1973/74 - The Big Match (Bristol City v Liverpool & Newcastle v N.Forest - FA Cup 6th Rd - 9.3.74)
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- Full 'The Big Matc' programme. Introduced by Brian Moore with Malcolm Allison.
Bristol City v Liverpool - Commentary by Brian Moore
Newcastle v Nottingham Forest - Commentary by Hugh Johns
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Brian Moore.
Simply in a league of his own.
Refreshing..... So nice to see characters !!!
Oh the nostalgia! Used to love this on a sunday afternoon. Brian Moore was a most charming host.
Brian Moore did it all, commentry,presenting,interviews and more.
Hard to imagine that just over 4 years after this match Forest would win the 1st Division Championship and go on to win back to back European Cups
European cups?
@@edmundpower1250 Yes the European Cup was what the Champions League is now called , and it was only for Champions of the European Leagues , 1 Club from each country
@@edmundpower1250 yep they won it twice
@@siroswaldfortitude5346 thanks
@@johnruby147 wow.. Little forest champions of Europe twice 😲😲
Was at the Bristol City v Liverpool game. Some good players in our teams at the time and won us promotion not long after. RIP Gerry Gow.
I remember Brian Drysdale from the Hartlepools United side that won promotion from the 4th Division in 1968. You signed him at the end of the following season for £10 000, which probably kept Pools in business. On the evidence of this game and one or two others I've seen on similar channels it was money well spent.
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His son went on to have a successful career as well.
Yes, I saw Bristol City win 4-2 at Oldham on a Tuesday night in the autumn of 1975. They were 2-1 down with about 20 minutes to go, so they were obviously a pretty resilient outfit. They won promotion that season, and spent four years in the top division.
Nowadays they’d ( the City lads ) been sold to swell the clubs’ coffers & sit on Liverpools’ bench whilst the poor City fans would’ve had to put up with staying in Division 2 ! 😂
I remember Brian Moore talking about how penalties should be taken. just like Pele takes them, but hit at 25 miles an hour just inside the post. That's how I always took penalties and never missed. Brian knew his football inside out and his commentary was first class.
OMG - Goalkeepers playing bare-handed.... Imagine todays goalies attempting to do the same. Great uniforms, free of advertising. No diving. No dramatically rolling around on the ground faking injuries. Wow, has the game ever regressed...
The game has regressed, the country has regressed.
@@markj6169utter nationalistic nonsense. The style of football was utter garbage and suppressed technical players like Hoddle and Barnes. England won nothing with this long ball kick and rush style. Thank God the foreigners came over from the continent in the 90s to show us how to play football.
@@anthonymcken6050 you’re welcome to your opinion of course, but the game emphasis was very physical then and was definitely a mans game, not what your foreign players have turned it into, which to me is pathetic. This is why many of us who loved, played and watched football then and cannot stand it now watch these old matches to remind us what was and now is lost.
Notice how both teams are playing their first teams, those were the days.
It's the Cup, then the greatest cup competition in the world. Now it's a throwaway, even the playoffs rank above it. Criminal, but we can thank Sky for that.
A one off this. A match from L.W.T. outside broadcast unit outside of London and the second match produced by A.T.V. Hence the commentary of the late great Hugh Johns.But again outside of the region. HAPPY DAYS!
@@joehurst You may well be right. Tyne tees Television did not have a regular commentator then. Tyne Tees soon had Roger Thymes.
@@joehurst Hi Joe. Yes it was Tyne Tees but John Hughes was always an A.T.V. . man. Here in the South of England we had The Big Match three weeks out of 4. Southspoort Soccer with [A very young David Bobin] for the fourth week and from New Year"s Day 1982 The Sunday Match presented by Fred Dinage that became The Saturday Match in August 1982. There were six Regional I.T.V. [English Regoins that had a weekly football highlights show. L.W.T. A.T.V Yorkshire Television Granada Television Tyne Tees Television and Anglia Television. H.T.V. West had The Big Match except for six weeks of the year. Many many thanks for your reply.
What I noticed about watching this clip again was how crucial Ian Callaghan was to Liverpool in their build-up play; particularly how he constantly switched wings to pose an attacking threat from midfield.
Shame he only won a handful of England caps, too - although he was in Ramsey's 1966 squad. A great, industrious, under-rated player and one of the keys to Liverpool's success under Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley !
