendous crimes need to pay the price, but for those who are trying to change, give them on chance to make things right!
That last dude that just had the goal to live a good life 😭
I just got so emotional, he clearly fulfilled the goals of the prison.
Treating humans like humans is downright un-american.
Yeah the core of USA itself was built on colonization and slavery so its a no brainer that discrimination and oppression against the minorities still exist.
amen, fuck human rights and basic human dignity, we dont do that kind of stuff in america
@@picanha694 I'm American and I agree. There's something wrong with this country.
Sushi Midnight America was not united in freeing slaves, there was a Civil War.
Sushi Midnight I guess we’re not gonna talk about the fact that blacks still didn’t have rights, woman didn’t have rights, lgbt+ didn’t have rights, and everyone under the sun that wasn’t a white, cis, straight, Christian male didn’t have rights. So no, America was absolutely not united after the abolishment of slavery
These prisons are nicer than most American schools
Definitely less people getting shot
That guy s cell is nicer than my apartment, if it weren’t a prison I would pay to live there lol
This is actually nicer than most Norwegian schools and nursing homes.
Henrik Askeland nja... forskjellig fra kommune til kommune, og mange kommuner har brukt millioner på iPader og pc-er....
And nicer than homeless shelters and hostels for people who aren't criminals
Wow. Having had several close relatives in prison this video is inspiring. That is a prison system I would want to support and work for. You are giving the inmates an opportunity to live a better healthier life that they can build on once free instead of treating them like animals. So many have never experienced a healthy life and therefore keep repeating the only thing they know.
Exactly! Well said 👏
I feel very sorry for you. It must be very hard to think about your close relatives, and what they might be experiencing in prison. Most prisoners are victims themselves and had a harsh live. Everybody can make mistakes and deserves a second chance, imo. But in the USA it looks so hopeless- imagine you spend a few years in this prison hell. When you get released you have (most likely) more problems than before 😕
Greetings from Germany. Our prison system is similar to the Norwegian one, though not quite as relaxed
No shit U would like this, it's purely because you won't your relatives to have a better time in prison. You know what I would do if my relatives went to prison. I would never talk to them again. They would be out cast's from the family
This video is a total lie, the Norwegian prison system isn’t like this at all
@@HughMungus11
Is it a test/trial facility?
@@Boringcountrylife No, the facility in Norway that they show is just not at all an accurate representation of the Norwegian prison system
Answer from Morten Jørgensen
Good prisons”? Are you kidding me? You are American, I suppose?
Now, compared to the US prison system, Norwegians prisons are of course “good”. So what? We generally don’t measure ourselves by American standards in Europe. For that matter, there are many prison systems in other countries which are even worse than most prisons in the US. Should we compare ourselves to Brazil, Rwanda or Venezuela, perhaps?
I believe you may be basing the question on the debunked - by Norwegian experts and academics - the Business Insider report [1] and/or maybe (most likely) Michael Moore’s absurd depiction of Norwegian prisons and Norway in general in What country to invade next?
Michael Moore’s documentary included footage from Bastøy, which is a model prison, but Bastøy is by no means a typical Norwegian prison. It’s an exception. The fact that it is located on an isolated island is the main explanation for the freedom of movement the inmates do indeed enjoy there. And no, the vegetable gardens of Bastøy prison was not established by the Norwegian prison authorities. Bastøy used to be an orphanage, and an absolutely horrid one at that. [2] The gardens kept the orphanage and later the prison costs down.
Here are some facts:
Most Norwegian correctional facilities are old, and many of them in decay, after years of neglect. The modern Halden facility of 2013 [3] is the first new prison to be built in decades. (mugg = mould, sopp = fungi) [4][5]
The prison system of Norway has (by the left and the right alike) been subject to austerity measures (nedskjæringer) [6] for decades[7] , something the national union of wardens has been very concerned about. [8][9]
Norwegian prisons are over-crowded,[10] inasmuch as the Norwegian Justice Department has had to rent a detention center in the Netherlands for no less than 242 inmates, mostly non-Norwegians. Some of the inmates’ lawyers called it a human rights violation.[11] Even the Norwegian government's own watchdog, the Parliamentary Ombudsman for Public Administration, declared in a report it is in breach of the inmates’ human rights. [12]
85 % of Norwegian inmates suffer from a mental disorder (depression, personality disorders etc), or ailments like Tourette’s and ADHD and get no or little treatment. [13] Medication is the only help they get. Suicides are not uncommon. [14][15]
The treatment of psychiatric inmates is abysmal. [16] Some have to pee and defecate in a bucket, get virtually no therapy, are only permitted to leave their old and bleak cells once a day, take a shower once a week, and are heavily sedated. [17] Most become even more violent or ill. Suicide attempts are frequent, and sometimes inmates will succeed.
Drug abuse is prevalent, even rampant some places. [18] Formerly clean or just weed-smoking inmates may be released as drug addicts or with drug debts, even being forced by gangs to become repeat offenders. Yes, we do have gangs [19] in Norway too.
7 out of 10 repeat offenders commit new crimes after release, and return to prison. [20]
Norwegian custody practice has repeatedly and sharply been criticized by the EU for human rights violations.[21] [22]
And yes, Norwegian human rights activists are claiming the Norwegian prison system is in reality still built on punishment, not rehabilitaion, despite all the fancy words from our politicians, a tall tale which the facts-defying Mr. Moore bought hook, line and sinker.[23] [24]
But… Can we expect the Halden model to be an indication of change for the better? We cannot. Austerity and cuts will continue, as warden Ingeborg Kivle regretfully stated in an interview from May 6, 2018.[25] 210M NOK have been cut since 2014, while investments of 2-4B are needed.[26]
In the meantime, gullible foreign journalists are led to Halden fengsel aka the Norwegian politicians’ propaganda showroom.
As for Mr. Moore’s current intense love story with Norway, you can read all about it here, including his ridiculous interpretation of Norwegian wardens singing We are the world:
Morten Jørgensen's answer to Why do many people think that European Nordic countries are socialist?
If that’s not enough for you, you might want to read this:
Morten Jørgensen's answer to Are there any Americans who know that Sweden and Switzerland are not the same place and that Denmark and the Netherlands are also not the same place?
Get real, Americans. You are making fools of yourselves.
For more FACTS about Norway, check out my Quora blog:
NORWAY EXPLAINED:
Your guide to Norway and Norwegians by Morten Jørgensen.
Footnotes
[1] Norge er ikke bedre på tilbakefall
[2] King of Devil's Island - Wikipedia
[3] Hjem
[4] Oslo fengsel angrepet av sopp
[5] Mugg og porøse vegger - fanger rømmer eldgamle fengsler
[6] - Budsjettet er en styrt nedbygging av kriminalomsorgen
[7] Etter fire år med trange budsjetter forventer KDI-direktøren ytterligere kutt
[8] Fengselsansatte frykter for sikkerheten etter nye kutt
[9] Knusende rapport om Norges tilstand: Forfall på 2600 milliarder
[10] Flere innsatte må trolig dele celler i norske fengsler
[11] - En trist dag for norsk kriminalpolitikk
[12] Norske fanger ikke sikret mot tortur og umenneskelig behandling
[13] Forskningen i fengsel
[14] Flere selvmord i norske fengsler
[15] - Flere selvmord i norske fengsel kunne vært unngått
[16] Kronikk: De psykisk syke i fengsel
[17] (+) Fengselsforbundene bekymret for innsatte i isolasjon
[18] Store mengder narkotika i norske fengsler
[19] Ny gjeng truer Oslo
[20] Syv av ti gjenganger-kriminelle havner tilbake i fengsel
[21] Norsk varetekt er i strid med menneskerettighetene
[22] - Norske glattceller bryter med menneskerettighetene
[23] Farlig og dyr kriminalpolitikk
[24] Eksperter: Psykisk syke og barn skal ikke låses inne
[25] Har jobbet med Norges farligste menn i 25 år - nå slår hun alarm
[26] Knusende rapport om Norges tilstand: Forfall på 2600 milliarder
The prison system is just so broken in the US that once you get caught in it, it’s nearly impossible to keep yourself out of it because your record follows you
That’s not a US only problem, Norway has this too and where I come from, a European country similar to Norway, a criminal record hamper your social ability
@@HughMungus11it should hamper a person if they commit violence. If they didn’t act like trash they wouldn’t get treated like trash.
