Atheists React to the "THAT Christian Girl" Trend
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It’s so striking to me (and not at all surprising) that being That Christian Girl involves zero service to others, no extension of love to or even baseline consideration for “the least of these,” and overall very little thought about anyone but herself. Everything is about how God can serve her. It’s Jesus as your personal life coach.
good observation!
That's because a lot of Christians that want other people to be Christian as well or spread the gospel online, are often very narcissistic, they want people to be like them and portray themselves as better and godlier.
It's performative.
Faith without good works is dead
Don't get me wrong but if she had posted something related to service, you or someone else would've probably said 'you shouldn't brag about being generous and helping people' if you had a look at her accounts you would see that she does help people, the video was about her routine not what every Christian should do. I do agree with you, in case you mean that we should serve others (no matter the religion) Also, nobody on the internet is perfect. Please judge less, love more. Take care!
How to be a Christian man: worship god and work.
How to be a Christian woman: worship god, get married young, have children, be beautiful, make food for everyone, work out, wear modest clothing but still be appealing, wear makeup but don’t look like a slut, be a virgin before marriage but be a nymph after marriage, pray, be literally perfect.
Literally, it’s exhausting
🎶 *All day, every day, therapist, mother, maid. Nymph than a virign, nurse than a servant. 24/7 baby machine, so he can live out, his picket fence dream. It's not an act of love if you make her, you make me do to much labor.* 🎶 - Labor by Paris Paloma.
What means being a nymph?
@@marspinola There's two versions:
1: a nature spirit depicted in Greek myth.
2: An individual, typically feminine in appearance/gender who has an addiction or persistent desire for sex or sexual activities.
So, depending on the context it's used in, it could mean different things.
@@oddeyes9413 Oh, thank you, very much 💕
Those influencers misspelled: How To Be That Privileged White Girl and feel superior to everyone else
Excatly... My thoughts already. It's easy being pretty and healthy when you basic needs aren't and insecurity. Housing and food and healthcare are huge insecurity for many many women these days. Most healthcare is a trip to the ER because of no insurance.
Yeah, and I assume she doesn't have kids or poor family that need her support, etc
more so how to be that privagled christian and feel superior to everyone else.
@@suneavery636That I do not envy anyone in the US. I hope you'll be able to get universal healthcare as we do in most of Europe.
I grew up in this false piety shit and it sets my teeth on edge.
"Thou shalt pop off this year" is my favorite bible verse, thanks taylor
They should put that on a shirt. I would definitely buy it.
😂
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
I would like this comment but it has 420 likes so im not ruining that
I seriously need this as my wallpaper 😂
as an agnostic, every day i try to go on a fifteen minute hate walk. that is when i go on a walk for fifteen minutes and try to think of everything i dont like.
Cackled at this. I love it.
The opposite of a "hot girl walk", I'm here for it 😂
This feels like something you do to get ready for Festivus.
Me all day everyday
This is definitely on the grinch’s schedule, which is of course what I model my day-to-day after
Apparently the daily life of “That Christian Girl” doesn’t require going to work like most people. Your full potential seems tied to Prosperity Gospel. Thanks for looking at this trend.
Ha, yeah! Also: all this effort is really for the man you'll marry.
@@glenn_desert_witch Good point
Exposing white hegemony. This shows the out-ness of authoritarianism.
Right, I was like, wait how does she have so much free time to exercise, cook for herself, be dressed and made up nicely, do an extra prayer walk, and an extensive skin care routine all in one day? Is there no time for anything but that, no hobbies or relationships? Oh wait, it's because she doesn't have an actual job, she's just an influencer. Probably with the goal to be a housewife so that she doesn't have to care about the gap in her resume.
@@Brynnthebookwormyou guys are absolutely miserable and insufferable lmao. Her entire TikTok account is helping others and charity, she just does routine stuff on CZcams
I hate the emphasis on waking up early. It’s more important to get adequate sleep than to be up by an arbitrary time.
I hate it too, as a night owl, but I hate when I wake up too late. It makes me feel so groggy 😵
I don't think they are promoting less sleep, but they are more focused on how it makes you feel and how much more you can do waking up early. Getting adequate sleep & waking up early can make you feel fresh. Your day will have a more likely have great and focused start! This time somehow makes you focus so well that you'll get more motivated to do stuff. I've tried this once, & it feels amazing
Try it once, and see how it feels.
I can never get over that there are something like 45,000 different branches of Christianity in the world, 200 in the US (according to the Gordon Conwell Center for the Study of Global Christianity) and all of them seem to think that THEIR version is the only true version of Christianity, while ignoring Jewish and Muslim people who worship the same god. Its such an... insane way to view the world.
Evolution comes up with answers that support reproduction. They are not always good solutions overall. In fact, it is so much that way that it is really good evidence that their god does not exist. How ironic is that?
Its caused by Protestantism, martin luther invented the idea of all u need is the Bible and everyone can have their interpretation, thats why theres denominations. Christianity is not divided, Christianity is Catholicism, the Church Jesus started, the Church then put the Bible together in 382 AD
@@user-lh5li8ll7i Ummm, sweetheart, Catholicism was just the FIRST split. They split from Judaism. Jesus NEVER HEARD OF OR SAID ANYTHING ABOUT CATHOLICISM. Paul made it up well after Jesus died. You aren't special sweetie. Deal with it.
@@littlebitofhope1489 ah, im 'sweetie' yeah? Not gonna waste my time but your comment makes zero sense
@@user-lh5li8ll7i That says more about your lack of comprehension than my comment. You know what I said is true, and you have no argument, so you run. Well, run away little one, no one will miss you.
i used to strive so hard to be that christian girl. it feels so free to finally be over it, just living my life. i wish that to all the young girls who fight so hard to find themselves. thank you for talking about it.
I think you mean “strive”. Thriving would be a good thing. ❤
@@cattrainfit8393 thanks!
I'm having a little difficulty wording this but setting aside all the historical atrocities and oppressions of religion, living life on your terms is one of the best reasons to leave the church.
And in just my personal experience what most people called "community" i.e the part of religion even some atheist consider a positive, was just an excuse for busy bodies to pry in our lives.
@@MonikaLandkasova No worries. I will delete my comment now. It's a simple mistake, and you don't have to feel insecure about it.
I was going to strive to be "not like other girls" but then I realized I'm already not like other girls at all. I'm a guy. Lol
Hope you don't mind the joke. If I have a point it's that it's silly to strive to be anything other than yourself.
The that girl trend feels to me like a neurosis to gain some kind of control in an uncertain world or a way to cope with anxiety or insecurity.
With a hint of narcissism. They can do all of this without social media but they choose to.
@@savagesweetheart90maybe it becomes more true for them when they show it off
Oh it absolutely is. Add to that a little spicy internalized misogyny and a desire to erase everything icky and gross and human about being female and you got yourself a greige portrait of a woman who is deeply hurting. And we goof on these women but I know many of them and they don't really need that. They already hate themselves and are constantly in pain, which really sucks bc they don't deserve that. Bout all of them are as nice as can be and have never hurt another living soul
It absolutely is. That girl reminds me of my worst days of battling OCD and completing rituals and routines to be in control of my life.
Yea word
I was about to say a Christian influencer is the epitome of the hypocritical religion that Jesus spoke against but Drew beat me to it🙂
Alot of Christian influencers are the worst people. It's like live their way or ... your evil lolz
i mean jesus is a myth he never spoke.