Ahh Ashton Gate, The Park End, Jumpers for Goal Posts umm, ehh. That place with 37,000 in it was why I fell in love with football. Although I would not be there until a few seasons later, during the First Division years what a ride! Also great to see the game before the new shitty off side rules and easy free kicks. These were men who got kicked and got straight back up.
That intro is without doubt the best one out of all the Big Match Years, with the Mighty Leeds v Sunderland FAC Final Montgomery save & Bob Stokeo running onto the pitch at the end to hug his hero. Oh, thanks for your library of matches especially this era, the best one. Apart from rioting.
Glad you enjoyed it
I was only talking to kieth fear last week he said the most important goal he scored for city was against Leeds which earned a draw at ashton gate then they went on to win at Leeds which brought a full house a against liverpool money in the bank 👍
The music alone is worth watching this for
Absolutely marvellous , agreed path every word . Thanks George , from Ste an ex squaddie from Liverpool . (Bosnia and Kosovo veteran ).
Wonderful stuff. What a great collection you have. You certainly would make my day, if you have the november 1973 and the february 1974 editions of the big match. Especially it would be great if you could upload the loftus clash between qpr and coventry, and the coventry vs. sheffield U a couple of weeks later in november 1973, and the Stoke-Leeds at Victoria in the beginning february where Leeds was trying to make a new record as undefeated, but was finally beaten 3-2. Many greetings from a danish teacher, and thanks a lot.
Got the Big Match from the 3rd & 17th November, plus i have the QPR v Coventry game. Will 100% upload when i find tyhem. Im currently going through nearly 20,000 of my football DVDs picking out stuff to upload!!
As long as you're not asking for too many things at once 🙄
Leeds were 2-0 up in that match as well if I recall when going for the record
@@Me-ll4ig They were, starting with Bremners freekick goal.
Roger Malone was the HTV commentator? I'd imagine he was funing that Moore got to do Bristol City v Liverpool
Bloody hell. Bristol City look good! I'm only at halftime so no spoilers
Forest somehow conspired to lose even though they were 3 1 up and Magpies were down to 10 Men unforgivable. Needed Clough to turn up and make a difference to the mentality as note Robertson, Bowyer and O'Neil are in the team here! Also, this was back when fans and players wanted to win the FA cup and it counted for something.
they were told to lose when the crowd pushed the players off the pitch for fear of widespread rioting.
@esseel7896 Rioting, you say 🤔
Again......they need Brian Clough for that 😂
@@esseel7896bollox
@@whiteflash72 bollox yer mom noncer.
Back when football was a serious sport ⚽
Nah. It was never as good as it used to be - even in 1888.
@@robertcottam8824 aye, 1888, that were a man's game back then...I would finish my 50 hour shift down pit, then trudge 200 miles uphill in snow, just for a glimpse of my idols at Accrington...could never afford a ticket, so I would trudge 300 miles uphill to go home again..aye but it were grand it was
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Luxury!
@@robertcottam8824 ha ha
That's dedication!!
Fantastic memories of this, I remember watching this on TV on Granada, thanks for the upload, keep up the good work.
Thank you very much. Dont forget to subscribe and spread the word!! 👍
Some greats there. I was born in 1973.
Bristol played good football.Very impressed by Fear, Tainton and Gillies.
Wow love the London Weekend and HTV present static slide
I remember watching😮 this as it was being broadcast - the matches plus the Pele bit. I seem to remember further episodes of the Pele masterclass covering "banana shots" and "bicycle kicks". Good memories.
So weird seeing the keepers picking up the ball from a back pass.
Interesting to note the variations in Bristol City's strip...some of the players have V-neck collars on their shirts, while others have rounded necks. Were there no rules regarding uniformity of playing kits in those days?
I couldn’t believe they wore that v neck style when every other team were changing to those v types with collars - then I see a round collar more like the Derby from the beginning of the decade. I don’t remember this diversity bar short or long sleeves ! One things for sure - the centre circle being mud at the start bodes for a right plowfield ! 👍
Bristol City slightly pre-empting Spurs 87 with a mish mash of shirts, some crew neck, some vee neck.
How times have changed. The crowd are all standing. The ball is plain white. No names or sponsorships on the shirts. Goalkeepers wore green shirts. Referee always in black. Players wore shirts tucked into their shorts. Shirt numbers 1 to 11. Only one sub and of course those 70's hairstyles. Yes I remember it well
No Gary Lineker and Gary Neville. Bliss.
