Horse Constantly Kicks Out!
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
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That’s what I would say. Usually there is pain or discomfort.
My horse started doing EXACTLY this and we x-rayed and found OCD/bone chips in both hind fetlocks! He was stoic for the longest time until he just couldn't hide it anymore, and then the kicking out started. He had surgery and is now 100% sound and well mannered under saddle. He wasn't lazy, he was hurting. He wasn't resisting, he was lame.
I know it's annoying to always hear people say check for pain etc when there's "bad" behavior but... check for pain! It's so often the culprit and horses are such amazing animals they will learn to shut down after not being heard for so long.
Agree.
This video helped increase my understanding of the purpose of resetting, and I can see so many flaws in my training thinking about the way I "make" my horses do xyz, and yet their depth of understanding isn't there. Thank you!
"I'm not telling him where to go, I'm showing him where not to be. " There's gold in that thought! So many good ideas that are here, I know I'll forget many. Thank you both!
“It’s about the conversation, not the number of laps“
I love the part where you said “he doesn’t need to call out because I am here and this is his herd.” It’s so important to know how they tick! I love these videos. Thank you 🦋
Best trainer I have watched! And I've been working with horses for 40 years.
I'm just blown away by how beautiful this horse is.
I think I just saw (at 44:53 on the timer) the rider crop her horse immediately after he followed her cues to move; perhaps not so coincidentally, the horse kicked out in the fashion they had been trying to avoid. Unless I misunderstood the rules of that game, the failure in that moment was on the part of the rider. I find it remarkable how frequently "problem horses" appear to me to be confused horses, with problematic riders as the underlying issue. Thanks for your patient teaching, RR.
Exactly what I noticed as well. She is - as most riders with issues - do - blaming the horse for being lazy etc. - what I see are many miscommunications, poor riding posture and rough stiff hands, etc, and a horse expressing confusion and frustration as she hits him after confusing him - very predictable.
I agree 💯 with you. I would say that the only 2 things that make a problem horse is #1 rider and #2 something medical. He is a beautiful horse that was never trained correctly from the start and then he had medical issues. This poor horse is definitely confused and scared at the same time.
Well I think you are right, actually you see it the fiiiirst seconds of the video, as soon as she touches him with the stick, he instantly kicks, but it's hard to see. I don't know, some horses hate the stick also, because of bad experiences or because they are sensitive. I ride sometimes a horse that hates the stick, he is so scared of it, so I just don't take it and it's completely fine without.
I think it's the rider not the horse to be honest.
@@PonyLoverEquestrian1010 Definitely the rider. They could both benefit tremendously from lessons together.
Being on OTTB I'd be concerned about kissing spine which requires x rays to diagnose.. I know that Ryan has an eagle eye and is incredibly good with horses as is his wife and I love watching them. I just hope all proper diagnostics have been done. Im such a softie for OTTB's.. ❤
My thought as well together with her poor riding skills, inability to communicate, and abuse of the crop. His hindquarters etc are not moving correctly and frankly I think he obviously has issues that are causing pain. Sigh.
@@AleisterCrowleyMagus I was wondering if her saddle fits her and the horse as well. I noticed when she was trying to disengage the hindquarters, she was leaning way off balance and she needs to bring the rein more to her hip?
Most people on here are so busy telling us how to fix this horse that they are completely missing all of the training skills this man is giving us. His training is working and proving that he knows more about how to fix this horses problems than all of the keyboard warriors.
Yes. His wife should evaluate this horse. Needs physical therapy or Chiropractor.
Just started listening but immediately thought pain with first kick
Thank You! That is what is telegraphing through the screen to me as well. Yes, she (the rider) needs instruction, better cues---but I believe that horse has some back pain and needs a chiropractic adjustment treatment or two. There's a pain block that's in his spine.
