Trying to FIX: RARE J.Swedlin Voice Box (DONALD DUCK Pull Cord Toy)
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- čas přidán 23. 11. 2019
- Hi, this 'trying to fix' video shows me attempting to fix a rare vintage voice box from a J.Swedlin Walt Disney Donald Duck Pull Cord toy.
Sorry, there is no quick version on this video.
Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things.
I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series.
Many thanks, Vince. - Jak na to + styl
Me pulling string:
"My name is Molycote"
"IPA is my best friend"
"Lets try to fix things"
its the caps
Love these old voice boxes! Nice work on a really old item!
Thank you Steve :-)
Pulls it for a 13th time: "THERE'S A SNAKE IN MY BOOT!"
"Your my favorite deputy!"
"My spider-sense is tingling, Did somebody call for a web slinger?"
It’s “boots” according to the Mandela Effect
I can’t say crap I never watched the movie and I don’t have one of those Andy toys
Reach for the sky
Elizabeth Marks-Graham that doesn’t make sense. Why would one snake be in more than one boot
The ingenuity of these mechanisms never cease to amaze. Today it would be an ARM5 running embedded windows to blink an LED and play a melody.
It's far more likely to be a flavor of linux or just a microcontroller, but your point stands
Most chips in something like this would run an intel 80c51 clone plus ram and rom to make a preprogrammed microcontroller.
I could have watched a movie in the time it took to watch this, yet I feel far more fulfilled by this.
Watching Vince is better than watching a movie, if i had kids i'd happily sit down and watch Vince's videos with them.
Same here. Almost one and a half hour of pure enjoyment. It's good to be a quirky geek these years.
Sounds more like Donna Duck...
lol:-)
to be fair they did have the same voice actor for a good while lol
True
I think it's pretty clear that because of the sound quality, they just used a normal speaking voice, and a woman's voice, so that it would be clear. A low (male) voice wouldn't capture well with the "sampling rate" of that record. They tried to make up for it by adding the lines "I talk funny - Quack quack quack" just to reference his actual voice.
Also my partner cleverly pointed out -- it would be even more muffled inside of the toy coming out the fabric, a high pitched female voice would help with this. They're just making do with the technology.
I am completely impressed! I would have been backing over the thing with my car about the third time I had to rap that stupid spring and adjust the string!
I appreciate someone that is not afraid to just do it an not get overwhelmed
Wow the things this guy can do is outstanding and it really inspires me with the things that he does he is determined and I think thats a special talent
Acetone can remove glue, for example Loctite, but you need to make a test in a conspicuous area because it will melt PVC and polystyrene. Polypropylene, nylon and PTFE do not melt with acetone.
Nothing like a bit of alcohol to loosen things up
I love these old toy videos. I enjoy seeing something like a modern console fixed, but seeing MMV work on a old toy does my heart good.
New viewer... I admire your willingness to never ever give up. There were many times during this fix where I knew, I would have just thrown the freakin' voice box in the trash. Kudos!
The end part when he's tested it's like a creepy ASMR of Donald Whispering something evil
Wow thx for spoilers :/
@@bradsmith4489 I can't help it you read the comments before watching the video LOL
When I was a kid (Early to mid 70's - I'm almost 53) I had a 'Bag of laughs' I brought from a joke shop. You press a button and heard a clown laughing.
When I took it to bits it was just a mini record player. The same kind of thing as yours but it worked on AA batteries.
I took the small record out and it played on my Grandmas record player at 78 RPM.
The record also had a B side but that was just a sound of a load of birds whistling.
I put this thing back together, with the B side playing... Much nicer than the shitty laughs.
would that be your first ester egg find hehehe...thats awsome
There must've been a bird toy in production at that time by the same company. The bird toy would have the same mini record player in it and so by making one double-sided record instead of two different ones, you can use the same exact record in both toys and save manufacturing costs. Just flip the record to the side you want the toy to play.
Bag O' birbs
The plastic has to be molded on both sides so it’s actually really clever to make 2 products out of the same mold since they’re so expensive to produce.
"I have fun with you", "You're my best friend", "I love you very much", "Give me a kiss".