@@incognito2107 you're projecting
yes and no, depends what you did.
Norway is a country, though, with citizens, America is a business, with employees.
True statement
Yup
Yawn.
Norway is over 80% Norwegians. cant have nice prisons in a multicultural place
@@monkeyjackmonkeyjack3779 Studies have shown that 80% of Americans are American
Treat people like humans and they'll act like humans
Treat people like animals and they'll act like animals
@Sage OneX Bruh i facepalm very hard looking at this comment he meant in physocological way not physical
@Sage OneX Facepalm used to something stupid i know what you meant but he said it in physocological way of human not the physical body of human
@Sage OneX And i literally already answer your question
Sage OneX I think he meant if you had a conversation, showed them some resources and helped them out they’d be a lot better, more productive, probably wouldn’t do what they did again and probably would give back more to society, etc. If you beat them down constantly for doing ‘the bad,’ they’ll probably end up with more problems when they get out, or would go on day by day harbouring that anger until someday they snap. Admittedly OP could’ve used a better statement, I think he meant: “if you treat a human like a rabid/feral animal, you’ll get a rabid/feral animal. Idk if that’s what you were going for and I am sorry if nothing makes sense. Have a good day, and stay positive y’all.
Sage OneX ...idk how to respond to this, so I’m pretty sure I’m the big dum-dum here. Agreeably, OP could have worded it a little better, and so could’ve I. Overall tho, it’s a metaphor, there’s more meaning behind the words the poster said. Here’s my best translation in this context dummed down: treat someone nice, they’ll likely end up nice. Treat them like excrement, and they’ll possibly end up excremen-tating (lol) over everyone else. I might’ve dummed it down too much, but eh
It's really easy to think "They treat them so nicely." when in reality they just treat them as human beings.
And Norway has little diversity. When you have common culture, norms and values, you don’t have as much violent crime. US has large non-European populations. Guess what…..
@@joehoncho8557 Yes, we have very homogenic societies in Scandinavia, but that is also because we actually integrate foreigners into our society and learn them our values and norms, thus, they become assimilated within a generation or two. Whereas in the US people are prejudice and racist, which creates a multitude of societies and cultures within the same country.
@@NEEEEEJ America used to be a melting pot and then the liberals started chanting that diversity is our strength which celebrates tribalism and says assimilation is not good. America is not racist but those that want excuses for their failures have spread that lie.
@@joehoncho8557 No, America used to be a slave nation with obvious racially motivated laws, it has never been a melting pot: You had institutionalized and legalized racism, and you still have institutionalized racism - it is simple history, not up for debate.
@@NEEEEEJ how many years did you live in America?
I see value in having officers trained as social workers. To my knowledge many lower level offenders in the US have untreated mental health conditions, substance dependency, homelessness. Seeing Norway’s approach to corrections really illuminated the unmet necessities our society has in the US
I suspect a lot of US prison officers and guards have mental illnesses as well. Some of the violence is utterly barbaric.
You can’t compare the Norwegian prison system with the US system .
As said by a wise man. “America is a third world country with a Gucci belt”.
ive seen that comment too
People who say that haven’t been to a third world country lmao- somebody who’s been and lived in a third world country but not lives in America
bro every prison is like the usa Norway is doing way too much
@@zayquanjones5949 youre just jealous of them
@@BoneItis639 why would i be jealous of jail
I love how the Norwegian guards are so soft spoken... but then it cuts to the American woman and she just yells into the camera.
Americans like to be heard!
@@galaxi407 uhhh huh
@@galaxi407 You guys just yell
@@galaxi407 Sure, but it's usually not worth listening to what Americans have to say since, on average, a good chunk of them are extremely ignorant and only like to hear the sound of their own voice.
@@Saturnia2014 says the most ignorant sounding person here.
Norway also has the “drunk driver” completely in control. I lived there for over 3 years. And if anyone was caught over the limit it was a mandatory 2 weeks in jail. Everybody knows that when people go away for 2 weeks it’s not for a vacation. 3rd offense you lose your license. In Oslo on New Years night the main highway into downtown Oslo to and from, had 2 taxi’s - nothing else! Whoever we invited to our place for supper there was always one in the couple who was the designated driver. You must also remember that Norway is a significantly smaller Country than the U.S. also in the States in the Reagan years - there was the 3 strikes and your out - which caused immense overcrowding in the prison systems. And, one of the main issues is that the US Prison system is privately owned.
in other words, norways policies work because they have about 3 people in the country, understood.
I lived in Oslo for 6 years and i have never seen so many drunk drivers anywhere else. And i have never seen one being stopped by the police. Im talking friday evenings and saturdays. Nobody cares about a drunk driver in Oslo.
@@muodyadept4447 well, times have changed since I lived there.
@@rosemarymonty5399 So, as of today, is it under control or not?
@@cyril4046 the drunk driving is still under control, wouldn’t even know who’s drunk&who isn’t because they’re that much in control!
I heard a saying that kind of relates to the US prison system: "Lock away someone in a cage and give them nothing to make better choices, don't be surprised if a wild animal comes out."
Give a criminal a nice bead and heat floors and they will do the come again because prison wasn't that bad, also murders are animals before they go to prison
@@Lucas_70 Murderers might be, but what about thiefs, non-violent drug dealers and all the low-level crimes? Should they be second-class citizens for the rest of their lives too?
@@Lucas_70 Dumbest comment in the world. They’re still locked out without freedom for years.
@@Lucas_70 It's like you completely skipped over the part that Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rate in the world. Please at least watch the video and turn your brain on before commenting.
@@Lucas_70 I don't think the courts are going to fall for that one.
Big Difference: Norway actually tries to rehabilitate its citizen. United States profiting off its citizens.
Well in many US states, they are actually not citizens, any longer, since they are not allowed to vote. Some states even take away their right to vote, for life.
how can you profit , it will cost more than welfare
@@mrsmith7936 Heres a simple fact: The more people in jail, the more funding Police, Prisons, and other groups get. Why would you ever wanna stop that? The U.S is the only 1st world country that literally profits off of having such a high incarceration rate when a good portion of its incarcerated are for minor, non serious crimes.
@@PhantomMite but it would be cheaper to have them on welfare, the money saved can still go to other anti-white groups in America
@@mrsmith7936 Its actually not. Prisoners are free labor.
Sad when being in prison in Norway is better than life for most Americans.
Im all for this and prison reform but one thing that doesnt sit right with me is what would you feel if someone molested your daughter or killed your friend? Would you want them to go here?
@@bejarny8636 I think that is not what the prison in this video about. I think the on on the video is about observation and rehabilitation. Based from the video, crime is a product of something wrong inside the criminal. Can be money, social, mental, medical, or something else. This will become a further study in psychology study and law. Basically, its a safe place to redicover themselves without any prejudice while reafiming his value against society value and start making personal progress from there. As i am not a norwegian, and i am not a law affiliated worker, i'm not sure what kind punishment the put there, but there must be some acitvity or work as a form of compensation in there.
@@bejarny8636 That's the thing here. Victims of crimes expect revenge but revenge doesn't solve the issue. It does not prevent future crimes. What you want is to reduce the number of crimes so that you don't have to send people to prison. There is no point in putting a molester in a shitty prison environment for 10 years so that he can do it again once he's out. Also, death penalty doesn't solve anything either since nobody commits a crime thinking they'll get caught.
@@itssilence9998 you drop this 👑
@@itssilence9998 the punishment is that you aren't free
this is one of the reasons i love my country... Norway do it best when it comes to taking care of its own.... a former inmate is just as good as everyone else.. and that is accepted by the people to... im proud to be a Norwegian
You do know that this isn’t an accurate representation of the prison system in your country right?
