D&D 1979 VS 2024 - This One Word Found in These Two Books Reveals a Hidden Secret About D&D's Future
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- This video contains secrets from the future. How do I know this? Well, I made them up, but I used data, lots of data! And, some speculation of course.
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dmblueprintboo...
1983 my brother and I had just discovered dnd, and our first response was to draw a spaceship, to take our adventure party to star trek worlds.
I used the FASA Star Trek game for that. To be fair I was actually considering how to stat the TNG crew for 5e at the 18:00 mark of the video.
The shaking camera is a big distraction. Everything else is fun, but please either stop smacking the table, get a more sturdy table, or otherwise make the camera stay still.
@@DLSaga I know, sorry. I had my laptop on the table. I won’t make that mistake again. 😁
Hey bud, just wanted to let you know that your mic's diaphram is front facing. You want to be speaking toward the "Blue" logo as much as possible to pick up the best sound quality.
If you can, invest in a cheap boom arm so you can suspend the mic upside down and get that Blue logo as close to you as you can.
Dude, you rock. Thanks for the tip!
Notice he calls them “science fantasy” and “heroic fantasy” and not “fantasy” and “sci-fi”. It was all fantasy in the early days. Now we have distinct genres.
@@WhimsicalArtisan yeah. I like those terms.
Awe geez, That was just Gary's way of telling the Munchkins about girls.
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Thanks for the calm, reasoned approach to your analysis. It makes very good sense.
It happens to solidify my choice to leave D&D behind forever, but that's just the risks that companies take when making large changes like this.
I love when the disembodied spirit of Gary Gygax visits me to talk about world building.
I'll talk about world building with anyone.
@@dnd-and-philosophy Oh yeah? What's your favourite world then, world boy? lol
@@spudsbuchlaw World Boy sounds like a superhero name. I'll take it!
I've been playing D&D since the early 1980s, having played all editions except for OD&D. I liked all of the editions, even 4E, because each of them had their own quirks. As much as WotC hates to admit it but 5E does have many elements from 4E but renamed (instead of at-will powers we have cantrips, instead of Encounter powers we have once per short rest, Daily powers is once per long rest or until the next dawn, etc). I would argue 4E was ahead of its time with its digital tools and shop that is now the norm with VTTs and D&D Beyond.
Great points about the language updates. I was just researching "massive damage" and forgot it was introduced in 2nd Edition. Even ChatGPT thinks it was introduced in 3e, even though the term "massive damage" is clearly shown in the 2nd edition PHB. And, in 1e it was referred to as System Shock.
@@dnd-and-philosophy 5E is the first edition to attach a gold cost to Raise Dead/Resurrection spells whereas past edition either there was an XP cost or you risk System Shock (being raised took a big toll on your body).
My big issue is with their "all in" attitude about it. They could had easily split the game down two routes; one toward the video game side, the other traditional table top. Look at Final Fantasy. It supports Classic Turn Based, Action Combat, Grid Tactics, and a couple others over the decades. Its practically the same problem with Games Workshop and Warhammer, while also being the exact opposite spectrum of stupid. GW is willing to license 40k to almost anyone, and care nothing of quality. They just see it as a cheap gateway into their miniatures market. Meanwhile their miniatures market is dying as they litigate ANY perceived competition (including their 3rd party distributors), trying to yank everything under their direct control. But for years, 3rd party sellers were their life blood. The parallels are almost comical if they weren't so dire. WotC has, just in the last 2 years, dumped their book publisher, tried to force 3rd party content into their platform, while killing any ability to legally exist outside of it, make DnD into a Fortnite Platform (OneDnD) to push cosmetic micro-transactions, released a bog standard action movie 5 years too late for audience interest, somehow made Ranger even worse, and poised to try it all again (except the movie) with the 2024 release being mostly digitally focused, where its easier to pull this stunt.
I totally agree. 4e had some fun elements to it. I played 4e with two groups and we had a lot of fun with the system even after 5e was on the market. It’s always a drag to move away from a system you heavily invested in to something new.
