Dont know if you guys gives a shit but if you are stoned like me during the covid times you can watch pretty much all the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. I've been streaming with my girlfriend recently xD
There are some really big egos here criticizing one of the best luthiers in the world. He's Dan Erlewine...have some respect and at least google him before posting "he's doing that wrong". The man can create a guitar from scratch and the majority here can't even intonate properly.
Orel, I seriously love your videos here! If I could, I’d have you fix the binding that’s peeling away from the neck on my uncle’s 1964 Gretsch. I might trust myself to do it after watching your videos. You’re obviously a very patient man, for being able to intonate Floyd Rose tremolos and all! THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR SKILLS!
Ibanez is so underrated for their quality of manufacture, it's actually kinda ridiculous... Even a lot of their middle of the road axes, just really shine!
@@BulletFever1 I know man; they outshine a lot of waaaay more expensive guitars; it would be laughable; if not so sad....Due to the fact that they're building crap Les Paul's now; at more than twice the price of a really nice Ibanez....!
You should never adjust action or string hight if there is any tension on the tremolo knife edges, like he is doing !Always losen the springs on the back. Then you can lover or raise tremolo hight adjustment studs. If there is any tension on the knife edges you will damage studs and knife edges.
@@tradbowseven That is true. But it would took years and allot of abuse to damage knife edges. Strings and springs tension is diffrent they put big pressure on knife edges. I have 30 years old lo-pro edge and i put some lubrikit from D'Addario and tremolo is still top notch.
Isn't this guy Dan Erlwine? I thought I recognized him. He's a well-respected guitar tech and has worked on many great players' guitars. He's got years of experience coming up with tips and tricks for everything you can think of. I think he just might know what he is doing when he raises the bridge under tension. From what I've heard, that is only an issue with shitty hardware floyd copies or low-end floyds.
There's an error, you shouldn't raise the action of the bridge with the bridge set in the posts, that scrapes de knife of the bridge and kill the tunning stabbility
Ive heard that too, but then again I think this is Dan Erlwine isn't it? The guy knows his stuff. I've heard you only have to worry about that issue on cheap floyds
Yorel, If I may. This video stopped and went to another just as you were going in to show how to do your easier intonation method. I could not find a second video from you on that subject. Where may I receive that further information please.
Adjusting string height with tension will damage the stud and will cause tuning issues...may not stay in tune.....intonation for floyd rose can be done with a special tool or manually adjusting several times....not explained in this video
@@KentQuickstad That makes the studs turn easier for sure. To be honest, I've heard techs who have worked on floyds for 30 years say it matters, and others who say it doesn't matter. Those who say it doesn't usually say that the quality floyds use materials that won't score/damage the studs. There's still tension even if you depress the bar, it's just coming from the springs instead. It might be less overall, and it definitely would do less damage than keeping it flat (if there is an actual risk to damage). I'd say, if you have an original floyd rose you probably didn't damage it. The cheaper ones are more of a risk.
Why don’t you balance the Floyd Rose like a vintage tremolo? Its in the standard instructions for a Floyd Rose to have it level to the body ,but when you go to bend a string it goes flat.
@@riffsthatkill2180 fair enough but bad advice for people with crappy hardware. He could of at least mentioned it, would of took what 2 seconds. I'd still be be loosening off the tension with expensive hardware as I wouldn't want to risk totalling my expensive hardware. Unless someone can prove its absolutely fine on higher end bridges
@@christiankelly1981 As long as you don't raise and lower your bridge all day long you should be fine doing it under string tension. The blade is pretty sturdy and it has to be be design to withstand all the whammy bar torture it's gonna see in it's lifetime. I think it's a bit of a myth that you have to take off the string tension each and every time. It sure doesn't hurt to do so though if you are afraid :)
@@christiankelly1981 I was wondering the same. Can you press on the whammy to achieve the same thing if the strings are under tension? And how loose should the strings be while raising those 2 screws?
I never like the look of the propane torch "burned wood". I think that the narrow flame makes it difficult to get a uniform burn across the entire piece. If a broad flame was used, you would have better results. Instead, I like using a dark Spanish Stain, followed by sanding to emphasize the contrast between the Winter and Summer growths. That technique produces a MUCH more uniform effect and even looks a bit like zebra wood.
