If I remember correctly, Veldora has the strongest energy or most magicules or something like that. But he is weaker than his sisters because his Storm element is weak against the scorch and ice elements, not to mention that his control over his magic, skills and/or abilities was inferior to them because he used to only rely on brute strength (before meeting Rimuru and reading manga).
It’s because he never tried before, he got better at fighting taking inspiration from manga not better control, that came after he got his ultimate skill and tried to control it however he still has the worst control of all the dragons
Well, it's said he has the largest magicule reserve but it causes a disaster if he reaches his peak and it all dumps out. They avoided this catastrophe once by Luminous attacking him and painfully drained his magicules in a bear hug and later by using the magicules to turn iron into magisteel and create monsters in the labryrinth (this also evolved the guardians they stationed as boss monsters over time). Note that Rimuru dumps his excess magicules in his stomach space but could not use the magicules in that stomach space till he evolved further later so not only did he have magicule capacity exceeding Veldanova's after destroying the Empire but had access to all the magicules he had been storing in his alternate space when hiding his aura and power from others which he had been doing ever since meeting the goblins. I guess this will be important when battling the angels and perhaps in resurrecting or finding the reincarnation of Veldanava. Raphael or rather Ciel also worked out how to convert souls into magicules that Rimuru could use so after the various wars, Rimuru also has access to a lot of souls plus all the ones they con out of Guy when Guy asks Rimuru to evolve his primordial demoness maids though Rimuru used all of the souls conned from Guy to evolve his own three demonesses. As evolving the demons seems to form a loyalty and a soul channel between the demons and Rimunu, I wonder if Guy's maids might shift their allegiances over time, as it is, four of the seven primordial serve Rimunu, two serve Guy and Guy himself is a primordial. I can see all seven eventually being subservient to Rimunu some day much to Rimunu's consternation as well as a Rimunuism religion developing with Luminous teaching him how to distribute and collect power through the faith of his followers, Adele and Alberto being taught to re-establish their holy powers by worshipping Rimunu and the imperial soldiers he resurrected calling him their goddess (this reminds me of playing nethack when I was an University student, as the first undergrad to make the top ten list, I unfortunately did so as a demigoddess as in the last level I stepped into a pool of lava using up the amulet of resurrection I had on and when putting on a replacement, I accidentally put on an amulet of change I had been saving to polymorph into more amulets of resurrection, then finished the game before polymorphing or finding another amulet of change).
@@johnwang9914 the only thing I’m sure is that Guy will NEVER serve Rimuru. His pride and ego would never allow it. Rain possibly but I doubt Mizary will.
I just love how Ciel is soo Obedient to Rimuru, on the other hand Micheal tried to use His masters body (Rudra) for the reincarnation of Star dragon Veldanava..."after ciel heard it she said: how foolish if i were him i would have tried to reincarnate my Master (Rimuru) into a temporary body then Fully Replenish him.".. I was soo Moved that moment...
I am starting to believe that Valda-Nava was reincarnated as a slime with the memories of an other worker. Rimiru Tempest and Veldora Tempest are truly brothers in this version of things. Rimiru's slime form is the definition of turning nothing into anything he wants. I love how detailed this series is with the powers and abilities because it is the only way to get away with raising a character to Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Omnipresence. Thank you for covering this series with highly detailed videos!
I mean it's the case for Shiro of Kumo Desu ga Nani Ka Spoilers (if u didn't read LN) D is Wakaba and the teacher saved a little spider from getting crushed by the students and when the class exploded everyone died including the little spider who was hanging on her web in a corner of the ceiling, D was the only "survivor" and and when she reincarnated all the students and the teacher she also reincarnated the little spider but inprinted her memories as Wakaba insude her making her believe she was Wakaba So yeah they're the same person but 2 completely different beings with different cores
@@anathar1942 what the fuck my mind, Spoiler for: So im a spider so what LN so kumoko is a literal spider from our world given sentience and reincarnated???
@@anathar1942 but that doesn't explain why there are only 8 parallel minds in Shiro/white. The only way it makes sense is, if not the spider in the classroom was reincarnated, but wakaba/admin D only reincarnated one of her parallel minds into a spider monster. Because admin D is the 9th parallel mind tgat was missing in tge whole series, she was the very first parallel mind and kumoko is just another parallel mind of Wakaba
Technically speaking, Rimuru has become somewhat of a True Dragon... Given how he utterly swallowed both Veldora and Velgrynd within him, absorbing their very essence and powers. A "New Brother" according to Velgrynd, but one she could never accept.