@@crankysmurf No, 3.5e require 5k gp of diamonds for raise dead.
Interestingly, WOTC already did this with Universes Beyond in MTG -- I suspect that's the model the suits will want D&D to follow, since it seems to have been very financially rewarding. Essentially, licensing established IPs (e.g. Marvel) to make D&D supplements and VTT cosmetics.
The big difference with MTG is they bought licenses to make that happen. The actually started this years ago with the GuildMaster's Guide to Ravnica. they also did smaller books for other magic realms. on the Meta side of the equation, they are kind of doing it with a few third-party creators now on Beyond. there are several additions that I would say are a step toward this.
but this is definitely setting them up for G.I. Joe, Transformers, and My little Pony to be added to 5e. lets face it, er all knew that Cobra Commander was a Yuan-Ti and the Beast Wars were between Warforged Druids, And where did you think all the steed spells conjure from...
If you see Gary again, tell him to come see me if he's got time 😁
We don’t need Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro D&D, we have the OSR with excellent content from people like the RPGPundit, Crawford, Gillespie and more
Boot Hill was an awesome game!
So was Gamma World. I had WAY TOO MANY plant characters in that game.
@@TheBubbaclaw haha! Plant characters are awesome!
Newness is not the word you want. The appropriate word is novelty.
Bro. Hasbro IS going to make d and d a video game. It'll have micro transactions and subscription fees.
I believe you and it makes me sad to think about. In fact, if you watch the D&D Direct video that came out a day or 2 ago, they mention their VTT will be able to handle a combat between Drizzt and a robot. And, the robot they show in the VTT is Optimus Prime. This means WotC is trying to "white label" their softweare so it will not only have a B2C aspect (players and DMs paying for the service), it will also have a B2B aspect where they can charge other compaies to use the VTT for their own intellectual property. They're trying to build an ecosystem similar to what Apple has built. Only time will tell where it goes and how well they can do it. Thanks for the comment.
Pathfinder didn't out sell 4e, that's a myth. Pathfinder was extremely successful, but so was 4e. The reason 4e died is because they smothered the market by releasing products too fast. That's one of the reasons 5e had such a comparatively slow release schedule.
Good history. I was first introduced to D&D way back in the 1970s and have been enjoying the game ever since.
That's awesome. What version do you currently play?
@@dnd-and-philosophy I switched over to 5e several years ago while teaching my son the game.
To look where it is today compared to the original three booklets.
@@LawrenceDomkowski what do you think of 5e?
First off, love the art behind you! I actually have that old D&D box with the red dragon art. 💜
Gary had a great point about prioritizing fun and utilizing pattern interrupts in campaigns! I had a D&D 5e campaign set in Ravnica that went on for years, and a very memorable session was my "Christmas Special". It completely pulled us from the campaign events to rescue winter dryads, temporarily got the party into the modern world, and even worked in a time travel scene that tied into some characters' shared backstory. This session was something of a highlight for a campaign that was nearing its premature end.
P.S.: I actually love D&D 4e. 🥰 Definitely understand why it's not for everyone, though. Imho it supported DMs far better than 5e, which I also like.
Oh, man! Time travel is one of my favorite aspects of RPGs but I've never done it in D&D. That may change soon though!
Does hasbro want to make its content actually attractive, or does it just want to trap the player in a situation where they can be milked out?
Hasbro, being a corporation, wants to make money. How they choose to do that can be done in an infinite number of ways. But, it will always be led by people at the top.
please fix the camera setup and our mic set-up. it's hard to watch
I love World of Greyhawk, playing on this world for 40 years on and off, and I was not happy that WotC went away from it. With 4e (the only edition I never played) and 5e, they also changed the atmosphere substantially; dying is much harder, they tried to balance every class at every level, which is boring, they reduced the power of spells imensly, not a fan of that etc. 5.5e is imo not very promissing either. My group and I have tried 5e on Greyhawk for three years, but we went back to 3.5e, which I still think is the best edition for this world. I have given up on new DnD editions, but watch it in case WotC comes around; not likely to happen though.
