1952 BPAA All Star - Don Carter - PIN BOYS!!!!!
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- Seven years before the PBA, there was the All-Star, the biggest tournament in bowling. A 100-game iron man marathon, where the temporary lanes were constructed on a platform requiring the bowlers to take two steps up to get to the approach. By the time TV joins this 100th game, the outcome of the tournament is decided. Don Carter has wrapped up the title, based on 100-game pinfall as Junie McMahon, his opponent, fades in the closing games. Legendary bowling broadcaster Fred Wolf on the call, several years before he becomes host of Championship Bowling. Love the live Brunswick spots. PIN BOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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6:14 pin boy smoking a heater. Gotta love it.
I noticed that too, LOL...
Old-school strokers! Love seeing this.
Don Carter was also one of the best pinball players imaginable His favorite machine in the late 70's early 80's was Counterforce,though he could play at will as long as he wanted and would frequently rack up free games and give them away when he got bored,usually after his second ball
Fun seeing those pin boys BEFORE automatic pin-setters came along!!
Don Carter seems to have no pushaway, minimal backswing and looks as if he pushes the ball down the lane....amazing how he racked up those big scores. Great upload. We want more !
Brunswick Mineralite ball, Wow, What-A-Ball!
I had the pleasure of being a pinboy back in 1974 in a little four-lane house in NE South Dakota- those flying pins can SMART! On another item, Andy Varipapa once commented on a number of different bowlers and how they relied on doctored lane conditions (much like the house shots today!!) and so forth. However, when Junie McMahon's name came up, Andy had but three words: "HE could bowl." Also, Dick Weber commented in one of his books that Junie was the only one he knew of that could roll a true curve ball (NOT an exaggerated hook).
I could watch this all day. Don Carter is so fascinating to watch. Priceless footage. Thank you.
I love watching these old clips. It really takes you back in time. Pinboys and hard rubber bowling balls. Nobody had a big hook. You just played the track, generally around the 2nd arrow.
And the shirts weren't littered with those slimy corporate logos plastered all over. WTF are these guys bowlers or billboards? Yeah I love watching these old clips for that
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I am 72 now and I still use my father’s Brunswick Mineralite ball. I had it plugged and redrilled for my piano fingers. Rubber ball works for me!
@@timothyrudzinskithats so cool. and so doggone amazing. i wonder if a mineralite ball is worth any money in this world we live in
@@MrChristopherHaas how about a Manhattan Rubber Ball!! Don't see those around!! 😮
wow... thanks a bunch
I finally got to watch don carter in his hey day thanks bowlingoldies
Awesome! A bit before my time. Pinboys . Love this classic film!
Boy this on a sunday afternoon im def takn a nap in my lazy boy chair. Puts u at ease
We had a bowling alley in Louisville , Kentucky called HAZELWOOD LANES using pinboys from the 1950's to the
1960's ! This was an upstairs location at a shopping center . MEMORIES !
In the days of the grueling 100-game format, Carter won 4 times and finished in the top 5 a total of 9 times. Nobody in those days of highly gifted, competitive stars was even close to those stats. Carter, Dick Weber, and Earl Anthony were the best I've seen.
OMG... I remember a few houses that had the elevated lanes!! I thought that was so cool!!
I never could get used to watching Carter bowl with that bent elbow
That's funny. Were you able to get used to watching Earl Anthony bowl with his bent elbow?
@@ProdigyBowlersTour Compared to Don Carter, Anthony's arm was practically straight on the backswing. I tried using the bent-elbow style a few times & just couldn't get used to it, so judged that nobody else should be using such form! hee-hee
For some reason, in the late 70's ABC rebroadcast a tournament from 1966. Anyway, Don Carter is already in the afternoon of his career, and its amazing how different his style was in 1966. He took much more time before his approach, his approach was much slower, he threw the ball slower but with more revs (straight revs, that is), and was more smooth. To be honest, watching him bowl in 1966, it was hard to believe that he was for 10 years the best bowler in the world.
The revs are still angular but the balls hardly read the lane
Now thats classic bowling!!
I could definitely see how Carter could dominate bowling in the 50's. His style is certainly unusual by today's standards, but his delivery is actually pretty smooth.