She has the right not to accept him, absorbing their very essence and powers just to become a true dragon is a twist move, the author making a weak character like rimuru to be more powerful so fast is a lazy writing.
@@sarama7579 Is rimuru strong on his own? No, if ciel wasn't helping him every time, he will be liability. Rimuru depend on ciel so much and he even said if wasn't for her helping him avoiding milim's attacks he will be dead/not to mention says one punch from her will kill him if veldora didn't appear before him. Besides, the only reason why rimuru is strong (besides his depended on ciel) is because he just absorb or eat the abilities of his opponents. Don't forget rimuru couldn't beat hinata and he created a clone of him to deceive her.
@@Wargray621 yes rimuru is strong on his own in the anime hes a disaster class threat and in the light novel hes a catastrophe class even stronger than guy crimson and milim as of volume 19 💀. And bro milim is literally one of the strongest beings in the tensura universe milim and guy are said to be extraordinary compared to the other demon lords guy even told leon that he might have a 1 in a million chance of beating him if he's lucky and leon is really strong and pretty experienced demon lord in his own right we can cut rimuru some slack considering he just became a demon lord 💀 and bro rimuru can literally use all the skills of his subordinates you have any idea how op that is? and plus hinata is a disaster class level threat and rimuru was weakened AND it was before he became a demon lord in the light novel hinata herself says after seeing rimurus demon lord aura that she was scared and that if rimuru were to go on a rampage it would take an experienced demon lord like luminous who has 2000 years of experience to subdue rimuru
Ironically, Veldora become stronger after meeting Rimuru and reading manga! In one way, he has matured a lot and learned that patience and friends are important. 👍🏻
Velvzard doesn't have more magicules than Veldora, that is stated two or three times in the LN. Also, the true dragons retain some of their memories after ressurecting. Veldora was killed many times and yet he was able to remembe how Guy Crimson killed him in the past.
LN vol 19 convinced me that the whole war arc thing is just straight up a huge misunderstanding, Micheal said it "itself" (manas are theosophical beings without gender that exist inside the soul of their master, so I can't say it's "Himself" generally speaking since this 'gender' definition to manas varies)
Yo. Got a question. How strong woyld you rank demon lord milim? Would you rank her among goku or narutoo or ichigo? And eho is stronger guy crimson or the dragons
@@benetnashedits but like tbh how? We dont know her movenement speed and what i saw in the anime she can only split Mountain and a bit of like a country but nowhere near a planet. While naruto also tanked a attack that split the moon and has baryon mode wich his speed is even higher then Light speed. And yeah he can steal her life force away.
@@benetnashedits ooff really. I didnt know. Qell tbh they should make her more powerful in the anime cuz now it looks like she can only destroy mountains. They really nerfed her for being strong and that deletes the fun but yeah. I already knew carrion wasnt a match for her like tf was he trying
I jsut want to say the while thing with the primordials they were not created as observers for veldanavas creations. They were in fact his firat creations because he sought sentiemt beings to communicate with since at the time he was the only one.
@@meme-zh4fc yeah, we never see them fight but in volume 19 rimuru fought michael who jas velzard's and velgrynd dragon factor and their skill but . Rimuru was able to beat him very easily.
@@ratre7349 Yeah. Rimuru literally has 4 dragon factors. He has his own dragon factor plus another 3 from the true dragon siblings. He hasn't shown his true dragon powers yet since he has to release his dragon haki to reveal his true power ad stated by ciel but he has done it since nobody knows he is a true dragon not even feld who had made it his mission to take all the true dragon factors.
Did you guys notice that it was only in the web novel that Velgrynd ultimate skill evolved into the god level meanwhile in the light novel it still retained the level of king or lord
No they are not blood related but all true dragons calls themself as sibling of another true dragon so inshort the term brother and sister are kimda just titles
1. Veldanava 2. Rimuru 3. Velzard 4. Gaia 5. Velgrynd 6. Veldora Rimuru will be no.1 at the end of series, but i think rimuru is Veldanava's reincarnation.
But did this evolution to a true dragon make Rimuru stronger than Guy? Or are they more like equals right now?He is now "GREAT Demon Lord" if i remember correctly as a title and has 12 True Demon lords as his subordinates. Or does Rimuru go again thru another evolution even beyond that?I'm not quite up to date with the web novel or light novel.
