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42:28 is one of the most marvellous moments in all classical music, IMO. The release of tension after the long build up of excitement is deeply satisfying. Almost like you-know-what. This lesser-known symphony is in safe hands with Jansons, a conductor who never seems to put a foot wrong and gets the very best from every orchestra he directs. A treat ! Many thanks !
The moment of which you speak is also prefigured in the 3rd movement. Twice. I love this symphony and do not understand why it is so infrequently played. ♫♪♫
That sounds like an interesting observation. Could you tell where exactly these two pre-echoes are ? I've just relistened the 3rd movement and could not spot any similarities. It is indeed a great and sadly underrated symphony. I'd take it over the fourth any time.
Hi--sorry to confuse. I meant the "you-know-what" feeling is prefigured in the 3rd movement--not musically per se, but emotionally. I had a Soviet recording of this with I believe Kondrashin conducting and I wore it out.
I used to have all the symphonies under Svetlanov on Melodyia LP's and loved them lots. Always regretted getting rid of these. I must say the RCO/Haitink box set that replaced them does not disappoint. A bit middle-of-the-road maybe, but sumptuous and honest playing. I also have the complete set with Riccardo Muti on CD. Surprisingly good, though he nearly drives the last movement of this one into the ground. Thankfully pulls back sufficiently for the big moment, thus saving the day.
Sometimes I think that conductors are like master chefs who take the recipes of a composer' s output and craft a most delicious feast for the listener. This is a perfect example.
Jansons once said in conservatoire this symphony was favorite for him among whole Tchaikovsky. I love this music from childhood too. My friend was a student of Jansons, I studied oboe there. That time Maris gave us the compact cassette with just this recording to listen. For couple weeks. That was around 1987.
magnificent performance.......adds rhythmic propulsion to the sometimes ponderous 1st mvt.....and the slow movement is sublime...the scherzo scintillating.....and the glaorous polonaise the quintessence of IMPERIAL RUSSIA!
Pjotr Iljics Csajkovszkij:3.D-dúr ,,Lengyel'' Szimfónia Op.29 1. Introduzione e Allegro: Moderato assai (Tempo di marcia funebre) - Allegro briliante 00:00 2. Alla tedesca: Allegro moderato e semplice 13:41 3.Andante elegiaco 20:25 4.Scherzo: Allegro vivo 30:04 5.Finálé: Allegro con fuoco (Tempo di polacca) 36:02 Oslói Filharmonikus Zenekar Vezényel:Mariss Jansons
what would composers of symphonic music of this period have done had their been no tympani to roll at the end of the last movement--not to mention before. to me, the greatest example of this is the double tympani beats at the end of mahler's 3rd.
one of the greatest composers. period. i think his music is being regarded much more positively than when i was a youth (or as they say in chicago: yout), when it was fashionable to dismiss him out of hand.
i agree that this symphony and the two which precede it are woefully under...utilized. it seems a measure both of the lingering snitty view of p,i,t. as a composer, and oddly enough, perhaps, the genius of the man. that his glorious "concert fantasy" is played even less often. however, WE know better.
Moim zdaniem raczej druga, co ma nazwę "Ukraińska". Przodkowie ojca Czajkowskiego pochodzili z Ukrainy i, sądząc z nazwiska, należeli do polskiej szlachty. Więc nazwy takie nie są przypadkowe.
So, it seems I'm on my own with the opinion that his first three symphonies are a lot less interesting and enjoyable than the fourth or fifth. Actually, when I'm listening through this, I don't feel such a build-up but a rather bad disturbance by the relentless, loud aggressiveness almost everywhere. Quite a turn-off, and I can't find it surprising that the first three haven't really made it into the main repertoire. They are at their perfect place outside of it. I feel it wonderful that P.I. managed to rise so high above the level of these works in the 4-5-6, which are magnificent and glorious almost all through. But of course it doesn't hurt (much) to hear this for context, so thanks for this upload.
Performance was a bit cold, but sounded good. Jansons put too many of his own pp to ff dynamics of his own that were clearly not in Tchaikovsky's score, thus making the crescendos grow tiresome. Pity that a super conductor like Jansons would take so many spineless liberties with Tchaikovsky's music. I believe Bernard Haitink's interpretation is far superior to this one.
The fourth movement is played so lethargically it feels like it's in two and just kind of slogs along. Seriously, why can no one except the great Russian orchestras get this right?
Listening to this symphony is so satisfying
42:28 is one of the most marvellous moments in all classical music, IMO. The release of tension after the long build up of excitement is deeply satisfying. Almost like you-know-what. This lesser-known symphony is in safe hands with Jansons, a conductor who never seems to put a foot wrong and gets the very best from every orchestra he directs.
A treat ! Many thanks !
The moment of which you speak is also prefigured in the 3rd movement. Twice. I love this symphony and do not understand why it is so infrequently played. ♫♪♫
That sounds like an interesting observation. Could you tell where exactly these two pre-echoes are ? I've just relistened the 3rd movement and could not spot any similarities. It is indeed a great and sadly underrated symphony. I'd take it over the fourth any time.
Hi--sorry to confuse. I meant the "you-know-what" feeling is prefigured in the 3rd movement--not musically per se, but emotionally. I had a Soviet recording of this with I believe Kondrashin conducting and I wore it out.
I used to have all the symphonies under Svetlanov on Melodyia LP's and loved them lots. Always regretted getting rid of these. I must say the RCO/Haitink box set that replaced them does not disappoint. A bit middle-of-the-road maybe, but sumptuous and honest playing. I also have the complete set with Riccardo Muti on CD. Surprisingly good, though he nearly drives the last movement of this one into the ground. Thankfully pulls back sufficiently for the big moment, thus saving the day.