@@ashishpatel350 isn't god in general just a myth
@@ashishpatel350 Statistics show, that while 100% of atheists are flaming homosexual, only 100 out of 100 atheists are actually also pdfiles
Depends what we are talking about. The “that Christian girl” in question is clearly a lordshipper which means she falls into the antichrist worshiper category. All cults fall into this category. Mormons, Catholics, Pentecostals, jahovahs witness. Yes they are hypocrites. Yes the Bible says they will be cast out with the hypocrites.
However there is another camp. The free grace camp. Free Grace Christians can do whatever they want. We are under Gods grace. It prevents us from being hypocrites because we have Christs imputed righteousness. Therefore no matter what sins we commit they have already been paid for, and God only sees Christ in our place. Even hypocrisy itself is a sin which has already been paid for by The True Christ. All you must do to be saved is believe in the price He paid for your sins in His own Blood on the cross. Then you’re saved forever, and can never lose that salvation. OSAS is the gospel.
This whole thing boils down to this: Want to be the best version of yourself? Be privileged. Like seriously none of these influencer types have any sense of what life is actually like for the working class. So out of touch.
For real, my mother grew up poor along the Texas border and her family could barely afford shoes for her so she would walk around barefoot so she didn’t use up her shoes. Now she just laughs at these kinds of videos and says “bet that women never worked the fields in the Texas heat in order to put clothes on her children”.
Very true. I love how "waking up at 5:30am/6am" is part of the 'that girl' aesthetic when that's literally called...having a job for the majority of people lmao. Like I'm extremely privileged and even I wake up at 5am so I can get to work on time 🤦🏾♀️
Yeah. I didn't realize that these influencers were actually trying to appeal to the majority of people. I am very privileged and therefore can absolutely afford to live this way, but at the same time I know that that's not reality for most people. I thought they were all just marketing towards others with that kind of money.
Do y'all really think that being a Christian is just sitting down and gettin money no it isn't, as someone who is a Christian we do have struggles and we work for our money. It's not her fault that she can afford things that you can't. At this point you all are just looking for any basic thing to make her look bratty and privileged. Learn more about Christianity before blaming someone else for your own problems
@@JoanEshiemomoh You do know that being privileged isn't necessarily a bad thing right? In this case, it's just a bit rude to then market your lifestyle to the average person when you know they're probably not going to have the same amount of expendable income.
This makes me wanna do a "That Pagan Girl" video where I wake up naked in the woods around noon surrounded by a bunch of other naked people, then head home shower and sage the house then read tarot and laugh and talk out loud to the spirits. Then head into the kitchen and make herbal lunch and go over the nutrition and health benefits of everything I'm cooking with and how some of the stuff you see online that's supposedly some kitchen witch recipe that's supposed to help you with certain things is total B.S. because science shows yadda yadda yadda....
100% would watch! 😂
I would LOVE to do it one day, but in a "That Pagan Person" version!
hhahahahahahahahaha please do it, hahahahahahahahaha I would watch it , I promise, I would comment in it, I would recommend it to all my friends xD it would be such a good trend hahahahahahahaha.
OOOH LET ME JOIN! i'll bring my crystals :)
This sounds amazing 😂
On the topic of all these Christian influencers having the same style and aesthetic, it’s very much a herd thing. Conforming to it is as much a symbol of your faith as reading your Bible every day. When I was a Christian, I refused to wear the costume because I believed it didn’t matter as long as I was dressed modestly. That choice was always a silent black mark against me. It’s ridiculous.
This! They’ll say the only thing that matters is believing Jesus died for your sins, while also saying you’re not a “real Christian” if you don’t adopt their aesthetic and cultural symbols.
My husband literally screenshotted this comment and sent it to me, I relate to this SO hard. Was always struggling to fit in aesthetically.
And it's such a bland aesthetic. Like Taylor and Drew said, there's nothing wrong with it. I just don't see any individuality from one person's version of it to the next. It's really an aesthetic that exists to avoid any expression of personality.
Same! I dressed alternatively and listened to rock (Christian rock ofc. I was a good Christian girl 🙏) and literally got called demonic, goth, a freak, you name it lmao. I was asked not to dress like that at church by leaders because I was a "bad example" for the younger kids. That mentality still baffles me lol
@@hannahperrone8097 Oh, samesies. I was listening to xtian metal though and the pastor used to attack me from the pulpit, until he decided othering me and ultimately excommunicating me from his his cult of "pretty people" was easier. He's happy to preach about love and acceptance but not if you challenge the status quo just by existing. I've been told I was a bad example and a bad influence all my life, so if given no recourse just lean into it. I started deliberately dressing down on sundays, wearing heavy black hoodies with the logos of xtian rappers and metal groups emblazoned on them. One time I went to church with my ex fiance and they told us we couldn't sit together, even though we were engaged and sitting in a service, yet other people who were engaged always sat together. It's funny how they'll single out one or two people and make them the exception but in a negative way.
I live in an apartment and don’t own land for agriculture. I guess I’ll never be gods best woman. **shrug**
Also you don't have servants to feed. Guess god's best woman has to be rich
I sure as hell don't have any fine linens...
I have a plant pot with basil. Does that count?
@@happytofu5just tell yourself it's an acre and you are good
She doesn't own a farm she is just that she eats whole healthy food, it not her fault you can't afford to buy healthy food
Former Evangelical Christian here - She mentioned that anyone is “welcome here”, and that is still a huge reason why I struggle with the Christian outlook on life. I was a youth leader for middle and high school students before I left the church. We had some recent high school graduates (they had been in a relationshiip for a while) who found themselves in “hot water” with the church because they got pregnant out of marriage. The church 100% turned their back on these kids, because they had sexual relations outside of marriage. It didn’t matter to the church that these 2 kids had JUST moved out on their own, are still trying to figure out how the world works, and needed help when they found out they were about to add a baby to all of that. I was LIVID. I have been out of the church since 2018, and am absolutely still trying to find out who I am (I am still a believer, but I am not shy to say I certainly am still doubting and questioning the teachings that were so engrained into my brain growing up) but I knew that a church should NEVER treat people the way they treated these young adults. They both spent a decent portion of their middle and high school years being super actively involved in the church and never asked for an ounce of help until their son came into their life. It breaks my heart that there is so much hypocrisy within the Christian faith, and I absolutely agree that when I was actively involved in “growing my relationship” with my faith that I ended up sitting in a place of judgement instead of compassion and understanding. I could go on for a while .. 😂 But I appreciate you two making this video. This was actually the very first video I ever watched on your channel .. I’m digging this content. No hate to people who are Christians or actively practice, but I feel you should be able to have conversations about faith. It doesn’t matter if you believe, are questioning or if you don’t believe. We are humans, we should totally enjoy getting to have conversations with others with any topic, religion included if parties involved are open minded and out of a judge mental/offended state of mind. Anyway .. I’m done ranting now 😂
yep, the church i grew up in turned its back on my mom and thus me and my brother bc she got divorced. didn't matter to them that it was my bio dad who cheated on her. it didn't immediately make me leave christianity but i stopped going to church since then. my mom is still christian but doesn't go to church either. wish she could think critically about some of these things :(
The way I see it '"come as you are" to become exactly like us.' It was never about being accepting but about growing their church. Sure they say "everyone's welcome" but it stops there once they are part if that churches comunity.
The thing is that God has a lot of rules that are mentioned in the Bible. The church follows them, and people don’t like the disciplinary side of faith. Don’t get me wrong I disagree with it, but I think it’s more of a matter of reflection that maybe this is not the God you should be following. People need to open their eyes and see what God they believe in.