@@encapsulatio Rimuru went 2v1 against 2 True dragons even before he became True dragon himself and managed to win. So after becoming True dragon Rimuru was already stronger than Yuuki which Guy couldn't beat. Only reason yuuki won is because he caught Rimuru of guard and send him into some space. Yukki said himself that he doesn't stand a chance against Rimuru.
Iirc Rimuru has some sort of control over time? Imagine if Just imagine If he WAS Veldanava, and the reason Voice of The World sounds similar to Raphael is because when he, long into the future, would give himself up to create the world, Raphael/Ciel would become Voice of the world
@@nyarlathotepthecrawlingcha969 that is my train of thought aswell cos when rimaru evolved into a demon lord and the harvest festival began raphial sounded like the voice of the world and they talked to one another during the harvest but u couldn't tell the difference between them in the anime
No they can't...if we're talking brute strenght+fighting skills...but they could annoy him a lot with their magic and ultimate skills that have to do with space and time manipulation. Only One Punch Man is in the position to go "meta" (aka outside his universe) and fight with Goku.But even then I would not think he can beat Goku...or Vegeta. Theoretically when Gods of Destruction fight their whole universe is shaken by the fighting...so One Punch Man/Saitama or Rimuru or every other character that's popular can't do much to equally fight in a martial battle Goku or Vegeta.
@@kerstemperature We hardly know anything about Zeno and what he can really do. He just got pissed for some reason and destroyed 6 universes...so i don't se how Veldana is superior.
@@encapsulatio Veldanava created a thousands of universes cuz he got bored and he can destroyed that easily too..Veldanava only killed by the system he created himself..Zeno doesn't have any chance against Prime Velda....
Veldora when he got his own body by Rimuru.
RISE OF A WEEB DRAGON!
as weeb tsundere dragon...
If I remember correctly, Veldora has the strongest energy or most magicules or something like that. But he is weaker than his sisters because his Storm element is weak against the scorch and ice elements, not to mention that his control over his magic, skills and/or abilities was inferior to them because he used to only rely on brute strength (before meeting Rimuru and reading manga).
Ah yes, reading manga makes people stronger.
@@cygnusereve4779 works for veldora ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It’s because he never tried before, he got better at fighting taking inspiration from manga not better control, that came after he got his ultimate skill and tried to control it however he still has the worst control of all the dragons
Well, it's said he has the largest magicule reserve but it causes a disaster if he reaches his peak and it all dumps out. They avoided this catastrophe once by Luminous attacking him and painfully drained his magicules in a bear hug and later by using the magicules to turn iron into magisteel and create monsters in the labryrinth (this also evolved the guardians they stationed as boss monsters over time). Note that Rimuru dumps his excess magicules in his stomach space but could not use the magicules in that stomach space till he evolved further later so not only did he have magicule capacity exceeding Veldanova's after destroying the Empire but had access to all the magicules he had been storing in his alternate space when hiding his aura and power from others which he had been doing ever since meeting the goblins. I guess this will be important when battling the angels and perhaps in resurrecting or finding the reincarnation of Veldanava. Raphael or rather Ciel also worked out how to convert souls into magicules that Rimuru could use so after the various wars, Rimuru also has access to a lot of souls plus all the ones they con out of Guy when Guy asks Rimuru to evolve his primordial demoness maids though Rimuru used all of the souls conned from Guy to evolve his own three demonesses. As evolving the demons seems to form a loyalty and a soul channel between the demons and Rimunu, I wonder if Guy's maids might shift their allegiances over time, as it is, four of the seven primordial serve Rimunu, two serve Guy and Guy himself is a primordial. I can see all seven eventually being subservient to Rimunu some day much to Rimunu's consternation as well as a Rimunuism religion developing with Luminous teaching him how to distribute and collect power through the faith of his followers, Adele and Alberto being taught to re-establish their holy powers by worshipping Rimunu and the imperial soldiers he resurrected calling him their goddess (this reminds me of playing nethack when I was an University student, as the first undergrad to make the top ten list, I unfortunately did so as a demigoddess as in the last level I stepped into a pool of lava using up the amulet of resurrection I had on and when putting on a replacement, I accidentally put on an amulet of change I had been saving to polymorph into more amulets of resurrection, then finished the game before polymorphing or finding another amulet of change).
@@johnwang9914 the only thing I’m sure is that Guy will NEVER serve Rimuru. His pride and ego would never allow it.