Like Billy Hardwick in the early 70s. A repeatable shot he could just wedge into the pocket, over and over.
1:38 - Look at the scores. Carter 588 for a series. McMahon 533. Those were the days when a 200 was a great game!!!
Although scores for tournaments back then were generally higher, look at the changes that occurred over the years. The 70's, plastic balls introduced, 80's urethane balls, 90's reactive resin. Rules changed allowing bowling alleys great leeway in changing the oil pattern on the lanes to improve scoring, etc., etc. Before the 70's, balls were generally hard rubber. I still have a 16# Manhattan Rubber bowling ball from the late 60's. It has far less hook than a reactive resin ball that I also have. There is another video on YT of a tournament finale in 1954. The 3 game series was 720 something to about 680. Even today the 720 would be a very good series score. Yup, you'd be very unlikely to see both bowlers with scores like Carter and McMahon today.
@@JS-fe8sx Anything could happen at the end of a 100-game format as your own example attests. Carter won 4 in this format, McMahon and Varripopa won two. Joe Wilman won only one but finished in the top five maybe 7 or 8 times. This All-Star format--100 matches over 9 days--was the equivalent of a major marathon. Carter was not a sprinter. His scores tended always to hover around his average.
@@MrKlemps My comment was no meant as a criticism of any of the bowlers back then, rather a compliment. The lane conditions and ball back then was not going to get them extra pins by for example having a resin ball give you a head pin fly back and forth picking up pins here and there. They had to accurately hit the pocket and their margin of error was smaller.
@@JS-fe8sxand now its all ruined.
The odds against a 300 game were 50,000 to one.
Without a doubt, absolutely amazing footage. Keep up the great work!
What amazed me most, I think, is how subdued the crowd was. But perhaps that was out of respect for the competitors, especially Carter. Things have certainly changed a lot in 57 years.
Thanks for saving this to digital, it will live for ever. :-) Carter was my favorite, His relaxed deliberate style is what I modeled my game after even though I looked like Dick Weber. I started bowling Candle pins when i was little little, like 4 or 5, by the age of 10, I had better than a hundred average, then bowled 10 Pin after that.
+Art Trombley Good to see another ten pin converter from candle pins. I used to bowl at Lucky Strike lanes in Boston. I started bowling ten pins when I went into the service.
pablo lacruz I got my start at the American Legion lanes in Chicopee Ma..
Wow. that's really cool. Are you still bowling? what's your average today, and are you going to bowl in the 2020 PBA Tour? And is your real name Jason Belmonte???
@@royplayeri have relatives in Lexington a block away from Bunker Hill. my grandpas brother took me to a place near Paul Reveres ride that sported the first bowling lanes ever, duck pin i believe
My grandfather was a pinboy when he was about 12 years old, the "big shots" that would come into the alley where he worked would tip the pinboys nickels and dimes and throw them down the gutter to them if they bowled good. Sort of like how someone tips the dealer at a casino if they are doing good lol. As he got older he would bowl pros after hours in cash games, that's when he did his best bowling lol.
0:38 man, what a crazy approach!!! All crouched down and running. I think I need to get lower because I'm 6 foot tall and either my ball flies down the alley, or I break my knuckles trying to roll it. A little adjustment is necessary.
One of the bowlers named here, Bill Lillard, is still alive and bowling and still pretty hot. He visited England in, I think, 1966 for exhibitions including the one that I went to at the old Regal bowl in Grays, Essex. He hooked the ball a lot.
I also saw an exhibition by Lillard in Albuquerque, about 65+-, I was attending UNM at the time. Time flies!
Back then you could get any color ball you wanted to as long as it was black
@kevindh71 Good Observation about the crowd being subdued out of respect. This was long before the flamboyant, in your face, hot dog era which began in the 1980's. If society as a whole would go back to the
respect of those days, crime would drop faster than Don Carter dropped pins but I am not holding my breath
waiting for this to happen.
This was back when a 200 was quite an achievemant - Don Carter bowled a 588 and had no trouble winning.
Love the Peterson point system - 1 point for a win and 1 point for every 50 pins if I remember correctly.