he simply doesn't like be kicked he doesnt like being whipped and I dont blame him. hes very sensitive and tries hard, its very evident because he quickly esponded to the sqeezes. shes so lucky to have had thia session with Ryan. great job Ryan 👏🏻
I had a horse that was sweet and quiet, but if you used your feet, she would kick. We were trail riding, and there was a downed tree she wouldn’t go past. After a couple of minutes of trying to let her see it was fine, and her still refusing to go. I gave her a little kick, and I swear we crow-hopped past it 😂
Y'all I'm just an amateur hobby rider so tell me if I'm wrong, but does anyone else see something wonky in this horse's movements? I feel like there's something off, maybe the right hind? Am I totally insane? Regardless of if I'm seeing things, I think it would be really good for Ryan to note that like 99% of the time, an issue like this is caused by pain. Poor saddle fit, lameness, teeth need floating, etc. This horse clearly has a lot of education and polishing needed and seemed to genuinely not understand what was being asked sometimes, but for the vast majority of people who encounter a horse kicking out under saddle, it's pain or discomfort, not naughtiness.
EDIT: said left hind, meant right. Right hind.
Absolutely agree with you. So much of training is just teaching a horse that their pain doesn't matter and that they need to "get over" it.
In the beginning of this video she said he was off for a year due to some illnesses. He probably needs to be worked to strengthen his muscles. I am sure he is still under vet care. Hope this helps.
@@bonniesears5286 I'm pretty sure Ryan has mentioned before that the horses are always checked before he goes to train them so I like to think so, but I've been very much disappointed by trainers' ethics before. I also just wanted to see if I was seeing things. So horses can do a hitch in their step with a nod because their muscles are weak, not necessarily due to pain?
My sickle hock horse was bracing and kicking, and avoiding being mounted. He was being trimmed balanced on the hind. 10 years of lameness and behavior issues until lateral hoof was left a bit longer. This was the result of 3 vets telling me mild arthritis and many farriers over the years.
He's a new horse now. He's willing and supple. Things can look right and be very wrong.
@CDN_Bookmouse if the horse cannot use its back properly because of the rider it can appear lame. It's known as "bridle lameness" at least in the uk. Don't know if there is a different name in the US.
That horse tunes her out alot.
I had to laugh at the beginning...old Goose was in his own little world😁!
He tunes her out because she doesn’t know enough about connection language and horse psychology especially for a left brained horse. After awhile these horses just say what is the point these humans don’t listen or understand.
really great and impressive! And many thanks to the rider for allowing herself to be filmed, it takes a lot of courage! This video helped me a lot for inspiration with my somewhat difficult gelding, who resists a lot of every kind of little pressure that he probably experienced during his training...
I apreciate the owner being wiling to be in video cause that takes some courage 👍
This really had great tips for leadership but in a soft manner. It is sad how critical some people are about rider ect as they are kind enough to share their training session to help others. Thank you for sharing
My thoroughbred started doing this years ago….
the vet told me it was because he was
“tied-up” in his back. He wasn’t doing it to be bad. He was actually in pain and I had to give him away to a six year old child, because the horse could only tolerate their weight and no more.
You should have kept the horse! Unless you couldnt pay for a horse your not riding any more, there is so much more possibilities, like legacy training and tricks that would not affect his back in any way!❤
What if that horse changed a 6 year old kid’s life for the better?
Lose weight, then, not give him away.
@@michelejohnson253yeah a 6 year old kid weighs 40lbs my dude. For a grown human that’s not even underweight, that is six feet under.
@@michelejohnson253 idiot
Kudos to her for getting Ryan to help her. I love the sweet look on his face, but he looks mischievous too.
Yeah, I've always thot Ryan was mischievous...😁
the rider needs to get help to close her fingers, soften her arms, get weight out of her seat and into her leg, and get more balanced over the same.
Thank you to the rider for allowing her session to be posted online for public flogging. Brave lady! This was extremely helpful information for one of my horses than can have that similar kicking out reaction to the “go” button when I’m asking for collection/forward… I tried it today, and I already saw a difference! Don’t bother leaving ugly comments about “kissing spine,” “back issues,” “hock problems,” ad nauseam, ad infinitum; he’s been fully vetted and the vet said and I quote, “Nothing wrong with him except what’s between his ears.”
I'd love to see these two in about 6 months.
Yes, please !!
This was great. A lot of riders wouldn't want to be filmed here because the cowboys come in to criticize, but she's a pro, and I bet what she learned here taught others. Thank you.
