8 Lies Recruiters tell you!
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2017
- 4 vs 6 year contracts
Let's talk about common lies about 4 year contracts vs 6 year contracts.
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how are you going to put food on the table when you go to school when you leave the air Force.Are you going to live with your Parents? Go to work at Wal Mart?Just stay in the Air Force and go to school.Without an A&P your not going to make double the money outside.
If you make Staff Sargent you'll make 30 an hour with BAS and BAH.
Wrong. I’m out right now. Took 2 years off and just got a job making 29/hr. I make around $500 every two weeks than when I was in the Air Force and I worked around 55hrs/week. Now I work 40. No more. I’ve got no responsibility or stress in my job now either. It’s easy. If I work overtime, I get paid extra. Going to school you have the GI Bill. So I can get paid $2,000/month to go to school on top of working full time. In the Air Force I don’t get extra money and still have to work 55hrs/week and balance school. No thanks 🤣 my life is 10x better now that I’m out.
Airman Vision what is ur job as of now
@@joshmiller5476 if you watched his videos still, he is a contractor basically doing his AF job as a civilian
@@AirmanVision - I am 64, and retired from the Air Force 26 years ago. I have been given over half a million dollars, cash money, in direct military pension payments...with another 20 years additional to go. I have made FAR more in pension than I earned on active duty. Good on you for doing what you want...but financially, I made out like a freaking bandit.
Dennis Svitak ran in to a retired AF MSgt..someone(joking around) told him to get a job..he replied I don't need to get a job and sneaked off like a bandit with his buddies lmao
It's 2 am I'm not going to the military.i sould go to bed
Carter Howlett Lmfaooo
Same I get caught up on these videos
I feel this comment so much 🤣 currently 1:25 am lmao
Lmaooo
Omg lmfaoooo 💀
Yeah, but when you're making twice as much as a civilian you have to pay for housing, food, health insurance etc. So in reality, you're not making much more.
Grizz that’s what happens when he only has experience from the military side of things. You’re right! Wait till he finds out how much health care costs for a family!
joshua aguilar nightmare that youse don’t live In the uk
Hard-tradesmen are making bank though, especially plumbers, piperfitters, and HVAC technicians.
The thing I loved with my recruiter is he kept it real and genuine and didnt Force you into anything. When I talked with the marines, I felt like I was getting forced into it
yuh they might be more annoying they act nicer i ain even met the army recruiter in person i just need to get this diploma online im prolly goin to go army marines might take longer from what the army rc said
Marines challenge your manhood. That is their biggest recruiting tool.
Actually same. Kept me out when i was 18. They were trying to twist my arm like crazy lol
Thought I would add, doing 6 years allows me to actually finish a bachelors degree while 4 wouldn't have. And now I can use my GI bill on a Masters Degree.
Reserves or active duty
Brandon Asif reserves most likely
Probably reserves
If reserv, he would mention.
Also, Kyle in the video talks about active duty all the time.
Why do you think reserv ?
If education is their main goal, I agree that 4 year contract is the way to go but remain in the Active Reserves the next 2 years and then Inactive Reserves the last 2 years. That way, you only go one weekend a month and two weeks a year; giving you some extra money while you're in school.
Thats what lots of active people do, expect they just reenlist in the reserves
"Extra money" looool
Civilian contractors don't get health benefits.
How much more extra we talking?
@@jesusaragon718 ?
I signed a 4 year contract myself and then left active duty April 15,2017 and now im a full time student in Texas. It has been amazing. Zero dollar's for school is the most amazing feeling, And im collecting a housing allowance/food allowance :)
Glad I watched the video and read this before going today
@@officialjeremiahblake Sign a 6 year if you want a good time, you will love the air force
@@rats335 why 6? Do you get more with 2 more years?
I absolutely love this. As a retired (24yr.) Capt. with 14 yrs. of stripes, 11 yrs. overseas, 2.5 in RVN. Came in with an IBM Wiring Operator's License (1966) and left with an MBA in Info Systems (worked on everything from punched cards to fiber optics). This young man speaks the ABSOLUTE truth.