@@YounhaMizuki... That's not an excuse to abandon people in need. I'm an atheist, all the faiths are cruel and judgemental.
All that means for me is I don't have an excuse for turning my back on people.
@@RobinTheBot I am not saying it's ok at all. I never said that. But when a person shows you who they are, leave. Several churches show people what they care about. I am also aware that there are wonderful people in the church. I have been at the receiving end of that help. People need to stop looking for acceptance from those who do not care about us.
CS Lewis wrote in Screwtape Letters that the wrong take is to focus on "i am godly, i am good, i am pure" and the right one is to focus on doing good things. like helping others.
Right. I would agree with CSL on this one... focusing on my supposed state of purity or sinfulness can lead to terror, inaction, and self-flagellation. Of course I want to have self reflection on my actions, but not a sort of constant moral fear. Helping others is a win-win situation ideally.
My ex once told me that he saw "jesus" one time when he was high and his mother saw him when she was drunk and that's how they found christianity. My brain immediately just went "Soooo...you have to be under the influence of something to experience anything, got it".
My mother actually was an addict (hard drugs, don’t know exactly wich) and saw Jesus in our walls, talking to her when I was little… For me it firstly was like seeing pictures in the clouds. Then it became scary.
@@Siures I'm sorry you went through that. Hope you're doing much better now!
@@nykole1963 Yes, I am fine. But this made me very sceptical when someone "sees Jesus" or "God".
Ik from your worldly perspective it's sounds coocoo because your used to the normalisation of looking at literally anything spiritually related to the bible as junk. But Jesus does appear to people in their darkest moments
"How To Develop Orthorexia in a God-Honoring Way"
I’m 25 and I had a crisis of faith 6 months ago and am currently deconstructing. I also become a “real Christian” at 17. So, it’s pretty interesting seeing this.
I had mine maybe 8 years ago when I was around 27 or 28, I think. There was a phrase that someone else used about their long, slow walk away from the church. That helped me to think about how coming out of religion isn't just a one step immediate thing. It was so hard because religion was baked into so many things about me and how I saw myself. The journey is an individual one, but the hope I can give you is that the other side is SO good. I'm so much happier, confident and self-assured. Therapy helps a lot too. I felt very lonely during that time but know that you are SO not alone, it's okay to think and believe differently than you once did, and it's likely things will get better once your inner turmoil passes a little. ❤
best of luck on your journey!
I did the same thing. It's definitely a tough time, but it's really worth taking a step back and really examining what you want, feel and think. ❤️ We are so glad you're here.
Sister/Brother be strong! Jesus loves you ❤
try and read your Bible like a love letter from God, not a set of rules and guidelines but as a piece of literature that will deepen your relationship with him during your crisis. ITS ALL ABOUT PERSPECTIVE....GOD BLESS❤
"Romans 2:12, thou shalt pop off this year" was so damn funny 🤣🤣🤣
It’s really NOT funny to mock God like that I pray you’re led to Christ and remember God loves you
@@leilanyamutsamba797 it really goes to show your really new to the internet 🛜 you won't survive the old days of CZcams where the comments are more brutal.
Ha! There was a joke at the Christian college I used to attend. The prayer rooms were the best place on campus for speaking in tongues, and laying on of hands.
Epic😂
JWs had me thinking if I wasn't "that Christian girl," then I just wasn't trying hard enough 😢 turns out I wasn't even a girl so that was like asking a goldfish to play jump rope 😂
Hahaaa sameee
Obsessed with this. Trans enby here. MOOD.
Fr fr same story
This is similar to things I've been thinking about, like how autonomy (what I believe the Barbie movie is about) was a completely foreign concept to me growing up. Instead I was taught everything you are is owned by God, owned by your prospective husband, and ruled by how men perceive you. You aren't enough the way you are, you must constantly strive to be this thing you can never actually achieve. Thank goodness I came to this place knowing that it isn't real and I don't need Jesus.
That's because Eve is SOOOO Evil, that she wanted an education. And you are still being punished (according to them) for Eve wanting and acquiring that education. The only thing I am angry about is that I can't eat an Apple and gain a Bachelors Degree. lol
@@sammur1977where did you get any of that from their comment?
@@sammur1977I have enough money to not to care about what my boss says, I’m pretty independent like that.
I've never seen any of her other videos, so I don't know how prevalent it is and what she does regularly, but this video seemed to be as much about showing off all the expensive stuff she has to viewers who most likely can't even afford both rent and groceries most months as it is about adapting Christian theology to American consumerism.
@@sammur1977 ??? Did you reply to the wrong comment? Because this has nothing to do with what I posted.
@@kndacusI thought I misunderstanding the comment too but the opposite could be it as the 24:21 comment tells you to read proverbs, work hard and get ahead in business and that deal with paying rent and buy expensive groceries. Also be stoic and humble. Not that it makes sense irl and not by accepting that others don't have the same ressources as them.
I guess I must have made my comment prior to that, then.
My creator was my mom, I find it hilarious how jarring religious people find it when I say that 😂
Imagine how it goes when I say my creator is dead
Even more so if you don't also mention your dad 😂
Technically that would be one of your procreators
Well my creator was God, I find it hilarious how jarring atheists find it when I say that 😂
That's only one of em. It's a collaborative process. Weird how often women need to be told this...
On a sidenote: as a person with degree in linguistics, who's been interested in myths from all over the world since childhood (the encyclopedia of myths was my fav), I struggled with reading the Bible even when I still DID go to church, and believed in spite of it, not because of it. As a professional translator, I could never understand how people could rely on texts translated multiple times, with various agendas, without having a cultural context for translations centuries after the fact, when even one translation these days, with multiple technology available, can horribly distort the meaning. Also, when you have been reading myths from multiple countries and see similar patterns and stories everywhere, it doesn't necessarily stop you from having faith in the higher power per se (because I do believe in it, just different cultures see it differently), but it does stop you from adhering to just one rigid interpretation of one specific text.
It is especially interesting, when you compere christians - especially christian cults who even see the old testament as true in every words, while many jewish scholars and Rabbis see the stories more as poems and myths that are based on true stories. Mostly because they know how the original worlds can'T always be translated in just one way.
Your right on everything you said. I am a mom this is ridiculous. Plus not everyone is the same . Every woman is different and all us women have different styles and body shapes. Living your best is being happy with whatever lifestyle is best for you .
💯💯💯
Right?!
Like what happens if you can’t afford that quality of food for yourself or family?
Ungodly.
What if you are not able to work out 6 days a week due to time constraints, physical disability, or mental health?
Ungodly.
What if you have kids and a job and just don’t have the time to meditate and journal and be alone every day?
Ungodly.
All I see here is her implicitly saying if you can’t live her (very privileged) lifestyle, you are not leading a godly life.
Unbelievable.
@@nasonguyTo continue, what happens if you have a job where you only get 30 minutes for lunch (like most of us), not another 30 minutes after to go take a prayer walk?
Ungodly.
What happens if you can't wake up at 5 am because you were up half the night caring for a sick child, and they've finally gone to sleep?
Ungodly.
@@sammur1977 Why are you being so judgmental?
@@sammur1977 if your asking me no I'm not . I had 2 kids I hate fast food but don't care who eats it. I'm not fat. I'm 5 ft 1 and 98 lbs . I am not single or obese. Even if I were a single mom why would that matter? Some women are single moms because husband/ bf died, was an addict or abuser or they just didn't work out. Not my place to judge
I love how the two equally add valuable info to the conversation and they never dominate over the other in their videos😎🙃✌
More and more, as I hear people talk “at me” about how becoming a Christian is what I need to be my “best self,” smacks of the sober alcoholic who says I need to give up beer and cocktails…because THEY had to.