So if someone rvped and mvrdered your daughter, you would want that man to be given a good life? You'd want him to have a second chance?
That is weakness disguised behind virtue signaling. Too week to defend your child and too weak to seek justice. Pathetic.
@@HughMungus11 do you know that as a fact?
What about victims? Don't they want revenge? I don't know about norwegian culture so...
@@Ennen-wx7fe if you want revenge you dont press charges and deal with the accused yourself..... if you press charges and the accused gets inprisoned you have accepted that PRISON are the revenge and punishment for the crime.... thats how it suppose to work!!! all over the world!... but some have manners and some dont.-. Norwegians trust our system, our punishment system and all.... we have a NON existing re-offender stat compared with example usa.... dont you think a prisoner that is ill treated in prison by the prison system wants revenge on EVERYONE that sendt him there? NOT the case here in Norway... its all about creating GOOD neighbours.. cuz the inmate maby move in to your next door house... so be smart... and as i see it,,,,, the US system is a long long way from a smart system
It’s just different when your country actually cares about all of its people, not just a select few.
That's because some countries are required to care, while others aren't.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 It helps when the country has a population of about 3 people, compared to 350 million people, this shouldnt be difficult to understand, a lot of obtuse people here.
Prison is big business here. And business’s own this nation we call home. Simple as that. Norway actually wants to make things better.
Norway is more focused on bettering society. The US is focused on bettering profits for share holders. Prisons should never be for profit corporations. It automatically demands repeat offenders.
Yeah, you could see the face of one of the 'visitors'. He found the store was a good idea. The only thing he seemed to remember. Again profit... and probably worse conditions for the poor than it already is. Smh. I try, but probably will never understand the US.
@@v_nix /We in the US, don't understand either. Except that we have all been grossly lied to and manipulated, by people that want to keep us enslaved. So much for the US being a place for freedom. It is time for a lot of changes.
Everything is big business there, healthcare, prison, education....
@@dinats-7122 I wish and hope you achieve your goals. Stay safe. 🤞🌹
So Norweigan prison is like "Ok you've made mistakes. Now, you get to do a tutorial mode and practice on adult life."
lol
If it works,it works.
Practice adult
Imagine you had to repeat the tutorial in a game everytime you died
This is good for people who can actually be rehabilitated but not all can be and not all should be forgiven. If hitler never shoot himself then I'd wanna see him suffer and not live in a Norwegian prison.
I've done 5 years, 1 year in solitary confinement, none of that has deterred me from going back to jail, if I was in a prison like this I feel like this it would have made all the difference....great job norway!!
Maybe you should have been a decent person and made a positive contribution to society and you wouldn’t have gone to prison in the first place. Grow up and take responsibility for yourself.
@@snydedon9636 And you think speaking in this manner gives you some moral high ground. The reality is you lack any decency and I sincerely doubt you have done anything to contribute to society yourself. I love the irony of your narcissism.
@@MIKEDOG620 thanks, glad you enjoyed my comment.
Mount hat is even your idea of responsibility or growing up? What vague, shallow, and insulting comment that avoids the issue here. This person is an example of the fact that the prison system didn’t work for him.
@@UnkindledTarnishHunter that's exactly why. HE doesn't like it so thats why he feel his comment matters.
It doesn't. But he thinks so. Meurica
the whole world could learn from scandnavian countries goverments in every aspect from healthcare to prison reform to goverment and economies
" every aspect from healthcare to prison reform to goverment and economies"
there just one deal breaker, it requires an impressive lack of corruption, to make local and state government etc efficient enough for it to work.
one that for some reason deters most politicians and interest groups. wonder why.....
@@crazydinosaur8945 yeah it is sad just wish we all could be less short sighted as a species and learn from seeing what others have done and tried and what works more and not from greed and curruption.
Has anyone else noticed how polite and soft spoken the Norwegians were, as opposed to Americans who were vexingly loud when they spoke.
A reason for this could be that the Norwegians were prison guards, who are trained to speak in a manner that is calm and non-confrontational.
Have you ever traveled to a latin country? Trust me: Americans are well behaved in general.
Peter LB l travelled to Oslo and everybody(the native, white, blond, blue eyed) was like that.
jean valjean That’s a good joke.
jean valjean yeah yeah we Get it you and hitler have the same type
I mistook the 1st guy as an employee, but he's an inmate. Wow!!!
Both?
@@oliver-04 not the guy in the blue shirt, he’s an employee
@@davidonaldo or is he
@@jelstudios8365 I guess we'll never know
Same hahaha
Norway has a social safety net far beyond anything the United States has. Poverty and inequality need to be addressed alongside improving prisons.
Because they are a homogenous country
@@taramoon9307 so you can't have that in a diverse society? We can only thrive when everyone looks the same? I do not accept that.
@@taramoon9307 can people make up their minds. is scandinavia 1 homogenous or 2 being totally overrun by migrants
@@theWZZALook, act, and Think the same. That's why those countries thrive.
The US was never a "melting pot". We're 200 different tribes all fighting over the same herd of deer. That's the natural result of "diversity".
Lies again? Net Flix Norway Fish
This is what you get, when the prisons are run properly and not as a business for profit....
“The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons.”
― Fyodor Dostoevsky
Wonderful thought!
This is so true. I've been thinking of something along the lines of "judge a society by how the society judges it's deviants" for a while now.
You can’t make a prison civilized in America....
Look at the inmates here, and the inmates we have in the US. There is NOOO comparison
@@edan_alexander119 You don't think it has something to do with how they're treated differently?
Seems to me there's reciprocating respect from these inmates.
I mean, you can't do it in one go. Norway has spent years to reach this point. But it has to start somewhere, right?
Facts: Low recidivism rates = safer society + less tax money spent + happier individuals
Private prisons: NO THANKs
And all these years I have been told that the US is the greatest country on earth. We are the real deal....the real shithole country.
Yes. *Punishment for the sake of punishment, without purpose is just stupid.*
Death penalty does NOT set an example. Look at the countries with death penalties and it did nothing to stop crime. Japan incriminates people on light charges and executes them and still they harbor the biggest criminal organization in the world (Yamaguchi-gumi Yakuza) which is protected by and do the dirty work for the ultra-right Japanese government. China executes criminals like its going out of style yet that doesn't stop it from being a cesspool of criminality. America has improved its crime rate since the 90s, and it still has 10 times the murder rate of South Korea (5.0 murdered per 100,000 compared to SK's 0.5).
Because private prisons are BUSINESS, and business wants to keep going and grow, grow, grow
Sad thing is, the free market causes this. The free market is a solution to many things, not everyeverything. Health? No. Justice? No.
Rehabilitation is like Curing the desease. There is a lot more profit to be made in keeping people coming back for more.
Basic economics .
Here in the U.s. I knew a dude who went in for something rather minor and wasn't supposed to be in long. He was raped and ended up with aids and died a couple years later. This has to end.
When you lock somebody up in a small cage like a wild animal, it only stands to reason they’ll act like wild animals when you let them out.
Exactly,so don't let them out
I hope someone says the same shxt to u whenever you go to prison or jail
Even as a Norwegian this makes so much sense. Those are going to be someone’s neighbor some day. Where do you want them to have served their sentence?
My neighbour was once in prison here in Finland for shooting a man in the leg. When he got out, the next day our other neighbour who is a brisk lady told him to tidy up the bush fence between their properties and he did so immediately without complaining.
I'd be proud
Imagine a murderer that spent 10 years in a cozy einvoirenment, he killed somebody because of impulsivness, if he had faced harsh punishment he ll think twice before killing again, if he stayed in a norvegia prison he won t bother much with murdering you over trivial stuff since it s gonna be another 10 yrs vacation
@@justanaverage1762 if you stayed in a harsh environment for 10 years with prisoners that want to hurt you and cops that want to hurt you. You would be agressive so as they would be scared of you. But what about when you leave prison? You will be aggressive towards others and cause more crime. But if you did a crime and had to stay away from people you love (your children, girlfriend/boyfriend, friends) you would be sad that you can't see them plus living in a studio apartment looking cell. You would want to better yourself I wouldn't call this a vacation more like rehab tbh
Denis : Oh there is so much wrong with your comment! So much ignorance.