All you need to know about recruiting, is to get a GUARANTEED job, when you sign the dotted line. In Basic, they told me my guaranteed job was no longer available, and I called their bluff. Amazingly, my job opened back up. Stick to your guns. GET A GUARANTEED JOB.
What is a “guaranteed job”?
How do you get a job guaranteed? I want to be a Cryptologic Language Analyst, and my recruiter keeps telling me that she can't guarantee me a job. Please tell me where I can learn more ablut this!! Thank you!
@@harrisonrodriguez5622 wondering same thing
@@harrisonrodriguez5622 have it in your contract
@@Deeznutz... read above
I can't believe recruiters lie. Especially with information at our fingertips.
Emotions cause you to ignore even obvious flaws in reasoning. Everyone in sales tries to do it. Some guys are great at it.
A recruiter is the equivalent of the military used car salesman/if it's not in writing it wasn't even mentioned.
Recruiters are basically the sales team for the Air Force. Its all about making the quota. Good video Kyle.
My husband has a great recruiter now. I'm so glad I found your channel though. You've answered so many of my questions that I haven't gotten to ask the recruiter yet! Air Force is sounding more and more good for our family.
"Make sure you tie your boots right! I'll make a video about it. On the military bunks, its better to sleep on your back. I'll make a video about that. After you get out and you want to start making youtube videos...i'll make a video about that too"
Where are the videos :(
Salary as a civilian vs a military is similar. The military needs to be competitive to keep their personnel. If you know you'll make more money as a civilian the less likely for someone to join. Your military benefits package needs to be factored into your salary because believe it or not it is very significant.
Yeah, military benefits are way better than civilian.
Agreed. Paying for college, insurance, housing and food all are HUGE benefits
You should be a recruiter
He really should
He would be AMAZING as a recruiter. I'm watching this thinking "bro... get into recruiting command on the double." He would rock.
It would be nice, but they have to make a quota to live. That's the reason they tell their "lies" in the first place. Tell them something that is technically true, but mostly false based on your specific situation.
They wouldn’t allow that because he’ll tell the truth
He answers that at 16:49
I've been in the airforce almost 4 years and all this information is accurate. However, one thing to consider when joining for college is that you receive 4500 dollars of TA(tuition assistance) each year to go toward the price of your college classes. Any classes in excess of the 4500 will have to be paid for out of pocket, or with your GI bill. You have 100% access to your GI bill after you do half of your enlistment (please double check the ''access'' thing on the internet, cause I'm only 90% sure). In my case, i signed for 6 years and will have my college almost completely paid for by TA around the time I get out. Then I have my GI bill at my disposal for a masters degree. Just some food for thought in case kyle didn't already address this in another video (Great Videos by the way, I wish I had this guidance before I joined.)
Andrew Dove-Rivers how many classes can you take given your schedule? I thought he mentioned only two classes per semester?
Yea I signed a 6 and I’m almost done with my first year. Ima use my ta to get my bachelors then when I get out ima use my hazelwood act for my masters so if u enlist in tx don’t be too quick to use that gi bill
Andrew Dove-Rivers question I get free college for two years , should I knock out my AA first, then go to air force so they can pay for my Bachelors?
Mss.Holmes makes the most sense plus u could probably get ur ccaf with the credits from ur aa which jus puts u that much more ahead
Yes, this is why I did 6. I finished my BA in my first enlistment (and I joined at 17 straight after graduating HS. I decided to reenlist and am completing my Master's now. Been in going on 8 years. My son has my GI bill now.
I’m 16 and very interested in the Air Force. I’m so lucky that so many people like you make these informative videos so ik whats true and what isn’t. Thank you for the insight.