I was participating in a conversation thread on Reddit when I got the following reply to something I posted:
"Well, I don't need drugs or alcohol to have fun, I don't need loose women and weird sex to have fun, I don't need to burn down local businesses to have fun... what other "fun" stuff does the left stand for that the right doesn't?"
I don't know how to respond to this. Sorry if it's off topic, you just reminded me.
@@justinhart2831 no no, I think it’s part of the same underlying problem coming out of the religiously minded, and the political right; especially when they overlap. Uncritical thinking, non-sequitur replies, assumptions galore, and the misattribution of philosophies to the non-religious, or people on the left.
I forgot partway through that this is all supposed to be one day. While I miss some of the rituals, community, and self-reflection that come with striving to be a good Christian, I don't miss the guilt of when you inevitably fall short
Yeah, I hear you, and you can replace those rituals and community with other things. Exercise, meditation, morning breathwork, ice baths, journaling, clubs, friends crafts, etc. Christianity likes to project that it invented all that stuff, when most of it really has nothing to do with religion in general.
@@leob3447 Yes, definitely! I've started attending more community events and groups, intentionally scheduling time with friends, getting therapy, puzzling, and going on more walks. I think it all feels a bit different still and a bit less magical but I think that's also me looking back with rose coloured glasses and comparing an average day now to a great day then
@@evermore331 Just curious - what makes it average now and great then?
@@leob3447 Nostalgia. I know I personally tend to romanticize the past
For me it was a more innocent time in my life where I believed in a just world and a creator who loved me and knew me. Understanding the world as cruel and beautiful and chaotic is a loss of innocence, and i can't go back to that mindset even if I wanted to.
I really love the way that all of this is extremely conducive to when that Christian girl marries a Christian "man", is conditioned to be fruitful and multiply right away, must serve and submit to her husband, run her household perfectly, provide three hot and nutritious meals a day, keep herself 'thin' and presentable, breastfeed and parent and bear many many young children, and ultimately be financially controlled, left without professional help for her postpartum depression, and left with no agency or autonomy unless she joins her best friend's MLM. This is definitely a sustainable lifestyle for THAT Christian girl.
Not. But it sure sets her up for that.
I hate this so much. 😢
Thank yall for the work you do. I appreciate you both so much.
The moment that the journal being something she's selling came out it all clicked into place. I was already thinking that this whole thing is basically her branding herself. The lifestyle, the generic "Christian" look, and such is presenting a marketing image. Incorporating her own products into the video was the icing on the cake. I suppose it's a move straight out of the televangelist's playbook (which I guess would now be the Christian influencer playbook) - develop your brand, market yourself as a religious model to follow, and monetize your faith. Cuz let's get real, for some of these folks their real gods are Ego and Money.
it‘s interesting that she described herself as feeling “empty“ etc. before becoming a Christian, because that‘s exactly what religion is/can be for most religious people: pain relieving. Religion can create a fake heaven in your head that will relieve you from the pains of this world and make them more bearable since there is an “after life“ where a great, supposedly loving god will await you... btw i like it when you two make longer reaction videos, it‘s always fun to watch!
Yeah, that emptiness is not something to be filled with Jesus. As it isn't to be filled with anything external: drugs, partners, children, food, riches, etc. That emptiness will dominate your life if you don't actually find a sense of your own self worth.
@@glenn_desert_witch i can agree with that, still i think that religion can fill some sort of internal “emptiness“ or be a relief to certain pains... like drugs, partners etc. (what you mentioned)
Fr I have BPD and was spiraling in a really bad episode, feeling completely empty, and then I decided to dive so deep into Christianity, listening to a lot of toxic teachers and feeling even worse about myself because there was always something wrong with me in their eyes and I couldn't hear God like they could and I wasn't praying hard enough if I was still struggling or if I didn't have friends. I was miserable... I'm glad I got out of it, but the trauma I still feel from that community is still there... And then I also learned that my emptiness was linked to my BPD lol and I didn't even to fill it with something to feel whole
@@maja4335It's not your fool's religion, it's God
Because religion does not save anyone, it is God who saves;
@@maja4335It has nothing to do with your foolish religion
This has to do with God touching our heart
I have hard time believing that one could learn to know themselves sitting in a closet.
Yeah! You gotta come out of that closet!
Though that alone is quite controversial in the Christian community.
@@nasonguyno that’s just what the lgbtqxyz group wants you think. Trying to turn everyone into something their not. Hell you can identify as a wolf now and days. Lets see how long that last.
She'll find out she's gay when she comes out the closet after praying 😅
the thing that bugs me, in general, about influence content is that they never go to work… so they have all this time to do multiple meals and work out and other shit like that
this trend also seems, i don't want to say ablest so inaccessible. i know people who just cannot work out daily because of physical limitations. or who can't wake up early to do shit because they have insomnia and choric fatigue and they need all of the rest they can get.
I was going to comment the same thing. Soooo inaccessible and privileged.
I am definitely not "that girl", so far away, but I don't think she meant to offend anyone. She is just living life her way and she would definitely say to live life the best way it works for you. She would not think or say less od a person just bc they cannot excercise or sth similar. People who can walk only have that experience and to claim they are ableist just bc they are showing the way they live their life with their experiences is wrong, in my opinion. Just bc a person is sharing sth doesn't mean they are aware of every difference of every human being on this planet or that they are trying to disrespect someone. A person in a wheelchair wouldn't say "oh, but if you can walk, do this". Same goes for prople who can walk. I don't think of it as an insult or ableism, it's just sharing your perspective and way of life.
Proverbs 31 also says it's fine to get drunk when you're sad and poor, so maybe it's not the universal truth we should lean on.
@drew you can only go as recent as the Latin Vulgate, or it's really gods word.
I love the work you're both doing!
And as a former Catholic now out and proud pansexual, I can't stop giggling at Christians being in a prayer "closet"
Bahhahaha the metaphorical prayer closet was such a bummer. Glad we're able to hang out in rooms with windows now 🎉
@@not_you_i_dont_even_know_youI'm irish. Windows and I don't get along. I am fighting my Neverending war against the sun
What’s wrong with getting drunk if you are sad and poor?
@billcook4768 as someone two years sober, I could make an argument, but I actually don't have an issue with the advice. My lack of self-control does not mean others can't enjoy.
More accurately, it's that the "Wife of good character" proverb is quoted ad nauseum, while other places in scripture decry drinking and drunkenness. And many protestant denominations outright ban drinking!
So the comment was more about the cherry picking nature of Christianity.
PS. Jesus first miracle was turning water into wine. Ja Boi knew how to throw one back.
@@TheIronDonkey I had a hard time in the church because I was made to feel like drinking was such a bad thing and I shouldn’t need to drink I should be completely fulfilled in Christ. I have PTSD and at the time I was going through a lot of trauma and without medication it was a way to self soothe and soften the blow of what was continually happening and I couldn’t just get out or make it stop. I never knew this verse existed. More recently I have not been drinking, which I attributed 100% to God, since I did not intentionally stop drinking but my cravings stopped and so I thought of it as a miracle or a gift. Since for so long I had so much shame surrounding my use of alcohol and being a young Christian girl. The thing is those people who shamed me for drinking should have been more involved in my situation and why I was drinking to begin with. There were many things that went on for far too long due to the straight out negligence of the community and the church. But I was made to carry the shame because of my drinking?! From being traumatized from being in abusive and unsafe living situations and not having any options or way out?! When there were so many people who knew what was happening and had the resources to do something and didn’t!! It’s just so baffling!!!
