TOO HUMAN (Zero Punctuation)
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This week, Zero Punctuation dies and is resurrected - over and over and over - in Too Human.
Fast-talking Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw reviews a new game each week in this animated series that combines informed critique with cutting humor. Watch the next episode of Zero Punctuation a week early, only on The Escapist.
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Playing as Balder, you'd expect to be fighting nothing but Mistletoe
Sally Butter Pants Or Loki with a Mistletoe gatling gun
+Sally Butter Pants What even is your username?!
+Neenjah Rammus or guys in suits made of mistletoe taking orders from Loki.
Black Fire Dragon the 13th maybe mistletoe Ents
+Neenjah Rammus or loki's failed clones made from mistletoe.
I still think "Balder's gait" is one of the best jokes Yahtzee ever told. Closely followed by "And the hammer is made of wank."
1:45 well someone did exactly that and look what happened 😂
Flows like a river of bricks... that is awesome. I need to find a situation in which I can use that in a sentence with someone.
I can say that of the information traffic on a rehular day where I work, that's for sure.
This conversation is flowing like a river of bricks.
Next time you're constipated
I remember several years ago Game Informer did their Q and A section and someone asked about how Too Human was removed from online storefronts. The person asked where they could get it and the staff member answered with "why would you even want it in the first place"
I wonder what happened to the development of this game that made it turn out like that.
@@intergalactichumanempire9759 Dennis Dyack happened. The shenanigans Silicon Knights was pulling with him at the helm were actually well-documented, because he'd went and tried to steal Unreal Engine when making a shitty X-Men game.
Prerelease description of the game back in 1999: "Set in 2450 AD, Too Human is a futuristic psychological thriller that has you contemplate the effects of genetics, prosthetics, and the struggle of humankind to deal with the symbiosis of man and machine."
Whatever happened to that game?
Ion storm picked up the idea and made the original Deus ex.
Crowley9 I
sounds like exactly what cyberpunk 2077 will be and this is what God of war essentially did with norse mythology just with magic instead of technology
man it was 19 years when they had a prerelease description, I am getting old
LMAO, hoo boi did they shoot for the moon and ended up hitting their own bellends...
@@httohot cyberpunk wont be a thriller. And they didn't say anything about any moral whatevers about cybernetics and augmentations. What the hell have you been reading about cyberpunk 2077?
I kind of want Yahtzee to write a book re-telling mythology. His take on the Baldur story was utterly spot on while at the same time was made to sound as awful as he could possibly make it without lying.
Imagine making submarines out of anything but metal. Not me, I'd never. Someone would but I wouldn't
Yahtzee is actually right about Baldur(Balder actually), his mother Frigg actually went around to everything in the world to tell them that they couln't hurt her little boy, except a plant which Loki(actually Loke) made an arrow out of and made a blind man shoot balder with that arrow.
I wish I didn't know this, but there was nothing else to read after school.
Hey! Nordisk mytologi is awezome!
***** Yeah, kinda.
Yup! Read it too. It was mistletoe of all things.
Moshe Ferdman Well, Frigg asked all beings on earth to avoid hurting Balder. The mistletoe does not have any contact with earth and didn't hear the request.
Well said! Although it wasn't just some blind man, it was Baldr's brother Hodr (Hod, Höðr, Höður, Hoder).
Just to add, I really wish you Scandinavians would stop trying to "correct" the English spelling of names in Norse mythology. Baldur is just one form of the name, Baldr, Baldur and Balder are all correct. Same goes with Loki or Loke and Thor, Tor, Þór or Þórr and the list goes on and on.
12 years ago, yahtzee predicting the Titan sub failure....
"Baldur's Gait"
BA-DUM TSS
Still one of his best puns ever.
Great pun. Terrible to bring that into this travesty of a game though...
I find every review he does has one moment that makes me pause to laugh. This was that one.
I wish this game didn't suck. We need a truly awesome action game based on Norse mythology (and preferably not a sci-fi reimagining of it). It's so much more badass than Greek and Roman mythology.
viking: battle for asgard?