@Prank ster Why you say that?^ why army and not air force? i want someone to lay it out also why air force and not army. thanks in advance
chevylover891 I don’t think he knows anything and just commented that for no reason
Actually you have no idea if what this person is saying is true or not. He’s giving you his experience at a certain point in time and things do change. Honestly as a retired Soldier and former recruiter, most of these videos are crap.
gotta say it's awesome to see Kyle being so real like this instead of just speaking the blue. half way through my own contract. respect brother, your videos are awesome
I scored a 70 on the asvab just sworn in last week. Thanks for the tips! Now just waiting on a job. Air Force bound 🙌🏼
How is it? Im thinking of joining
@@SalLifevlog I took it in school and it's pretty easy on the math part for me and along with the science part, had difficulty on the mechanics part , I ended up scoring a 70
Lol I like how we all got a 70
@@NCRRanger16 I got an 85 on the asvab, once I finish high school I'm hoping of joining in and becoming a linguist
how’d it go?
I'm thinking about joining the Air Force and this video was really informative. Thank you! (:
So what was your decision
Did you join?
you join
Did you do it?
Thanks Kyle you've helped more than anyone has, even people in the airforce currently! I am going through basic this February and will post a video on the update.
Seriously, thank you so much for making this video. I've been having a difficult time debating on whether I wanted to join or not, and what branch...thank you for your service, and this video!
Did you join?
I will soon be meeting my recruiter for the Air National Guard I'm glad I saw your video before I met them to start the process of going into the Air National Guard.
Helps a lot because I'm going into the Air Force Reserves! Thank gosh that I found this video
Thank you for these videos!
I’m so glad I watched your videos before joining the Air Force. I’m about to speak to a recruiter in the next couple of days. Now I know what to expect and be able to know the truth of what he tells me and if it’s not. I want to finish nursing as soon as possible but I was worried about how expensive the school’s going to be that’s why I’m still deciding if I should join or not. Thank you so much for making this video! I’ve subscribed and I’m hoping to see you make more videos. 😊😊💙
I was a six year enlistee, at age 17. I made E-3 at the end of BMT. I was selected for SrA BTZ (below the zone), at 18 months. This is E-4. I tested for SSgt, and scored high enough to be promoted at the end of the "B" cycle. I was 20 when I sewed on SSgt...one of the youngest SSgt's in Air Force history.
I dicked around and took 8 years total to make Tech, and made MSgt first time testing. 10 years 9 months sewed it on...then sat. Didn't make Senior until over 18. Tested SIX TIMES for Senior. Said screw this, retired with 20 years 23 days TAFMS.
Eight years to sew on Tech isn't bad.@@dennissvitak148
Love your videos Kyle! They are always so informative and entertaining! Keep up the great work!
Thank You so much Kyle for giving Alot of information and letting every one know what's good and what's wrong in the military my daughter will be joining in two years after she graduates high school I've been following you for a long time and you are really great at what you do not to many people go on CZcams and give the right information but your great please keep making more Air Force videos me and my daughter are we very interested in it Thank you once again for being honest love ya 💖😊👍
I'm thinking of joining the AF. This video was informative. Thank you! I'm trying to get as informed as I can before I make any decisions!
Just in case anyone is wondering (because I was) if you sign a 6-year contract with a guaranteed AFSC like Spec Ops/ATC and then wash out, you're keeping that 6-year contract regardless of your reassigned AFSC.
DC3893 yes. Source currently in and buddy just had the same thing happen
Is electrical engineering a 6 year contract? I want to join but I'm not that knowledgeable and am trying to learn a bit before talking to a recruiter.
ryan dravinski Virtually any job can be done on a 4 year contract, except for the ones that require really long training periods, like special operations and such. And maintenance jobs, like yours, don't fall into that category.
Your videos make me happy and they are sooooo effin helpful. I was considering the army and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna try for the Air Force since I have the ASVAB score.
this might have been a while ago but this still helped me a lot thank you!!!
About #2, they say that because after getting your first base, you have a higher chance of PCSing overseas with the retainability unless you're willing to extend/reenlist. It's their way of bending the truth.