They have tried treating prisoners like animals in believe that they don’t commit more crimes. Well it doesn’t work! 70 % commit new crime vs 20 in Norway.
Try spending 30 days in this prison! I can guarantee you will not view this as a vacation. You will be locked to your cell at least 12 hours or more per day, and more in the weekends. The rest isn’t actually freedom either.
Compare murders per million in the US vs Norway. You will see how ignorant your comment is.
Norway: the best part of being a correction officer seeing progress with the inmate and watching them grow as a person.
America: the best part of being a correction officer is bashing some heads in and seeing some action.
Like in Hollywood movies. Fantasy becomes reality. Correction officers watch too much movies.
You forgot sneaking in drugs and phones for major profits
Lol
@@JackSonagain101 King $$$$$ again so sad thank god we here r all looked after EUROPEAN COUNTRIES they can keep their n°1 economy in USA
💯💯💯💯
Our prison system makes me ashamed to be an American.
This is such an amazing way to help people! I truly wish the us would consider that we all need a push
here we go, someone from the suburbs.
There’s a saying, in which this rehabilitation progress works;
“Surround yourself by 5 hobby chefs, and you become the 6th
Surround yourself by 5 investors, and you become the 6th
Surround yourself by 5 thugs, and you become the 6th”
They removed the criminality around them, and instead made them surrounded by people who were working on their future, so he becomes also an inmate who works on his future
That's a good idea to spread. Very realistic and true
KLC Jr Pueyo-Morales yeah thays what they’re doing right?
American prisons are gladiator schools. You have almost no choice but to be surrounded and engulfed in the criminality surrounding you. Trying to succeed otherwise throws you to the wolves to defend yourself and that will change any man or women. I spent time in a youth prison in Canada and it was the same thing, just a bunch of gang bangers preying on people. You are either with or against them. Fuck the system, I am so glad I got out of that life, it wasn't me. I was pretending to be somebody I wasn't. I feel bad for the other people who never find themselves and are stuck living that life until their ultimate demise.
@Preston Newcomb I mean, if you treat plastic like garbage, it'll come out garbage if you treat plastic like something recycle able, it can one day become a functioning water bottle
In order to be great you have to provide yourself with the environment to be great
American: "Prison should be worse than the outside or people will commit crimes to get in."
Norwegian: "This IS worse than the outside. Welcome to Norway."
I have seen a lot of people say this prison looks like a 5 star hotel, and I feel bad for Americans if is 5 star hotel for them, I'd say it's 3 at most.
-A Dane
@@33link333 Honestly, I'd call it a hostel.
- A Finn
@@33link333 You are aware that they are being hyperbolic right? This looked like 3.5 or 4 stars
This is golden.
I mean no matter how nice you make the prison they still take your freedom, I'd rather be homeless on the street than in prison, with exceptions of extremes like the far north etc
Imagine having a system full of corruption, violence and one that specializes in dehumanizing prisoners and we wonder why ZERO rehabilitation happens.
I'm studing Anthropology, this is vital for human ethics. Bravo for your education!
See America? Norwegian prisoners protested against unfair conditions and the country decided to redo the whole system, rather than retaliate with more force.
Ever wonder why prison is so bad? So I don’t wanna go back, some people with no money would commit crimes to move into these types of prisons to live
@@Just4Motivati0n yeah, that's why countries like Norway actually care about making sure that nobody is poor in the first place. For example Finland will just give you a home if you're homeless until you can work things out. Seems to be working just fine for them.
@@Just4Motivati0n but recidivism rate is much higher in the US compared to Norway, so clearly Norway's system is better
Zero Logic 100% agree but I’m trying to say that the America can’t do this til they fix that first
@@Just4Motivati0n they can do both at the same time I guess. It doesn't really matter if a few people exploit the system at first.
They are truly about rehabilitation while in america they're about the money received to house prisoners. Private prisons a big business
Only 8.4% of American prisoners are in private prisons.
Do crime rates are low because Nordic countries are almost completely singular in culture and ethnicity
kilo it’s 8.4% too many
Cameron Kidde But it’s not the cause of the problem -it’s a symptom
Porter Johnson that is wrong actually, only 83% off the population is norwegian the other 17% is «other european» and «other»
A huge problem here in the USA is that they have privately owned prisons which equates to prison for profit.
Unites states is a global disgrace, you guys elected a game show host for president. 😮
I work with a former prisoner in norway, and i have never been in prison myself. his sentnce was 3 year behind bars (it would be alot more in usa). Today he have his own appartmetnt, he is working and he have rolex watches totally legally traded. He is a great workmate for me, and i just loves to work with him.
these guards are so kind. they treat the prisoners like actually humans.
Agreed they all seem like people you'd want to hang out with.
Chris Watson Yo imagine them going to our school as a substitute.
“Jeremiah, why did you cut his hair?”
“He kept being annoying.”
“Ok Jeremiah. Please go to the next room.”
Next room has teachers calmly explaining scenarios they should have done instead of getting in trouble, complimenting them for trying to get the right answer/not scolding them if wrong.
Ik it is downright unacceptable 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That’s called a heart ❤️
Because they're not criminal
As a correctional officer in the U.S. this made me cry. It’s incredibly dangerous at my facility and this is inspiring.
Really makes you think about psychological aspect on both sides. This seems almost too good to be true. As a correctional officer in the US not a day goes by where your means to resolve isn’t called into action. Offenders come in so many walks of life and so does staff. Though this sounds promising this video doesn’t dive into use of force, mental health solutions/alternative , min to max security settings but I’m feeling the contact officer’s role.
@@hmoffu4223 Well, althought im by no means an expert, I would say that most of the problems that you mentioned have a lot to do with the enviroment in which a person has to live. Of course there are some psychos or really troubled individuals in Norway and I imagine that the conditions for them in prison are in some ways different.
But in a lot of places, and america is one of them, prisons seem to be jungles, so the people that enter the enviroment have to adapt in order to survive. That means, or you try your best to become an amoral sociopath, or you wont make it. Fear, violence, trauma are normal and extended, and that deteriorates severly the mental health of everyone involved. So I think that what they are trying to do in Norway has two effects, in one hand you improve the conditions of prisoners and workers, and by doing so, people behave better because they dont have to be animals but human beings. So I dont think that they need to use force as usually.
Im sure that there are problems in the norwegian penitentiary system, but i think that they're in the right path.
Since you have watched this, you probably know there is a lot of other clips on YT regarding norwegian prison. This one might be the most interesting for you if you already hav`nt seen it. A norwegian prison officer (seemed in this video) do a informative speach in a american prison to the staff. It is a part of series, where he visit a prison in america, after a american officer first visited a norwegian prison. czcams.com/video/pB037gVIpJc/video.html
@@hmoffu4223 I think the key word comes in the last few seconds at 8:54: *Hope*.
In the US, most prisoners know that once released there is no support for them, and finding a job or place to live will be much more difficult with a criminal record. Hopeless people commit more crimes.
In a completely different but related way, studies have found that soldiers wounded in battle (even permanently disabled) rarely ask for narcotic pain killers. This is in stark contrast to civilians with say, back injuries. The difference again, is hope. Soldiers expect they will return to a hero's welcome, and will be taken care of - nothing but hope for the future. But a working mother struggling to pay rent who will likely lose her job due to her injury will tend to feel hopeless, and is much more likely to seek an 'escape'.
@@pimpampum9968 Psychos as you say, aren't allowed in prisons in Norway. We have health care for them.
I think that is beautiful on how you guys are sincerely compassionate about humanity. The way you allow just the simple amenities brings worlds of healthy mental health!
Way to go! I’m so thankful for you!
