these charts are a very good starting point to go off, saying this as a person who started playing a year~ ago and these charts helped me out a lot in figuring out what gear to work towards, as i dont even know what geear exists in the game. obviously as i came to content harder than jad i started to use dps calcs to go fact check setups and find cheaper/better alternatives, but i still occasionally check those charts to see if i missed something. what im trying to say is: these charts are good as an inspiration, not guides
I feel like the downgrade charts aren't exactly awful, but do omit a lot of extra needed context. Although those that do need context do typically include a small footnote about that. Although the fact they recommend a dwarven helm as the lowest gear over a Neitznot is questionable.
nah a lot of them are just vibes based and obviously have not been double checked with a dps calc and actually tested out. Just clicking on a random page, for basilisk knights they mention full inquisitor as bis? You'll get shredded by their melee attacks. It's obvious whoever put this there has never tested it at all.
@@XxSupaBAMxX ugh awkward moment when they do not shred you. Not sure if you maybe were thinking of another creature. Also reminder to bring the required items to kill slayer creatures, and others alike.
@@XxSupaBAMxX Their max hit is a 20. Should be able to do around 8 prayer potions per trip. I think you might be reading the wiki wrong. Even in the guide it says ranged is the strongest. Inquisitor will still be BIS for melee.
I wonder if a blurb about how to gear would be far more effective than a chart like that. For phosani specifically, it could mention that crush accuracy and strength bonus is important, your defense doesn't matter, prayer bonus is nice, and the damage thresholds for 1 shots are important. Then for totems mention that magic damage is important, but accuracy is useless.
Minimum wiki setup is 3 dps at 99 magic with no boosts/prayers. Enrage would average ~47 seconds and it takes ~80 seconds to lose 100% sanity from staying in the shadow realm. It should be doable if you trigger enrage at 100% sanity and don't take any damage during enrage. Thralls, forgotten/ancient brews, and a boost prayer would give even more leeway. That said, I'm still laughing that the minimum recommended setup includes an amulet of power, a skillcape, and a combat bracelet. Which players are getting halfway through DT2 without at least an MA1 cape and rune gloves ?
@@fabiopauli420 That's just for the ghost special. They're actually the second best option for that purpose behind venator bow if you're not using any other spec weapon, since they'll one-shot one full group of ghosts per spec.
I mean, the downgrade charts don't assume you downgrade everything to the minimum at the same time. If you own all max gear but just not a good helmet for example, that dwarven helmet with a crush weapon would still make slight sense. Very slight, but at least some.
I like that for gear, but I think the thing I use the wiki page for most is my iron man. I like knowing what's second BIS, even specifically at PNM (never got a bludgeon). maybe they could make one for irons that takes collection log data to suggest gear?
You are the perfect person te ask this. In the rebalance they said vespula has a new added fire weakness of 50%. Does this mean im using harm at vesp even though the attack cycle is 1 tick longer than harm attack just like sang at akka butterfly? I hope it isnt because i cape switch after demon like everybody else and i wouldnt want to skip out on thralls at shamans and vanguards just so i can use firesurge with lick loss at vespula. My follow up question would be why add all this if it doesnt work? Is it a lower lvl thing im not seeing?
It's close to tbow but still not good, it's 3rd or 4th BIS so don't worry about it. The change is supposed to add flavor but doesn't change metas anywhere except zulrah.
Not sure how others feel, but I’m concerned about how intense of a grind the hellhounds/farming will be. Like, it could be a series killer off episode 1. Skipping hard grinds isn’t in the spirit of a series, but I can see this chunk causing burn out.
I definitely prefer this content over to the tits max gear all the time. I think this shows skill more than shaving seconds off of PBs. Only like 10% understand how ridiculous saving 8 ticks in a god run is. Hopefully im not alone.