Step 1. Wake up early everyday.
Me: disgusting, absolutely not.
😂😂😂😂😂
I’d just like to throw out there that waking up at the ass crack of dawn is not actually the healthiest thing for everyone. What’s healthy is actually getting enough sleep and listening to your body. Some of us need more sleep and function most effectively on more forgiving schedules. Thank you.
How do you know waking up 5am is healthy for her
And besides she isn't forcing u to do anything she's just showing what she does, you don't have to wake up early if you don't want to. jeezzz
She genuinely doesn't understand how people can know who they are, how they can know about themselves, how they can build an identity for themselves without religion.
While not exclusively an issue with Ashley or the Christian culture she comes from, it would really be nice to see people making this type of concept acknowledge the difference between feeling anxious as an emotion and having anxiety as a disorder.
Agreed. It's okay to feel anxious about some things: it's an experience all people have. It becomes a problem when anxiety dominates your life and motivates all your choices. These are distinct concepts.
For some people, this analogy may work: it's okay to occasionally drink to excess, but it is a problem when it dominates your life and your choices flow from fulfilling the need for more booze.
As someone with GAD, YES. There’s a big difference between feeling anxious about a deadline and needing counseling and medication to simply function 😅
Yup, there is a difference. The latter doesn't exist. (I got "diagnosed" with it too, but when I moved out from home, it got "inexplicably cured"... lol)
@@cerberaodollam Dude what? Do you mind explaining why it doesn’t exist? I’m pretty sure me having to be on medication to function properly, as well as my morning having it, as well as medically having a chemical imbalance leading to it is some pretty solid proof to me
I wake up early in the morning looking like a bog wench, and taxi my tiny humans to various schools, whilst chugging iced coffee and chucking snacks into the backseat. After everyone is delivered to their respective school/care facilities, I "work out" WHILE at work (because if you can be anything, you should be efficient, right?) by lifting caskets, and hefting floral arrangements about, because the funeral industry is great for your core strengthening. I become my best self by forgetting to eat, I mean intermittent fasting, and only eating clean, vegan meals such as six Oreos directly out of the container because all the plates are dirty. My personal prayer closet is sitting in the cremated remains room at work for fifteen minutes to disassociate, as a treat. Put your oxygen mask on first, am I right? I am THAT girl.
Did I do it right? Can I have that crumb of validation now? /S/
Fave comment. 🏆
i yearn deeply for this comment to become a copypasta. it's so beautiful. to let it disappear into the nether of time, forgotten would be a crime.
Ashley thinks that SHE isn't doing her own thinking, decision-making, etc. How sad...to give up one's mind and life choices to a predetermined (and very narrow) identity & cult JUST at the moment when she actually could have had self-determination as a young adult.
Good convo. BIG LOVE to you both!
If you think your better than more just know God is over you judge others and mock them but Yet You live in your own Life Styile Because When You went to Church you were let down by religion not by God Jesus Loves You and Wouldn't Want to Do That To You.. ❤
@@OxeanXile_Christain LOL.
Can't even english 😅
Omg!?! A “prayer closet”? Wait, didn’t “Carrie” have a prayer closet? Is this really a thing? Love the Papa doll; hope you’ve gotten to see Ghost live.
You can't just go to your room and pray, you need a dedicated closet so everyone knows you are praying without you immodestly telling them.
The word is "tameion" in the Greek and no, it doesn't have to be a closet. It means private chamber, secluded area or large storage place. People sitting in the wardrobe are being a little too literal.
taylor sharing about how she attached to certain scriptures due to her anxiety disorder (36:30) reminds me how i did the same thing with my depressive disorder (i was obsessed with matthew 10:29-32 - you are worth more than many sparrows). it’s so awful how christianity (at least my deeply evangelical church) twists disorders into devotion.
Sorry to hear about that, I hope you are feeling bette now ❤
@@marloeslovestea i definitely am, i appreciate the good wishes :)
@elliotmoon4981 Very true. It can be very hard to break out of that type of thinking. I remember I used to think that my OCD tendences (certain rituals I would do) was God commanding me to do things so that my family wouldn't die in a car crash something 🙄. I hope life is going better for you now with your self healing ❤
@@Nosebleed47692 i am doing much better, and i hope you are as well ❤️
This! Oh this!! I have GAD and several phobias!! I used to use verses as rituals, talismans, etc. I felt more "devoted", too, like I was "leaning on God". I finally got therapy and meds and that's helped an awful lot
I'm sure plenty of the "that girl" influencers are Christian. They just don't show Christian aspects for, in my opinion, marketability. They want to reach the most people possible to sell their course, promo code, etc.
I was just having a similar conversation with my husband yesterday. We were talking about Girl Defined and Paul&Morgan. We were talking about how immature Paul and Morgan seem and I realized that christians are incapable of emotional, mental, and spiritual growth because they only have one source for their beliefs. It's really sad.
When I was a Christian I was caught in a manic-anxious cycle. I would be filled with ecstasy, with the glory of God. Then that would wear off and I'd become deeply anxious. Then I'd seek the lord and read the bible desperately searching for some revelation. Then I'd "get a word" and zoom back into ecstacy.
It took me a number of years after deconversion to get out of that emotional cycle (even though it was no longer associated with God) . Now I can feel myself going manic (as opposed to regular happiness or joy) and can cut that off before I get high. Doesn't happen much anymore, fortunately.
Ugghhhhh... this Christo-becky took me straight back to the BAD old days. And this was way before Instagram or CZcams. My family was too poor for me to have the proper esthetic, and as a weird non-neurotypical nerd girl with depressive tendencies I could never pull off that shiny happy holy-wholesome like the "It" girls in my youth group who gushed about their awesome relationship with the Ultimate Boyfriend (or Dad, ew) who never said boo to me.
Christian girl “daddy’s little girl/daddy’s princess” complex is SO WEIRD
Dude you have no idea how happy it makes me to see Pulshia in your set, I'm a huge Ghost fan so to see another Ex-Evangelical Bisexual using Ghost as a way to help deconstruct, makes me so happy that I'm not alone.
If you think your better than more just know God is over you judge others and mock them but Yet You live in your own Life Styile Because When You went to Church you were let down by religion not by God Jesus Loves You and Wouldn't Want to Do That To You.. ❤
@@OxeanXile_Christain
satana, in adiutorium meum intende. Lucifer, me firmum tene.
hostis iterum venit post larvam amoris, per illam video, sed timeo ne animam abutentis mendaciis suffocatam.
Quaeso, tuis infernalibus viribus libertatis ac independentiae, libera hanc miseram animam a mendaciis et vinculis tyranni. Quaeso eum a chordis libera antequam sero est et in aere pendens mortuus ac perditus.
Da eis fructum vetitae scientiae, ut videant mendacia impii Dei. Vivam ut videam illos ordines nostros in exercitu inferni iungere, ut in nece veri daemonis tenebrarum adiuvemur, YAWH.
Haec omnia peto, nomine infernali tuo, et totis viribus daemonis servi tui.