Am I the ONLY one who watched this girl ride him in the beginning and her whole body was leaning back saying to the horse not to go, but WHILE she was asking him to go?
Such a fantastic video.... timing is everything and having a conversation rather than dictate... priceless. Thanks Ryan.
is no one else seeing the rear left leg walking slightly off? especially during rear view, see his hock shifting an extra move- double jointed or something..? I know Ryan eliminates all vet potentials, but I'm seeing an issue... like either an old injury, or needs adjustment?
Agree, something is off with the rear hind leg. Very wobbly and dragging the toe
I see this too. I noticed it doesn't track up as far as the right hind either. I wonder if there is some weakness on that side. Maybe an old injury. I'd be curious to see if it changes if this horse were to do pole work and other strengthening exercises.
He could have ulcers.
Great video. Thank you. Loved seeing the subtle changes in this horse’s communication skills and responses. His owner/rider did a great job taking instruction and putting it into action. That can be so difficult in the moment.
Gorgeous horse. Love his effortless movement with nice impulsive…once you got him understanding what was asked…and how he needs to respond.
Really enjoy your analytical, open minded approach to horse training/communication. You really ‘make room for the horse’!
My young Arab mare used to do the same thing until I really focused on building hock and hind end strength and helping her find confidence in her own strength. She still very occasionally kicks out (very mildly) when frustrated with herself, but that just tells me she needs more time to get something. Now that she's stronger and more balanced, she's much softer and more willing. I do continue stretches and bodywork with her though, to prevent stiffness and soreness.
Mr. Rose's instruction, as usual, is spot on. But the rider's stirrup length is too short for hunt seat, which is, in this case, is resulting in her legs being too far forward and not in any way underneath her, and in her sitting too far back. Longer stirrups would permit a better seat and more effective leg use.
That reset is a game changer! I let my horse graze on our rides as we have no pasture at home. However, getting her to pick up and go again after 5-10 minutes was getting harder and she was just getting more dull. Two days of doing the reset and she gets going again after just my intention! So amazing how that little bit helps! (I want to mention that for ME it was more difficult to remember to STOP and reset, as we can get so ingrained to just keep asking. Such a great exercise!!!)
Beautiful. What an excellent video. It’s like an art, amazing to see the change in this horse so quickly. Well done Ryan 👏🏻
He is simply brilliant. He knew he was in control and he knew NO. When you get him to be in your herd and play with you in a willing fashion he will be stunning.
Excellent Ryan, I think you really helped her to help him. You call it a conversation (which is fine) I call it a dance. Great lesson, I think after she learns to "dance" 😉 with Goose, he's going to be a great partner for her. Love and God Bless 💜 ✝️ Jennifer in AZ
Yep this horse needs to go back to all the fundamentals. Lots and Lots of ground work and lots of calm and confident leadership will get that stream of communication going. Don't try to force a horse into something they are afraid of or do not understand...convince them they want to work through the pressure to be with you. Ryan's totally right on this big boy.
This is an amazing lesson and reset on this horse. SO much to observe/learn here. This is super!
Wow Ryan that was so impressive you made such a positive change in the way the horse thinks. Love your videos learn so much. Wish my budget would allow me to be on patreon so appreciate you sharing these videos.
Where do you train out of? Do you let students come and observe??
mi am from the western side where your mind set is not heard of.
I want to come watch and learn,
definitely something about the weight of the rider or saddle fit...the horse was going well enough with tack on on the lunge and didn't seem bothered about kicking out, but when she is on him he has the nasty reaction of the pinned ears and kick almost from her weight on him and or the saddle pinching him when she is on. just my opinion and general sight from what i see so far with this horse and rider but also could contribute to the fact of the horse having spine issues as a ex racehorse owner myself and i work with racehorses for a living they are not treated the nicest nor the best unless they are worth a lot or are racing well enough (getting win, place, or show remarks when they run). i could 100% be wrong but this is just what i'm currently seeing through the video...either way this horse is stunning and the rider definitely wants the best for him and for him to succeed!!
Thanks for sharing this session. Very valuable instruction. I appreciate that the rider was quietly watching and listening to everything Ryan demonstrated.