Rain possibly but I doubt Mizary will.
I just love how Ciel is soo Obedient to Rimuru, on the other hand Micheal tried to use His masters body (Rudra) for the reincarnation of Star dragon Veldanava..."after ciel heard it she said: how foolish if i were him i would have tried to reincarnate my Master (Rimuru) into a temporary body then Fully Replenish him.".. I was soo Moved that moment...
I am starting to believe that Valda-Nava was reincarnated as a slime with the memories of an other worker. Rimiru Tempest and Veldora Tempest are truly brothers in this version of things.
Rimiru's slime form is the definition of turning nothing into anything he wants. I love how detailed this series is with the powers and abilities because it is the only way to get away with raising a character to Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Omnipresence.
Thank you for covering this series with highly detailed videos!
I mean it's the case for Shiro of Kumo Desu ga Nani Ka
Spoilers (if u didn't read LN)
D is Wakaba and the teacher saved a little spider from getting crushed by the students and when the class exploded everyone died including the little spider who was hanging on her web in a corner of the ceiling, D was the only "survivor" and and when she reincarnated all the students and the teacher she also reincarnated the little spider but inprinted her memories as Wakaba insude her making her believe she was Wakaba
So yeah they're the same person but 2 completely different beings with different cores
@@anathar1942 what the fuck my mind,
Spoiler for: So im a spider so what LN
so kumoko is a literal spider from our world given sentience and reincarnated???
@@anathar1942 but that doesn't explain why there are only 8 parallel minds in Shiro/white. The only way it makes sense is, if not the spider in the classroom was reincarnated, but wakaba/admin D only reincarnated one of her parallel minds into a spider monster. Because admin D is the 9th parallel mind tgat was missing in tge whole series, she was the very first parallel mind and kumoko is just another parallel mind of Wakaba
@@AgarioSplitrunner probably
Lucia was a sister of the first hero(aka Rudra), she was not an otherworlder.
Technically speaking, Rimuru has become somewhat of a True Dragon... Given how he utterly swallowed both Veldora and Velgrynd within him, absorbing their very essence and powers. A "New Brother" according to Velgrynd, but one she could never accept.
i understand but i think because he wasnt created as a true dragon was the point of this video....
She has the right not to accept him, absorbing their very essence and powers just to become a true dragon is a twist move, the author making a weak character like rimuru to be more powerful so fast is a lazy writing.
@@Wargray621 rimuru was never weak bro even while he was still a demon lord he was really strong
@@sarama7579 Is rimuru strong on his own? No, if ciel wasn't helping him every time, he will be liability. Rimuru depend on ciel so much and he even said if wasn't for her helping him avoiding milim's attacks he will be dead/not to mention says one punch from her will kill him if veldora didn't appear before him. Besides, the only reason why rimuru is strong (besides his depended on ciel) is because he just absorb or eat the abilities of his opponents. Don't forget rimuru couldn't beat hinata and he created a clone of him to deceive her.
@@Wargray621 yes rimuru is strong on his own in the anime hes a disaster class threat and in the light novel hes a catastrophe class even stronger than guy crimson and milim as of volume 19 💀. And bro milim is literally one of the strongest beings in the tensura universe milim and guy are said to be extraordinary compared to the other demon lords guy even told leon that he might have a 1 in a million chance of beating him if he's lucky and leon is really strong and pretty experienced demon lord in his own right we can cut rimuru some slack considering he just became a demon lord 💀 and bro rimuru can literally use all the skills of his subordinates you have any idea how op that is? and plus hinata is a disaster class level threat and rimuru was weakened AND it was before he became a demon lord in the light novel hinata herself says after seeing rimurus demon lord aura that she was scared and that if rimuru were to go on a rampage it would take an experienced demon lord like luminous who has 2000 years of experience to subdue rimuru
Ironically, Veldora become stronger after meeting Rimuru and reading manga! In one way, he has matured a lot and learned that patience and friends are important. 👍🏻
Velvzard doesn't have more magicules than Veldora, that is stated two or three times in the LN.
Also, the true dragons retain some of their memories after ressurecting. Veldora was killed many times and yet he was able to remembe how Guy Crimson killed him in the past.
He said he vaguely sensed he fought and lost but since he doesn't remember it didn't happen
5:16 Look forward to my fan fiction for her - THAT TIME I GOT REINCARNATED AS A SLIME - COLLIDING WITH A DRAGON.