I'd actually love if the HLC slowly worked together to help better the wiki gear sets for downgraded gear, i hate when the mid tier gear suggestions are just shit for playing the iron/rebuilds
i havent seen the website you used, but i think the wiki still might be good for ironmen, where money does not matter and you only got the gear that you have
I agree with the uselessness of wiki setups. A midlevel player keeps getting recommended Torva for shit like the giant mole. No shit. What does a general mid level setup look like? It could be reduced to three full sets, rather than a sliding scale. Max-Med-Min
I thought gnomonkey was being intentionally obtuse about the recommended items chart but the end of the video made me not so sure. the dwarven helmet and fang both being the last item isn’t saying you should use them together, you’re supposed to use the leftmost item you have for each category. It’s still not great and has some mistakes, but it in no way is telling you to pair those two items together
and while that website is really cool and i’m gonna start using it, it also has some flaws. Like the difference between a 50M setup and a 100M setup for Phosani’s is it telling you to get Prims, which an algorithm might determine is the best DPS increase, but a person would tell you there are much better upgrade paths you should focus on first. Thats a flaw it shares with the wiki charts, no distinction of how important (or unimportant) each upgrade is.
Wiki is completely volunteer fan work. It has endless information that helps us. Ofc the best PVMers in the word are going to know better strats. Im pretty sure you can submit in changes..
I never took the charts as exact thing. They are rough guidelines, and downgrades are just that - downgrades. Also, some people actually have restricted accounts to where they can’t get tons of items a maxed main obviously can get.
Can we appreciate some neet has gone out his way to type all this information out and put the gear setups in & Gnomonkey is like.. here's a 17 minute video on why all of that is stupid af. hahahah
Bro the Wiki is modded by Redditors lmao. Hilariously enough, it used to be WAYYYY worse. I was straight up banned from editing because I kept trying to add a max efficiency setup for Zulrah several years ago but they kept taking it down because it was deemed too "inaccessible" for the average player. At least nowadays they're aware that having setups for all levels of account progression is good and not just gatekeeping everything to "accessible" setups, even if many of them are not very accurate. If more people start catching on to the GearScape tool, it basically just invalidates the Wiki's gear recommendations lmao. Now even the most obscure account build will be able to know exactly what to bring to every boss without having to rely on the Wiki's hilarious gear downgrade recommendations some of which make zero sense (like Dwarven Helm with Fang lol).
obby legs+eclipse moon at base 80s with piety active fury+combat bracer/helm of Neitiznot Attack Style: Melee - Pound Max Accuracy Roll: 23368 Chance to Hit: 64.62% Max Hit: 35 Attack Speed: Once per 2.4 seconds DPS: 4.71155 veracs top+bottomat base 80s with piety active fury+combat bracer/helm of Neitiznot Attack Style: Melee - Pound Max Accuracy Roll: 23368 Chance to Hit: 64.62% Max Hit: 35 Attack Speed: Once per 2.4 seconds DPS: 4.71155 what dps increase are you referring too, 19 prayer>10 prayer bonus???
The monkey setup got Bass, and the wiki got Runite Ore, meaning the wiki setup had better gp/hr
Big brain
You can one shot the parasite with mace spec. But you need strength bonus and you have none lmaoo😂. Good video idea
these charts are a very good starting point to go off, saying this as a person who started playing a year~ ago and these charts helped me out a lot in figuring out what gear to work towards, as i dont even know what geear exists in the game. obviously as i came to content harder than jad i started to use dps calcs to go fact check setups and find cheaper/better alternatives, but i still occasionally check those charts to see if i missed something. what im trying to say is: these charts are good as an inspiration, not guides
Wiki is def just alternatives for any slots you've been unlucky in-- for Irons, mainly.
This will be a FIRE series. Please continue with them!!
I don’t think you’re exactly meant to use the chart like that lol but this is good content
Please make this a regular series, this is amazing. I want to see you do everything like this
Veracs ring of suffering give prayer bonus which does help for longevity of phosani. But yeah they are closer to useless
Pros has a better bonus
Sir I think you forgot that the infernal cape you used costs at least 200m for most players... Not exactly a "budget" setup :/
this one is funny! gj
lol shits more like 500-900m for the average player
I feel like the downgrade charts aren't exactly awful, but do omit a lot of extra needed context. Although those that do need context do typically include a small footnote about that.