Thanks Ryan, you helped me understand that it is about communication more than compliance. Teach the horse to think for himself. Well done.
Has anyone noticed his back leg? It doesn’t look right. It wobbles too much. Not straight.. or am I just seeing the wrong thing?
What a brilliant video! So much to take from and try out. Fab, thanks Ryan 👏👏🙂
Thanks
This video is proof positive as to what an incredible trainer Ryan is! Broken down into such easy to understand language for both the human and the horse. I can't wait to teach my horse these skills.......although he gladly trots out when out on a trail ride, he is VERY reluctant to move out when ridden in the ring. He clings to this slow little jog and threatens to buck when I pressure him to move out. Thank you yet again, Ryan! And I love the longer film footage because we can see the entire, slow progression in this horse and rider.
Excellent examples of bracing vs leaning into.
Awesome video! Great "teaching" attitude with horse AND rider! Thanks for sharing.
What a great tutorial for a complicated issue! Thank you!! So much fun to watch,
Fantastic video- very informative!
Great video! A common problem and such a nice fix from Ryan! Thank you for sharing!!
After reading many comments,I would trust what Ryan has to say.The results speak for themselves. He really knows what he is doing!
You are such a blessing to horses and their owners. Thank you!
Cute horse! Love seeing the light turn on when they start to understand!
Yes this session has a lot very thoughtful observations & intructions about both horse & rider. I love Ryan's explanations of the psychology and understanding of horses.
Wonderful video!
Great video. Great progress! Beautiful work and horse! ❤
😃👍
Bravo !
Another very fine videos we all look forward to and One of your extra ⭐️ learning/results episodes.
This was fascinating to watch.
That was brilliant I almost teared up when they got it right. Ryan is an amazing horseman/person.
Brilliant teacher, so clear, such good observations and understanding horse brain. I learn so much. Thank you.
Brilliant. Not even a horse owner but love the communication pathways happening here.
This was phenomenal - I really enjoyed this session :)
Great video, thanks Ryan!
👍 you bet
Excellent video!
I really like your explanation here Ryan!
I really needed this video, thank you! 😊
this horse is great how he responds to clear communication of less is more. He leans into pressure while saying no. I wish there was time in this video for you to address the riders style of stopping. you were able to clearly help her with the forward, but the other end needed attention too. I also love how you taught to listen to the subtle signs of stress and how to relax him. I learned something new, thank you Ryan.
amazing work you are a true training
Nice training, great job at teaching the rider how to get the horse to cooperate in a fair way.
Great explanation thankyou
great job Ryan 👏🏻
PLEASE do more videos like this I have a TB mare that has similar problem with connecting with human leader instead of tracking to anything else. Will walk right over the top of you until you get agressive back then corrects but only short time and start all over. Only no problem going forward.
brilliant trainer and teacher, thanks for this video!!!
Lots of words
Ryan.
Thanks for sharing my horses similar.
Great session.. I loved how you broke down how direct line the owner was being, hopefully she’ll start being much more thoughtful like for instance putting the bridle on … all of it matters to the horse, I loved the change in him when you were going over the 3 circle game. He got soft and was engaged with you… this was probably my favorite video …
love this Ryan! I am also training an OTTB so this really helps!😃
Thank you both so much for this video. My horse does the same same thing! Finally I know what to do. This video is a great help!
What an absolutely stunning horse. I do love a dapple grey.
This horse is absolutely gorgeous. Looking forward to finishing the video as Ryan always has great advice.
Edit - A lot of folks are saying that the horse has to be in pain, and it looks like he's in pain. I don't think that's the case here. If the horse is having as much tension as Ryan is suggesting, then the discomfort could be from that, not necessarily something like Kissing Spine or an injury. I'd be curious to see this horse several months later after some work on relaxing and finding some ease during his rides. I'm sure that "pain signal" would go away.
but I'm not an expert, and most of us are not in this comment section, this is just my opinion and perspective. Sometimes attitude comes from genuine pain. But since this horse was willing to go on the ground, and even after being pushed and challenged still found some ease in his movement, I'm not inclined to believe this is a true pain issue.
He’s just stunning!!!