I noticed the Officers title is "Contact Officer" that in itself sends a message. I worked for a 32 years in a prison in America and we are making head way but we still have room to grow. It was nice seeing staff from the State of Washington there to tour the Norway Prison and take best practices home.
so, you would be ok with someone who murdereed an entire family going shopping for ice cream and then back to their comfortable apartment? what exactly did you do in the "system", take bribes to pass along phones and drugs? or werent you paid? just threatened into it? ok motorcyle man lol.
Its so strange how Norway has these amazing prisons and yet they have the lower reconviction rate out of the two countries. You'd think people would be less scared to go to prison so they would commit more crimes with less care. But since they get treated properly, with respect, like everyone else, they leave the prison a better person than they ever were and realise that there's no need for crime. Unlike in America where they get treated like animals in cages, so they come into the prison messed up in the head and leave even worse, with their life in dismay and they just resort to crime again
Not only that, in Norway they get a chance to work for an actual job when they get released, which is better than US prisons where a conviction goes around with you your entire life, but in Norway, they WANT you to have a second chance, where some prisoners never had a first chance
If you release a prisoner from this kind of prison, he'll probably be a better person.
If you release a prisoner from an American prison, he'll probably become better at doing crimes. Probably killing witnesses, so he won't go back to jail.
Some things I've seen in American movies is that people would rather die than going back to prison.
I'm sure that some real people think like that. Just let that sink in.
@@labinot1363 Dont believe everything you see in Movies, also killing witnesses after being released would be literally pointless
@@jbardouc808 no, I mean killing witnesses after doing a crime again. Maybe he didn't kill them the first time - - > got in prison. Doesn't want to go again - - > kills them.
@@labinot1363 But that would just create a new crime for them to go to prison for which is a huge risk
Degrading inmates, and taking away their personal dignity does not help people to change for the better. It makes them angry and primitive. It changes them for the worse.
The sad part is it’s obvious that’s the whole point... they don’t want those people reintegrated into society. Modern slavery.
In my opinion, if you rape/kill/kidnap people, you don't deserve good things.
But how could we do something like this in the US, though? Its a huge country, and it will inevitably have a large prison population. Norway has a small population, and as far as I can tell, this prison has few inmates.
@Thomas Y
While it is more expensive, most prisoners that leave stay out, while most US prisoners return. If the US stopped putting pot smokers behind bars, used some budget for something other than big guns, and focused on rehabilitation over imprisonment, then it would be more than possible.
Also doesn't the US extract more oil than Norway anyway?
yeah like waking homeless people up in the shelters at six in the morning seven days a week, no days off, no holidays. damn. it's a thing in the US. it's supposed to help you GIT TO WORK. well if i had work no prob. if not, it's not necessary but there is no relief from that horrid schedule. elderly shelter residents die like flies. hmmmm....not good. a change is gonna come.
wow an actual prison that focuses on rehabilitation instead of punishment and making funds off of humans, that's sadly rare.
These CO's at the Norway Prison here are like Angels and best friends too all these Inmates here in the Norway Prison and if I get into any trouble here I want to go too Norway Prison because this Prison helps more then any Prison out in the USA!
lol
I was reading a book about this earlier (Humankind: A Hopeful History by Rutger Bregman), and one of the main criticisms of these prisons are they are very expensive to run. It costs the prison an avg. of $60,151 per incarceration per inmate, whereas in the United States, its closer to $30,000. But, because the recidivism rate is so low, the Norwegian inmates save the government on avg. $71,226. Furthermore, people that are jailed in Norway and then released are much more prepared to be reintroduced into society, and are much more likely to find a job. This saves the government an estimated $67,086 per inmate, as they're not relying on welfare and social services. So while it is expensive at first, it's an investment that pays off in the long run, often paying for itself 2 times over.
This means that the money given to these prisons by Norwegian taxpayers aren’t wasted, but in a certain sense earned back
Almost speechless...simply stunning
Wow, you save ~70k for treating humans like humans?
Are these numbers from that book? Genuinely interested in them.
@@Anubrogue Yes it is. The book is not directly about prison systems, or really anything to do with it. But there is a chapter towards the end called The moral of this chapter is basically that being kind to those who have wronged you is proven to one of the most effective ways to deal with their actions.
As an American I don’t understand why other people in this country don’t see the obvious benefits of having a prison like this
I think it has to do with the people. They didn’t send a mass murderer to that prison, only smaller crimes. A mass murderer who is already messed up in the head would abuse that system so much
@@fortnitegamespg3471 It's a maximum-security prison.
@@fortnitegamespg3471 the prison in the video is max-sec. There are mass murderers in there.
Norways biggest mass murderer gets the exact same treatment....
Fortnite GamesPG how would they abuse the system?
5:16 it has no context with the video but i had a loading screen at this moment and now i can't stop singing....
it's about drive it's about power😅
In the intro to this video, it is written about two murders of prison guards around 1990.
The first killer served his sentence, but was never released.
He died in prison in November 2019.
The other killer continued as a criminal, after he was released.
He was in a prison in Trondheim.
On June 1, 2022, he was given a few hours' leave from prison, but he did not return.
(It was not his first leave from prison)
After seven days on the run, he was arrested again.
I have written about these killings here and elsewhere. So I will not go into the cases now.
Yeah don't get me wrong, Norway's government is not perfect, but the failings you're describing here are more attributable to the Norwegian politicians and their ideological modern liberalism rather than failings of the Norwegian prison system. I absolutely support the death penalty for MOST murderers (obviously not those who killed their abuser after a long period of abuse, and it's in the public interest to give lighter sentences to killers who only carry out hits on other criminals provided that they never kill any innocents [it discourages them from killing witnesses]) and I DON'T support being overgenerous with light sentences or leave from prison, but I DO support these Norwegian prisons, that overall, have a very good track record of rehabilitating criminals, not having riots, and having low recidivism rates.
That's it, I'm moving to Scandinavia. America is just way too bonkers.
As long as you contribute to society, you are very welcome. :)
@Yuko Tester Of course it does. It's not just come and get whatever, but if you behave and contribute, you can become a citizen in a few years.
You steal a car in Oslo and get to play cards with the blond lady.
Good luck, America isn't capable of voting competent leaders in charge. You'll never be allowed to leave at the rate Covid is going. Then, the people are too damn stupid to shut up and wear a mask too.
Ja klar
There are people in the US that mistook the Norway flag for the Confederate flag.
I think that's all you need to know as to where we're currently at in society.
Are you sure they aren't 4chan trolls? I've seen actual 4chan trolls planning to attack the norwegian flag for being the confederate flag.
@@eken1725 Nope, many Americans are that ignorant. When you are brainwashed into believing your country is the best place ever, and that nothing outside it matters, then you will live in a bubble of ignorance and misconceptions.
@@norwegiangooner6521 wait! What news was that?
Johan Öhgren search up Norway flag confederate
@@johan.ohgren www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/verden/2020/07/29/195693687/matte-fjerne-norsk-flagg-folk-sier-vi-burde-skamme-oss
Oh wow actual REHABILITATION
wow wow wow im just so grateful to people like you
"Focus on humanity"? Thats the most UnAmerican thing i have ever heard!!!
I think that says a lot about America as a whole just reading this statement. There are a lot of people who want to focus on humanity, but there are those in power and those paying those in power that focus only on money and nothing else.
@@Calvan42 America used to be about humanity until the Europeans took over and eradicated half of the Africans who were LIVING THERE!
And I meant by enslaving them
Agreed!
@@Calvan42 Ik it's off topic
It isn't about who they are when they go in....it's about who they will be when they come out & jave to live amongst us!!
Wait so if I kill someone in Norway I get free cable? Bet
@@zecru6427 They wouldn't have homeless people. If ur homeless in Norway just commit a crime and get your own place.
Trisha Ann Bro they just fixed poverty 👁👄👁
Trisha Ann the evidence doesn’t agree with that. Another reason why the US is going to remain a second rate country. Culture in America will not change for a very long time.