@@anpleidhceeireannach9498 It can be a problem if the knife edges get damaged. Never never raise or lower a Floyd Rose bridge without slackening the strings off first.
@@anpleidhceeireannach9498 I was speaking from my own experiences with Floyd Roses over the last thirty odd years. If Ibanez change the string height without slackening the strings then that is their choice. Having seen some knife edges damaged by not slackening the strings off, for my own piece of mind and wallet, strings get slackened off on my guitar. Guitar techs probably have access to spares that I don't. Thanks for replying.
@@tulyar1043 slackening them doesn't stop the knife edges from contacting the pivot posts while the stud is turned It's still in full contact with the knife edge under tension (because the springs are pulling the bridge) It merely changes the angle of the bridge The knife edges are in full contact with the pivot posts (studs) whether you decrease string tension or not All you're doing is changing the angle
Floyd roses are for the musicians that like to Tinker around with there gear. they're really not that hard to work on. it's just following a series of steps.
I say it's like owning an Italian sports car, requires more maintenance and care to keep running right, but they allow you to have more fun than a Strat style trem or a hardtail.
2:04 Never raise/lower action on a floyd you care about under string tension. You will just prematurely grind down the edges on the baseplate. Pull the springs, change the action, and pop the springs back on. It can be done by hand.
That's BS The Ibanez factory does it That's a stupid myth that's been floating around for years, the studs are designed to be adjusted under string tension
You are supposed to have tension on the springs but not the strings. In other words tune it up and use the tremolo bar to divebomb. Adjust the posts while in divebomb position. Adjusting height with no tension on either strings or springs is awful and would make a Floyd Rose useless to have.
Yes, but minutely enough where it doesn't need to be reset with fine tuning adjustments. There are stabilizing mechanisms Ibanez made back in the day that kept the tremolo from moving at all even after a string broke. I believe its called a tremsetter
What are these funny numbers used before “3mm”? I know, I am being facile, but having to repeat tools for exact fits for one Country is annoying and costs a lot. I wish they would go metric. Like the entire world (save for Liberia).
He doesnt even explain where to set the saddles 5:20. He just says "ill set the rest of them to a certain look that i know in my mind". How does that help?
Wait, what? The guy put a Floyd rose on a JEM? What in the hell for? OK, that's not a Floyd. It's a Lo TRS. And the other one is a Lo Pro Edge. Great video with one caveat -- you shouldn't have to worry about the radius, all Ibanez bridges are pre-radiused. Very rarely will you need a shim, but if you do need one they are available.
The floyd rose really makes Leo Fender seem like a genius lol
Dont know if you guys gives a shit but if you are stoned like me during the covid times you can watch pretty much all the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. I've been streaming with my girlfriend recently xD
@Casey Aydin Yea, been watching on InstaFlixxer for years myself :)
the battle of the strings and Springs sounds epic
There are some really big egos here criticizing one of the best luthiers in the world. He's Dan Erlewine...have some respect and at least google him before posting "he's doing that wrong". The man can create a guitar from scratch and the majority here can't even intonate properly.
"One of the best." You've got two too many words in that. "The best." Who else could keep Trigger playing?
THIS IS WHAT A GREAT TEACHER SOUNDS LIKE 👍🏼
Orel, I seriously love your videos here! If I could, I’d have you fix the binding that’s peeling away from the neck on my uncle’s 1964 Gretsch. I might trust myself to do it after watching your videos. You’re obviously a very patient man, for being able to intonate Floyd Rose tremolos and all! THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR SKILLS!
Do you remember Jimmy James and the Blue Flames?
Now that's goin back....
7:42 ABSOLUTELY GENIUS
Ibanez is so underrated for their quality of manufacture, it's actually kinda ridiculous...
Even a lot of their middle of the road axes, just really shine!
I have a GRGR121EX, cost no more than £200 about 8 years ago (guess), there's not a single thing wrong with it.
@@BulletFever1 I know man; they outshine a lot of waaaay more expensive guitars; it would be laughable; if not so sad....Due to the fact that they're building crap Les Paul's now; at more than twice the price of a really nice Ibanez....!
