Can Tiger Woods win again or is it OVER?
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In order for Tiger to win again he needs to play around 10 times a year. He can't do it playing majors only. If he got healthy enough to do that he could get a couple more. I think its highly unlikely he'll ever be healthy enough to do that.
First I think it’s entirely possible for him to win again however I think it’s more nuanced. It’s hard to play and win at the professional level when you only play 10 times a year. His body and in particular his legs are completely fried. He also needs to practice rigorously as well to perform at that level. It’s too physically demanding. He pushed himself too hard coming back from all his injuries. In my opinion, the only way he wins again, is if he finds a way to take enough time to physically restore his body. Idk if that’s even possible at this point but he can’t win when he can barely walk around the golf course
More like 15-18.
It’s not about his confidence or lack of playing enough … it’s the fact his back and leg are essentially bionic now and it’s hard to walk 18 4 days in a row
I'm a big Tiger fan, but at the moment I don't think he'd win a seniors event never mind a Major 😔
I think he would definitely compete more in the senior events because he'll be able to use a cart. The minute he does, he will dominate. Golf is between the ears and Tiger is in a class by himself when it comes to finishing tournaments.
@smw4628 I'd love to see him play the senior tour and win as many as Langar, but I don't think it's even on Tigers radar. It will probably be TGL and done.
Look at Tigers results in 23/24.. even in his own tournament (hero challenge) he came 18 out of 20, 20 shots behind the winner.. the last two masters he is +15 over par . Does Tiger still have a golf game?, absolutely, does he have the physical stamina due to injuries, unfortunately not. You cannot get more rounds or reps if after 2 rounds youre struggling with walking. I think he should still play and accept invites to tournaments but expectations as fans now should be he is there to boost viewer ratings, crowds and to see an odd glimpse of the magic which dominated golf for so long.
Tiger will be 50 in a couple of years. He'll go to the Champions Tour and do well there. Riding in a cart, three day tournaments, no cut line, shorter courses, and playing with guys he played with in his heyday. His days of dominating the PGA Tour are in the rear view mirror now.
Yep, enjoy it for what it was...he was special and you'll never be able to tell the story of golf without tiger woods...but it's done now, it happened to jack, it's happening to tiger...father time never loses
Tiger has said in the past that he would not play on the Senior Tour, as it was called back then. Of course I'm sure he has a different perspective now being much older but I don't see him playing unless sponsors and the tour convince him to do it.
A guy like that will never quit. Can’t quit. It’s his whole identity. The man doesn’t play for fun he plays to win.
He just needs to get off to a good start in a major in the first round which will lift him and make him believe in himself . The pain won’t hold him back if he gets some positive momentum going forward, he will fight through it for victory
I hope he carries on for many years to come - but purely for his own satisfaction and enjoyment! (If he's able to take satisfaction and enjoyment from playing, knowing he isn't going to be a challenger at the top of the leaderboard). He's given enough to others and to the sport, now he's earned the right to play two rounds of golf a year at Augusta in his old red t-shirt for old times' sake, he's earned the right to take it easy, to sit back and lap up the adulation that he deserves. His presence as a winner isn't important any more. His presence is enough.
Tiger needs to go to the championship tour, have a cart play competition rounds and come back for the majors.
It’s not motivating enough for him. He won’t play the Champions tour.
He’s not old enough
I love Tiger, I am 48 years old, I grew up Golf wise, with Tiger dominating. And I am his biggest fan. But I have to agree with Guy, he's done! And why wouldn't he? He has wrecked his body all over again. It's enough for me he'll be the goat no matter what!
So everyone who played worse than Tiger should hang it up too?
@@Sluggo717 What makes you think that? Maybe in 20 years there is a new goat?
Everyone is saying Tiger should hang it up because he is not winning everything he plays in. However he still beats out a lot of other players so when they all say Tiger should hang it up it should apply to all of them as well, right? I think Tiger still has another win in him and then he should look forward to the senior tour.
@@Sluggo717 Is he really? Yes he made the cut at the Masters, but in round 3 and 4 he could barly walk. at the PGA it was a desaster. He is only playing majors right now. But to win them you need different preparation. I am not saying he should no play anymore but at least he should be realistic and say that he wants to win, because right now he clearly can't. The reason why I said he should hang up is that he will never be his old self and right now he is not even an avarage tourplayer.
Only playing majors much like Jack did in his days. Why play in other tournaments, other than to get reps in, when only the majors matter
it's over
I remember having that feeling about Faldo in 1997, when he missed the cut at the Masters, after winning the year previous. He was the golfer I idolised, and to see him struggle in 97, as Tiger made history was a tough pill to swallow. We are seeing the same with Tiger now, as the likes of Scheffle dominate
Next year will be the true barometer for Tiger. This year is just for him to see IF he can play at all- and he is. Next year will be when he’s amping up to put his body thru a long season again.