A quick correction- Veldora has the highest magicules after Veldanava not Velzard
read wht u said again. and again
True... LN facts.
@@darkzero7405 What was the pre-edit?
Velzard one shot veldora
@@latifahpharr9632 yes, but he still has more magicules, we know magicules don’t mean power just look at Micheal and Rimuru fight
and yet rimuru managed to beat two of them
More the ciel beat two of them tbh lol
@@darthkage2163 Nah, its more like Rimuru beat Veldora and Ciel beat Velgrynd
Spoiler
Wisdom king Raphael (op) is the ultimate skill that has power over all other ultimate skills just like justice king Michael has power over angels
@@darthkage2163 nah, raphael/ ciel is rimurus skill. hes just making use of it, so rimuru is still the one who beats the two
I love the video😁😁
Hey could you do one on the Primordial Angels or just the angels in general
Please 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Rimuru eventually acquires velzards dragon factor as well as veldora, and velgryn. Rimuru can create universes.
Decided to re-watch 1:23 they retain all the memories but lose some of the aspects of personality
They're the manifestations of concepts
Will veldora ever be the top true dragon??
I meant the real true dragon not just rimuru and all.
Probably not. I'm guessing the strongest in the series will always be Veldanava or Rimuru
@@encapsulatio maybe ivaraje?
Day 8 of asking you to rank and explain all the ultimate skills & gifts in the tensura verse
Good job man. Keep it up
thanks man XD
if you guys didn't know veldora has a side story for when he was inside of rimuru's stomach commenting on rimuru's adventure
Tbh i bet one day rimuru will resurrect Veldanava or milim's mom
Veldora finally able to beat his sister I think the fire one
I'm sorry, but watching Ramiris pass out when realizing she is right in front of Veldora still makes me LMFAO.
LN vol 19 convinced me that the whole war arc thing is just straight up a huge misunderstanding, Micheal said it "itself" (manas are theosophical beings without gender that exist inside the soul of their master, so I can't say it's "Himself" generally speaking since this 'gender' definition to manas varies)
I am certain that Rimiru is Veldanava's reincarnation and Raphael is his wife. my theory is Rimiru is both of them ressurrected.
King of chaos is just fkn ridiculous
Their is a theory Rimiru is part of the reincarnation line of Veldanava and his wife the evidence supporting this theory is Rimiru's ultimate skills
My favourite true dragon is Veldora and Veldanava
Yo. Got a question. How strong woyld you rank demon lord milim? Would you rank her among goku or narutoo or ichigo? And eho is stronger guy crimson or the dragons
@@sherbelajo6290 she can easily solo the whole bleach Naruto verse
@@benetnashedits but like tbh how? We dont know her movenement speed and what i saw in the anime she can only split Mountain and a bit of like a country but nowhere near a planet. While naruto also tanked a attack that split the moon and has baryon mode wich his speed is even higher then Light speed. And yeah he can steal her life force away.
@@sherbelajo6290 lol read novel raged milim can easily destroy solar system
@@benetnashedits ooff really. I didnt know. Qell tbh they should make her more powerful in the anime cuz now it looks like she can only destroy mountains. They really nerfed her for being strong and that deletes the fun but yeah. I already knew carrion wasnt a match for her like tf was he trying
So what you're saying is that Milim is this world's version of Jesus Christ? That explains a lot.
I thought there were 5 dragons. Rhe young earth dragon that was just boen
veldanava
Can you please make a video about the angels
I jsut want to say the while thing with the primordials they were not created as observers for veldanavas creations. They were in fact his firat creations because he sought sentiemt beings to communicate with since at the time he was the only one.
I wish Veldora make real dragon balls because he already mastered the Kamehamehaa
Like shen long
Why bother making a dragon ball when he's a dragon himself just make a skill that grants wishes
Can you go over veldoras power
Nice
Is Milim a true dragon?
Is Veldora now a slime species as his soul is in a slime body double?
Milim isn't 100% a True Dragon but her existence is very comparable to True Dragon
Strongest True Dragons ( LN ):
Veldanava
Velzard
Rimuru
Velgrynd
Veldora
actually we dont know who would win between rimuru and velzard
@@meme-zh4fc yeah, we never see them fight but in volume 19 rimuru fought michael who jas velzard's and velgrynd dragon factor and their skill but . Rimuru was able to beat him very easily.
in wn rimuru is first but in ln rimuru is second
@@ratre7349 Yeah. Rimuru literally has 4 dragon factors. He has his own dragon factor plus another 3 from the true dragon siblings. He hasn't shown his true dragon powers yet since he has to release his dragon haki to reveal his true power ad stated by ciel but he has done it since nobody knows he is a true dragon not even feld who had made it his mission to take all the true dragon factors.