_The Banner Saga_ is a good one.
***** Hear hear!
skyrim? kinda
Alex Krasikow Not really the elder scrolls mythology is more of a conjunction between several different mythologys
Interestingly enough, Silicon Knights were so fucking scummy with the development of this game that Epic literally sued them for copyright infringement when it turned out that SK had used chunks of Unreal Engine wholesale without permission and they made SK destroy all unsold copies of the game. So you cannot actually get this game unless you buy it used.
oh yeah, and SK closed its doors shortly after Too Human launched as well. It was that bad. So I guess that means he ED rights are floating in limbo. Waiting for someone to swoop in and make a sequel.
At least a web comic to finish the trilogy, i don’t believe that Epic Games would be interested of make the sequel
@@Mr.Kucharo137 trilogy, you say? But yeah you're probably right.
Given the protagonist making a surprise appearance as a Smash Ultimate Spirit, I presume Nintendo has the rights?
205 people were added to the government depopulation list.
+Owen Hale make that 209
+Quiptipt 212
+jay roush 215
+George stamatakis 217
aaaaaand now 218
The god of light, joy, purity, beauty, innocence, and reconciliation. Son of Odin and Frigg, he was loved by both gods and men and was considered to be the best of the gods. He had a good character, was friendly, wise and eloquent, although he had little power. His wife was Nanna daughter of Nep, and their son was Forseti, the god of justice. Balder's hall was Breidablik ("broad splendor").
Most of the stories about Balder concern his death. He had been dreaming about his death, so Frigg extracted an oath from every creature, object and force in nature (snakes, metals, diseases, poisons, fire, etc.) that they would never harm Balder. All agreed that none of their kind would ever hurt or assist in hurting Balder. Thinking him invincible, the gods enjoyed themselves thereafter by using Balder as a target for knife-throwing and archery.
The malicious trickster, Loki, was jealous of Balder. He changed his appearance and asked Frigg if there was absolutely nothing that could harm the god of light. Frigg, suspecting nothing, answered that there was just one thing: a small tree in the west that was called mistletoe. She had thought it was too small to ask for an oath. Loki immediately left for the west and returned with the mistletoe. He tricked Balder's blind twin brother Hod into throwing a mistletoe fig (dart) at Balder. Not knowing what he did, Hod threw the fig, guided by Loki's aim. Pierced through the heart, Balder fell dead.
While the gods were lamenting Balder's death, Odin sent his other son Hermod to Hel, the goddess of death, to plead for Balder's return. Hel agreed to send Balder back to the land of the living on one condition: everything in the world, dead or alive, must weep for him. And everything wept, except for Loki, who had disguised himself as the witch Thokk. And so Balder had to remain in the underworld.
The others took the dead god, dressed him in crimson cloth, and placed him on a funeral pyre aboard his ship Ringhorn, which passed for the largest in the world. Beside him they lay the body of his wife Nanna, who had died of a broken heart. Balder's horse and his treasures were also placed on the ship. The pyre was set on fire and the ship was sent to sea by the giantess Hyrrokin.
Loki did not escape punishment for his crime and Hod was put to death by Vali, son of Odin and Rind. Vali had been born for just that purpose. After the final conflict (Ragnarok), when a new world arises from its ashes, both Balder and Hod will be reborn.
Freeasabird Always thought the Hod punishment was super fucked up since Lo-key-shithead was the source of everything.
It's kinda cool if you learn this language with the help of his videos. It's like an English crash course or something. I don't know why but it seems that Yahtzee's wit and intense usage of the English language subconsciously makes an overall bigger impact on one's mind. I don't know I will still attempt to use metaphors a bit more in everyday speech. It's an interesting and creative way of using this language. Cheers!
To top it all off, a court ordered every single copy destroyed since the devs blatantly ripped off assets and code from the developers of the engine the game ran on.
When it comes to hair, no-one's Baldur than this game's protagonist.