Notably debating the coming installation of perimeter fencing The kind that ultimately led by policing failures to the Hillsborough disaster which left 96 Liverpool fans paying the ultimate price for their terrible implementation and subsequent removal RIP YNWA
All before Clough came
How different was footballers looked back in the olden days
like elderly people
Wonderful memories!
My favourite time watching football, skill, characters, tackling without player screaming when not touched like now. Cormac came to city when we were in the first division, he’s was incredible! Gerry Gow became a great player, so sad he passed away too young. Also mention Chris Garland who has recently passed away, great times and great players!
Gary collier probably the best centre half we’ve had, a rolls Royce of a player
First player to leave on Freedom of contract i believe. Could be wrong..
I was in the park end that day with my best m8 who was a scouser
Legend.
Unfortunately he left for Coventry, hardly played then ended up in the USA. Wasted career really, you are right, he was absolutely brilliant. Just made the wrong choices!
Newcastle pen was a huge dive, hence the obvious confusion amongst the Forest players. And we blamed the foreign players for bringing it into the game 😆
Johnny Foreigner has always been a convenient scapegoat instead of taking responsibility.
Klinsman did entirely. Diving was rare & your senior players would not have it & tell you.
47:35 - TERRIFYING to hear both Malc and Brian Moore talking in favour of installing fences. Truly terrifying.
Fantastic, the best football of ever...absolutely
Brian Moore often referred to Newcastle fans as 'Geordie hordes' after this quarter final.
Great memories. Thanks for the upload
Glad you enjoyed it
After the FA intervened, this game went to a re-match
at gGoodison Park and Newcastle beat Forest 1-0.
2 replays bigdog dont lime man utd but hope they beat you you cheating b--------ds
Actually went to two re-matches at Goodison, first one ending 0-0. I'd have thought by drawing the first one (which replaced the 4-3 here) Forest would have earned home advantage for the following match, but not so...
Here in the South of England we had The Big Match 3 weeks out of 4 and Southsport Soccer for the fourth week. In 1982. The Big Match was replaced by the new franchise holders T.V.S. with The Saturday Match. That had more matches from T.V.S. Granada and A.T.V./Centraloutside broadcast units. I seem to remember both Liverpool and Newcastle moving on to the 1974 F.A. Cup final. So a great find this.
37:000 at Bristol city 😮
Pat Howard getting sent off - OMG what did he say to the referee? In those days you basically had to commit murder to be sent off.
Ive forgotten what a good keeper clements was for liverpool 😊
Forgotten? You only have too say his name & it's Liverpool England & Spurs. Sad loss.
Paddy Conroy's Dad fighting the police on the pitch, then being arrested.
Jim Gratton was a brilliant penalty taker.
Was at this game as a 13 year old , a day i have never forgot , remember fans singing 3-1 down 4-3 up now are going to win the cup ,
Forest were robbed that day Duncan Mckensie was a class above that day
Bristol city playing like Brazil 1970!
Lawyer, Robertson, O'Neill... Oh. The EC winners.
How often do you see two left-footed keepers? Thanks for the upload. Cracking piece of nostalgia!
I didn't notice that
I once saw two left-handed gibbons in a zoo in Germany. Never saw a single one before or since. Not even in Chester Zoo.
I have a theory, scientifically unproved, that a higher than average number of goalkeepers are left-handed/footed - first thing I notice, being one myself.
Very observant!
Fancy that - a London Weekend/HTV co-production. This must have been a big deal, with ITV's big guns commentating on both matches outside of their designated regions.
Lovely to see Ernie Hunt and John Sillett in action back in the day - both City legends. (Coventry City, that is...)
Justice that Liverpool destroyed them in the final , disgraceful management by the FA
50 years ago! Let it go, you'll feel better. 🙄
@@williamkanegateshead I'm still sore about the 1991 final, may take a while yet!!
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You are high.
Newcastle Never defeated Liverpool 5 1 the following Monday.
Wasn't the players fault & a magnificent comeback with 10 men, the players were only off 10 mins & that ground was heaving with over 40,000. Forest just couldn't stay the course & with a good manager, who knows they might get to a final one day..
@@kc8923 What about the 1991 Final?
You can clearly see how players today are far more skilled. So much more technical and precise. However, part of this is down to the state of the pitch and the ball. What was far better back then were the crowds. I know it was proven to be dangerous but just look at that writhing chanting crowd.