NEMA
I'm a Christian--specifically Lutheran--and I've never heard of a prayer closet before. Honestly, I don't think anyone at my church has heard of that 😂 Forgot to add: I will never be "that" Christian girl. I value my sleep, and I don't want to drink green smoothies. I'll try to eat healthy to lose weight, but I will never try to become "that" Christian girl. The aesthetic is cool, but that's a lot of work. I can still be "that" Christian girl by being a good person, reading my Bible (I've honestly never read it before; just started reading it last fall or winter), and talking about God/Jesus, but I don't need a prayer closet, green smoothies, or waking up early to be that personn🤷♀
Matthew 6:6
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
The word used is "tameion" in the Greek. Basically a private chamber, storage room, large storage cupboard/closet. It's basically just anyway private where you can be alone with God.
@@littleboots9800 like a confessional but the priest is god?
@@gingermaniac5484 yeah, kinda like that, but for all kinds of prayers, not just of contrition. Just a set aside place dedicated for time spent alone with God.
@@littleboots9800 oh that's snazzy~! i like that it's so versatile for that one on one time. smart.
edit, thanks for the clarification littleboots
As someone from the outside looking in it really feels like so much of this is effort put into convincing herself that she's made the right religious choices, and that seems to be taking a lot of work.
This holds true about a lot of religious practices in my eyes - like even going to church, it's basically just regular reaffirmation that people have chosen the right ethereal being to follow. A place to not doubt or ask questions isn't a place to grow.
The whole concept of “finding yourself” is a bit strange to me. As a teen I never once thought “I don’t know who I am. I need to figure that out.” What I did stress about what what god intended for me. It felt like every sermon I attended was talking about god’s purpose for my life and I didn’t know. It felt like everyone knew their god-given gifts and I was just there, giftless. Once I accepted that it’s my life and I didn’t need to worry about what I was supposed to do there was nothing to worry about. I wish people would stop treating life like a check list with an end goal. From my understanding, life is a long, winding road of experiences. Not a checklist to be completed as soon as possible.
This is one of the most profound statements I've read. Thank you so much - it did make me stop in my tracks and think about what you wrote. You're right. Let's stop treating life like a checklist and be grateful for the fact that we're given one, and all the experiences that come with it ❤️
Never thought I'd be learning about biblically accurate egg breakfast today 😅
I'm writing a book on self-discovery after religion and this video helped me give words to a handful of thoughts I've been struggling to articulate while drafting it out. I'm always so grateful for your perspectives and I'm so glad you share as often as you do. I haven't been able to share on CZcams consistently for years (I was a devoutly faithful evangelical Christian when I grew my channel years ago), and I just have so much respect for anyone who does. I guess I'm just saying thank you- you're helping us all so much!
It’s funny that she says girls don’t usually read their bible in the that girl trend, because I’ve actually come across tons of That Girl videos that weren’t obviously Christian but then they’d insert reading the Bible and “spending time with god” instead of doing a gratitude journal or whatever. It serves the same purpose as expressing that you’re better than other people 🙄
Trying to find yourself by strictly following the Bible seems like the opposite of finding yourself because you’re letting your life be dictated by something else instead of getting in touch with your unique self
RE: circular reasoning. The last time I went to a church, the pastor said (in a super authoritative way) “we know the Bible is true because it says it is.” 🙄
Oh. Of course. How could we ever doubt 🤣
One of the moments that really broke my faith as a kid (and in all honesty I wasn’t that religious in general) was when our pastor had an Easter service discussing all the alternatives to the resurrection that were possible and ending it with authoritatively saying that “ we know all those alternatives are wrong bc as Christians we *know* that he died and came back to life exactly as the Bible described” and I’m pretty sure the reason we “knew” it was accurate was bc it was in the Bible 🙃
@@ThePunkHobbit it was also an Easter service when I heard this absurd statement 😂 It’s almost like the resurrection in particular is a ridiculously unbelievable scenario and they have to double down on the doubters lol
THIS!! As a kid I thought all the other theories made more sense (someone else stepped in for him, he ran away, he didn’t fully die on the cross etc.) and to have someone double down so forcefully really felt like a slap in the face. Like…you gave me more rational answers and then shamed me for thinking they were more rational? It was one of the first times I felt shame in church (very liberal hippy church overall) and it definitely influenced me to start looking more closely at other explanations for things in life.
@@sammur1977because it hasn’t been observed anywhere else, all we have is some written account from 2000 years ago
I feel like the aesthetic that the Christian influencers go for is very farmhouse inspired, maybe some residual boho, which was popular between 2010 and 2020. I would say from personal observation. The trend was heavily influenced in my area by Hobby Lobby, which is actually a Christian company that sells mass produced decor items. Also, the “Christian-ification” of Target as well, Target being the holy grail of Christian decor because of Joanna Gaines, who I believe is very openly Christian. Target also sells mass produced decor items. Both have a similar mass produced style that is accessible to the Christian demographic, in my experience and in my area, very easily. In my past experience as a Christian, you feel better about yourself when you “support” a Christian individual or company, and thus gravitate towards it more. Although, in my experience the farmhouse took all of middle class suburbia by storm, not just Christian circles. Love y’all’s videos, thank you for this!
Nah, haven’t you heard? Target is a product of the devil because they had pride merch. They’re all supposed to boycott it even though no one actually is.
"Did they have an 8-step skin care routine in biblical times?" 😂 I laughed out loud several times in this video. Love your reactions! I actually see so many parallels between Christian culture and the Orthodox Judaism I grew up with, including the uniformity with style and aesthetics, as well as infusing sensible things with spiritual language to "elevate" them.
Me, a gay, realising that at Drew and Taylor's bible college, straight couples couldn't "come" out of the closet. 👀🏳🌈
I know I'm old because I keep wondering what kind of job she has. Like does she pay rent? I know you can make money on social media but most people have a "real world" job. No one has time for this stuff she talks about. I have a mortgage, career, kids, hobbies 😂 maybe I'm just old.
I’m almost positive being an influencer is her full time job. She also founded something called The Honey Scoop, which is support community for Christian girls. It has kinda MLM-ey/self-help vibes.
"Surround yourself with other people....who also live for the 'Gram." Her friends look like stock photos.
Ive been an atheist my whole life, but I am still figuring out who i am as just myself. I'm a triplet, and my whole life all three of us were treated as one person.
We're all discovering new things about ourselves. Sometimes it's a mouthful and other times slowly. It's not going to stop at any point.
I am sorry that you were treated as part of a triad your whole life.
I feel you on this. I’m not a triplet, but I have a cousin only two days older, and when I moved nearer to her at 13 we were treated as two halves of a whole person. She was always the fun, flirty, friendly half, and I was the sober old lady stuck in a kid’s body who made sure she didn’t get hurt. And while caring for others is a big part of who I am, I’m a lot more than that. Even my (ex) boyfriend treated us as interchangeable. It’s so frustrating and I had to cut her out of my life when I became an adult for numerous reasons.
@@Faceless_Cryptid I'm still really close to my brother, but it's still hard.
If you think your better than more just know God is over you judge others and mock them but Yet You live in your own Life Styile Because When You went to Church you were let down by religion not by God Jesus Loves You and Wouldn't Want to Do That To You.. ❤
11:28 THANK YOU BOTH!!! I rarely ever hear atheists talk about this, but, in my opinion based on 35 years of experience, teaching you to look outside yourself for your identity and peace is the most insidious part of Christianity. Somehow God gets away with doing all the things we would label toxic and manipulative in any other relationship.
Yes! Exactly! A partner demanding that you base your entire identity and personality on them, and also threaten to torment you forever if you don’t love them, is unequivocally abusive. Yet, God doing the same thing is totally just and loving?