HAHAHAHA
Well Done!!
Can't believe no one laughed at this in 2 years.... that's even better than Yahtzee.
aggrevated baked bean
"Because their minds are clearly deviant and much be puuuuurged."
HAHAHHAAA!!!
I find that most of the time watching Yahtzee's reviews of games like this are a lot of the time much more entertaining than actually playing them.
I'm actually proud of the fact that I own this game. It was pulled so its like owning a legend in the gaming industry. It's like owning a copy of E.T except way less impressive.
I gotta say. Too Human had a lot of potential to be awesome. And, while I do enjoy playing it, once I'm done "fighting" Grendel, I no longer really care about the game. I'd love to see someone re-imagine this game with better graphics, story, writing, and combat system. Then again, I'm a big fan of Cyberpunk and Norse Mythology. So maybe they should just make a Cyberpunk Viking game?
If the development wasn't a mess, and the Lawsuit against Epic Games never ocurred, this game would be Amazing
Too Human is one of those weird games, where I will admit that originally I got it because well Silicon Knights + Norse Mythology ... seriously it sounded awesome!
And yeah remember playing it, found it absolutely balls hard and gave up on the boss of Chapter 2.
That said a year later I decided to pick it up and play again... and it really it dawned on me how much of an RPG it really was. Once I had completed it then began to run through the missions again with a Friend, it became painfully obvious just how much of the games design was clearly inspired by MMOs like Everquest or World of Warcraft.
Sure at first the control system seems to be all kinds of fail and the difficult felt less like a curve than just a brick wall you were trying to scale with only your teeth - but the thing is like an MMO once you learn your Class, how to make a good build for it, the Enemy types, it quickly becomes a whole different game and the control system doesn't just make sense but actually is amazingly fluid.
I seriously learn to absolutely love the game to bits, there were still some serious niggles I did have with the game ... such-as the Collision wasn't much better than default Unreal 3 Engine stuff, so could get janky at times, the Camera controls just felt clunky and really did need better control plus the addition of a tutorial area to get you used to the controls and cover some of the basics of the game like most RPGs have (the manual really wasn't much else but did have a bit of helpful info in it... but seriously almost no one read those unless loading screens are as long as DNF)
I also was left feeling like there was suppose to be more, really though that ends up a problem with the design being heavily MMO influenced - the game wants you to go back and replay areas for better loot and such, when you want to have some more interesting content where you can actually enjoy getting the loot rather than feeling like you're just having to grind the same areas over and over again.
Really looking back at it, I still truly enjoyed this game despite it's flaws and I really liked what Silicon Knights was trying to do. I hope whoever has the IP for this game today can put a talented group of people on it to actually look at remaking it ironing out the problems and expanding on it. This said if I were to do it today, rather than going the route of 3 games, I would probably make it an Episodic Arcade Mini-MMO game ... it would work amazingly well if while you were in a hub town you could either meet up with friends or party up with random people, as it would just be a blast.
"And the hammer is made of wank"
this has gotta be one of his best for 'baldur's gait' alone. seriously, that is an exemplary pun
And here's another Yahtzee joke that aged like fine wine from 1912 1:46
Wasn't this game in developmental hell for a decade?
It should've stayed there
***** Originally it was being designed for the PS1.........
rifleman1002 Then onto the Gamecube...
o hai Luke
@@ThierryRocksTV then it move to the Wii, but it's hardware wasn't capable of run the Unreal engine 3, so it moved to Xbox 360 (after Microsoft took the project)
And now the game is free on Xbox One since 2019, for some reason
The absolute worst part was Cyberspace...
God, I spent entire sessions in that place:
It's a fuking maze
There are barriers everywhere
The loot was mostly shit
anyone else noticethat that is infact the left gamecube analogue stick?
this was like one of the first games i had got on 360. played about 15 or so minutes and you know the rest
dont even remember why because it was so brief. think it was because of controlls.
just said nope. that said i kinda want to play it again just to see what its like...
I actually managed to finish the damn thing.