First edition AD&D will always be my favorite edition, even though it's hard to find people who play that now. I do love 3.5 and think that 3.0 was a huge leap from Second edition. Second edition had some flaws that needed fixing. I agree that making the classes too overly balanced can make them seem way too similar, losing the flavor that came with older editions. Thanks for your comment!
@@dnd-and-philosophy I have to agree. I owned the Basic Set back in 1978. I also played AD&D throughout high school (with some Top Secret, Boot Hill and Gamma World). I also really like the cross-over from S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks as rare anomaly in World of Greyhawk. I played every edition since AD&D (also including OSE/OSR variants, if you include them) and Pathfinder 1E (aka D&D 3.75). I'm currently in a campaign using D&D 3.5E, btw. Great video! I found it insightful.
Wait . . . you liked 3.5 but didn't like Pathfinder? Wasn't Pathfinder just 3.5 because people hated 4e so much?
I never said I didn;t like Pathfinder. 😀 I just never played it. Like many, I called Pathfinder D&D 3.75.
Good theme, TLDR. 30min to say 5min of ideas.
@@simpledisorder 🤣
I appreciate the intellectual examination, but the shaky cam is making me sick. If WotC had any brains at all, they would fork D&D with the current as Classic D&D and in parallel create a whole new D&D system with modern game mechanics. Current D&D with its swingy d20, inflating hit points, nonsensical saving throws, abstract armor, only six abilities, are all outdated game mechanics.
So Wizards of the Coast didn't do anything with their Multiverse from the 2014 books but you think they're going to do so with the 2024 books?
I'm speculating that WotC may expand the Multiverse Beyond D&D (no pun intended) and start to bring back older games like Star Frontiers and Gamma World so they can be played with the D&D ruleset. Assuming they're modularizing the creation of their VTT, non-fantasy game worlds would be easy to create and would allow incredible expansion for time travel adventures.
@@dnd-and-philosophy well they did Gamma World with 4th edition so I guess it's possible
@@undrhil I would love to see a Gamma World using the 5e rules.
WOW havent seen that commercial in over 30 yrs
I certainly have to like and comment as YT algorithm is currently fighting against my best intrest despite being subbed to ya!
Either way, this vid's far better than molding butter and honey over random things from newest handbooks... And y'all know how yt feed is battered with them if ye clicked a single D&D vid :/
Have a great time, mate! Godspeed!
'Bout digital stuff - Hasbro "linked up" Monopoly and UNO and let microtransaction penny flow in... Thus an obvious move is digitalization of DD as a tabletop. The heck!, we should expect Player and AIDM to be playing modules - subscribtion for one dd acces, additional subscribtion for AI and paid module, twice the price 'cuz it's AI-accesibile.
If they can milk the playerbase, they will.
@@lolsonchciwy5022 I agree. Soon you’ll be able to sell your digital vorpal sword on eBay to the highest bidder. Then, the buyer can transfer it to their VTT to use it in a digital dungeon of White Plume mountain run by an AIDM. Blech!
They lost me for life.
I think you need a stabilizer for your camera.
Very interesting info. Thank you!
I love those wall hangings! I grew up reading those at bedtime in the 80's, as I was being taught the game 💜
I also have a Deities & Demigods wall hanging, but the quality isn't as good.
5e talks profuselly about the multiverse since 2014' Players Handbook
Thanks for letting me know. I hadn't noticed that as I haven't ben playing much 5e lately, but that's going to change soon.
Actually, most what 5e did along all its way was only to make reference to the multiverse (aka, previously published scenarios) and making anything new
I think you have a point. Heck, 5e itself takes a lot from d&d basic/expert and 2e.
Multiverses, the D&D kind, are cool -- but lets face it, multiverses are so small compared to cosmverses and infiniverses which only one game has (though I conceptually imagine my D&D multiverse as existing inside the TORG infiniverse with it endless cosmverses full of multiversal cosms).
Great video! I hope they are going to use more and different settings and games. I love the crossovers with MtG or Eberron.