WOW, that is one heck of a disturbing sequence!
Wow you did an amazing job!!! I can't believe how clear you got the voice compared to how it first sounded. I hope you got payed for your hard work.
The feeling you get when Vince say I'm happy with that and it is exactly 30 minutes left on the fix :) brilliant video love your mechanical fixings!
Then he says the same again 27 minutes later.
Right! It's like Vince never bothers to watch his own videos! Or he'd clearly see from the time that he's still not done.
Joking aside I always love that moment too, knowing there's more fixing goodness to come.
The needle is bent in towards the centre of disc, that's why it keeps missing the beginning of some tracks and playing the beginning of the next. Also, I think they did Donalds voice this way because you wouldn't be able to understand it any other way. Great Job Overall!
I think it is more he didn't align the record to the holes. The start of the track for each hole is in a certain position on the record. He just plonked the disc with holes over the record with no thought to where those tracks actually start.
anyone else get 10-15 minutes into the video before realizing it was a 90 minute epic saga?
I didn’t realize until 20 mins when I saw your comment
Did I really just sit here and watch an hour and a half of a guy repairing a pull string voice box from the 30's because it was in my recommendations? Why yes, yes I did. Never watched anything relating to this but cheers man!
Muffle the speaker with fabric to see if it changes the sound
Remember, this goes inside a stuffed toy
It actually doesn’t! Kids could buy it without a doll
WOW! That's dedication!
It's so odd that they didn't make him sound like Donald, but who knows why, LOL!
I'd LOVE to see the toy it went in.
So much patience and love is needed to repair these. My hat is off to you sir, I think you did quite well under the circumstance. Some where I have a Mister Ed horse Head "Mr Ed, the Talking Horse" from the 1960's TV show. Mattel made a pull-string hand puppet version that requires some attention. I have owned since I was a child. I am 58 now.
Well done vince
I wish I had your patience
I would have given up long before the end also not one swear word.
Fix or fail, your videos always entertain.
Vince at the start of the video: That actually sounded quite professional! Actually sounded like I might know what I'm talking about!
1 hour later: Right, to me it sounds like it's pulling in too quick. So it's pulling in too quick so that means I've got too much...
what does that mean?
Lol
I nominate you for a gold medal for perseverance👌👌👌
It’s always easier to fix something, after you know exactly how it works. And of course, patience goes a long way fixing stuff like this. Good job,Vince.
You certainly are spoiling us for content this week Vince. There has been something new every time I've looked. :)
Thank you Simon :-)
tip for the glue for the pads use non-acidic bookbinders glue it stays rubbery and does not perish it might dry and harden to a crisp in 200 years but who cares! the glue you are using is going to be as hard as glass in 20 years.
with the axel greasing use a lighter and a small spooney thing I use one of those cosmetic tools that in olden days was used to remove earwax from your earhole (yuk!) I scoop out a bit of grease heat it with a lighter and drip it into place it will solidify pretty fast but it will go all the way down the axel
UV curing epoxy is every model builder and toy repairman's best friend. I introduced my brother to it for his Warhammer figurines...and he never went back. It makes it infinitely faster and easier to assemble models and figurines. In addition, you can apply and set in minutes when using it for more complex repairs on damaged plastics. Great stuff.
That was really interesting, since I'd have no real desire to do one myself, but it's nice to see the insides and how it all fits together.
Heh , same
From what I have seen so far around the 1 hour mark your improving the voice and on the right track so to speak.
Hi Vince, you have the Patience of a Saint. I would of turned that into a frisbe long ago lol. Don't worry about long video's I quite enjoy them. I watch Carey Holdsman and his videos are nearly 3hrs long. Keep up the good work. Mick 👍🍻
Vince you r great, never had a good laugh for ages, but when you sped up the vid trying to get the spring back in, that was funny. But congrats on getting back up and running. Good on ya.
Date code says November15th 1930....
" Not sure when this was made"
I noticed that too but he is english so they use different date readouts over there maybe he didn’t understand.
Not likely to be from 1930,
Donald Duck didn't appear in his first cartoon until 1934.