Although the fact they recommend a dwarven helm as the lowest gear over a Neitznot is questionable.
nah a lot of them are just vibes based and obviously have not been double checked with a dps calc and actually tested out. Just clicking on a random page, for basilisk knights they mention full inquisitor as bis? You'll get shredded by their melee attacks. It's obvious whoever put this there has never tested it at all.
@@XxSupaBAMxX uh, full inq is absolutely bis @ bask knights
@@XxSupaBAMxX ugh awkward moment when they do not shred you. Not sure if you maybe were thinking of another creature. Also reminder to bring the required items to kill slayer creatures, and others alike.
@@PyroManya77 they do though, I have tried it. Your trips will be short since they will hit you with melee
@@XxSupaBAMxX Their max hit is a 20. Should be able to do around 8 prayer potions per trip. I think you might be reading the wiki wrong. Even in the guide it says ranged is the strongest. Inquisitor will still be BIS for melee.
Great series idea!
Wonderful series idea, loved it.
the trying to how much you can beat the original time with same budget really makes the concept interesting, cool vid
Phosani in a nutshell: oh its bass.
Bass ain't bad, it means you get to stay for a couple more kills and camp full health :)
Damn, great vid man. Gonna sub after that!
Nightmare\PN is prob my fav boss, but with the worst drop table i've ever seen. Need that update asap. Sick vid dude.
I wonder if a blurb about how to gear would be far more effective than a chart like that. For phosani specifically, it could mention that crush accuracy and strength bonus is important, your defense doesn't matter, prayer bonus is nice, and the damage thresholds for 1 shots are important. Then for totems mention that magic damage is important, but accuracy is useless.
It already does exactly that just below the chart
It mentions that
Yeah he's just completely ignoring the context provided by the article.
Look at that power creep. Veracs dead now smh…
veracs buff incoming dual wield
panic buy now
Its always surprising to me how much people think gear is end all be all, when clearly skill and experience can make up for a lot!
Shoutout to GearScape and its amazing creator!
For those wanting to know: the first boss OST is from "Hollowknight:" track "Mantis lords"
I knew it was from hollowknight, i couldnt figure out what boss lol
wiki recommends dwarven helmet only when using the zammy hasta for crush. That's why it's in a separate column
bro legit making shit up thats wild
Then why are scythe and avernic in the same column? Is there a secret 3-handed tech I don't know about?
no it doesnt work like that =D
@@astrosurfer bro hasn’t even added his avernic to his scythe yet zzz
You remember when your parents told you to think before you speak? It wasn't to be polite, it was to stop you from sounding like an idiot
im in for the long haul of this series i think this is fucking gold
Was the veracs suggested for the prayer bonus?
Yes
this is a great series
This is a great idea for a series of videos. As a shitter, I'm here to see what a goat can do with trash gear
This premise is good. Do this for more messed up wiki monsters
this was epic mr gno mankey
Its insane how quickly your brain thinks of solutions, the undead grasp at 14:30 200IQ
The live stream of this was hilarious
please next do the stratagy guide for Wispherer, i honstly dk if thats even mathimatically possiable it has "WIZARD BOOTS" on it. Bro, WIZARD BOOTS
Minimum wiki setup is 3 dps at 99 magic with no boosts/prayers. Enrage would average ~47 seconds and it takes ~80 seconds to lose 100% sanity from staying in the shadow realm. It should be doable if you trigger enrage at 100% sanity and don't take any damage during enrage. Thralls, forgotten/ancient brews, and a boost prayer would give even more leeway. That said, I'm still laughing that the minimum recommended setup includes an amulet of power, a skillcape, and a combat bracelet. Which players are getting halfway through DT2 without at least an MA1 cape and rune gloves ?
@@astrosurfer im suprised you didnt mention the Rune Thrownaxe spec weapon.
clearly the best spec weapon in the game
@@fabiopauli420 That's just for the ghost special. They're actually the second best option for that purpose behind venator bow if you're not using any other spec weapon, since they'll one-shot one full group of ghosts per spec.