Woods doesn't play enough competitive golf anywhere near often enough to contend for winning championships, and his various injuries won't let him practice or play often enough to stay sharp at an elite level.
His car crash that shattered his leg effectively put the final nail in the coffin of his playing career, although he may later experience some success against the old-timers on the senior Champions Tour if driving power carts is still allowed by then, or if he can get through walking three rounds if he chooses not to use one.
He is mostly a brand name at this point.
He's not winning any PGA Tour event right now if he's not playing competitive rounds. I'm pretty sure he doesn't actually expect himself to win any major he enters. He's in the phase Jack was in at the end of his playing career where he's just playing for himself, for the fans. Jack's best finish after 1986 was a T7, 6 and T6 at the Masters. Tiger can play majors just because he wants to, without any expectation of doing well.
I would also say to Guy's point about golf being worse when he's gone ... Tiger's impact on the game made it clear he was going to leave it in a better place because all the top guys now grew up learning from him, and the game has grown so much in the last 25 years.
And Jack was playing about 10 events a year up until 1995 to make that happen. Tiger will probably end up playing 5 events this year which is the most since 2020 when he played 7 times. That's not enough to be competitive. For comparison Tiger played in 18 events in 2018 which was crucial to his success in the following year's Masters.
That thumbnail pic...smh. As Charles Barkley would say, "Come on home, Tiger." 😂😂
I think he could win again, but only at Augusta or the open, pga and uspga no chance down to course layout/setup. It was never going to be this year in my opinion this year is a test of his body well leg. If he gets through this year and does more and more work on the leg he might well play a couple more tourneys next year and the majors and thats when we will see if hes good enough still.
Golf game is there. Mental is there. Just lack of being able to play competitive and the physical demand need to all matchup. There’s one more in there. Just everything needs to come together
From what i understand is he could win it again if he played the tour for a bit before a major because he needs some consinstent competitive play...but his body isnt up to playing consistently like that atm so as much as i would love to see him win again as hes a huge part of why i watch golf i dont think he can do it because his body wont allow him to do what he needs to do to get back to that level...and as far as i know he said if he cant win he wont turn up just to make up the numbers so i think retirement is iminent
Win or not win but should still be able to compete if he can maintain his ranking, I see some people say he should of retired after 2019 win but why, if it’s a job you enjoy it play until you can’t no more, as long as tournaments give him no special treatment or allow him to qualify without making the cut then more power to you.
Rory hasn't won a major since he was 25 years old. He's 35 now. Think about that. One of the better players in the world in the last decade yet he hasn't won a major. It isn't an easy thing to do. Can Tiger do it again? Maybe but not likely.
But Tiger isn’t even making cuts.
It is very hard for anyone to win on the PGA tour. Tiger has a very few years left. If he golfs 5 events a year, he has about 25 events before he is statistically over. So, I think it is unlikely he will win again. But look at the people he beat in the Masters for instance. Hovland, Speith, Thomas, Rose, Johnson, and Woodland. Are they over too? It is possible, although statistically unlikely.
It sounds like he is going to try and play more next season and he said it he just needs to play more. If he can get to a point where he can play more I think he can put some more wins, but if he just plays the majors even if his body gets a little better he will be too rusty to make it happen in the majors.
I have mad respect for the amount of effort Tiger is putting in to try and get back. But it’s also his own fault that his body has let him down. He’s caused a lot of these problems to himself.
I’d love nothing more than to see him back and at least contending. The people that didn’t grow up watching him win all the time must wonder how he won so much looking at him now.
I'm somewhat with Rick on this one, I think tiger's winning days are long gone but at the same time he hasn't been able to play frequently enough to really tell. Golf is an absolute mad game, I'd say it's near impossible then again It seemed impossible in 2019 as well. All in all golf is in a better place when he's playing I'll enjoy the ride no matter how it goes
Tiger’s run at the top of golf was magnificent. He completely dominated golf from 1997 to 2009. Even after the back surgeries and personal issues he managed to get three more wins.
But that’s where it stops in my opinion. His legs are completely ruined. He’s also playing less than 10 events per year. To be in with a chance at winning you have to be playing regularly and keeping fit. The guys at the top now are leagues apart from where he is.
He still sits alone with Jack at the top though 🐐🐐
Well, I agree with all these post say’n it's over! But damn if anyone can it'll be him. Gotta love him
It was rainy as fuck and cold in the last few Majors that he didn't make the cut in.