1) As long as you choose the hammer, which has an AOE attack, you don't really need to worry about the grunts as long as you remember to take out the obvious plague rat before they come into melee range.
2) The Valkare thing is just as annoying as he says, but the game has such a forgiving difficulty curve that it didn't become a real annoyance until about halfway through.
3)I actually had more fun using the collectible paint swatches to customizing my armor than I did with the rest of the game.
4:07
That's... "Death Stranding" in a nutshell
Except for the hammer, that is made and sponsored my Monster energy drink
Despite Yahtzee mentioning religion, I see very few religious arguments in the comments. Well, this is a happy surprise.
Probably because a Christian really can't argue the point. The world is utter shit, which even the Bible itself reiterates (Job 5:7), and despite God having the power to fix it instantly He doesn't. If the first question of religion is if you believe that higher powers exist at all, the second question of Christianity specifically is whether you still believe willingly after you recognize everything in my first two sentences
In brief, he summarized the one question that atheists and Christians already both ask themselves, albeit for different reasons, so there's nothing TO argue
It's almost like we're sensible or something.
@@fkgu5968 I have literally never heard Christians claim that. Remember, they believe He HAS intervened, multiple times
@@fkgu5968 I read your post, and all I see is "I wanted to draw this conclusion, so I only saw what I wanted to see"
@@fkgu5968 To put my points in a less condescending way (I apologize for that, by the way) I think you have grossly misunderstood how Christians view free will. Free will and God's intervention are not concepts Christians look at as mutually exclusive. Free will to Christians is always something they discuss in between debates of how literal the stories of Adam and Eve are supposed to be. Miracles, by contrast, are events Christians believe happened far more recently, as in fewer than 4,000 years ago
shame this game no longer exists, I was looking for something mediocre to buy the hellspawns
lol I still have my disk, I just don't know if it can run since I lost the case and I just left it laying around... I could see if it works though... I heard it got recalled, or something along those lines.
Dude the spider on your profile pic is freaking me the fuck out!! *shudders*
Derpy guy ...yeah I know.
Thank god torrenting exists.
it was free giveaway on Xbox Game Pass when it started
0:17 It's Flowey
2:58
...the last fight, I got the achievement for dying 100 times... in that one fight. I'm surprised the Valkyrie didn't just call out sick and ignore me after a while
Liked because of the Baldur's Gait joke.
There's even an achievement for dying a 100 times. And there is a penalty for dying, your equipment gets damaged and useless, which basically makes you die more frequently.
God of War used the right analog stick for dodge rolls and the player had absolutely 0 control over the camera. And yet I rarely had any issues with it. More than 90% of the time it was pointed at exactly what I wanted to be looking at.
So why is it nobody else can seem to get it right?
+FatherTime89 God of War had fixed camera angles. I liked using the analogue stick in Too Human, probably because I usually used a hammer that had area of effect attacks. It takes more skill than button mashing. With VR headsets it might be possible to free-up the right analogue stick if it can track where you're looking.
I am now definitley addicted to every aspect of these reviews, The cynicality, the animations, the imagery and comparisons and the completely random conclusions at the end
The million mile wank-hammer is actually the name of a movie I'm working on! (Back me on kickstarter)
Lol this review is literally part the wikipedia entry for this game. That is how awesome Yahtzee is
Oh man, I haven't relentlessly giggles as much in a while. Probably my favorite ZP.
"The right analog stick is for the camera, that's what it's comfortable with."
Ape Escape did the whole 3-d twinstick combat thing superbly. Now my inner child wants an Ape Escape review.
Too Human is depressing considering that the same people made Blood Omen, which is a great game.
+Xanatos Either a stroke of genius like with M. Night or DNF Syndrome was in full effect.
One3673241
Definitely a stroke of genius. Nothing they were involved with outside of Blood Omen and Eternal Darkness was any good.
Xanatos
Huh, Dyack was the director for ED. Didn't know that.
