LIVE: Post Office inquiry: watch Alan Bates give evidence on scandal
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- Alan Bates, the campaigner who helped to expose critical flaws in Post Office IT systems, is appearing before the public inquiry into the scandal as it enters a crucial phase.
The former sub-postmaster, played by Toby Jones in the recent ITV drama, is being asked about the company’s response to the scandal, which led to 900 sub-postmasters being prosecuted for stealing due to faulty information given by the Horizon computer system.
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I can't listen to the 'Post Office ' cover up without feeling pure anger , the mental & physical torture they willingly inflicted on innocent hard workers for the community. Nothing less than prison sentences have to be dished out no cover up Justice for the innocent. Shameful act will go down in history & never forgiven or forgotten.
it does not matter how hard you work and for how long .if you stepping on tory hands out for proffit we going to jail.
I can understand your anger and the terrible thing is that the people responsible for the cover up could still be going to their luxury home,bed and food and no problem sleeping.
Sadly many have no problem doing exactly that. Always been the case, I so wish it wasn’t. A Democracy meant to address things like this, but ours doesn’t work.
And this is what the privatisation of public owned businesses gets you.
If the people involved in this coverup aren’t subjected to criminal proceedings it will be a huge travesty of justice to those poor people whose lives they destroyed. Unbelievable .
Post Office was not private, but I know what you mean. Private sector leads to a similar mess.
Post office officials responsible for the cover up must go to prison
Prison ! That my vote . I wonder if this will just pan out and they get to walk away . Let's watch and see how fair the UK legal system is.
Plus give up their massive bonuses they awarded themselves which wasn’t documented through the proper channels and refused to accept they understood the letters saying they couldn’t just go ahead without agreements
Isn’t it amazing when Mr. Bates is answering that there are no excuses, no waffle, no pushing the problem down the road - clear, concise, seems to have no problem remembering things and knowledgable answers - it’s no wonder the PO hire ups didn’t like him, he could have done their jobs standing on his head.
It’s perfectly clear that they terminated his contract, simply because they couldn’t bully or intimidate him into just coughing up any money which he (rightfully) didn’t need to provide.
Sadly big companies do not like anyone pointing out that they have a problem...their attitude is keep quiet or piss off!
Why is Vennells being employed now by the NHS? What on earth has gone wrong with this country?
she is a direct danger to the public for proffit .and look what she been given as the reward .
The mafia in the 1960's was concerned about the U.S. government always being on their back, and so the mafia decided to become the government.
I proved NHS manager or managers LIED to pension ombudsman & lied to NHS pensions I WON MY CASE. They said they did not know I was injured very badly on duty. Yet emails between managers proved they KNEW & emails proved they covered up my injuries. Post office all over again where by not one person been fired or jailed for misconduct in public office
Vennels left the post in NHS in 2020 (thankfully 😳)
@@lindakiddell9864 The only safe position she should hold is running a library in prison.
The people responsible need long prison sentences.... especially the senior management.
this is the reality we got more chance of us going to jail for going to far with our reactions farmed by you tube to please tory .
I think a lot has to be said for the enquiry team. They have acted and behaved marvellously throughout the whole time of this scandal, This team gives me hope that there are still good guys and gals out there willing to do the decent thing and behave with dignity. Bravo!!
We have seen the innocent go to jail, now let’s see the same for the GUILTY.
Post Office ltd was able to be Judge, Jury and Executioner. Paula Vennells and all of the senior Executives, Post Office, Fujitsu and MP's/Ministers in the know HAVE TO GO TO PRISON for the damage done to innocent peoples lives and the lives that are sadly lost. How does Paula Vennells sleep at night!
This is a perfect example that "POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY"
She will cry here way out of it
Absolutely
Mr Bates you are a hero sir and a statue should be cast in your honour and placed outside the head-quarters of the PO......You have done more for the post office than any politician or CEO. Kick things off with a knighthood for starters!
There's no way he would accept a knighthood from the very government that threw him to the wolves.
Honestly the police should be going into the offices and confiscating any computers or accessing their accounts to provide this evidence. They are blantantly delaying this with malicious intent. I really do not know how these people at the Post Office sleep at night.
My respects to you Mr Bates
Just think, if it wasn’t this good man Alan Bates none of this, no inquiry, nothing would be in place to bring the corrupt people to justice.
Exactly. The only thing necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing. Thank goodness for Mr Bates and his tenacity.
[find it incredible that over many years, these cases were taken to Courts, where so called intelligent Legal bods, Judges and many others did not smell a rat with so many thieves suddenly running Post Offices.