Really fun concept for a video. Personally I prefer crappy gear struggles over efficent max gear. But that's just my taste
Pls do more of these.
Let see how fast we can crash orb and inquisitor prices :)
blood moon is actually really good here
13mins for regular nightmare??? nice!!!
i love this idea XD
the best boss encounter in the game
I mean, the downgrade charts don't assume you downgrade everything to the minimum at the same time. If you own all max gear but just not a good helmet for example, that dwarven helmet with a crush weapon would still make slight sense. Very slight, but at least some.
I like that for gear, but I think the thing I use the wiki page for most is my iron man. I like knowing what's second BIS, even specifically at PNM (never got a bludgeon). maybe they could make one for irons that takes collection log data to suggest gear?
i dont have to use the wiki chart when i want to learn a new boss and when it gets outdated lets goooo
yo this could actually be a pretty fun series idea
the hollow knight music goes hard ❤
11min kill of a crazy boss to receive bass
Gnomonkey completes all bosses, *Me sitting at ge flipping to 1b then wondering what to do next* bosses are scary
L00000000000000L "alright boys, the wiki says you can do it" LOOOOOOOOOOOL 🤣
Hilarious content 😂
The dwarven helmet doing nothing lmfao
the hollow knight music is peak
You are the perfect person te ask this. In the rebalance they said vespula has a new added fire weakness of 50%. Does this mean im using harm at vesp even though the attack cycle is 1 tick longer than harm attack just like sang at akka butterfly? I hope it isnt because i cape switch after demon like everybody else and i wouldnt want to skip out on thralls at shamans and vanguards just so i can use firesurge with lick loss at vespula. My follow up question would be why add all this if it doesnt work? Is it a lower lvl thing im not seeing?
It's close to tbow but still not good, it's 3rd or 4th BIS so don't worry about it. The change is supposed to add flavor but doesn't change metas anywhere except zulrah.
@@GnomonkeyRS thank u very much!
Make this a series
gnomonkey forgot prayer bonus exists
ring of suffering gives prayer bonus :)
Not sure how others feel, but I’m concerned about how intense of a grind the hellhounds/farming will be. Like, it could be a series killer off episode 1.
Skipping hard grinds isn’t in the spirit of a series, but I can see this chunk causing burn out.
ngl this really helps prove fang can carry hard
listen Gnome. my hands are stupid and my brain is old... vice versa
would help if you read the extra notes on the wiki which literally explain the reason for the downgrade suggestions. nt though
bruv this is how i learnt to play the game.
the website mentioned is nice, but doesn't seem to account for lightbearer? Is there any way to quantify it?
Best option is just exclude rings with strength bonus if lightbearer is good at a location, then it won't change the other gear for max hits
I definitely prefer this content over to the tits max gear all the time. I think this shows skill more than shaving seconds off of PBs. Only like 10% understand how ridiculous saving 8 ticks in a god run is. Hopefully im not alone.
You dont bring a rune crossbow for verzik webs?
hollow knight music 🗿🔥🔥
Can an ironman use this and upload their gear to determine what's the best set up according to what items they have in their bank?
My favorite boss T_T
enjoyed that video you doing funny stupid stuff like this 🎉
Is the hit box indicator a specific plug-in or just part of the "Tag" plugin?, i cant seem to find it.
Better NPC highlights has it, can also go through the Tag menu options
@@GnomonkeyRS
Maracas stays on peak performance 😤😤
I'd actually love if the HLC slowly worked together to help better the wiki gear sets for downgraded gear, i hate when the mid tier gear suggestions are just shit for playing the iron/rebuilds
sharted when i saw this in my sub box
i havent seen the website you used, but i think the wiki still might be good for ironmen, where money does not matter and you only got the gear that you have
gnome looks like mark proksch
I agree with the uselessness of wiki setups. A midlevel player keeps getting recommended Torva for shit like the giant mole. No shit. What does a general mid level setup look like? It could be reduced to three full sets, rather than a sliding scale. Max-Med-Min
I thought gnomonkey was being intentionally obtuse about the recommended items chart but the end of the video made me not so sure. the dwarven helmet and fang both being the last item isn’t saying you should use them together, you’re supposed to use the leftmost item you have for each category. It’s still not great and has some mistakes, but it in no way is telling you to pair those two items together
and while that website is really cool and i’m gonna start using it, it also has some flaws. Like the difference between a 50M setup and a 100M setup for Phosani’s is it telling you to get Prims, which an algorithm might determine is the best DPS increase, but a person would tell you there are much better upgrade paths you should focus on first. Thats a flaw it shares with the wiki charts, no distinction of how important (or unimportant) each upgrade is.