Probably a good bit of DNF syndrome too. The concept had potential to be interesting...But it took too long, and others beat it to the punch.
Xanatos
Yup.
UPDATE: That shop I mentioned has since been closed down and moved elsewhere. But I can always get the game some other time…
ORIGINAL: I should point out in my town, there’s a shop that mostly sells games alongside movies and iPhone cases, and guess what’s in the shop?
Yep. Too Human. And how much does it cost?
99p. For such a rare game that got a lawsuit behind it.
I’m not making that up.
Idk that joke about the submarine wasn’t very funny, I feel like it collapsed on itself
flows like a river of bricks is a good line
Baldur's Gait. Rofl. That is all.
AAAAY BALDUUUR, LETS GO BOWLING!
***** IF you think that is the best you have fucked up. Welcome back to this thread ♥
That right stick sweating and saying 'Oh Jesus Help' made me piss myself laughing
I have played Too Human. This is an accurate assessment of that shit heap. While the game had some "interesting" mechanics, none of them were implemented with any amount of success. The environments are huge expanses of bland repetitiveness with only a smidgen of variation thrown in here and there to confuse you into thinking the developer knew how to make environments. The music was so forgettable I can honestly recall none of it (probably for the best), the sound design is very similar to the environmental design, and the story is....meh. Almost constructed well enough to hold your attention for ten minutes (and no longer), but the sheer length of the seemingly endless grind that is this game makes that point irrelevant. It could have been this games saving grace, but so little is done with it that it simply leaves you bored and disappointed. Every single other mechanic, from basic movement and combat, to upgrading Baldy-McShootface, to fucking navigating the levels is so unpolished that it feels like they were made just so that the developers could say that they were in the game, without even needing to make sure they were working or even worth anyone's time. Don't waste your time, or your money, with this game. If you absolutely need to play this game, get it for free, because it is SO not worth your money. You can find it for free in a number of places, most notably at the bottom of dumpsters and landfills.
the bottom of dumpsters and landfills is correct. The game's release flopped so hard it was developer recalled. The only copies available now are ones owners are willing to sell. everything else was destroyed like the trash it was. (i played it too. made it to lvl 18 out of 30 and it was painful. gunned the campaign to get it over and chucked it when iw as done.)
steffan hymer I have no clue to what level I made it to, as it was so long ago (and the game was so forgettable), but I, too, finished the game. I honestly have no idea why. I think that my younger, naive self wanted to know whether or not it would become worth it, if the game would get better. Oh, how wrong I was.
You know, I do distinctly remember that, upon seeing how heavily the ending implied more, upcoming games in the "franchise"; I laughed out loud and said something along the lines of "Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen." I honestly find it amusing that they assumed that their shit-heap of coding which does not deserve the title of a "game" would do well enough out of the gate to deserve a sequel or two. I'd almost feel sorry for the devs, if I had any empathy left for them.
FuzzzWuzzz Whoops, typo.. Should say "forgettable". I'll fix it.
FuzzzWuzzz xD rofl
Idk, I thought there was magic in there. Beat it too.
For some reason, although I'm fairly certain I've watched every video, coming back and watching this another time made me fall resolutely in love with Yahtzee.
1:52 Gavin Free shouldn't watch this video
Why?
+Pylon Jumper 2002 If you know about Gavin Free, but don't know why it would be interesting to see him ride a SOGGY submarine made of BREAD, then you clearly don't know much about Gavin Free.
+Pylon Jumper 2002 he doesn't like wet bread
Fernando Batista
Sinking bread submarine - The Slow Mo Guys
Baldur's Gait.
This is too good of a pun to be mad at
Are baked beans the same in the UK as they are in the US?
Not sure what’s worse. The fact this got caught in development hell for ten years or the fact something this bad was eventually the result of the developers bankruptcy.
Yes, bankruptcy. They lost a lawsuit with Epic Games after it was found that the engine of this game, among others, illegally used parts of Unreal Engine 3.
this game was going to be a cyberpunk RPG on the ps1 by the way
You weren't around, stay silent and humble
@@StoneTheCr0w what does that even mean in this context?