@user-ue3xw3nn3dthat just a parallel existance of velgrynd
Bro just make an explanation of all the ultimate skills please😭
So is milin older than the 3 dragons ??-
Why isn't veldanava reborn yet
Did you guys notice that it was only in the web novel that Velgrynd ultimate skill evolved into the god level meanwhile in the light novel it still retained the level of king or lord
No it didn't. It evolved to god level. I remember is being called god of something while she was traversing the multiverse in volume 16.
can we please get a mmorpg from this series
Are veldenava and veldora brothers??
yes they are
No they are not blood related but all true dragons calls themself as sibling of another true dragon so inshort the term brother and sister are kimda just titles
They are like bijuus
By the end we have 6 or 7 true dragons.
1. Veldanava
2. Rimuru
3. Velzard
4. Gaia
5. Velgrynd
6. Veldora
Rimuru will be no.1 at the end of series, but i think rimuru is Veldanava's reincarnation.
How are True Dragons born?
Isn't lucia rudra's sister
Veldora should be the middle child lol
Technically rimuru is kind of his younger sibling
In the future there will be 5 now
Like :)
tq :D
@@AnimeRumpaihow is true dragon born
Duhh in the end there's 5 thrue dragons with rimuru
In the light novel is veldora more powerful than his sister
Actually...theres 5
Im sure rimuru has a true dragon form he is 5th true dragon
All this because of one idiot never learning from his past mistakes in messing with powers he had no business messing with.
Btw veldora already surpassed his sisters
But did this evolution to a true dragon make Rimuru stronger than Guy? Or are they more like equals right now?He is now "GREAT Demon Lord" if i remember correctly as a title and has 12 True Demon lords as his subordinates.
Or does Rimuru go again thru another evolution even beyond that?I'm not quite up to date with the web novel or light novel.
Not Velzard tho
@@encapsulatio In WN Rimuru basically became (a) god.
Not really his winning chance against velgrynd is only 50:50 while velzard is currently unknown
@@encapsulatio Rimuru went 2v1 against 2 True dragons even before he became True dragon himself and managed to win. So after becoming True dragon Rimuru was already stronger than Yuuki which Guy couldn't beat. Only reason yuuki won is because he caught Rimuru of guard and send him into some space. Yukki said himself that he doesn't stand a chance against Rimuru.
Spoiler:-
Rimuru becomes the god tier true dragon
Isn't rimuru valda-nava reincarnation I don't know if it true or not
@@wiremuhenry4297 it isn't confirmed
@@benetnashedits thanks bro I hope it is true or gets confirmed 😄
Iirc Rimuru has some sort of control over time?
Imagine if
Just imagine
If he WAS Veldanava, and the reason Voice of The World sounds similar to Raphael is because when he, long into the future, would give himself up to create the world, Raphael/Ciel would become Voice of the world
@@nyarlathotepthecrawlingcha969 that is my train of thought aswell cos when rimaru evolved into a demon lord and the harvest festival began raphial sounded like the voice of the world and they talked to one another during the harvest but u couldn't tell the difference between them in the anime
Ya but can they beat Goku though 😏
No they can't...if we're talking brute strenght+fighting skills...but they could annoy him a lot with their magic and ultimate skills that have to do with space and time manipulation.
Only One Punch Man is in the position to go "meta" (aka outside his universe) and fight with Goku.But even then I would not think he can beat Goku...or Vegeta.
Theoretically when Gods of Destruction fight their whole universe is shaken by the fighting...so One Punch Man/Saitama or Rimuru or every other character that's popular can't do much to equally fight in a martial battle Goku or Vegeta.
@@encapsulatio LMAO..Veldanava can wiped out DBZ verse in an instant including Zeno..
@@kerstemperature We hardly know anything about Zeno and what he can really do. He just got pissed for some reason and destroyed 6 universes...so i don't se how Veldana is superior.
@@encapsulatio Veldanava created a thousands of universes cuz he got bored and he can destroyed that easily too..Veldanava only killed by the system he created himself..Zeno doesn't have any chance against Prime Velda....
@@encapsulatio I read LN and Velda is intensely broken asf..