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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • Episode 1600
    How did those guys in the 1960s measure microwaves
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Komentáře • 46

  • @davematthews7686
    @davematthews7686 Před rokem +10

    We used them as part of a frequency calibration setup when we had to run tests/repairs on a Nike Herc missile test chassis. Feed a small klystron into a can with a vernier volume adjustment and measure the output. Set the can to the frequency you are looking for and adjust the size of the klystron cavity to match by watching the output of the detector on a meter. None of that digital crap for us - 45 years ago.

  • @ats89117
    @ats89117 Před rokem +2

    Very impressed that you are using the baba o'riley ring tone! Who's Next was the greatest album of all time...

  • @storskegg
    @storskegg Před rokem +5

    There was some small part of me hoping the phone ring was the AM modulation, and that the Rigol was demodulating/playing it. Pity.

    • @101blog
      @101blog Před rokem +1

      I thought the same...was thinking the RIGOL guys were cooler than I thought with that as an easter egg ;-)

    • @TonyBarr99
      @TonyBarr99 Před rokem

      Me too.

  • @RideGasGas
    @RideGasGas Před rokem +4

    These were used all over the Army satcom terminals I worked on in the 70’s. Just as you described, typically a 30 or 40 dB coupler on the output waveguide given the high power and other coupling values in other parts of the RF chain. Used to monitor output and for fault detection.

  • @davidjh7
    @davidjh7 Před rokem +1

    These are still used in the linear accelerators I work on, and similar power microwave systems, usually in the AFC circuits, or for monitoring the envelope of RF signals on a scope.

  • @ProdigalPorcupine
    @ProdigalPorcupine Před rokem +1

    Great choice of ringtone! 😎

  • @K1ZEK
    @K1ZEK Před rokem +1

    I just read the other comments (I usually do before I post, but not this time) and I see your followers are a bunch of us oldtimers😊

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Před rokem +2

      13-17 years
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      18-24 years
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      25-34 years
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      35-44 years
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      45-54 years
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      55-64 years
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      65+ years
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  • @stevecarlisle3323
    @stevecarlisle3323 Před rokem +1

    I love the RF stuff, your good at it!

  • @hoggif
    @hoggif Před rokem +2

    Old radio measurement is always nice to see. Sometimes it seems close to black magic, especially when measuring anything microwave! My first rf measurement device was like that, one made of a diode and a cap when my best-I-can-afford 10MHz (20MHz?) oscilloscope was far from what I needed.

  • @lewispedraza996
    @lewispedraza996 Před 9 měsíci

    Used this when doing radar maintenance in the navy.

  • @romancharak3675
    @romancharak3675 Před rokem +1

    Baba O'riely ring-tone? LOL

  • @Hellhound604
    @Hellhound604 Před rokem

    In the 80’s most RADARS still used a crystal diode right after the Tx/RX switch to detect the reflected signal. No fancy receiver, just the diode detector that gets fed into an amplifier and then into the range gates. The dish and waveguides formed the tuned circuit. Those diodes were very sensitive to large RF fields, so you had to take great care that in the case of another co-located RADAR on a close frequency, that the antennas could never point to each other. One transmit pulse-train would blow the detector-diode on the other system if the antennas look at each other…

  • @bioapigestures7003
    @bioapigestures7003 Před rokem

    I think those stair steps on the scope are called quantization noise.

  • @SuperRicky511
    @SuperRicky511 Před rokem

    Very interesting video, great seeing an old crystal detector from well before my time! working with microwave up and down converters for electronic warfare applications we couple the incoming RF to a SDLVA such as the ADI HMC913 die that outputs the video signal proportional to the detected RF signal (0.6-20GHz). Interesting to see the size difference on how big this crystal detector is compared to the .0509”x .0444” die dimensions of the HMC913!

  • @101blog
    @101blog Před rokem

    Got one of these old power heads forming the sensor for a new power meter based on an M5stack (ESP32 based displaymodule) ...all good stuff

  • @chongli297
    @chongli297 Před rokem +1

    I saw you tapping with that thing in another video. Is that a guitar pick? Somehow it has the right amount of capacitance to use a touchscreen? Pretty cool discovery!

  • @FitzkeeLab
    @FitzkeeLab Před rokem

    We still use these (diode detectors) for our NMR spectrometers so we don't need to have a GHz scope when troubleshooting amplifiers.