@Coras52 Actually the death of baldur is just another occurance, at the end of which loki is chained to a stone where a snake slowly drips venom on him everyday for his crime. It is not the start of ragnarok. However, ragnarok begins when loki is freed of these chains and joins the evil forces (fenris, jormurgandr, the jotuns, etc), so you are not far off.
Had he reviewed this later, this game would have likely landed in his "Occasional guide to retarded moments in gaming history" episodes.
Few games can claim to have been developed over the life-cycles of three different consoles, originally intended as a 4-disc bundle for the Playstation in '99, then shifted to the Gamecube a few years later, and THEN to the 360 in 2005, where it still took 3 more years to release. Not to mention there was a nasty lawsuit between Silicon Knights and Epic Games during said development cycle. And then it was still a buggy, awful game upon release that sold next to nothing.
Is it bad that I actually liked this game?
+Bastian Arliss yes, it is. it is bad. the game is so very bad, and when more of it gets made we are fucked
dragenfire68 I honestly enjoyed this game xD
+Bastian Arliss still is a shit game that should have been put into a shredder, and it having fans makes God weep. whenever some one likes this game a bucket of kittens are skinned then burned.
Yatzhee can say anything he wants without getting hate. And honestly I love it
He gets hate from fanboys not keyboard warriors.
How does one make a hammer out of wank... like seriously how does that work?
u freeze it........
dont ask how i know.
I guess that works... might break easily... then you gotta make a new one.
srawa dernam That brought some weird pictures to my head... damn it man ._.
try doing it after succeding at No Nut November while living at a stripper club. Should be plentiful and thick enough for it to congeal into any shape you desire.
A breadmarine might actually work quite well... It's naturally buoyant, but when it gets soggy, it'll sink, so to control its depth all you have to do is manage its level of sogginess. Dip it into the water for more soggy, and dry it out (with a few hundred hairdryers or something) when you want to resurface.
I really hate these "Tagged" commercials...
just got a add for chap stick... how I got that from Yahtzees videos is beyond me
0:51 King Thor from Dan Jurgens run.
How about a game where you play as Jesus and you spread friendship and understanding while fighting the forces darkness, chaos and Catholics.
There's already a game like that and it's called....Naruto Shippuden series with Jesus starring as Naruto Uzumaki.
Soooo...Actraiser?
"Flows like a river of bricks" has since become part of my vocabulary. Along with "mad as a box of squirrels" and "herding cats in a tumble drier".
the only reason why i got this games because it was 2 bucks. now i know why it was 2 bucks.
Ten thumbed cripple. Gets me every time.
Ironic to be dying repeatedly in a game where you're named after a famously invincible god.
Well to be fair dying was Baldur’s one personality trait and entire purpose in Norse myth.
Also there’s a chance he was actually a later Christian addition and an attempt to synchronise Norse myth and Christianity. Baldur is the god of goodness, light, and all things nice, son of the head gods, was betrayed by a friend, dies and is foretold to return at the end of days to usher in an age of peace. Either Baldur had his image Christ-ified or that’s some mad coincidence
The enemies must be made of mistletoe
3:35 Oh, did you have to? That's almost as bad as, "nothing can possibly go wrong" or "This is going to be the best Christmas Walford's ever had."
"Hurr
Hurr
Hurr"
-Yahweh
XD
4:18, Yahtzee breathes for the first time ever.
Do i smell atheism, Ben Yahtzee?
Well he's funny so that's the first sign.
What, are you saying that you can only be a christian or an atheist?
Oh who am I kidding. Those are really the only two options these days.
CipherOfHate What, a christian can't be funny? Since when is there a correlation between being religious and being funny?
Oh. Wait. You're one of those angsty atheist wankers who take *any* chance they can get to throw needless hate at a western religion.
You give us atheists such a bad name. Please stop. Atheism isn't about who has the biggest cock.