23:12 going forward. Then again at 26:29.
Movements:
1. Introduzione e Allegro 0:00-13:39
2. Alla tedesca: Allegro moderato e semplice 13:41-20:24
3. Andante elegiaco 20:25-30:02
4. Scherzo: Allegro vivo 30:03-36:00
5: Finale: Alla polacca 36:01-44:38
Thanks
Sometimes I think that conductors are like master chefs who take the recipes of a composer' s output and craft a most delicious feast for the listener. This is a perfect example.
My favorite work by Tchaikovsky
Jansons once said in conservatoire this symphony was favorite for him among whole Tchaikovsky. I love this music from childhood too. My friend was a student of Jansons, I studied oboe there. That time Maris gave us the compact cassette with just this recording to listen. For couple weeks. That was around 1987.
ヤンソンス、オスロとのチャイコフスキー交響曲は30年ほど前、秋葉原の小さい売場の海外盤で購入しました。安かったので期待してなかったのですが、若々しい瑞々しさが際立ったとても素晴らしい演奏でした。一番と五番も良かった。この頃から、彼の評価が上がってきたと記憶しています。
チャイコフスキーはどの交響曲もいい曲ですよね(僕の意見ですみません)
A fine performance
lead by an
Outstanding
conductor.
magnificent performance.......adds rhythmic propulsion to the sometimes ponderous 1st mvt.....and the slow movement is sublime...the scherzo scintillating.....and the glaorous polonaise the quintessence of IMPERIAL RUSSIA!
+patrick lindley should read glamorous!
What nice usage of some wonderfully descriptive words. Thanks for a well written comment. 👌🏼
Pjotr Iljics Csajkovszkij:3.D-dúr ,,Lengyel'' Szimfónia Op.29
1. Introduzione e Allegro: Moderato assai (Tempo di marcia funebre) - Allegro briliante 00:00
2. Alla tedesca: Allegro moderato e semplice 13:41
3.Andante elegiaco 20:25
4.Scherzo: Allegro vivo 30:04
5.Finálé: Allegro con fuoco (Tempo di polacca) 36:02
Oslói Filharmonikus Zenekar
Vezényel:Mariss Jansons
Thank you.
🙏🏼Thanks so much David for ➕adding the starting⏱times of each 🎼movement!
I really do think the 3rd movement is really underappreciated
And also absolutely fantastic sparkling scerzo (IV mvt), for me the best scerzo of Tchaikovsky, comparable only to similar movement from Manfred.
Absolutely
A revelatory interpretation of a neglected masterpiece.
Marvellous !
Какое чудо, спасибо за запись.
what would composers of symphonic music of this period have done had their been no tympani to roll at the end of the last movement--not to mention before. to me, the greatest example of this is the double tympani beats at the end of mahler's 3rd.
Simplesmente magnífico ♥♥♥♥
Thanks for sharing! I haven't heard this for a very long time.
I love it. I love it.
Un genio musical!!!!!!!!!!
one of the greatest composers. period. i think his music is being regarded much more positively than when i was a youth (or as they say in chicago: yout), when it was fashionable to dismiss him out of hand.
Another Negligent Symphony
Should be performed more
As should his Manfred Symphony
Спасибо!
i agree that this symphony and the two which precede it are woefully under...utilized. it seems a measure both of the lingering snitty view of p,i,t. as a composer, and oddly enough, perhaps, the genius of the man. that his glorious "concert fantasy" is played even less often. however, WE know better.
Diemecke sigue con su costumbre de mutilar obras!!Cuando interpretara TODA la Sinfonia nº 3???
14:32-14:45
The coda that keeps on giving
رائع. كعادته
Мабуть, з усіх симфоній Чайковського ця виконується найрідше. Вона має назву "Польська". Виконання чудове!!!
Moim zdaniem raczej druga, co ma nazwę "Ukraińska".
Przodkowie ojca Czajkowskiego pochodzili z Ukrainy i, sądząc z nazwiska, należeli do polskiej szlachty. Więc nazwy takie nie są przypadkowe.
5:10
14:44
30:04
So, it seems I'm on my own with the opinion that his first three symphonies are a lot less interesting and enjoyable than the fourth or fifth. Actually, when I'm listening through this, I don't feel such a build-up but a rather bad disturbance by the relentless, loud aggressiveness almost everywhere. Quite a turn-off, and I can't find it surprising that the first three haven't really made it into the main repertoire. They are at their perfect place outside of it. I feel it wonderful that P.I. managed to rise so high above the level of these works in the 4-5-6, which are magnificent and glorious almost all through. But of course it doesn't hurt (much) to hear this for context, so thanks for this upload.
37:40
456보다 조용하고 가을정취에 감둥적이어서 좋다
Here is a remake 2022 Sydney - - czcams.com/video/LZp2ZQol9Bc/video.html
Performance was a bit cold, but sounded good. Jansons put too many of his own pp to ff dynamics of his own that were clearly not in Tchaikovsky's score, thus making the crescendos grow tiresome. Pity that a super conductor like Jansons would take so many spineless liberties with Tchaikovsky's music. I believe Bernard Haitink's interpretation is far superior to this one.
Better than Karajan.
The fourth movement is played so lethargically it feels like it's in two and just kind of slogs along. Seriously, why can no one except the great Russian orchestras get this right?
L
Un genio musical!!!!!!!!!!