His body won't be feeling great in those conditions compared to the young guns where rain is just a nuisance.
If we get to see clear warmer weather Majors, I have no doubt he will do heaps better and contend, we see he had the length and the shots.
He has no chance and the reason is these guys are 15-20 years younger with complete golf games and it's his fault because he inspired every single one of them.
Talent wise he can win. Physically I don't think he can go any more. His leg is giving him constant pain and that has to figure into the equation.
If Tiger can play the senior tour for 2 weeks to tune up before the masters or pga, he’ll always have a chance. He strikes the ball incredibly well and he still drives it well within tour avgs. It’s about time getting the short game dialed in for competitive golf and playing a couple practice and scouting rounds isn’t enough. Tiger Woods doesn’t bogey a par 5. This Tiger who doesn’t have the physical ability to walk a golf course every week for a month straight, does bogey par 5s. Just a matter of getting the right training in.
I like to look at this from another angle. Imagine you are Tiger. How do you decide when to hang it up? Obviously I am not him and not in his body to feel physically how well or bad he truly feels, but I think mental wise I would not be ready to retire if I was him. I'd give myself until 50 years old. He's 48 now so basically 2 more seasons. Make that last season your farewell tour and walk away. But I believe if he keeps healthy, he will improve. I don't know if a win is there, but he can compete with more reps
Tigers short game is still scary
From what Ihave seen, I think the opposite. Misses a lot more putts than he used to. I've actually been more impressed with his baby fade off tee and see it as his biggest positive. He still gets it out there and seems to hit more fairways now. I think his short game is the biggest weakness compared to his old self.
I think it’s not right to say give up, if it was any pro, they would play as long as possible, not even for the winning but cause they love it 🤷🏻♂️ probably also to see how well they hold up.
I would prefer if tiger would just retire now. The attention he gets at majors is way out of proportion to his abilities, and he is taking attention away from the current up and coming stars. I'm tired of hearing about his injuries. He brought them on himself with his gym and military obsessions, and crashing a car doped out of his mind didn't help either.
If he continues to only play a couple times a year he won’t. He has to play more and get in shape because he’s clearly out of shape. But I believe if he took it seriously again he can win. If he doesn’t take it serious he won’t win
I wrote him off in 2018, never thought he'd win again. Then he came back and won the Masters. BUT! This time, his body is broken, its not the same. That crash at the Genesis did him in. I don't think he comes back from this.
Love Tiger he’s my goat! If he steps back I would completely respect it! I will always enjoy what he did for golf! I really want Fowler to get back in the winners circle
I don’t think he can win, but do we need him to win? If Tiger can put a good tournament together and reach the top 10 is that enough?
I think he is still good for golf, but only if he isn’t missing cuts.
Tiger will be the first to bow out if he thinks he can’t win..or is his natural talent and self belief now turned into dilution?
Only time will tell….
Nicklaus was 46 and in good shape when he won his last major. Tiger is 48 and his body is beat to heck. His only hope of any semblance of victory would be on the Senior PGA. And that's another 2 years away. It takes reps to win and his body can't withstand those. Pride is always the enemy.
He might be able to win a tournament that turned into a chess match where distance is not a factor. A firm and fast British open might be a chance
I don’t think he’ll win another, but I do think he’ll get into contention in one more major. I just don’t believe he can put 4 good enough rounds together to win anymore. But, he’s got one more unbelievable moment left in him.
Tiger is forever a legend. Everything he does now is gravy. Im ready for when Charlie becomes an adult.
I don't recall Bear Nicklaus or Shark Norman or Walrus Stadler ever going on a trophy. so by using T Woods the powers that be have cheapened and demeaned every single trophy that it has ever been applied to. Shame on everyone involved.
The guy is limping way too much after about 24 holes that it's impossible for him to keep going till he can get that ancle freely at forward angle carrying his weight ... I've been dealing with ancle injury for years and now finally figured out exactly what's off and why i can't balance my swing ... so i KNOW he can do it too ....
He CAN win, but he wont unless he can practice and play...2019 when he was playing great, he was doing the right things...he simply cant handle it now
I think it’s over for him, he’s never going to do a Ben Hogan and come back after a horrific car crash and with todays players it’s too competitive for him and e doesn’t play enough golf anymore. He’s still the best player I’ve seen in my era of golf for sure and I thank him for what he has done for the game of golf in the last 25+ years.
I want to believe he can if he plays Competitively. His practice rounds sound like he’s flushing it and shooting low, but come game time he’s not got the reps.