Today they play on a carpet with a lightweight ball. That's real football here, grit & mud & spit & drama. Football has lost that now.
Newcastle should have been expelled from the competition. FA didn't have the guts. Hate Liverpool, but I was rooting for them in the Final, and it made my day when they won 3-0.
Some of the players in this match. McDermott when on to win the league and European Cups a few years later with Liverpool. Ian Bowyer, Martin O’Neill already of Forest and Frank Clarke of Newcastle, all 3 a few years later when on to be very successful with Forest. Duncan McKenzie who went on to play for Leeds and Everton.
Footballers looked like men then, now they all look like an under 18s side. You had to have grit & toughness unlike now, apart from their heavy wallets.
That part of Bristol is unrecognisable today.
I was there for the City Liverpool game
Me too, East End agro
Pictures from Tyne Tees, ah the memories
Modern game Toshack would have been rolling around like he was Neymar on that challenge by the keeper.
he highlight of this edition was the middle-aged geordie hoolies
bloody hell that Belfast boy was brilliant at taking penalties.
Toshack would be happy there was no VAR in 1974!
Malcolm Allison was a very good looking man!
@13:40 what a pass 👏
Liverpool thrashed Newcastle it was a terrible one sided final
Allison got it wrong fortunate goal by Toshack,,, and Leicester
Forest marking was SHOCKING…
Hope the players got their backsides booted……
For the second match. A.T.V. could not do LIVE action replys. They were put in after by the local I.T.V. company. In the case of The Big Match L.W.T. on the south bank.
It is not a streaker, just Bob Stokoe running onto the pitch in an overcoat
Ernie Hunt. The inspiration for that classic football transfer joke 😂
Was chewing gum a “thing” back in the ‘70s? I noticed 4 out of 6 on the Bristol bench munching away😊
Chewing gum was advertised as 'improving concentration'.
I'm glad I watched that! started going the footy in 1992/93 so was interested to see what footy in the 70s was like; that Newcatle/Forest game was boss! A real eyeopener!
First thing, Forest get their 2nd goal team mate goes up to goal scorer "well done mate" then gives his balls a squeeze! :D (goal celebrations have changed haha!)
Second, Ref gives a penelty, defender not happy, argues, gets booked, he continues, Ref; "pipe down princess or you're off", one second later he's sent off! Well done ref, I wish we saw this more often haha!
Third; Newcastle 3-1 down...Newcastle fans; "not today boys, CHAAAAARRRRRGE!" Roit insues, ref takes the players to the dressing room, 10mins later games back on!!!
Fourth, Ref gives a peno off pushing in the box on a corner! And here's me thinking people always got away with that haha! nice work ref.
And finally Newcastle only go on to win!
Now I get it when my grandad used to say football has changed and mum took some convincing to let me go as a kid! Haha! What a day out :D
Thanks for the upload
Glad you enjoyed it. Football so much different these days i agree. No rollimg around when get the slightest touch. They were all men then, that played for the love of it!!
@@classicfootballmatches6167 It just looks like it was a lot more of an experience for the fan back then, everyone all crammed in in the standing area's, intence atmosphere, proper agressive football being played. Spot on!
Don't get me wrong footy is still boss, but that was something else back then haha!
You described it perfectly
Castella cigars
3:47 that crowd surging forward.
Nice smiley, that's new.
You should see what it was like on the Kop at Anfield with 27,000 on it.
Totally disagree about the second penalty, there was no push
at all by the Forest keeper. Supermac merely fell to the ground.
Just the one substitute 😂
A lot of tobacco advertisements at Ashton Gate in 1974.
Jesus. Toshack was a monster!
Allison was talking rubbish about Liverpool’s goal, two bits of complete luck led to it! But then, he was smiling😂
He knows much more than you fella, I'll go with his expertise & he was correct.
Bobby Moore went to Fulham
Can you imagine Gary Lineker commentating on a match on the Saturday and getting off his privileged backside to present a programme the next day ?
When football didn't have stupid stats . Brian Moore was a great presenter unlike a certain Mr. Lineker.
Amazing to think he was the commentator and presenter too
@@classicfootballmatches6167 whereas Lineker was merely England's top goalscorer. What a waster, eh?