  • @98xjdriver
    @98xjdriver Před rokem

    I tore down a Polorad microwave signal generator, a real boat anchor. I still have a crystal detector from it, but I never really understood what it was used for until now.

  • @TheElectronicDilettante
    @TheElectronicDilettante Před rokem +1

    Nice ringtone!!! Wouldn’t it be awesome if you had “Baba O’Reily” as the channels intro tune. If wishing only made it true.
    Thanks for the video. You have a knack for conveying ,sometimes, dry topics in a a lively and enjoyable way.
    Keep on keepin on!

    • @ProdigalPorcupine
      @ProdigalPorcupine Před rokem

      Damn copyright nonsense prevents that, sadly. 'Won't get fooled again', would also be a great choice. The Who were amazing.

  • @nickcaruso
    @nickcaruso Před rokem +1

    it's only teeeenage waaasteland

  • @jagmarc
    @jagmarc Před rokem

    I seem to remember longtime ago something like this used as a hetrodyne detector thingy.

  • @__--JY-Moe--__
    @__--JY-Moe--__ Před rokem

    he's found crystal island!! oh joy!

  • @wiwingmargahayu6831
    @wiwingmargahayu6831 Před rokem

    solomon island radio station in the past use this kind of detector Sir

  • @K1ZEK
    @K1ZEK Před rokem

    OLD TIMERS 😮 Holly crap 🤨 You know how to make a guy feel bad 😢. THAT'S OK I ❤ your videos.😂😂😂 73 Leo

  • @jspencerg
    @jspencerg Před rokem

    How did this enable the higher frequency measurements compared to other instruments capability?

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Před rokem

      microwave diode allows rectification into a DC voltage

    • @jspencerg
      @jspencerg Před rokem

      @IMSAIGuy Thanks. So, a scope would better process a GHz pulsing dc signal than GHz ac signal?

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Před rokem

      you still don't quite understand. the output of the detector is just a voltage that is proportional to the amplitude of the GHz signal. it can follow the modulation at audio frequencies but no faster. it is the same as the demodulator in an AM radio.

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Před rokem

      www.electronics-notes.com/articles/radio/modulation/am-diode-detector-demodulator.php

    • @jspencerg
      @jspencerg Před rokem

      @IMSAIGuy "Measuring" meant frequency to me, and the example wave shown reinforced my mistake. I get that it's for amplitude measurement. Thanks for the follow-up and reference.

  • @d942yd42
    @d942yd42 Před rokem +1

    Baba O'Riley

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Před rokem +1

      for extra points:
      who was baba
      who was riley

    • @d942yd42
      @d942yd42 Před rokem

      @@IMSAIGuy Wikipedia has the answer - I did not know the story :)

  • @jagmarc
    @jagmarc Před rokem

    Are some of these crystals degraded by ESD?

    • @haroldsmith45302
      @haroldsmith45302 Před 7 měsíci

      Bottom-most label seen at 01:01 seems to suggest that.

    • @jagmarc
      @jagmarc Před 7 měsíci

      I see a generic "avoid static" label with "Max Discharge = " = _blank_ nothing there so your guess would be as good as mine. I do know interpreting this sort of thing literally it then turns into 'antistat religion' complete with antistatic equipment and all that, demonising 'static' and then blaming anything that ever goes wrong as being because hadn't connect the wrist band to ground properly....
      @@haroldsmith45302

    • @jagmarc
      @jagmarc Před 7 měsíci

      Strange. My reply disappeared so reposting.
      Yes generic "avoid static" label but says "Max Discharge = " = _blank_ so your guess would be as good as mine.
      I do know when interpret this sort of thing literally it then turns into 'antistat religion' complete with the antistatic gear and all that then if anything ever goes wrong blame it on hadn't connect the wrist band to ground properly..
      @haroldsmith45302

  • @bradbrown620
    @bradbrown620 Před rokem

    Why is it clipping on the bottom?

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Před rokem +3

      it is a diode so has a 'log' response and then when displayed on a linear scale it looks that way

    • @Edisson.
      @Edisson. Před rokem

      @@IMSAIGuy Thank you for the explanation, VF is a piece of cake for me, I thought it was a notch to the maximum.
      Nice day 🙂 Tom