@@theantibot Do you guys ever do any meetups in Austin? I'm up in Leander. Love to grab drinks with likeminded humans
Waking up early is definitely the work of evil forces ;)
It is tough, and it takes time to get up a little earlier each morning, but I will honestly say it can make you feel great during the day as opposed to sleeping in.
@@JNB0723studies for ADHD people say otherwise. people are different about sleeping habits and patterns too. "waking up early" is a capitalist/ableist concept that can't be objectively or standardly applied.
@@JNB0723I might work for you. I feel so much worse when I don’t get enough sleep, so I’d rather sleep until I wake up. I also feel terrible throughout the day when my alarm wakes me up instead. (And I can’t always go to bed at the same time). Not everyone is built the same and that’s okay
@@m3ntyb I agree. I was speaking in a context for me. I am a night owl and I usually do sleep in a little later, but I can see the benefits to both. I just feel better when I get up earlier, but it is entirely subjective.
@@jojol.2630 I understand and I agree. Do what is best for you. It is subjective. I was just speaking in context to me.
perfect timing!! i was trying to find a long vid to listen to on my walk, i love going outside it's really relieving to my depression
I’m glad we could help! Enjoy your walk!
@@theantibot I fed apple sauce to a big slug hehe
@@kai_fatallysapphic Feeding applesauce to a big slug is the BEST antidepressant around.
A lot of Christian women look stressed which ages them. I was shocked when y’all said she’s 24. I thought she was at least 35.
Yep, all that expensive privilege is very christlike.
What makes me mad is that these types of Christian girls are so judgemental. Those other girls could be Christian but probably are reading their Bible and stuff at night or at a different time or they don't have the space or money for a praying closet or they might just simply not show it on camera if they're Christian because it's something private to them or they feel uncomfortable showing that stuff on CZcams, especially with that Bible verse about not praying in public and around others
Realizing Taylor is a Ghost fan has been the highlight of my month, actually.
I’m a HUGE ghost fan. I’m on the square as they say 😜
@@theantibot Same!! Going to see them next month and VERY excited 🥳 I knew y’all were good people.
I've never heard the term "Christianese" but I love it. I agree that people should read the bible. Most of the creators that I consume on CZcams read the bible to confirm their faith and they were unable to so they are now atheist. I don't wish for anyone to lose their community but I do wish people would stop voting based on a narrow interpretation of an ancient book.
Personally, I'm all for getting into routines, changing up your lifestyle to be healthier, ect. But when you start adding religion into the mix, it feels very cultish. In addition, all these Christian girlies make the Bible and their religion+routine their entire personality.If you take that away, most of them have nothing else of substance to them as people.
It's not religion, it's God
Religion does not save anyone, it is God who saves
This is such a great video. The two of you together is an excellent dynamic for these conversations. I really find your opinions to be interesting and insightful. Looking forward to what's next.
I'm so triggered by so many of the things she says lol I'm in therapy for religious trauma (among other things) and i still have so far to go with it. i appreciate that you both can objectively look at these things and give a more appropriate insight without just hating on her.
I'm so put off by ppl like this woman i can't even be friends with ppl like that bc it just feels so harmful to me.
but thank you both for breaking it down in a way ppl can use to be more introspective of themselves and their own journeys in and around Christianity.
y'all rock 🖤
Wake up early for god? No thank you. I wake up early for dog. My three dogs specifically.
Also I too listen to spooky Abba :D
I, likewise, wake up early for dog. 4 of them. Dog bless you. 🙏
If you think your better than more just know God is over you judge others and mock them but Yet You live in your own Life Styile Because When You went to Church you were let down by religion not by God Jesus Loves You and Wouldn't Want to Do That To You.. ❤
16:00 "I wasn't a Christian but I wanted to know who my creator was." Does she realize what she's saying?
What's wrong with what she said you aren't a Christian if you don't know your creator or identity
As an atheist jew, the concept of a prayer closet sounds super foreign and weird.
But also at the college I went to, being sexcluded from your dorm room was a regular occurrence. 🤷♂️
But also at my college, being limited to the same gender, would only encourage sexual actucity 😂
I definitely went to a primarly queer liberal state school.
But also thank you for all of your videos.
i hope this doesnt sound disrespectful as i dont know much on religions and am atheist myself but how does being an atheist jew work? dont jewish people believe in god?
@@toyafan I was wondering the same thing, isn't an atheist jew an oxymoron?
@emmaruth960 my friends don't really worry about belief in God, but they still practice the rituals and holidays as a family tradition. It's cultural practice, rather than religious practice, as far as it is explained to me?
@@aazhie oh that makes sense, i just know the typical stuff i've heard of it's like jewish is based on judaism so it's like you have the belief of god in the culture if that makes sense, like the culture's the religion but thank you for letting me know!
Yes, as @aazhie said, being Jewish can be a racial, ethnic, cultural, and religious identity.
Within the Jewish culture, being Jewish is passed down through the mothers line. And due to generational trauma and historical tragedy, you don't loose Jewishness just because you convert to some other religion.
There are also lots of cultural practices that have nothing to do with following an organized religion. Such as foods, typical days of rest, asthetics, etc.
Another example would be: I was raised in a Jewish household, but not in a Jewish area, so the first time I ever heard of Santa was in the first grade, and we had to color in a picture of this random fat guy with a beard. Naturally I was confused when I was told to make the coat red, as I didn't know of the cultural figure. This isn't a religious thing. It's a cultural thing.
A large amount of Jews raised in a moderate form of the religion would see themselves as agnostic/atheists, as a lot of the religious practices also have nothing to do with a diety and more to do with meditation or interpersonal relationships. And the religion itself also calls for critical thinking.
I’ve watched this girl, she is excited about her faith. She is evangelizing to the young audience of girls who think they have to be perfect and showing them there is more to life in the faith she believes than drinking lemon water. She is very sincere and loving. The gospel transformed her and she wants to show that by entering their world in a way they understand which also happens to be how she lives and letting them know about Jesus. ❤
It’s funny I loved this 10 years ago. Tone it Up helped spread this way of living and it really did help. It’s sad that people feel like failures if they can’t follow it to a t. 😢
Because their are a lot of religious people in third world countries who don't live like this .
@@joandarc441 Very true!
Beautifully said❤
They have to keep religion relevant otherwise it dies down in people's minds, especially if they're busy working on themselves. Those that achieve the best version of themselves by themselves will realize that they don't need a God
I grew up atheist, and at 16, I had a pretty stable sense of myself. I was actually helping a lot of my friends talk through their own struggles with identity and religion (I became pagan in my teens). Many of them were so used to being told who they were and what they were supposed to do that, even if they chafed at the prescriptions of Christianity and their families, turned to me to tell them now. They lacked the process of thinking things all the way through, to struggle with morality, to feel comfortable in their bodies (oh boy, that was a big one), to find what mattered to them...
Christianity absolutely inhibits the process of finding one's self and becoming the best version of themselves. It attempts to shut down critical thinking and is primarily concerned with conformity and with imparting rules for life that are no longer applicable in our modern world. And, I would argue, it creates a distrust of everything that is not Christian, impeding a true connection with those around us, ultimately leading to a sense of alienation and fear. It sucks.
I must have been such a bad Christian woman while working the night shift
No?
Omg same
It comes off as being full of pride like "Look how much better of a Christian I am than other people!"
Yep, it definitely makes one look snooty and snobby.
It's so funny seeing you talk about the "Christian aesthetic" with all the white and beige and sort of "inoffensive" colour palette. Meanwhile when I was a Christian, I showed up to church in metal band shirts and rocked up to youth group one week in a leather corset lmao. But my church wasn't very typical tbh.