Many people are under the impression that Tiger is still healing, and that once his leg has totally healed he'll be more competitive. But it's been over two years since his accident and that leg is as good as it's going to get. Meanwhile he has back issues and the other effects of aging to deal with. You have to walk about 30 miles in a week when playing a tournament, and walking on that leg is painful. That's why Tiger's scores tend to be near or under par in the first two rounds and then +3 or higher in the subsequent rounds. Tiger Woods is impaired. It's a permanent condition. The chances of him winning another tournament are slim to none, especially a major.
He needs to play more events to get into tour shape. If he just plays the majors He won’t do much except the occasional good round
I'm worried about him. If he can control his medication I think he can come back in a few years but I think that's another battle he has to win that people aren't talking about. He looks like/is behaving like he's overdoing opioids again.
He can definitely still play to a very high level. But he can't play enough golf to compete and get that tournament sharpness. It's impossible to just turn up to Majors and expect to win or even make the cut. Not even Tiger can do that.
The bad results and watching him struggle walking is tough. I don’t think he has it in him anymore. The field is too strong now.
I’m afraid it is. He’s the reason I and many people play this great game but his body just can’t let him perform
Want to see Faldo come back make the cut! 😀
You have to consider 1 more injury and he will surely be done, especially if he is not getting top 10 finishes before another injury :(
The correct question is - what can he do better than the current top players??? The only we he can win another major is to outplay the current top players. Do you see that happening? That's your answer.
At the end of the day its Tiger Woods we are talking about here.. Just having the chance to watch him play again is a blessing in itself, whether he plays well or bad it dont matter, its Tiger Woods...
TBH, I actually forgot he was even playing at the weekend.
He’s more than earned the right to play but he’s just not the draw he once was.
Imagine how big it would be if he somehow got himself in contention going into Sunday at the us open or the open
He's only playing majors and not even all of them. He's just trying to beat Jack's record. If he had already beaten that record, he'd have retired a long time ago. He's made 1 cut in the past 5 majors that he's played in and the cut he made, he came in dead last in the final score.
He's not trying to beat Jack's record. Despite his drive you don't think he knows he can't compete with the best right now, in his condition?
I think he could pull off another Masters win.
I love Tiger. But it’s over. I don’t see him even sniffing winning a PGA Tour event (where all the main guys play) ever again. Really hope I’m wrong bc I’d love to see it.
I have the opposite view when tiger misses the cut I enjoy it means I can actually watch golf and not every shot of tiger
Tiger just need to shave it all off
Let’s let this subject go, it’s over. I am
Not even convinced he will win on the senior tour.
He would have a hard time with fat Perez at this point.
No amount of reps will help at this point.
When you sell your sole you have to eventually pay it back.
When Tiger and Nike parted ways, that was it. Now Tiger trying to live through Charlie.
Sorry Charlie is going to be a nice player in school. Most likely that’s as far as he will go.,
Well, in 2018, lots of people said he wouldn't. Then 2019 happened.
Chances are definitely getting lower but he's not playing enough to keep himself sharp enough. That's his issue. Time is against him and his playtime needs to be higher, but his body is pushing back.
That was 5 years ago though, he's done.
It’s over , he will win on the senior tour. Ron but he can’t ply enough now to compete. That wreck sucks because he was back FR.
I don’t think Tigers body will allow him to win. I hate to say it but Tiger has other issues as well that I think seriously affect his golf. For example, he’s been in rehab for drug abuse before his auto accident. With as much pain as he has to be in after the accident, I have serious doubts that he has actually kicked the habit. If he’s still hooked, I believe over time that addiction will continue to influence his personality and his priorities in a negative way.
He's done. Wait for the senior tour!
You can’t dispute what tiger has done and done for golf. However I think the issue with him playing and playing the golf he is at the moment is the media coverage he gets. He gets coverage as if he’s in contention every time. that’s where I think it’s getting frustrating watching golf. He could still win. However give him the coverage his place in the tournament is dictating.
Have to agree with Guy on this I just don’t care either play the tour or step away and give a young lad a chance to make it
Everytime he goes out there its painful to watch. That's not Tiger out there. It's a shell of what he once was and its sad.
That’s like saying everyone who did worse than Tiger has no future.
I really want to say he can’t but you can’t count tiger out
Tiger's key issue is walking for 4 rounds of golf. He does not need to win, just to perform well overall and be competitive.
I feel like he will win another major. BUT he needs to change his game, he's gotta take out some of the shots in his bag, and he's gotta play probably more forgiving clubs. L ook at scotty, he changed up his putter and it worked for him. I think tiger just needs to accept he's older and with a change he's going to win another one.