@@trishaann1616 they probably dont have homeless people because of good social programs
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Here in Denmark we can get an eduacation as a chef, carpenter, engineer, software developer etc. and we go to school/university outside the prison.
We have laptops, tv with 30 channels, Playstation 4 etc.
We cook our own meals.
We buy our own grocery in the supermarket.
We attend NA and AA meetings 3 times per week outside the prison.
We go to school meetings etc. in our own cars or by public trains. (Prisons pays for the tickets).
Longer sentences doesnt work. So we believe in giving everybody a second chance.
It costs millions to have inmates..
It benefits everybody if the inmates can get out againg and be good taxpayers.
The inmates WANTS to be taxpayers.. they often just never got the chance earlier in life.. to take an eduacation.
If a sentence is no more than 6 months we serve our sentence at home with a footlook.
When in prison we have the option to go home every 3rd weekend. For 2 whole days.
We go home Friday afternoon in our own cars/by train to our homes.. and return Sunday evening.
We dont have fences in some of our open prisons.
We get paid 200-400 dollars per month when in prison.. (work with cows, animals, producing milk/meet).
Work as an electrician, carpenter, painter etc. in the prison if you have an eduacation with that.)
Real work.. 8-16
Work as a chef in the max security prisons 8-16.
We have access to the internet when ever we are outside the prison and have our own cellphones..
As a murderer you get a max sentence of 16 years.
When you have 5 years left of your sentence you serve in an open prison. So you learn the life as a free man again.
No prisonguards with a key..
You have your own key to your room.
Your own clothes, your own bed your own lcd 4k flatscreen your own toilet/shower etc.
We expect you to take somekind of eduacation and get a job.. even when in prison.
US of A.. learn a lesson 😊
Everybody deserves a second chance ❤
I AM ON MY WAY TO DENMARK.
As a Russian. I fully agree with u. Forgiveness is a power.
"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity."
@Nick Milligan If you treat people like animals, they will become animals; if you treat people with dignity, you hope they want to return to humanity. If not, other measures can be taken; don’t be so quick to take kindness for weakness.
@Nick Milligan most of the inmates there are from other countries mostly for smuggling and rapist are singled out and arrest by other inmates.
Then again, criminals prey on the most vulnerable.
@Nick Milligan You are part of the problem.
Nelson Mandela quotes
“The American Dream is a dream because you have to be asleep to believe in it” - George Calin
oh man... i would sell my soul to see him analyzing the usa right now...
False
Ever heard of a day dream?
@D Legionnaire DUDE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?lmao
@D Legionnaire OKAY lol
Hello good video of the prisons.
Someone who has spent a lot of time in prisons in Norway is often called a "prison bird"
It was such a bird that said this.
"I've been in new ones, I've been in old ones, it's the same, a prison is a prison"
It doesn't help that it looks nice when you've lost your freedom.
Many are released from prison after serving 2/3 of their sentence. Because of good behavior.
In the last year, many have been in an open prison, so they can get used to a normal life again.
Then it will be like a hotel, only the exit door is locked.
They go to a job in the morning, come back in the evening. it is easy to get short welfare leaves in the evening to meet a friend, or they can be away for a whole night.
They are often checked to see if they are intoxicated, if they are it is straight back to a regular prison.
pathetic.
“It’s about how do you treat people - respectfully”
German prisons may not be quite as nice as Norwegian ones. But “human dignity is inviolable” is the first and most important bit of our constitution. “It is the duty of all state authorities to respect and protect it.”
One reason, why our prison system is based on rehabilitation, not revenge. As is stated in the video, having your freedom taken away is punishment enough. Adding even more hardship is just cruel.
I hope everyone in the future adopts that idea
Same in Denmark (I know, surprising we're the same as Norway and Germany); the punishment is supposed to be the lack of freedom. If there's anything more than that, well, fine, you can decide that as a country, but then you also must have it included officially. Otherwise, it's just revenge.
And in Germany, trying to regain your freedom by escaping a prison is not illegal as well. Quoting from wikipedia(Prison Escape): "In some other places like Germany and a number of other countries, it is considered human nature to want to escape from a prison and it is considered as a violation of the right of freedom, so escape is not penalized in itself (in the absence of other factors such as threats of violence, actual violence, or property damage)"
@@mrhaftbar Indeed. If you just snuck out, you would not get anything added to your sentence you'd just be brought back to serve whatever you have left.
@@Sigart are you for real
I like how Norway saw there was an issue with their system, thought about it, and fixed it. America gets its problems pointed out directly to them and yet they turn their heads up at any change, refusing to believe they’re doing anything wrong.
Because you should punish criminals. Especially the violent ones.
@@notforgotten3685 the punishment is being in prison, unable to leave. they will not learn if all you do is beat them every day, they should feel guilty, not feel like they have to take revenge on the police.
If we mention anything can improve, they tell us to leave as though we and our Ancestors haven't put life and sweat into this place too, even against all odds.
@@CoppuChan Yes often they feel that because police give punishment and humiliation from the moment of initial interaction/arrest throughout the process even though their job should just be detaining and giving tickets.
somewhat agree
That lady at the end. Talking about her time in American prisons vs Norways, it's funny😂😂 she literally was like why am I going to prison in the US when I can go to prison in Norway hahaha
The two new prisons in Mandal and Froland were budgeted to cost well over NOK 2 billion, the price ended up below NOK 1.1 billion.
In the state budget for 2017, the price tag for the prison project was estimated at NOK 2.26 billion. The final sum ended up just under 1.1 billion.
The most important reason why the construction cost was so much lower than initially estimated was that we spent the right amount of time on planning and solid execution. The contractor was also given greater flexibility in the speed of implementation. In addition, it was cost-saving to build standardized on site instead of choosing ready-made modules, says the head of Statens bygg.
The two newly built prisons opened their doors to a total of 300 inmates last September. (2121)
The government wanted to increase prison capacity and we sat down with the Norwegian Correctional Service and agreed on standardization of the construction of prisons. This way you can avoid having to start all over again every time you have to build new prisons.
Source Frifagbevegelse.
When you see aerial photos of the prisons, the first thing you notice is that there are no concrete walls.
There is a double metal fence instead.
From the outside it looks a bit boring, with only green lawns.
But bushes and trees and of course flowers have been planted, so it will certainly be nice in a few years.
In everyday life, high technology is used, such as computers.
No hot food is served, but they are given a card that can be used in the food store.
They also receive guidance on what constitutes a healthy diet.
lol why do people continue to try to compare this nonsense to the us? 300 ? lol, even using the statistics for jailing people that scandinavian countries use, increase the population to 350 million people, and let me know how much those prisons will cost then. Now add in dietary requirements for people from different ethnicities and religions, add in the cost of translators for 30 to 40 languages, and the fact that many of the ethniciies will not get along and actively attack each other, and thats leaving out the whites, those are just a few of the things you should factor in and then let me know how much that will cost.
The US wouldn’t even treat the homeless like this
Then again Americans don’t treat any other Americans like this. The country is more like thousands of gangs fighting each other over various ideas ranging from the monumental to the petty.
You're spot on 👍🏾😊
@@ron87. thanks to the American dream
Neither does Norway.
@@chabweezy9905 It's called a dream because that's exactly what it is.
"It is not for the prison to punish"
This is such an amazing look at their profession.
I think that allows the correct kind of people to apply for the job too. If you're like the guards the inmate describes in Brazil where they feed on suffering you will not even get a job in a Norwegian prison.
The job description for working in a Swedish prison as a guard, translated from Kriminalvården (Criminal Care):
"The work as a prison guard is carried out in teams. In contact with inmates, you monitor safety and order. You oversee the inmates, visit them and plan their release.
Through conversations and guidance, you motivate them to reflect on their situation. Kriminalvården prepares clients for a life without crime, that is our main task. Our goal is for our clients to be better equipped to live a life without crime and abuse after serving their sentences. Therefore, you must have a fundamental humanistic view, an empathetic ability and be able to handle conflicts in a constructive way. At the same time, you are direct, secure and can set boundaries."