*****
You've read way too much into this, mate. As MeetMyMeat said, it was a joke. And anyway, if you're not a christian it shouldn't even offend you.
CipherOfHate Late night. Tired. Angry. Sorry.
But it is quite common for atheists to label all religious people, mostly christians, as stupid or gullible or whatever. It just annoys me, is all. As an atheist myself it bothers me to see people be ridiculously intolerant towards perfectly respectable and intelligent people, just because they think they know better.
So yeah, as an atheist, I can be offended. But anyway, yeah I get that it was a joke, ignore the angry wanker over here in the corner.
It's a damn shame. I remember reading a press announcement back in the late 90s that made Too Human sound a pretty awesome hard science cyberpunk game.
One funny thing about the irreligious is that, instead of actually calling Christian theodicy, which says that all evils, both natural and moral, boil down to Original Sin and are therefore ultimately our fault, bullshit, they instead suppose that Christianity has no answer to the question of why bad things happen to good people other than saying that God works in mysterious ways. The actual answer Christianity supplies to why Little Timmy got run over is that despite all appearances, little Timmy is an inherently depraved little shit like the rest of the human race. Now, you can criticize this all you like, but criticize the actual doctrine, not something from a Halmark greeting card. In fact, I'm pretty sure Yatzhee shares the belief that children are depraved little shits, so you'd think he'd be more sympathetic.
That would presuppose that a majority of Christians agree with that. they don't.
Though there is certainly a sect that follows that.
What you just mentioned falls under the 'all kinds of interesting creative reasons' category.
Cause if original sin truly is the reason lil timmy got run over by his all loving god that wants him to know him and forgive him because he's a dirty sinner by default. It stands to reason all of humanity would have gotten run over already. So you still need a reason why specifically lil timmy was special enough to get run over.
crowscrowcrow That's the reason little Timmy is ALLOWED to get run over and God doesn't swoop down to save him. And 99% of those who call themselves Christians believe in Original Sin.
angermyode
You are confusing the acceptance of the doctrine of original sin, with acceptance of original sin as the answer to the problem of evil.
If the problem of evil was really already solved within doctrine it wouldn't be such an often repeated question. The answers run the gambit.
- It's not really evil in the big picture
- its part of the plan
- its part of freewill
- we deserve it cause we're sinners
- suffering teaches us
Again I just want to repeat you are certainly right that some sects follow the original sin explanation, but to put it forward as Christianity's answer is overreaching quite a bit.
crowscrowcrow
I think these all fall under the same heading. You seem to be discussing why Original Sin was possible in the first place, and why God, in doctrine, bothered to plant the tree of Good and Evil. The problem of evil as to why Evil exist at all is a separate issue. For example, there could be an unfallen planet like in Lewis's Space Trilogy where the equivalent of little Timmy gets hit by the tractor and then spontaneously regenerates. The question isn't why natural evil exists at all, but why it exists for humanity (as in the title of this shit game). And the answer to that in Christian doctrine, right or wrong, is Original Sin.
angermyode
"The problem of evil, why it exists at all." Is different from "The problem of evil, why bad things happen to good people." ?
These are not different separate questions. the second is just a bit more specific then the first. But without a doubt neither should exist in a universe ruled by an all loving, all powerful, all knowing being. (Which of course invokes the creative reasons listed above)
Also I thought I already explained this previously but. Original sin does not mean what you say it means. It is not god's free pass to justly ignore suffering precisely because of the traits ascribed to all loving, that includes unconditional love, heck that's pretty much the message of Jesus that god loves you dirty sinners so much he's willing to forgive you for original sin. Granted it requires a blood sacrifice cause fuck logic, but it does demonstrate that original sin alone is not enough in doctrine for the christian god to ignore lil timmy.
Here's how I'd make the game in 2019.
1. Make the characters a mix of Nordic design and Sci-Fi technology, leading to soem cybernetic prostheses and even mechanical armor with the feel of a cold-hearted savage warrior.