This video should be called 4-6 year contracts and the lies and misconceptions that your recruiters give you
woah man! I am so glad I watched this. I just took the AFOQT to pursue commissioning as a civilian, and I was told if I don't get accepted then I can sign a 6 year and have a better chance at getting in while enlisted. definitely going to keep what you said in mind.
Thank you for being very informative I can give this information to my two sons
I was told signing a 6 year contract is more likely to attract the dependa than a 4
You just go in with one like me, that way you get BAH all while youre in tech school and even BMT
attract what?
No
glad I heard that before I ship out
My husband never lies when he was a recruiter because it was someone kids life on the line and now our son is in the Airforce and his recruiter was great!
give us more videos yeah! this helped me thanks !
I don’t want to be lied too! 🤦🏾♀️
Can you make a video talking about the types of jobs that allow for the most travel.
Subscriber from Alaska! Love the videos!
Thanks for the honesty
You plan on joining soon ?
BEST VIDEO ON THE INTERNET! THANK YOU! 🧠💯💪🏾🇺🇸
I always hear people also say x civilian job pays 2 times as much on the outside or it pays more on the outside. Something to consider with that as well is the cost of living. Housing, utilities, and other bills. Military pays a decent amount. You won't get rich. But in all honesty when you factor in rent and "civilian bills" vs what the military provides for you its not that much of a difference I have found. Your looking at 60k+ to begin to make more on the outside... If you can make more then 60k a year you'll be making more.
For real. My husband is getting out this year and i know the switch from military to civilian is gonna be hard so ive decided to join
Health insurance
Tax exemptions
wenll it depends on what the civilian job is. If you’re Services, you’ll get marketable skills for fast food or working as an attendant at a fitness club unless you want to be a sous or executive chef putting in your best for culinary skills, work in the federal service as a wage grade cook, or make a career and get a federal job at the Services Activity. Contracting or IT, you can almost write your own ticket for a good job after serving 4 years and without a degree, Security Forces will get you a modest GS-6 job as a civilian cop on base, medical will get you low paying EMT or medical assistant jobs unless you want to further your education and be a nurse or PA, communications is complicated, I don’t know, CE will get you a nice union tradesman job or federal job, munitions will get you a civilian job on base, admin will get you a job as a secretary, whatever I left out, I don’t know. Bottom line is unless you have at least a 4 year degree, federal service is the best you can do post-military.
BUT, for those of you wanting to get out, please consider this: a guaranteed paycheck every 2 weeks, opportunity to travel the world for free, almost free education, and 30 days paid leave a year. Oh and free medical and dental.
also you need licenses in the civilian world... like A&P, anything medical, others (even pilot) (!) Licenses cost $$. Jobs are ot guaranteed. Military experience counts for suat in the real world.
I'm so glad my recruiter told me these things.
I was always told to get it in writing on the contract before you sign. That way if they try to say they can't you can point to the contract and do all you have to to put their feet to the fire.
BUT those two classes you are allowed to take at a time, you can use TA, not pay a dime out of pocket and not have to touch your GI Bill. My husband is working on his second degree and has yet to touch his GI Bill and is also working on nursing classes.
I joined the USAF in 1988 and my recruiter was straight up with me and she even wrote me a couple letters when i was in BMT.
Kyle you are the best!👊🏼
THANK YOU FOR TELLING ME about the re-enlistment because I wanted to do 4 and they got me thinking about the 6 because they made it seem like I wouldn't be able to re-enlist with much chance to get accepted i leave this Tuesday (July 18) and now you made my mind, 4 year it is!
Awesome video battle! HOOAH! It's great that you're helping a lot of people out!
Ericka Bernie hey there
Ericka Bernie im in the army lets chat on your video I'm a mechanic what s ur job?
You're eyes are gorgeous I kept losing focus; thanks for vids they're very informative! I have considered joining even special Ops 😬
Wish we hv watched this before my son had signed the 6 yrs. Contract... He's now taking the BMT.... I shared this video i hope he'll get to watch it before he leaves boot camp.