@@vileguile4 This is absolutely stunning. Nordic countries seem to be far ahead on this. And the recidivism rate reflects that.
Thank you for sharing.
but the model wouldn't work in many places. At the prison I work at in Australia, they have tv's and xboxes and bbq facilities, an excellent gym and indoor courts, a sports field and so on. Many guys are better off in prison, and that's the problem. They tell me that themselves. They prefer it to life on the outside.
@@heystevo82 How sad is your life, when you accept imprisonment to freedom just for moderate luxury? They're not serving caviar, I presume?
Buying a tv, a console and a gym subscription costs like 50 bucks a month, where I live. Freedom for 50 bucks a month? Poor guys!
@@dan438 I know, plus many come from family backgrounds of domestic violence and drug use so they also feel safer in prison.
What’s the music at 1:05 ?
It very calming.
As someone that’s been through the system here in the USA it’s much different than what what is going on in this video! I truly believe i will visit your country very soon!!! I can’t wait 2 give everyone a hug of LOVE!
yeah you can even commit crime in their countries and then go shopping for ice cream for your cell. pathetic. of course, you were just a degenerate drug addict, but what about multiple murderers? if you have been in the "system", tell me, the people you saw in there, you would be ok with all of them getting released? lol.
Rich Americans watching this: “BuT tHeIr TaXeS aRe HiGh 😡”
Is true
True. Taxes are high. Shows the priority of government. Money or people. Taxes are high but the discrepancy of the citizens are less. There is a balance between economy/individual freedom and caring for the collective good. A balance that is hard to achieve and maintain. It requires strong-willed leaders and power checks and balance.
For obvious beneficial reasons.
i don't think they are that much higher than most other countries
@Evop Fx You can pay everything from 0% tax to 50% but if you make around 40 000 USD, you only pay 20-25%. If you make over 80 000 you pay 35%.. over 200 000 USD you pay 45.5...
Well i mean if a society introduce for profit prisons, actually says a lot.
That the society is sadistic and corrupts its own justice system?
The society did not make the prisons private. the federal govt and the corporatists decided that "regular folks" tax dollars should not be spent on "the worst scum on the planet" and they would rather that line their pockets, the politicians pockets and the military pockets...but there was not enough money for a for profit business of incarceration...so the feds and their lackeys decided that the states would pay the subsidies...so now the state taxes are drained and the subsidies pay for the costs and then the extra grants and charges to the inmates and the profits from (in my opinion: illegal) labor go to the executives and officers and wardens get the difference between grants and costs as bonuses for their own bank accounts...why did we do it again???oh yeah so the people's tax dollars were not being used for prisoners...and now it is the state revenue which comes from - oh yeah taxes
leonardimas1 I think the main way it’s ‘private’ and profitable is that corporations are able to force prisoners to work for ridiculously low wages
And we need to recognize that in Norway they see their prisoners as people. The US on the other hand sees their prisoners as livestock, a commodity. They strip the prisoner of their humanity.
Remember that the far majority (80%) of prisoners are in public prisons. These state owned prisons often have far worse conditions than private ones. This isn't to say for-profit prisons shouldn't exist, just that the prison industrial complex isn't the only form of imprisonment that we should focus on solving.
I was very impressed that there is a knife block with knives in it! 2:54
Unfortunately lawmakers in the US would never adopt this
There are many poor, struggling people in the US who would prefer a Norwegian prison to their current living conditions, with no support as soon as the leave a certain threshold of poverty, and no insurance or healthcare.
That's really depressive ... because it's true :/.
I was just thinking of moving to Norway and stole something soon as I got off the plane so I d land in a prison like this 😂
@@shinyagami8843 Haha i really doubt they will send you to prison for stealing.
@@mikkelv7020 try to rob a bank with a banana? 🍌 just brainstorming here 😂
I've seen prisoners about to parole only to commit a crime and get more time for that very reason, life was better on the inside.
I think it's more about the life in Norway itself, the nature of Norway lifestyle is how generally peaceful it is without any triggers for crimes. Having well-developed prisons isn't the only line for safe crime rates.
I always found Norway fascinating and beautiful. Now I have one more reason to visit.
To end up in prison?
@@escapetherace1943Well Norwegian jail cells are luxury while us jail cells are normal. But for Russia, its a strict country
This could only even be attempted in the US after you unwrangled corporate claws from the prison system.
Even then, if the prison guards and prison administration are not properly educated or trained like the Norwegians are *and* have the right mindset and attitude, to put it into practice, it still won't work. Plus there probably is less stigma in Norway about being a convicted felon than in the US hence lower recidivism rates.
The US police force is less educated than a Norwegian prison guard. US police train anywhere from 10-36 weeks depending on the state so the longest is 6 months. Compared to 2 years University level classes in psychology, ethics, criminology, communication techniques, and human rights. Add to that a country's culture that values humanity, the US has an awful long way to go to even achieve a fraction of what has been a long standing practice in Norway.
@@dnahubs agree.. Psychology and lets not forget sociology. Those 2 together are so important to understand, when it comes to dealing with people.
dnahubs The most ridiculous thing is that many of the most kindhearted good spirited people who are willing to help are forced to work menial jobs for corporate giants taking advantage of them instead of using their real interpersonal empathy and life skills. If love were rewarded love would prevail
Yeah I never rlly understood why the us' prisons are corperately owned.
One of the bad things about heavy capitalism: corporate greed
Norway, Finland, and Sweden leave the US in the dust. We are so far behind, it's pathetic.
I love those countries
Denmark, Iceland
I see a lot of Americans here hating on their own country for what it is. Of course it's important to recognize one's own flaws (for example, as a Finn, I know we have problems with alcohol, suicide rates, some hate groups, etc.) - but it's at least equally important to channel that towards a steadfast push towards positive change.
@@S3lvah Norway has issues too, alcohol and tabacco is really expensive.
Greetings from Finland!
Amazing Work.
This prison is heaven compared to other prisons
And to think that this documentary is not even done in their own native language, and still speak better English then most Americans.
Yes. And the prisoner appears to be trilingual - Portuguese, Norwegian, and English!
*than
@bruh moment isn’t Swedish very similar to Norwegian as well? It seems like it would be seeing as they’re neighbors.
We learn english from first grade (5-6 yo), so ofcourse we speak english. We also have two norwegian writing languages we have to learn, some swedish and danish, and from 8th grade a 3rd language (usually german, spanish or french). So most norwegians understand/speak at least norwegian, swedish, danish and english, and maybe something else (like im learning russian and understand a bit of many european languages, at least enough to understand most labels and menues in at least 6 other languages)
@Hedda Skår Blokhin wow, that’s crazy. They would never be able to make people learn more than 2 languages in school here in the US because people would say “I’m never going to go to Mexico, so why do I have to learn Mexican?” And yes, some people actually think it’s called Mexican, not Spanish. Good for Norway for educating their citizens on foreign languages - it’ll make traveling around the world a lot easier!
Profits over everything in the US. Hire the dumbest guards possible at the lowest rate, worst training possible, maximize reditivism rates
Although I agree with you, someone who murdered someone shouldn’t get rewarded in these “prisons”.
@@ballistaz2872 So getting treated as a human being is a "reward"? That's why the US fails in regards to people re-offending. But I guess when it's all about profits they're really winning. Winning for the rich and powerful. This country is the worst in terms of treating your fellow man with dignity and as equals.
Yep, this is America.
@@ballistaz2872 Did you even bother to watch the whole video?
Bsi u bozo
I’m watching this years ago it was posted and have yet to see or hear of anything close to this being implemented.
I love this concept of mutual respect. American prisoners are treated like animals. There is little to no rehabilitation. And once released they have no life skills or desire to change.