You should never adjust action or string hight if there is any tension on the tremolo knife edges, like he is doing !Always losen the springs on the back. Then you can lover or raise tremolo hight adjustment studs. If there is any tension on the knife edges you will damage studs and knife edges.
As if using the whammy won’t put stress on the knife edge?
@@tradbowseven That is true. But it would took years and allot of abuse to damage knife edges. Strings and springs tension is diffrent they put big pressure on knife edges. I have 30 years old lo-pro edge and i put some lubrikit from D'Addario and tremolo is still top notch.
Isn't this guy Dan Erlwine? I thought I recognized him. He's a well-respected guitar tech and has worked on many great players' guitars. He's got years of experience coming up with tips and tricks for everything you can think of. I think he just might know what he is doing when he raises the bridge under tension. From what I've heard, that is only an issue with shitty hardware floyd copies or low-end floyds.
Good ol' grandpa Dan Erlewine
Awesome Setup guidelines. He knows his stuff
There's an error, you shouldn't raise the action of the bridge with the bridge set in the posts, that scrapes de knife of the bridge and kill the tunning stabbility
Ive heard that too, but then again I think this is Dan Erlwine isn't it? The guy knows his stuff. I've heard you only have to worry about that issue on cheap floyds
This guy needs to make more videos
17airel he has a ton on the Stew-Mac channel
@@AverageJoeHotRodShow Thank you for sharing i aint watching this video then. content stealing is lame af.
What kind of bridge was the second one, never seen any Floyd Rose like that? Hmmm. 🤘🏻🎸
Love all the videos.
Yorel, If I may. This video stopped and went to another just as you were going in to show how to do your easier intonation method.
I could not find a second video from you on that subject. Where may I receive that further information please.
I will try to find it and post it for you....
do you think this guy (yorel) is the guy in the video
No that's not me but I have found the video and the other intonation one must be on another video set and I don't have that one
Adjusting string height with tension will damage the stud and will cause tuning issues...may not stay in tune.....intonation for floyd rose can be done with a special tool or manually adjusting several times....not explained in this video
Can't you just gently press on the trem arm to take off some string tension, and then lower or raise the string height?
@@KentQuickstad That makes the studs turn easier for sure. To be honest, I've heard techs who have worked on floyds for 30 years say it matters, and others who say it doesn't matter. Those who say it doesn't usually say that the quality floyds use materials that won't score/damage the studs.
There's still tension even if you depress the bar, it's just coming from the springs instead. It might be less overall, and it definitely would do less damage than keeping it flat (if there is an actual risk to damage).
I'd say, if you have an original floyd rose you probably didn't damage it. The cheaper ones are more of a risk.
Why don’t you balance the Floyd Rose like a vintage tremolo? Its in the standard instructions for a Floyd Rose to have it level to the body ,but when you go to bend a string it goes flat.
"I'm raising the bridge" whilst at the same time wrecking the knife edges
I think that's only an issue with really crappy hardware
@@riffsthatkill2180 fair enough but bad advice for people with crappy hardware. He could of at least mentioned it, would of took what 2 seconds. I'd still be be loosening off the tension with expensive hardware as I wouldn't want to risk totalling my expensive hardware. Unless someone can prove its absolutely fine on higher end bridges
@@christiankelly1981 As long as you don't raise and lower your bridge all day long you should be fine doing it under string tension. The blade is pretty sturdy and it has to be be design to withstand all the whammy bar torture it's gonna see in it's lifetime. I think it's a bit of a myth that you have to take off the string tension each and every time. It sure doesn't hurt to do so though if you are afraid :)
@@christiankelly1981 I was wondering the same. Can you press on the whammy to achieve the same thing if the strings are under tension? And how loose should the strings be while raising those 2 screws?
I never like the look of the propane torch "burned wood". I think that the narrow flame makes it difficult to get a uniform burn across the entire piece. If a broad flame was used, you would have better results. Instead, I like using a dark Spanish Stain, followed by sanding to emphasize the contrast between the Winter and Summer growths. That technique produces a MUCH more uniform effect and even looks a bit like zebra wood.
Why in every video i watch they are adjusting the string height with it under tension still??
The Ibanez factory does this too, it's not a problem
@@anpleidhceeireannach9498 It can be a problem if the knife edges get damaged. Never never raise or lower a Floyd Rose bridge without slackening the strings off first.