@@MrPhoenixQuill true... however the box could have been made in 1930 and they just put a Donald record in it too...
Give him a break, he couldn't figure out there was a record under the track indexer until he took it apart. Realizing a US-patented toy would use US date code (month-day-year) might be expecting a little too much from him.
That argument doesn't really do him many favors if he doesn't know that US and British date indexes are different. That's pretty common knowledge between the US and Britain
They say patience is a virtue, Vince, you are much more virtuous than I will ever be.
Well that was a great time killer! Didn't expect the tracks to be changing like that
I hate springs with a passion! Excellent video as usual!!!!
Also Vince why not use hot glue when reassembling things like that as it can be easily removed I you need to continue to fix it
Too weak
Or silicone sealant. It can be peeled off
It is very interesting
I think being a much older toy I think the voice is relative to the age of the toy only and nothing to worry about
Great restoration Vince
Great video, you have the patience of a saint, so glad you got it working! 😎
voiceboxes are always such a hit and miss type of repair also if you want to digitize the record as I always do with each repair be sure to play at 100 rpm yup! they are fast! the digitizing if for anyone who would like to make a replica record because most of them are damaged but with digital magic, they can and will sound a lot better also you might find hidden treasures fi a german schildpad doll record had a grooved section in the middle way off where the mechanism could get at it the grooves had a recording consisting of '' Achtung! and an A key Beeb to probably test the record for speed errors.
I'm always enjoying your video my mate. Keep up a good work.
That sounded quite professional lol awesome Vince!!
Haha, thanks Michael :-)
I really thought we were going to see the spring and the case launched across the room with some choice words at one point! Another great fix.
wonder what tomorrow’s video will be 🤔
When having to do with rubber belts and spindles "not making traction" anymore ("slippery"), try rubbing the plastics with fine sand paper. If you have to go in the groove of a plastic spindle, bend the sand paper in half and rub it. Rub gently the belt too. That way, the surfaces will regain some "roughness" back. This way I fixed a ton of cd rom trays that won't open or close, back in the days when "plast discs" were the thing ;)
I just looked at the time is
1 HOUR??!?!?!?!?!?!
Ikr I was surprised as well
Wow! What a lovely sharing dear friend! A giant thumbs up from us. Keep going with our awesome work. Lots of love 💖💖💖
Great video, stay for an hour till get fixes... 😄😊
Im very happy to watch this 🙏🙏
I used to use a hair dryer to warm up the glue to take apart my action figures when I was kid.
You have far more patience than me . This would’ve been launched through a window within the first 10 minutes of repair in my workshop lol
Amazing how you took your time with this sound box 😁 Very well done!! The record can sound better, if you remember i posted a comment a while ago about using wooden glue on the record and letting the glue sit for 12 hours so it can pick any kind of dirt that's invisible on the record 😁 Keep it up 👍👍
Every part of it is very clever !! :)
Also, thumbs up to you for your patience with the spring !! :)
I would usually document everything by taking detailed snapshots all the way, a road map of some sort, or even label all the parts with a piece of masking tape to make a simple block diagram. Learned from my past mistake, I was pretty sure i remember where all the parts came from during disassembly but failed to put it back together accurately.
I think that there is someone that actually fixes those, That is going to give you nightmares.
I remember playing with this toy at my god mothers home it sounds like what I recall.
IPA cuts through most adhesives. Same stuff used to remove adhesive with things like glued in parts inside cell phones.
have you ever thought the aliments of the cavities of the upper disc are alined with the sentences and at the end, dirty string easy just pull it out full length fix it with a clamp and then clean it either with detergent or bleach water ipso facto clean string!
We need a Vince voice box that would be cool :)
All records have a finite amount of times thay can be played and Evey time you play one the needle damages the record a little bit there is no way to stop that the machine will keep getting worce over time because metal beats plastic
Play your records wet, I used to put vinyl on CD for a living and most of the noise is friction so a fortune is to be made by inventing a vinyl lubricant that evaporates before you put it back in the dust sleeve.