I am happy to report I worked in Norway in June 2019. I am a state parole agent inside a state prison in PA. Drexel University took 8 correction officers, myself and our warden n deputy. A film crew from Sweden followed us and are making a Netflix documentary ( the trailer is available on CZcams). We learned the Norwegian way. We opened up our Scandinavian inspired housing unit in March 5, 2020. Covid put some of our plans on hold but most of the construction is completed. We moved a few inmates on the block and they love the changes. My part is exciting as I get an office on the housing unit. I will talk about re-entry the day they walk in the block. I will assist with their release plans to include home, work, making amends with family and friends, continued recovery efforts for addicts struggling with addiction. We are hoping to change the face of corrections and the wsy May we do things. Sadly, we have faced some backlash as some people in Corrections are not willing to make a change and our trying to hinder our progress. We want to see the change and be the change on the front lines. It’s sad that people in corrections 20 plus years are resistant to positive changes. I watched Norwegian contact officers for a month. It’s as simple as being respectful and treating people as human beings. It was life changing for me. I hope if you are reading this you will find our trailer prison project little Scandinavian by SVT. Thank you!
Nice,hope you can make a change!!
Excellent
cool!!
Donna, great to see you writing about your experience. As a Norwegian I have a bunch of questions, maybe you wouldn't mind answering a couple of them?
What I am really curious about is how this affects you as a correctional officer. My impression from watching documentaries from the US system is that the system isn't just a strain on inmates but also on you who work as correctional officers and that this is also a way to improve your life and not just the life of the inmate. Being an agent of change for something positive will make you feel better about the job you do, and come home as a happier person.
Do you have any comments on that? Like do you think you could sell the benefits of the Norwegian approach in this way to fellow correctional officers opposed to change? That this approach may in fact make their life happier?
Or perhaps you could explain a bit better what the objections are really about? Is it that they don't think it will work, that it is dangerous or that the inmates don't deserve it?
Really looking forward to the documentary though, and good luck with everything!
@donna mattia: That's wonderful and I am sincerely hoping that you can affect some change in at least your state. However, it's not only about how you serve your sentence but also the level of sentencing. When you have "three-strikes" rules, for example or you get handed very long prison sentences for relatively minor crimes because there is a politically motivated desire to show that you're "tough on crime" it becomes infinitely more difficult to rehabilitate and prepare inmates for a meaningful return to civilian life as a productive citizen because you're so far removed from that reality ever materializing.
There is a major difference in philosophy between having a judicial system that is based on the concept of revenging criminal acts through punishment and one which seeks to prevent the criminal from returning to crime as a way of life once released, through rehabilitation, creating opportunities to choose a better path and changing the psychological makeup of the individual.
They're also all speaking in a second language. Try interviewing any US officer in a language that is not English.
To be fair, English is the most spoken second language in the world. In America, most schools let you pick your second language because we already speak the most spoken language. So american kids learn Spanish, french, mandarin, german etc. But only one. We don't all learn the same second language so there's less pressure to maintain that language.
But when everyone speaks the same second language, it's natural that they would get more practice with it. Try interviewing Norwegians in spanish
@@derekfurst6233 we actually have that as an option. Hahaha we also learn a third language in school. German, French, Even spanish. I chose russian. And i speak finnish aswell. Most Norwegians knows a minimum of 3 languages. But if you where to count danish and swedish we know 5🤔
@@derekfurst6233 Don't push your laziness on us mate. We have two written forms of Norwegian to learn in addition to English (imagine having to learn proper English in addition to your English) and another language (at least). You guys have so many Spanish speakers not to mention all the other nations south of you (except for Brazil), so learning the language should have been a requirement for all of you. But it's not, so here we are. Heck, many Norwegians learn Spanish because it's a vital language if you want to travel to South America, or you know; Spain. I've had Spanish and German. I also know Swedish and Danish. I won't lie, I'm rubbish in both Spanish and German as I stopped globetrotting a decade ago, but being bilingual is an effing blessing and I hope at least one of my kids takes Mandarin or Arabic. Mama is getting ready for an adventure. Stop dubbing every thing sent your way and you might learn something.
@@homla8116 It's true, it takes effort to learn a second language and some Americans don't learn another language because they're lazy. However, I also know people who grew up speaking two languages from a very young age and had a far easier time being bilingual than those who tried to learn through school at an older age.
You cannot learn a second language only from school. There simply isn't enough practice there. Yes, there are lots of Spanish speakers, but not everyone knows that many Hispanic individuals. Even moreso, a lot of Spanish speakers I know don't like to speak Spanish with those still learning. They hear "will you help me practice my Spanish?" all the time, and get tired of it.
There is a lot more emphasis on learning more languages in Europe, and a larger necessity for it. Your guyses school system is far better with language. In America, it's not required or even always available to learn a second language until high school. It is INCREDIBLY harder to learn a language at age 15 compared to 6. Only a few specialized schools teach a second language at a young age, and very very few schools effectively teach a second language (using immersion). You have to specifically seek them out, which is either unavailable or unaffordable to most people.
Also, speaking in an environment with other speakers is very helpful in learning another language. It's a lot easier for Europeans to travel to another country that speaks another language than it is for Americans.
I speak Spanish better than most Americans (who learn it as a second language) because I put in effort outside of school to learn it. My sibling speaks obviously English, but is also fluent in French, Russian, and knows bits of other languages. They've lived in other countries, and have many friends from Europe and elsewhere that speak other languages. It was far easier for their friends to learn other languages, who were raised in language accessible environments/households than it was for them.
BOTTOM LINE/TLDR: Americans shouldn't make excuses to not learn languages. More people should put in the effort to learn. However, learning another language, especially if it isn't Spanish, is far less accessible here. Some people only have the resources and time to learn a language in school, and if that were the case for me, I certainly couldn't have learned Spanish to a meaningful extent.
Why did I type so fucking much I'm fucking high sorry lmfao no one gives a shit muricans oughtta shut up n study up on the espanol
@@Missangeleness *Were to count
Came to watch this after watching John Oliver's Last Week tonight segment on solitary confinement. Seeing the difference between Norway prisons and US prisons I'd astonishing.
It's not that Norway is a special kinda place. It's just that the American prison system is effed up.
it's interesting to notice that neither the guards nor the inmates have the typical 'rough & tough' personality. they're very relaxed and open.
Norway uses psychology, they rarely raise their voices. This is one of many things they learn, in the two-year education. Only the best enter the school. Example.
837 Applicants
430 Taken in for an interview, and takes various tests.
90 Come in, (they get paid during the education)
@@notaviking6997 So, what you're telling us is that they don't use Affirmative Action, I wonder why they don't lower the standards for their less capable students.
@@notaviking6997 How is that even relevant? California's prison system only hires 3% of all applicants. By your idiotic logic they are far more selective; therefore, more qualified/better candidates.
@@jaketapper8910 it’s relevant bc the guards know how to act properly and were taught about psychology well. Idk it seems pretty relevant :P
@@jaketapper8910i dont think California prison guards get 2 years of training and education before starting the job
People shouldn’t go to prison and come back worse than they were. A system shouldn’t be prioritizing profiting off of inmates but rather trying to keep everyone safe and so the prison is secure, the people inside the prison and people outside the prison are secure,
Exactly!!
Yesssss
bobby abra yeah, and do you want them to come out of prison even more messed up or a functioning member of society?
@bobby abra Yeah, honestly. Of course, nobody knows for sure their reactions to a hypothetic situation, but I've been brought up to forgive and see the best in people, and I'd try my best to apply that here.
How many of the people in these prisons are violent offenders?
I wish we had their mentality on how to treat prisoners here in the United States. I think there are a lot of inmates who could heal and leave prison to become productive citizens if given help instead of punishment.
Norway officers: *plays cards with inmates*
America officers: here's your gun, baton, and taser. Try not to let people kill each other
Since when Correctional officers have guns, batons and tasers? Most of Co's only have the handcuffs, just saying!
Lol what kind of nonsense you've never been in a prison most likely
remelle alcendor it’s a joke
@@Rk-xx1sg I'm guessing you have then
@@upstreamtoast3512 which one was I replying to then smart guy?