2. Keep the personalities of every God, but have Baldur be a cocky badass due to his myth. Guy can't be killed unless he's scratched by mistletoe, so I'd probably make the story a humbling one for the character.
3. Treat my wmployees that are creating the game with a modicum of more respect than everyone who worked on this game, and pay for the damn engine.
4. Leave the damn right stick alone. I'd have the attacks mapped out, with a weapon swapping mechanic. Maybe even a coverfire attack in Melee mode, and a quick sweeping Melee attack in Ranged Mode.
5. If I'm getting a trilogy out of this, then I'm focusing on making the first game as best as I damn well can. The other games will get energy put into them when the time comes, but first impressions in a series are important. And if it isn't a trilogy, then the game would have to stand on its own.
greatly appreciated the Baulders Gate reference, one of my fav games
"or as I should say, Bauldor's gait"
lol'd at the reference
First, the "dart" was a spear.
Second, it was a spear tipped with mistletoe, being the only substance in the universe that could still hurt Baldur after everything else swore an oath not to hurt him after Baldur dreamed of his own death.
Third, Hod's hand was guided by Loki when he threw that "shaft" because Hod was blind and therefore wasn't allowed to throw things at Baldur for fear that he might injure someone.
Hod was feeling left out.
"There there baby, it doesn't matter that you're a ten thumbed cripple who literally can't fight to save their life; let's just get you tucked into beddy-byes!" LOL
@MrJaggia96 Churchill was famously witty in his comebacks and speeches. In fact, there was once a rumour that he hired someone to follow him round saying 'Oh, snap!' before they found out that it was simply a natural reaction to hearing him speak.
"And a hammer is made of wank" I almost pissed myself on that one.
I played this game for like 180 hours and loved it, but this review is so accurate. I just happened to be uncannily good at the broken combat and get a lot of lucky gear drops
There was one thing that wasn't made to promise it wouldn't hurt him; mistletoe. His mother felt mistletoe, something that spreads love, was truly harmless and of no threat to her son; so she passed over it.
Loki, however, decided to make an arrow of mistletoe and shoot Balder dead, just because he could.
Odin chained Loki up in a cave with acid dripping on his head as punishment and when his "wife's" bowl fills and needs to be emptied, his screams of agony cause earthquakes.
There is one 3D person series that works very well in using the right analog stick in combat: Ape Escape.
You earned yourself a sub. This was a joy to watch.
Coming back to watch this again after watching the video on BPM: Bullets Per Minute
3:08 is my most favorite picture on zero punctuation
"Baldurs gait" ---- pure genius
@EphraimRodrigez It was also in development hell for 10 years and originally meant for the playstation, later the gamecube, before finally being made for the x360.
You just made my day, and it's not even 4 am
did anyone else notice when he was lacerating his gums on the edge of a rusty tin can he had a why so serious face?
I don't know what the reviewer was smoking when he played the game, but I was able to control the camera just fine with the RB button and judicious use of the "up" directional button. Saying melee was sluggish as you use the right-stick to melee disregards the fact that you can hold it down to slide between and smack enemies at increasingly faster rates. All you have to do is jog the stick back and forth, and you practically fly across the battle-field, if you actually time your attacks..
In some fairness to Baldur, he didn't ask for his mom to make him invincible. She just did it because he was such a beloved child, and did it poorly, which allowed the Loki mistletoe loophole. Which I actually liked the newest God of War for exploring the possible negatives of.
"... and the hammer is made of wank"
I laughed way more than i should have there...
Probably my favourite ZP review. The lines are so hilariously quotable.
I actually enjoyed Too Human. Because of it's variety of weapons and armor. Not because of it's story. Which was about as fun as playing Twister with a Lepar.
yes,and it can only come from Britain or Australia. its also an effective one.
I tried to play a demo of this game at the store way back when it was coming out. All I can remember is how terribly unintuitive and how attacking things was incredibly unsatisfactory.
Intro was done by someone else, the pics are made in Photoshop and assembled in Windows Movie Maker.