Looking at the top half off the voice box case with card the it looks like the millennium falcon
Hello 👋 Vince, greetings, well that's good and hard fix again with the vintage toy 🧸 but damn , that filthy spring and that rubber band belt , so difficult stuff to get in place... That's a lot of patience man, me personally?? Although I'm a very patient person specifically with technology and fix repairs etc , i would smash that thing on the wall or the floor
Sooo that's how Woody's voice box works!
Only voice box I have worked on is the Star Wars troop transporter, very ingenious invention. I have used PVA glue spread over the record, it dries and you can peel it off to remove a lot of dirt and grime. Gets rid of a lot of the crackling.
Vince, maybe you should invest into inexpensive Dremel (kockoff) to have something to cut those plastic. It's hard to tell from the video, I think it is always a different perspective when having something for real on the desk and be able to touch it, but from what it looked like I think I had tried to Dremel it open and later glued it back together.
That actually isn't Matel. It's Gund. I looked up the address in Brooklyn New York that's on the printed sheet. The company is long gone. I was born in Brooklyn in 1971 and as a baby, I had been in that area and remember a loft factory . it's now houses on the site. I looked up on Wikipedia and it says they made toys for Disney between 1957 and 1974 when the company shut down that location. Also the time period is between those years for Gund as the nane gund on the paper you have is a lowercase "G" and printed with bunny ears to look like the "G" is a bunnyhead.
Not sure if it matters but im from the states and that sounds nothing like donald duck. But you did a great job fixing it vince love the videos.
Is a strange version of his voice.
That centrifugal break will wear off naturally and will start to play faster.
Another interesting video Vince I've got a hulk Hogan talking the same speed
You dont give up man. GOOD JOB !!!.
Every once in a while I look to see if anyone out there has a wind-up Donald Duck from the 1970s. I found this video searching. My Donald played a song, but broke and I could never hear it again. I had him in my possession in my twenties, but he accidentally got left behind in basement storage during a move. If I still had him, I could've gotten him fixed to find out. I really don't know, that's why I keep searching, thinking someone else out there had one or still does. My guess would be "It's A Small World."
NOTE!... Disney in most of its existence never made their own toys only others under license did.
but! and it's a big BUT!!! except for early Disneyland park toys most of the license toys use bits and pieces from the cartoons as sample sounds but not the 1955 to 1959 toys range most of these had either Disney employees or immediate Disney family voicing the voiceboxes hearing this female voice and having met Diane Disney I think it is her!!... doing Donald!! eh, why? ah, well,... most bad pull-string mechanisms sound garbled anyway and family is cheap! (Disney only came out of bank negative after the park's creation) and the selection,... clearly one of Walts innovative ideas (jeez I have never seen it before firsthand! but I have heard of it!) yup! the big automatons of the park designed by Disneys staff would use changing discs like this! eh, hundreds of them in one robot for instance president lincoln or, the little robin on mary Poppins hand in the film (connecting steel wires connected to the main mechanism clearly washed out by editing) that gearshifting disc is basically an integral part of a mechanic computer very smart indeed and that they used it on a simple talking toy with just one action is mindblowing!!!
your restoration is exceptional I don't think I would ever have recognized Diane's voice with the originally wibbly-wobbly function,...that is, if it ever worked at all!! the record sounds pretty clean so probably very near after 1955 it died...
Issues that could impact restorations on such mechanical implements is that the string can stretch, making sizing up new string more difficult, old string can get kind of glazed and slick from rubbing against the oily plastic. The plastic, too can become slick wherever moving parts rub one another, when a little bit of friction is needed for maximum performance. I would go over parts like where the belt goes around the record with some rubbing alcohol to take off some of the potential glazing effect to give belt and string a more gripping contact with what they're supposed to control. Even that winding spring can stretch a little bit,belts can get stretched, making sizing more difficult, and become glazed, and lose grip. The record itself can have gotten a good enough scratch at some point when someone was pulling too hard or too fast on the string and may be why the toy was occasionally skipping certain words. Just a guess.