I worked in a non military government position in the Barnes Building in Boston. The MEPS reception area was on the floor that the cafeteria was on. It was fun watching the recruiters form each service circling like sharks trying to steal the recruits.
Kyle you should be a recruiter just saying
Try to get over continually kicking yourself in the arse for making the mistake of signing up for 4 vs 6--use the extra energy and continuing paycheck & benefits to plan your transition into civilianhood. The time will fly by and you'll soon be on the other side of the fence with access to all those high-salary, high-benefit, low-stress jobs out here.
You got me with the handy dandy notebook 😂😂 I liked and subscribe right away. Thanks for making this video man 😁👍🏼
I went and did as much research as I possibly could, and then I went into the recruiter to hear him say what I already looked up.
Hey Kyle. I'm a big fan of your videos. Recently, I found out that my cousin will be getting married in November of this year in Las Vegas. It would be such an honor and privilege to meet you in person.
One big thing to also consider is re-enlistment bonus's. So while you may not get one or may get a small one see what the re-enlistment bonus's are. For example intel. When I re-enlisted I got 60,000 dollars....half of that tax free and up front since I was deployed when i did it. If I had signed for 4 years I could have gotten it sooner. However at the same time 2 years sooner and I wouldnt have been deployed to get it tax free. So consider the timing of it all in terms of do you want to stay in and re-enlist and if you do is there a sign on bonus? If there is 4 year may be the way to go so you can get to re-enlistment sooner then go for the 6 years. :)
Great vid fam!
Just under two months until I find out if I'm in as an officer or not....can't wait to collab with you!!!!
Don't EVER sign an Open contract. Went Open General hoping for Security Forces and got stuck with Services. Wouldn't have it any other way since I love job.
Love your videos, Vision. Giving great insight to our future Airmen.
I died at 12:32. Thanks for these videos man
“Yes, six years is longer than four years.” Hahahahahahha! That’s hilarious
Great video
I saw when the video was posted. So I went off the 2016 pay chart the exact numbers would have been $4834.4. However, it’s a lot more now. But you are correct not much of a difference.
For young guys, a 4 year route might be true to get your degree. For some others, who have kids, and want to pass on their degree, staying in as long as possible and using the T.A. to get your degree is the best way to stack up success for you and your off spring.
TA?
Solo Sopranoh tuition assistance
Good info
You can cross train if the position you are going to is under manned. I cross trained into Helicopter Flight Engineer(Aircrew Mission Specialist now). The process was actually pretty easy, but that was back in 01-02. Might be harder now. Back then it also required a 6 year reenlistment
"They don't really like you taking more than two classes at a time" - False, this completely depends on you. If your supervision can tell classes are effecting your job performance. They can restrict your classes down but I know several Airman who were able to take 2,3,or 4 classes at a time and manage. It is all about the individual. However, if you are denied TA(Tuition Assistance) you still can use GI Bill while serving as active duty. Your supervision can not deny that from you.
Overall great and accurate video.
Jordan Thompson how do you qualify for TA while you’re enlisted already? How do you get denied?
Your first priority is to the military. Everything else is secondary.
can u do a video about the medical field in the air force please
That's funny my recruiter just told me that if you want to go overseas you should sign for 6 years. Appreciate your videos and thank you for your service.
Someone that speaks truth!
"Where the H*ck are my 50,000 dollars?" lol😂... thanks for the info kylie
When I signed my contract at MEPS, I asked the difference between 4 and 6 years and he said there’s almost no difference. He said some jobs and some pay are different and that’s it. So I picked 6 just in case 🤷🏼♀️
Would I be able to do it with asthma?
@@davidb6722 no
There was an MD in the 80s that signed a 4 year contract. He agreed to go anywhere for 1st 2 years. His contract said second 2 years at Ft Sam burn center. The Army wouldn’t allow it. He sued. The Army wasn’t going to be bound by some contract! They discharged him rather than set the precedent that you could sue over your contract and win.