Ayo flick the melle pray you bean lord
Thats the best part of the fite
Wiki is completely volunteer fan work. It has endless information that helps us. Ofc the best PVMers in the word are going to know better strats. Im pretty sure you can submit in changes..
Please make this a series lol this is was such a great video
Downgrade charts are super good for irons.
I never took the charts as exact thing. They are rough guidelines, and downgrades are just that - downgrades. Also, some people actually have restricted accounts to where they can’t get tons of items a maxed main obviously can get.
wiki downgrade boss series? 😂😂😂😂 luv it
Thats a weird looking inq mace in ur inventory
lol, why didn’t you just go to perdu or however you spell his name to reclaim the dwarven helm
Bro If I saw you running by going to phosani, insta report lol. Also p5 is like medic on steroids at toa.
Can we appreciate some neet has gone out his way to type all this information out and put the gear setups in & Gnomonkey is like.. here's a 17 minute video on why all of that is stupid af. hahahah
Trident of the swamp 1 way!? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
shoutout to my fav pokemanz makuhita 11:39
GP value gear calc doesnt work for ironmen
Bro the Wiki is modded by Redditors lmao. Hilariously enough, it used to be WAYYYY worse. I was straight up banned from editing because I kept trying to add a max efficiency setup for Zulrah several years ago but they kept taking it down because it was deemed too "inaccessible" for the average player. At least nowadays they're aware that having setups for all levels of account progression is good and not just gatekeeping everything to "accessible" setups, even if many of them are not very accurate.
If more people start catching on to the GearScape tool, it basically just invalidates the Wiki's gear recommendations lmao. Now even the most obscure account build will be able to know exactly what to bring to every boss without having to rely on the Wiki's hilarious gear downgrade recommendations some of which make zero sense (like Dwarven Helm with Fang lol).
more more more
I killed phosani with mole slippers blue skirt chef hat dragon mace and strength Amy. Isn't that bad tbh
whay's wrong with the strategy guide downgrade for toa? you could easily do it with the lowest downgrades available
ngl Phosani is a top tier boss. Shame the drop table is subpar.
gearscape still needs some work. put in 1.3b budget and it chooses full torva with salad blade for verzik.
Btw, now imagine using these setups without a maxed account (which anyone using this gear will not have)...
Lmao the wiki setups are something else
where my p2 verzik tumeken users at
pov jagex not adding enough pvm content
It sure would be cool if people took the time to make the wiki guides better instead of spending that time making a video about how they’re bad.
Omg, is hollow knight ost again. What's going on
Bellybutton fluff 🤣
yeah the awful wiki strategy pages have been annoying for a long time lol
hes wrong about veracs imo its got a good pray bonus
You don't need the prayer bonus. Kill the boss faster = less pray used
obby legs+eclipse moon at base 80s with piety active fury+combat bracer/helm of Neitiznot
Attack Style: Melee - Pound
Max Accuracy Roll: 23368
Chance to Hit: 64.62%
Max Hit: 35
Attack Speed: Once per 2.4 seconds
DPS: 4.71155
veracs top+bottomat base 80s with piety active fury+combat bracer/helm of Neitiznot
Attack Style: Melee - Pound
Max Accuracy Roll: 23368
Chance to Hit: 64.62%
Max Hit: 35
Attack Speed: Once per 2.4 seconds
DPS: 4.71155
what dps increase are you referring too, 19 prayer>10 prayer bonus???