Vaguely remember playing with one of these toys, maybe in 1977/8/9. My current age is getting closer to 50_Y-O by now. The theme of toy, I was gifted, was/is based on Mickey Mouse, and what could be uttered was based on pulling that string
Wow, amazed by how complex some of these eloctro-mechanical devices can be to fix, it's not just swapping a busted fuse!
I remember, these pull cord talking toys from 60 years ago! - I have no idea when the first ones were ever made, but I remember when they were making them, brand new in the early 1960s, and have a here a talking pink cat - or would, if the voice box was working! There were, in later years, battery operated versions of the same thing, but with a motor instead of a pull cord. They were pretty rare as I recall, and given that battery technology in those days was poor by today's standards and some would leak badly even before the batteries were fully depleted, not many will have survived.The pull cord variety will have survived in far greater numbers, though many were put through a cycle in the washing machine and never spoke again - I think that's what might have happened to mine - poor thing! At least they could still live on as basic "dumb" soft toys.
I have a Simon talking pull cord toy that I found at my Grandma's house , and after so many years it still works good as new!
It wouldn't have been a "My Mate Vince" fixes a clockwork toy without the spring popping out at least once. Those mechanisms look dreadful to work on, although you worked out the easy way to get the spring back in, its a royal pain to get everything realigned and tensioned properly for it to work as it was meant to from the factory.
Well done, great job.
When in doubt about the diameter of a round belt or gasket, you can flatten it out and measure the length. Then multiply by 2 for the circumference.
From there you can just use pi to get your diameter and radius.
Hair dryer to heat glue. Then use finger nail polish remover on a q-tip like you were doing. I restore old typewriters alot of the cases are held together with tamper proof glue. That's the best way to remove old glue that I've found.
I've found that the best way to reassemble something correctly is to take lots of photos during the disassembly process
The record would be underneath that plastic disc with holes in it it so every time you pull the cord it covers over the plastic disc the needle with land in one of the holes and then the record would play on the Neath that's how the voice boxes work
each hole where the metal thing can be pin is a different track to play. it skips when you use the cord?
I think all these voice boxes from 70s toys like the Palitoy action man Commander and the Kenner troop transporter, talking Dalek, bat mobile etc etc were made by a Japanese company called Ozen. Probably has a maker’s mark somewhere stamped on it.
Woaw... that's how woody's voice box works? :0
I think you nailed it Vince.. APU I dropped a Like..
Super Vince, great job
Great video Vince! :)
Hi ,nice vids, at 18:27 the spring under the disc is what makes it spin, it locks to the spring loaded gear if not place right it can cause unbalanced preasure ,if you do another try pulling the string a little to make it lock and spin the disc first before placing the rest of the things
health and safety would be having a baby, but extremely funny and tension filled Great fun
Haha, thank you :-)
To get the correct Donald voice you need to put the spring as tight as it will go with the string going around one more time. Like it originally was.
brought back memories of me ripping apart my disney noise maker toy clock thing and my aladin book that was based off the same mechanism aro and all and getting my finger sliced on the damn spring! Also it explosively it uncoiling violently spiraling out of the thing and almost hitting me right in the face. I bet you these toys wouldnt pass qc regulations today lol.
Where would you start if you were asked to design something like this ? very clever work.
You are my new favorite channel
superb, worth the watch, touch and go at times though :)
Sounds like certain ones aren't starting in the right place rather than being cut off. Does the position of the record adjust at all? Like others have said. A knot on the inside where you want the string pull to stop, loop and knot positioned so it only travels back as far as you want it to. Just reposition those knots to adjust the tension. It would have saved you from having to wrestle with the spring.
Ohhh that's clever, so you can only pull the string out so far until the knot stops it - meaning less tension on the spring - and a slower record speed. I like it. Nice one :-)
Hey Vince wen Will you do the RGB for the game gear 😅 would be a good one to make ❤️
I could be wrong, but I think you should remove the sellotape on back of the vocal box. I think it needs some friction so the needle doesn't skid between tracks. Also, sellotape softens the pounding against the vocal box which makes the voice blurry.
it's 1 am and i watched a guy fix an old talkbox for an hour.... wtf am i doing with my life? lmao