Good video!
What kind of videos do you plan on making after the Air Force??
xXuknowhoitisXx hahaha
Shayd Warr he started blogging with Makena. so I think they'll go along with that.
There's no incentive for recruiters to get recruits to sign 6 years, I'm not sure why they would lie, current air Force recruiter
If you don't mind me asking. How does a recruiter get jobs to give out? Does the air force only send you specific ones and that's what you have or as a recruiter can you look for certain jobs for people? I hope this makes sense.
@@noahrodriguez they have a list of jobs that each recruiter has to reserve a job for their applicants using a draft system.
My Recrutier says he can’t guarantee a job I want even if I get the score on the asvab, is this true ? And if it is could Recruiters tell you if the job has availability so I have a better chance of getting it?
Kyle Gott, do not separate completely. Go "palace chase" if you dead set on getting out of active duty! Great video.
His last advice is the best advice! Go Guard!
When you sign up for any branch you're obligated to a 8 year contract !!!! You can still sign up for 4,6 or 8 year doesn't matter just that you are sent to inactive reserve status once you exit from active duty.
until the army signs you into a 2 year infantry contract
They told me the least I can do in the reserves is 6 years, ik they gotta be lying!
Awesome 😎
howdy Gott,
Been a fan of your channel for a while...Your advice is REALLY helping me mentally, physically and emotionally getting prepped for BMT & Tech.
I HAVE to ask: Does the DOD require a mandatory service of EIGHT years, no matter what term one chooses? Either a four year term or a six year contract?
I look forward to your response.
Thank you.
How do you like living in the neon desert, man?
The GI bill is "36 months" which translates to 9 months for two semesters a year
I was told if I sign a six year contract I will get better benefits and more money than if I would sign a four year. I was thinking about joining the national guard so if I sign a six year, four out of those six years would be spent in college. Any thoughts?
Thank you, I’m wanting to join the US Air Force in 3-5 years
Hi Kyle, can you please make a video about scar regulations when joining the Air Force?
On the education I actually would say your wrong on....partially. So yes you can get out and go to college full time. However it lasts only 36 months or 3 years. So what you need to actually do is plan. What degree do you want? Where do you want to go? How long will it take you? If you can knock it out in about 3 years then yes do the 4 years. of military. However if your wanting a masters or maybe wanting your degree while saving your gi bill for a family member Id advise going to school while in the military as much as you can so 6 would be better. Last thing you want is to be going to school full time and then final semester or so have to pay out of pocket. Or maybe you'd rather do that then have another 2 years in. Just plan it out.
knock out all of your generals during your time in service. once you get out, you will receive 4 years of free college from the GI Bill. the GI Bill only covers a junior degree, such as an associates or bachelors. you cannot use it for a masters+.
I loved his video... I'm going to enlist on 91b mos ARMY,,, RESERVE.
Thanks for the helpful videos Kyle!
I would assume you can't really cross-train when you have a maintenance job because of how undermanned that career area is.
I agree if you are about making money, my father-in-law is an aircraft mechanic and works in Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany as a civilian contractor and he is currently in Afghanistan and he makes very very good money.
Good luck to what ever it is that you'll do after the Air Force.
can you please do a video about going enlisted and focusing on education and maybe trying to get into the air force academy? thanks
Question!
could you do a video on all of the matinance jobs in the air force?
**Air Force
sorry
Buddha 6th , go to the airforce.com and you can look up any Afsc you'd like as well as a breakdown on what each one is.
Jason Awesome! Thanks :)
No problem! Good luck and definitely do your research on the afsc you get offered
Jason Will do, again. thanks. are you in the Air Force
My recruiter gave me my job list and highlighted a select batch (a lot of 2As) basically he told me I had to pick 6 from the highlighted nd 2 of whichever I want. The highlighted weren’t my first picks but regardless, he convinced other people to obey him.