Methinks they are co-opted. 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
Yes it would make you wonder wouldn't it.
Could the 'secret' influence of certain 'free lodges' be at work there? Quite a few 'square & compasses' hallmarks could allegedly be recognised in this interminable saga; particularly in the withheld, protracted, or irrelevant disclosure exercises in particular...
I’ve not watched all of the testimony - just sporadic sampling. I’m impressed by the several ‘inquisitors’ methods and approaches to questioning. Each has a clear, clean, knowledgeable and sharply effective technique, but Mr. Beer is exceptional! I’ve become a true FanGirl of Mr. Beer and his dogged, deliberate and point-specific encircling of the person in the testimony-box who does not want to answer questions. I’ve watched people who think they can hide behind the shield of “I don’t recall” slowly and deliberately experience a tightening of the proverbial noose or, is it possible to employ one of the Bard’s offerings: with their testimony of a flawed memory in Mr. Beer’s capable hands they “hoist by they’re own petard”.
Mr Bates is excellent.
This is a person that should become a member of the House of Lords. Someone of principle, "Justice for Workers".
Would anyone be happy as a patient or staff at a Hospital Trust under Rev. Paula Vennells? This must be a strange selection Board.
Not me...
A Knighthood for that man.
Alan bates is definitely the man of the moment in this scandal. For me he stands head and shoulders above any of the post office managers and quite probably some in Fujitsu as well.
Surely all documents referencing shortcomings in accounts would require the prosecution to disclose and show were, when, and time shortcomings came to light. They must highlight these areas to the defence to enable the defence to disprove the figures?
All Government departments & Agencies misinform and obstruct in England.
Mr Kevin Hollinrake MP obstructs with three compensation schemes & demanding medical records from Post masters.
The PO solicitors should be struck off by the Solicitors Regulatory Authority [SRA].
Government payouts are notoriously slow, taking more than forty years.
There needs to be some significant penalties levied against the post office and its senior management in order to get them to act properly.
What complete and utter bastard's to treat hard working and honest people that were caught up in this fiasco through no fault of their own. Then to be thrown to the wolves in order to cover up the inadequate PO and computer program. This has been going on since the nineties. In the meantime it has totally destroyed people's lives and health, not to mention people who have since past away and will never have any redress and have died in turmoil.
I hope that the remaining people will get considerable recompense for their heartbreak and despair. It remains to be seen whether the inept and dishonest senior management and computer program company get what's coming to them.
There may have been one or two dishonest postmasters in reality, but not 900.
The best compensation would be for those who allowed all this to carry on be jailed.
Vennells must go to jail.
Section 21.3? I feel a little confused after 17minutes, full and utter credit to the enquiry legal team in keeping a firm grip on this mess. No wonder these enquiries cost millions. If the "Thugs in Suites" are eventually found I hope they are made liable for some of the costs of this enquiry
A brilliant witness.
Post office trying to nobble the inquiry by dumping documents late in the day. Despicable tactics from the pol
notice he forgotten nothing .im saying this before i watch it i already know he telling the truth .unlike those high paid pillers of the community with titles honors and tory for friends .some one needs to go for the media and find out who thought it was good idear to hound inacent people in local papers to punish people they new was inacent .ignorence is no exuse of the law they published lies and need to pay.the local papers can sue the courts if they think there been misstreated .then we find out who needed that doing at least .
The Post Office officials seem to have serious memory issues. A favourite phrase “I don’t recall.”
Not just the Tories. There have been 12 Government Ministers in power during this fiasco. Nobody, but nobody investigated why.
Wow what a person with such convictiopn to bring the truth out, they picked on the wrong person to try and shut down. I think he should be knighted for what he has done.
he turned down any pandering by the tory to please him.what is a knighthood mean these day's who wants to be in that club .you be labeled a tory .
@@andydudley1775 All the politicians are useless and corrupt. At the time the Lib Dem Ed Davey was the minister responsible. He belongs in jail.
Thugs and criminals in suits, Sir Ed only believed one side. Plod should be all over this?
This is just a drama for consumption..The police wont do anything... These people have been getting away with so many crimes for so many years they actually believe this is some kind of accountability.. it just for show...
@@rfxtuber So true. I suspect the same tactic will be used to cover up any liability in the Grenfell Tower inquiry. The Guardian reported 4 months ago - Grenfell Tower inquiry’s final report on cause of disaster delayed again. "
"Grenfell Tower inquiry’s final report on cause of disaster delayed again. Findings may not be released until summer as process of writing to those likely to be criticised ‘proving time consuming."