Rick St. Pierre yep I loved peterson points
Lol. The crowds reaction to the victory at the end. Classic..wth is happening sports moment of the 50s
AMF came out with the first automatic Pinsetter in 1946 , but a lot of bowling proprietors refused to spend the money on the 82-30 and continued with pinboys.
In 1956 Brunswick introduced and started installing the model A Pinsetter. By 1956 bowling alleys were more then ready to install automatic pinsetters depending on who had the better salesman.
The AMF actually gave bowlers better scores because the bowler had the same amount of time before the rake swept away the remaining pins after the second ball was rolled. The Brunswick model A as soon as the clutch engaged swept the pin deck much faster than the AMF machine to advance the game faster allegedly more income. The faster rack on the Brunswick model A used the same amount of time on second ball when automatic scoring was installed on model A machines and the detector was modified to eliminate the 90 degree over travel which was used to speed up a new rack of pins after the second ball.
Notice that pinboys did not use a guard / sweeper for protection while resetting pins . This was a somewhat hazardous
job back then . Bowlers had to be very considerate of the pinboys as a result .
Bowling was such a natural for TV broadcast in those early days. There's not much different they do today.
Imagine that, I translated it. OK, cut it off and send it to me, I'll fry it up, but I'll serve it to my cats if you don't mind...
@@empinball4638 Bowling is one of the oldest televised sports, due to the limitation of cameras back then.
Well if I'm right about why he did that was because he was a baseball pitcher before a full time bowler so he used his arm strenght to his advantage and used that sought of an approach, some chinese call the Pitcher approach.
FRED WOLF: GOAT.
I wasa stunned that there were pin boys. I had thought that automatic pinsetters had pretty much replaced pin boys by 1952.
I was also surprised this was a network (ABC) broadcast. I thought at first that it may have been shown only in the city where this tournament was held.
Probably not cost effective to install automatic pinsetters at a temporary facility. This event was at an arena, the lanes were installed just for the tournament.
Great stuff.
Wow cool! I've bowled at Don Carter Lanes (now Strike Zone) down in Lantana, FL. Amazing the little tid bits of history you pick up at random that connect the dots.
Good observation.
Two-fingered bowling balls IIRC were just starting to decline in popularity in the early '50s; also, Ed Lubanski (who is mentioned) rolled a two-holer. It looks as though the person fingering the ball was possibly used to a two-holer too.
I love this! Noticed that Don Carter must have bowled for the Pfeiffer's Beer team out of Detroit (notice his shirt).
Just curious, is there more footage from this tournament available to watch?
The women’s match with Marion Ladewig is posted, too.
Check out at 6:12--Pin Boy smoking a cigarette! Doubt you'd see that on TV now
Couldn’t help realize most of those dudes fought in WW2
0:58, from one Grand Rapidian to another, RIP Marion Ladewig - the First Lady of Tenpins.
StevenDFenrich I'm a fellow GR native....I have fond memories of watching Ladewig and Warren Reynolds broadcast local bowling on WOTV 8 at noon on Saturdays as a kid in the 80's. Ladewig was something special for sure
RIP MY FRIEND.!!
Brunswick Centennial equipment
RIP Don....
@WSenator1 same story for me....Champion Bowling was cool.....
1:27
Wait a minute. It's THESE two fingers, right?
Sp many trolls ended up out of work when the lanes switched to pin setting machines.
Seeing those kids back there makes me wonder if they ever got hit in the shins by a bowling ball.......probably.
Two women in the audience were wearing sunglasses.
They probably didn't do so to look cool---early TV lights were so intense that they probably needed to wear their sunglasses, especially if they had blue or green eyes.
Great jobs kids had back in the days. Automation ruined the great world.
An OOPS in the live commercial - the guy puts the wrong fingers in the ball!!!
You can bet how it smelled.
What kind of a knuckleheaded comment is that? It smelled like a bowling alley. A bowling alley built in a civic auditorium setting. Are you under the impression that deodorant hadn't yet been invented? (Here's a hint: It had.) Your comment has to rank as perhaps the most stupid one posted to this channel since I started it nearly two decades ago.
The Chicago Coliseum was never meant to be a bowling alley.