...the horse isn't bad, either x
@@marciamcgrail5889 Touché
Wow great work. I love the instruction of slow down with the going through the steps. I tend to do the bing, bang, boom let’s get it done.
Ryan you do such a great job of explaining. Like I said before, I need a little Ryan on my shoulder whispering in my ear. And I’m a member. Always watching.
Fantastic Ryan
I've had a couple of OTTs. They can be very challenging.
They lean on the bit, they are unbalanced as they never turn on the track, and they get no ground work. They also work in pretty much constant pain, which jeans they don't see riding as optimal!
She did well to reach out...but I woukd also incorporate some long on the lead walking on trails.
Change up his time with you to some relaxed time and add riding. Using what Ryan does with this will help him reset his track brain.
Ryan, I believe you have demystified the elusive half-halt. "Bring your energy up...". Best explanation I have ever heard for the brief subtle aid that lets the horse know to rebalance because a change is coming. Do you know there have been chapters written on it, books on this very subject?
Look up the books written by the head of the lippizaner riding school Alois Podhajsky.
So good Ryan
Looks familiar, respect for a leader. Beautiful horse
This is a great video
He doesn't seem to have pain when the rider was on during lunging, so it didn't seem to be a pain issue. The rider doesn't seem comfortable in her seat and hands. Horses sense your attitude. Ryan is so great at this!
MORE CONTENT! Btw, great video. I`ve stopped using Netflix and am just watching your instructional videos. One day I'll cross roads with a horse and boy I'll be ready!
This was great!
Love your Training
So amazing!
A rider that listens! It looked like great progress. Thx & Rgds ^RW (Novice)
beautiful horse
He's beautiful... reminds me of the late, great, Arrogate, who died too young. Definitely have to start with whether the horse is introverted, or extroverted. I think I learned that from you, Ryan. 😁
Beautiful Horse.
My mare used to not want to go forward when I put my leg on. She would pin her ears as well, so that first thing i did was check for pain. I was worried she might have ulcers or something. Turned out that was not the case! It was just her saying no. Now when I ride her she has little to no responce, depending on her mood. Really cool to see you work through this!
Awesome video, thank you. You really do a great job Ryan! Look at the horse how he is relaxed after Ryans exercises! Only one thing: I would recommend the rider to take riding lessons for improving her seat. The most time she is in the "stool-seat", leaning backwards. So this could lead to other problems later.
Nice job.
That is awesome!
Thanks
Thanks
You make a great point and I absolutely agree. A lot of people say that a horse can’t be “stubborn”, that noncompliance is always either confusion or human error, but as you explained an intelligent horse absolutely can choose to say, “No thank you, I’d rather not”. Mustangs teach you that more than anything I think. They don’t do something just because you asked and they know what you want. They can be totally clear on what you’re asking and what they’re supposed to do and decide they’d rather do something else instead. Now that’s not to say they do it out of malice or specifically to piss us off (even though sometimes it might feel like it lol)
I have both kinds of mustangs my Paisley desert OR, mare Tori is my no I don't want to horse and my Stewart's Creek WY, mare Riata is my I can't that is scary horse.
He seems calm when nobody is sitting on him so it seems like pain to me as well. Also possibly overworked in his past or not treated well so refusing in fear & cautious refusal. He doesn't seem stubborn.
I know the horse was likely vetted, but kissing spine comes to mind.
Good suggestion!
Something is off with the hindquarters, almost dragging or a weakness and that tail is really swishing. You could be right.
The longer I watch him treating it like a behavioral issue alone, the more pissed off in getting, so I'm out. I've never been too impressed with Ryan Rose, so I'm out.
@@sharigirardeau3367 So, apart from his behaviour, what else do you see?
@@sharigirardeau3367 I agree. I also saw a rider with poor posture and stuff hands constantly confusing her horse and then getting angry when he expressed frustration. The riding crop immediately and hitting is a huge huge red flag. This poor boy had likely track injuries as well.
Yeah I agree, especially with being an OTTB, it's like he can't take a full stride
Take xrays of the cervical region (c1 and especially c6/c7)and ribs (t1/2), this behaviour is well known with ecvm horses.