@@tulyar1043 nope
Not true,most guitar techs disagree with you
Ibanez doesn't slacken the strings when setting the action at the factory
@@anpleidhceeireannach9498 I was speaking from my own experiences with Floyd Roses over the last thirty odd years. If Ibanez change the string height without slackening the strings then that is their choice. Having seen some knife edges damaged by not slackening the strings off, for my own piece of mind and wallet, strings get slackened off on my guitar. Guitar techs probably have access to spares that I don't. Thanks for replying.
@@tulyar1043 slackening them doesn't stop the knife edges from contacting the pivot posts while the stud is turned
It's still in full contact with the knife edge under tension (because the springs are pulling the bridge)
It merely changes the angle of the bridge
The knife edges are in full contact with the pivot posts (studs) whether you decrease string tension or not
All you're doing is changing the angle
This is an old video, looks like early 2000's based on the background.
Early 2000 because Vai dated the signature at 2001.
Floyd roses are for the musicians that like to Tinker around with there gear. they're really not that hard to work on. it's just following a series of steps.
I say it's like owning an Italian sports car, requires more maintenance and care to keep running right, but they allow you to have more fun than a Strat style trem or a hardtail.
2:04 Never raise/lower action on a floyd you care about under string tension. You will just prematurely grind down the edges on the baseplate. Pull the springs, change the action, and pop the springs back on. It can be done by hand.
That's BS
The Ibanez factory does it
That's a stupid myth that's been floating around for years, the studs are designed to be adjusted under string tension
Bull. Been doing it for years on all my guitars. Sorry.
Horrible advice, disregard that comment
Don't adjust bridge height under tension. It's not worth it.
You are supposed to have tension on the springs but not the strings. In other words tune it up and use the tremolo bar to divebomb. Adjust the posts while in divebomb position. Adjusting height with no tension on either strings or springs is awful and would make a Floyd Rose useless to have.
@@AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV Measure your action. Measure the post. Do basic math, and relieve the tension.
are you really trying to correct Dan Erlewine on how to do a setup?
If the trem is fully floating, after locking down the nut, can the fine tuners still move the bridge??
Yes, but minutely enough where it doesn't need to be reset with fine tuning adjustments. There are stabilizing mechanisms Ibanez made back in the day that kept the tremolo from moving at all even after a string broke. I believe its called a tremsetter
is the strewmac floyd rose original legit, it’s cheaper?
ya really gotta appreciate the safety glasses.
Where is part II with the intonation? Can't find the vid.
I have to find the the rest of the video
What are these funny numbers used before “3mm”? I know, I am being facile, but having to repeat tools for exact fits for one Country is annoying and costs a lot. I wish they would go metric. Like the entire world (save for Liberia).
Was the string hight from top of the fret or the board
It's from the top of the frett
What video is this from originally?
matthewjaymz the video its from Stew Mac, they have a web site and the video is for sell there i believe
-NEVER, -EVER: adjust the string height on the bridge with string tension! (Regardless -of what is shown/done in this video.)
I made that mistake on my first Floyd-equipped guitar 35 years ago.
especially if you're raising it- UP./ wears down the pivot posts (creating tuning stability problems later)
Does he not know ?
He doesnt even explain where to set the saddles 5:20. He just says "ill set the rest of them to a certain look that i know in my mind". How does that help?
literally 5 seconds after there is a photo of a guitars bridge that is intonated. use your eyes.
Sir, can I do this set up on my ibanez jem jr?
I dont see why you cant
This video is stolen from the stew-mac channel
Did he fart😐
He's waaay overcomplicating it,,
Well he's doin' it right so i can't complain
Wait, what? The guy put a Floyd rose on a JEM? What in the hell for? OK, that's not a Floyd. It's a Lo TRS. And the other one is a Lo Pro Edge.
Great video with one caveat -- you shouldn't have to worry about the radius, all Ibanez bridges are pre-radiused. Very rarely will you need a shim, but if you do need one they are available.
Floyd’s look so complicated
A 10 yr old can figure it out
Lol Dan says 5/64ths on low e (granted its an electric with a floyd) I've heard others say 7!
5/64ths
not your content.
eh who cares, Stewmac can afford it. Everything they do is to sell their overpriced products.