With so many people tragically losing their lives one would have thought that the police would have been the first to investigate? But no as with the Post Office scandal they are waiting on the outcome of a public inquiry. Maybe it's just a coincidence?🙄
@@hholton7245 You can bet Grenfell will be the same.... its all by design... none of these people are ever held accountable... that includes the so called terror incidents in this country.. The media just helps them stay out of trouble with manufacturing so called inquiries and fines... nothing to see here move on...That's the real scandal...
About the only swearing in under oath to be believed!!!
Crooks
This is just awful, how could PO management behave so callously!
just lock them all up and throw away the key,
I don’t know how much time is given to rest breaks, etc but KC Jason Beer appears to be standing every day, all day throughout this whole enquiry.
What a disgusting company the post office is/was. People in charge around this period need putting in jail!
How much did Fujitsu cost the NHS 10 billion so far and goverment still use them
Patently obvious that the staff at POL either had no qualifications to enable answers to questions or did know the truth, but deliberately withheld such from the sub postmasters who were desperately to trying to get answers from them.
I hope the management go to prison.
They won't.
What an eloquent man.
Another one of those horizon losses!!!!. Evidence indeed.
this why it is taking so long when repeating interviews.people want to see court cases with the management in the dock before we are all dead.I'll put money on that not one of them will serve time in my life time.
I would not be surprised if Paula Vennells chooses to be with her Lord, rather than give evidence that will lead to a long prison sentence for herself.
I have worked on big IT projects for over 20 years. I have seen stuff similar to this but never on such a grand co-ordinated scale. The "backdoor" is a fairly standard feature I'm afraid. This may with or without concent of IT management. So the defence could never replicate the fault. Of course they couldn't - they did not have the key to the door. My opinion - a generational breakdown of knowledge. The people in charge had no idea what they were dealing with and were quite comfortable in their ignorance. When the wheels fell off their response to the problem was in line with their ignorance. They thought that would be able to put the genie back in the bottle. They were unaware that the genie was growing exponentially as the bottle was shrinking at the same rate. Their basic lack of integrity and empathy demonstrates the dangers of powerful ignorant people in groups.
It choked me at the end of Alans Statement Wyn kindly asked the Room Whilst Applauding is way of say "Well Done " ,Wyn asked the Room Not too . Wyn felt it not right inspite of the Incredible Job Alan & Co had done .
The gordian knot being unraveled ?
300 years old the Post Office is .. just an amazing job to have
If any participant in this sorry affair deserves an OBE it is Alan Bates
He was offered one and turned it down. What does it mean when vennels was given one when she left PO and after they lost the court case which proved postmaster had been right all along
Someone who had the sheer balls to take on the Post Office management
This is what a honest person sounds like
(Not like those bunch of waster's with there lies,don't remember, it wasn't me, I didn't know how work the ect...answer's
Umm '... flaunt and disregard ...'? 2:20:11 I think they mean 'flout'. But then that's a minor issue compared to what PO was dismissive of.
Surely all rights the Post Office has regarding investigation and prosecution must be removed after the disgraceful actions of all those involved in this scandal, Three hundred years of rights or not, they should not be allowed the right of investigator, Prosecutor and judge. Hopefully those management and investigators involved in the cover up will face prosecution along with jail terms for those convicted.
I think that they’ve already taken the Prosecution away from them. They should never have had it.
Behind.closed.doors
What.really.do.the.royal.mail
Bosses..think..
DOES FUJITSU STILL HAVE THE CONTRACT, STILL.
renewed contracts was given out a week before itv shown the tory and the justice system for what it is for the friends of tory .
YES
@@andypandy955 IN ANY SANE GOVERNMENT THE CONTRACT WOULD HAVE BEEN TERMINATED FORTHWITH.
MY FORMER B-IN-LAW, CHOY HON-TIM, ACCEPTED USD$40-MILLION IN BRIBES FROM SEVERAL INTERNATIONAL ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT SUPPLIERS TO SELL EQUIPMENT TO SINGAPORE. CHOY WAS KEY PERSON MAKING THE DECION. WHEN DISCOVERED, ALL BRIBING COMPANIES LOST ORDERS FOR 5 YEARS (CHOY GOT 14 YEARS IN CHANGI JAIL).
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT?
Yes They still use the Horizon system, I think the coding was written by a guy called "Dick Turpin" ?
Yes and our government has awarded them more contracts.😢
Our post office. I always wonder. What is going on in ur head when you can see proved what utter bastards u have the misfortune to work for. Don’t get me wrong. He is really lovely But. I Wonder if he has any issues. Xx
Owes 2:52
This still will not suffice in bringing to justice all those involved in this absolute sham