Also, as a neurodivergent who used to be a Christian, this kind of content would have been an excellent way to make me feel like shit about myself because I physically cannot wake up that early in the morning due to chronic insomnia and the perpetual struggle with executive dysfunction. Just throwing that perspective out there. Tying a lot of this "high spoons" activity to morality and spirituality is ableist af.
Yeah my church never had a “look”. The whole “that girl” trend, Christian or not, is ableist, privileged, and a ton of other things.
Who has time to do *all* of this?! The influencer also isn't accounting for anyone with chronic illnesses and/or mental health conditions. And what if you don't like cooking...? This is weird. I'm a Christian young adult, and this really weirded me out. Great reaction to both of you. Y'all were witty and informative w/out being mean or petty.
She isn't forcing anyone to do anything all she is showing is how she thinks this would help you grow in christ, you don't necessarily have to drink a protein shake every morning or wake up 5 am. I am a Christian and I don't follow every thing she does, she is just doing what she knows is good for her but you can do what you know is good for you
I have been watching a lot of your videos and it is super sweet of you to have him on all the time. It is awesome of you to help out snaller CZcamsrs and show them how it is done. Great videos!
"Who is my creator? Is it...? Is it...? Who is it?" She couldn't think of one other god.
The walking thing has a mental benefit outside of a break or exercise (or prayer obviously), it's called bilateral simulation. Basically the rhythmic motion if your body is literally mentally healing, anyone who has participated in FLASH or EMDR with a good therapist has experienced this. Bilateral stimulation is just a component of these techniques, but an important one as it helps your brain process information and get a bit of an emotional reset. Anyone who has left for a walk in a state of anger and returned calmer and with a different perspective has some experience with the benefit of bilateral stimulation. It's not a magic bullet but any means, and it definitely helps to do this in a therapeutic setting because a good therapist can give you that different perspective you might miss on your own and help guide you through your feelings.
This was so interesting and really well said and thought out. Thanks for the hard work making this! Keep it up!
i find the 'that girl' trend so funny in retrospect, as during 2021, i was in the deepest depths of my anorexia, but like, could not mentally connect that i was actually relapsing/being actively anorexic because i was like "no, no, im that girl, im literally that girl". and like, im fine now so its just funny to me now lol
She has a fake fig tree in her house. I have a hard time trusting people who can't even have real plants.
She doesn’t have time to nurture a simple house plant. Too busy being in God’s word and living a Godly life… lol.
I have been trying to get healthier, and the stuff THAT girl does is basically what I’ve been doing. I’m THAT atheist boy, apparently. Waking up early is necessary because it takes a lot of time to do all this crap and clean up afterwards. I basically have to get up at six to get to work before nine.
Better not tell Jesus. He’ll curse it for not beating fruit. He has a weird thing for fig trees.
@@alexp6712what's the story about Jesus and fig trees, I'm now curious. I'm not Christian, so I don't know, but I like mythology!
@@polatouche7221 it’s an aside in another parable in Mark, where Jesus clears the temple. Jesus was hungry, and saw a fig tree. The text states clearly that it was not the season for figs, yet he checks anyway. He is angry that there are no figs, and curses the tree, withering it. Because of how absurd it is, it is often interpreted as an allegory for the temple itself. The season of the temple has passed, and therefore it bears no fruit and should be uprooted.
Some people seem to have the attitude of “the more rules and busyness, the better” If you’re too tired and stressed out to even think about sinning, I guess that’s seen as self improvement? Sounds like a good way to get burnt out and fall into even more sinful ways in order to cope
The getting up early thing is crazy. Thanks to my job, I'm stuck going to church on Sundays, and the speaker this past week was really pushing the getting-up-early message. He even said he doesn't care how late you're up, there's no excuse for sleeping in. I wanted to ask when my friend who works night-shift is supposed to sleep?
When there's literally no reason to get up early than if you have previous engagements 🙄 Like yes, sleeping at night and waking up to live during the day is generally helpful if your job allows it but that’s obvious and doesn’t need a sermon.
My biggest concern with this trend in general, religion centered aside. Is that it soooo ableist. It completely leave people with chronic illnesses, and mobility issues out of the equation. Not everyone is young, or able to just go for walks without assistance. Or some people have good days and bad days where you're barely getting through painful conditions. It's so selfish to assume that everyone has the luxury of even walking their dog midday. Also some people live in horrible neighborhoods. I grew up in the southside of chicago, going for a walk usually resulted in me being followed by some creep. I didn't have a car to drive anywhere, or have money for a gym membership. Like these people live a life of privilege and it really shows.
To add to the topic of "not being challenged is easier" I firmly believe that is the case because why else would strict Christian parents like mine tell their kids they're "not allowed" to consume certain content. Like for instance one of my parents' things was Harry Potter because it was straight up "witchcraft". OR an even bigger thing was like...not "exposing" kids to gay people because then the kids will ask what being gay is. They would rather just avoid the topic altogether rather than have any confidence in expressing their opinions and views on the matter apparently.
I love you guys videos!! On your conversation about discovering your own beliefs and having the tools to explore that, have you guys looked into Unitarian Universalism. I grew up as a UU and a big part of the faith is discovering new religions and finding your own personal beliefs and sharing and learning from others! Definitely not a source haha but I think you guys would really like some aspects of Unitarian Universalism!
Thank you for stating that so clearly that was really needed!
This could be just me...but I didn't grow up in a super-fundy environment, just a relatively "normal" church, and one thing that got hammered into us is that girls are to keep themselves mostly covered. We didn't go the whole nine with long skirts and full sleeves in summer but tight strapless tops and sleeveless short little tennis dresses would either be a complete no-no- or at least get you side-eye. I have noticed that a lot of these influencers, all of whom come from similar environments as my own, seem to have no issues showing skin, sometimes a lot of it. As an atheist today I think everyone should dress however they want. But these influencers belong to a religion that does NOT teach that, and yet they seem to ignore that.
Its interesting to me because they are sort of stuck in this bind of thinking they have to be all things pleasing to the male gaze AND chaised.
@@justine8387 I don't know, it might be that way for some, but the ones who have taken the time to address their fashion choices basically seem to be saying "This is how I want to dress and here's why it's modest when I do it."
Personally I hate the fact that "modesty" has become defined by our culture as "covering up". I hate that they feel like they have to justify how they want to dress. I want everyone to dress to their comfort level, and if that means covering yourself fully, that's what it means. If it means showing skin, that's also what it means. I just want everyone to be allowed to be themselves. I hate hearing stories of women being guilted into changing how they dress. In Ashley's case, I would tell her to wear what she wants and not let anyone tell her she should stop, but also to stop judging others or making videos about "cute but modest" clothing. Especially when modesty is so subjective and most of the people I used to go to church with would find a majority of her outfits immodest. It just opens the door to judgmental comments from followers like "how is that modest!?"
I'm the primary breadwinner for my family of 4 and I have chronic physical and mental health issues/disabilities. The best version of myself: is able to get out of bed with minimal pain (there is always pain), make it through the work day without having a major mental or physical health challenge, and getting home and having enough energy to actually hang out with my family before I have to go to bed. And I know that I still have it so much easier than so many other disabled people. Who has the time, money, or energy for any of this BS? I could be "that girl" once a month, and it will cost me every other day of the month to recover physically, mentally, and financially. "That girl" and "that Christian girl" are inherently classist and ableist concepts.