He's never out. Go Tiger,,
I will never give up the hope, but to be honest, I dont think its going to happen
he plays a few events a year and flirts with the cut every time. he can still win if he gets healthy and competes regularly. needs 3 events over 5 weeks kind of routine.
If injuries did not exist. Tiger would still be top 10. But life's life and we can't change such stuff.
If he didn't have his 2021 car accident, he would've won again by now. After, no chance. He doesn't have the physical stamina for 4 days, and his mental stamina can no longer overcome his physical shortcomings.
Guy you speak blasphemy. Hahahh. I like you both love Tiger Woods. I am on the fence on this one. I think he might have one more in him but at the same time I am tired of seeing him not make the cut or come in last place. I guess time will tell how he will finish his amazing career. Love the podcast.
The real sign that Tiger is done is if he can’t beat Rick in the 10-shot challenge. Literally everyone with their name on their bag has done so! 😂
His health is the answer to this question.
Woods looks like he's in so much pain, when he's in the second round, trying to make the cut... (and exaggerates this when he's playing so badly). He sweats like a pig on the golf course now, whist others are barely breathing heavily... and he's just relying on muscle memory to get him through. He's done.
Maybe do what old footballers do... go into coaching (can he do for Charlie what Earl did for him?), management, or how about TV punditry?
If he wants it enough he will do what he needs to do to win again. He may have other things that are more important in his life
Unfortunately, I think the best you could hope for would be a top 25 finish. He just isn’t the same, not even close to his 2018-19 self. Guys on tour are just better than he is and younger.
Rick is trying to be polite. It’s over though Rick.
He was hitting a 30 yard cut at the PGA at 170 ball speed, thats too much distance to be giving up to a Shauffele for example who's mid 180's all day long. Your 40 yards behind off the tee. Id like to see him bow out at the masters, he wont just make up the numbers. But because of the firm and fast conditions i still wont rule him out of the British just yet.
He will ride a cart in Sr Tour and dominate for a few years …..regular tour he will be lucky to make a cut…..amazing Taylor Made even pays him to be a sponsor …Nike was smart to but the cord…maybe he can win one of his Simulated Golf league events…
Absolutely finished
Will struggle to make the cut in any tournament
Can’t even walk properly
His right leg won’t let him do it… the more he walks and flexes the right ankle the more he aggravates it and causes him less and less stability when he tries to swing a club
Everyone in this comment section so sure he's done?? I doubt you'd say Viktor Hovland, Tony Finau, Tommy Fleetwood, Ricky Fowler, Max Homa, Patrick Cantlay, Will Zalatoris can't compete. None of them have a SINGLE major. And the list of great golfers with only one major is extremely long, but they can't compete? Tiger has 15 of them. The guy could put a good Major tournament together and win it, he certainly knows how mentally. He's far from "done." Majors are difficult so odds are not great for any golfer including Tiger, but "done" or should have retired is plain dumb. I think everyone saying that is spoiled from the days of Tiger always being right near the top in everything he played. That's not normal. Missing cuts and not contending every Major is normal, then you have a great week and win one.
Valid point. Others that miss cuts go unnoticed often.
@@chrisshak5216 Exactly. Tiger set the bar for himself historically high. Saying he's done is comparing him to his prime, not to the field.
I would rather see him retire, than struggle the way he has been!
The fact he still goes by the name Tiger is embarrassing. He's about 50.
Golf is all about the Majors and CZcams now. The mainstream channels are waiting for Tiger's son to arrive to the PGA Tour so they can continue the saga, i disagree when Guy says there are more characters or sub plots to follow, watching Morikawa and Schauffele was like watching paint dry. If i was Tiger i would enter one of the lesser tour events, just to get the chance to be competitive again.
Hardest thing to do as you get older is put 4 good rounds together. That's why it's harder to win as you get older. Plain and simple. He's old now and it's ok. Stop begging for Tiger to be 2000 Tiger and appreciate what is there now.
if he could ride a cart and not have to walk....strong chance.....he has to walk four rounds to win though so yeah its over at this point
I agree with Guy, I didn’t even realise that he was in the PGA - he doesn’t play enough golf to get match fit and his body can’t take that much golf ……
Don’t tell lies. Of course you realised he was in it. Unless you watched absolutely zero coverage.
Haven't got Sky and only saw it reported after his first round .....@@tehhuddleboard7515
@@tehhuddleboard7515interesting challenge - I don’t have Sky so didn’t watch it and only picked up that he was playing in the next day’s paper ……
It's a real shame because it looked like he was going to be the GOAT, but he fell short due to all of his self-inflicted injuries.