Football was so strange back then - the same guys playing for the team week in week out - across the whole season plus the same manager for years ! What was there to talk about ? 😆
In the 85/86 season when West Ham came 3rd, they used only 14 players in the whole season!! Most teams use more than than in 1 game now!!
42:04 wow...that had the potential to be really really nasty. Angry home fans running across the field to fight in the away end. That could have been very dangerous.
What's Allison talking about! . Everything about Liverpool's goal was luck.
Still bitter nearly 50 years later? Wow.
Handball by Toshack😢
🎵 We are the Leazes, boot boys 🎶
If Forest were affected so much by the lads running across the pitch they shouldn't have restarted the game. Pleased they did though. I couldn't speak properly for days after this game.
If they hadn't restarted they would've forfeited the match, and probably incurred punishment from the F.A.
I was there great mob we took the
Bristol boys were waiting for us at
Temple
Meads station we chased them all over the place
Goddet
Right at the end, Malcolm thinks Palace will put in an offer
for Bobby Moore but he actually joined Fulham.
But really, he dodged a bullet,..Bobby was inconsistent
and had been making errors every game for at least five years.
Maybe but remember Bobby had suffered from testicular cancer in 1966 and the cancer never really went away, That worry coupled with the shamefully shabby way he was treated throughout his career -and especially after-it's amazing he played so well for as long as he did. More amazing was how he remained a gent.
@infrasleep Correct, he also suffered from insomnia from 66 onwards after his operation to remove his cancer. He was a great player and everyone who played against him has never said otherwise.
The bigger the match the better Bobby played
@@gerryryan That's true.
@@LordFlashheart.11 Just looked at West Ham
v QPR from 1968, Bobby pushed up into midfield, scored a great goal but he was good for a blunder or two most games thereafter whenever he played in defence. ....//g.
The FA Cup Final that year was between LIverpool (the winners) and Newcastle. After Newcastle supporters got the match abandoned, they should have been disqualified from the competition, to prevent others from trying the same trick.
Malcolm Allison, predicting the future, regarding fences around the grounds. Neither penalty incidents in the Newcastle v Forest game should have been given, in my opinion and whether the game should have been replayed is also up for debate. Other sanctions could have been implemented.
Yeah. Newcastle could've been kicked out of the competition
1:55 Keegan has straight hair 😲
28:34 Did the *_English_* announcer actually say "a moment in *SOCCER* history?"
This is for the people in England who are always giving others shit for saying soccer instead of football.
So 🤪, soccer is a word that originated in England.
36:58 Did #3 for Nottingham grab his teammates' _dick/package?_
I love watching old matches from before seats were installed in all the stadiums.
Especially when 50 plus fans lose their footing and they all _fall/move_ 10 feet in the same direction.
That wasn't people losing their footing. That was crowd surging, instigated by people at the back deliberately pushing forward.
The term soccer was coined in England to differentiate between the sports of 'Association Football' (soccer) and 'Rugby football' (rugger}. It generally depended on what part of the country you came from, or on whether you went to a predominantly Rugby playing school, as to whether you used the term or not. Here in the West Country we always called it 'Footer'. Soccer has now almost completely dropped out of use and it's just 'football' and 'rugby'.
When I was a kid - in England - it was always called 'soccer'.
As we all know, there at least six variations of football. And 'soccer' wasn't the first.
Do you're right.
Best wishes.
Re. Keegan 1:55, perms would become all the rage for later 70s and early 80s players ...
'Soccer', as an abbreviation of association, certainly originated in England around 1900, but it was generally used by the upper middle classes and journalists in a disdainful way. I think the main pushback against its use in England / the UK was a combination of annoyance about middle class snobbery, which still exists though not as pronounced, and the proliferation of American English.
Unlike the other respondent who stated it wasn't the first of the six 'football' games, which is true, I would add these points: it is the only 'football' game that is actually a kicking game where handling the ball is a foul except by the 'keeper; it is also the only truly worldwide game and as popular as all the others put together by a factor of 10 at least...
Who would have thought that Newcastle would have had to wait until 2023 to win a domestic trophy
So, diving existed in 1974, too. Toshack with a ridiculous dive to try and win a pen in the first half.
Liverpool FC, great back then, great even now. The true champs of British Football
Which I guess is why: 1/ they're mid-table in the league, & 2/ just been pumped at home in Europe 2-5 by Real Madrid.... 😂😂😂
Bristol City outplayed lucky Liverpool and got done by a crabby goal.
😂😂😂