With the 2014 focus on the swordcoast region, I hoped they would expand in other regions of Toril. Like Sea of Fallen Stars and Kara-Tur. I also wish they would recycle more content from older editions and dragon magazine, for I started playing TTRPGS in 2011. And also make guides about the world and regions like the SCAG book.
If they don't do it, I am probably going to buy these from DMsguild or other 3rd party sources.
Eberron is an awesome setting. WotC should have another contest for their next campaign setting! There are so many great game creators and writers out there waiting to be discovered!
@@dnd-and-philosophy If they do I will win. NO ONE CAN BEAT MY PANDERVERSE!... PUT ANOTHER CHICK IN IT1 MAKE IT MORE SUCKY! (any comparison with the Southpark Panderverse is totally wrong and completely in your head)
truthfully though, I think I want to see Cobra La: The lost Yuan-Ti colony and throw in G.I. Joe or Beast Wars: The Origin story of the first War forged Druid Colony.
these could be Splat books with a tie-in campaign module.
A reboot of Eberron? What do you mean? There’s already a 5e version of Eberron. Do you mean a reboot of that?
I mean a big reboot. Like additional sourcebooks and a full run on its awesomeness.
They should fix T2 and Q1 if they are honest.
The future of D&D? Find a trashcan.
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Im leaving this coment here. I register that you now have basicly 350 subscribers. I will come back here a couple of years in the future and you will have thousands ans thousands!!! And i am here from the begining! Hahahha
I hope you're right! Thanks for being here from the start!
Hmn. So Oregon trail ain't the end all be all?
It's at least the "end all" when you get dysentery.
Why no G.I.Joe RPG?
That's a great question? 🤔
I think the gain on your microphone might be set too high, the audio in your video is really scratchy and peaky.
Gl to wotc. They lost me after the ogl issue. A subscription based, micro transaction mostly digital direction is not my style though it may appeal to many. I've been at home with 2e, OSE and C&C/Hyperborea.
An Unbeliever! Stone the Heretic!
can i play kikaider?
I will allow it!
9:30 is false.
Source: "Pathfinder never outsold 4e D&D (icymi)" by AlphaStream
Hasbro does not release actual sales figures for their games. The sales figures are consolidated into just game sales which includes other popular titles like Monopoly and Magic the Gathering. And yes, short term, 4e being a version of D&D most likely outsold Pathfinder, but from a long-tail perspective, Pathfinder has done better than 4e based on the relative sizes and market potential of both companies. Perhaps I may have misspoke but the point I want to make is that if 4e were any good, there wouldn't be any debate or myth about which product sold more copies, or eventually would.
I'm just trying to correct a single factually wrong statement that many people in this hobby believe. I think that is important for all kinds of reasons.
This was not a criticism of your video but a correction of a single mistake.
@@retu3510 I totally appreciate the correction and I will definitelty research this more in the future. Thanks for that. The article you referenced was written by Chris Sims, a person I know and have interacted with in the past. I value what Chris says and I also value input, comments, and opinions from people like you. Thank you for commenting.
False. In 2013 according to ICV2 and market data, Pathfinder was the #1 selling RPG. The market was 15M$, and here's the top 5 sales figures: 1. Pathfinder; 2. Star Wars; 3. Shadowrun; 4. FateCore; 5. Numenera. It is well known that Pathfinder outsold D&D between 2008 and 2013. Do your research.
@Nolinquisitor
My source directly calls out your source as false.
Don't be a dick telling me to do my research, when you won't even look at the source I've given.
I’ll tell you…
Why would WoTC put this racist, inappropriate TSR stuff in their books? How did it get past the diversity panel? O_o
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5e sucks
Thanks for the commnent. I'd love to know what aspects of 5e you think suck compared to older editions. Could you list 2-3 rules or sections you htink could be improved?
@@dnd-and-philosophy
Oh boy
1: No Sim
2: Death saves/Handholding
3: Characters are superheros/gods
4: Adventure design focuses on stupid hogwarts prom shit
5: The owners hate us. They hate you to. They say it all day, every day.
No one should support th is evil company.