Ancient Stark secrets and the end of Game of Thrones
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- čas přidán 18. 04. 2024
- What are the ancient secrets of House Stark and Winterfell? What happened at the Nightfort, with the Night’s King? Do the Starks have the blood of white walkers? How will Game of Thrones Season 8 end? Will Jon Snow become a white walker?
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0:00 Stark
0:55 Winterfell
2:46 Nightfort
4:24 Pact
6:29 Blood
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11:04 Promised
How do you think Game of Thrones will end? Will Jon Snow become a white walker? Will Daenerys sit the Throne? Will Alt Shift X reach 1M subscribers???
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Alt Shift X everyone dead. No. No. YESSSS.
dunno. dunno.dunno. of course he will!
No more monarchy.
Possibly?
Nope.
Hopefully.
With a Lukewarm ending.
No.
No.
Definitely.
11:16 "Surely the story won't end with a sword fight", ... not even that
lmao
My thoughts exactly 😂
TV shows fuck up epic novels.
@@atherkhan646 Nah, it brakes the expectations in awesome way
Paulius The Mad what awesome way are you talking about? 8 seasons of build up to end it all in a predictable death
Show runners should have consulted you for the last two seasons.
This Stark/First Men backstory of thousands of years ago would make an incredibly epic new TV series. From the Children of the Forest and First Men being at war, to them creating the walkers to kill man, and ending with the Starks hiding the child that should have been given to the walkers, essentially the start of ending the treaty and beginning the Stark's incredible story to come a thousand years later to where we are today. There's two entire wars, bloodlines crossing, a peace treaty involving an insane marriage, the wall being built, and breaking of that treaty in the timeline. I mean there's a shit ton of story there that needs to be on screen.
@@BeezyBates Brandon the Builder as main character?
@Magare Govedo they only pulled from the books until they ran out of book material, then they started pulling things out of their asses
Or they could have listened to GRRM, but they knew better how it should end.
@Magare Govedo bases a series off of a book series and you say they didn't have permission to go into the books that much, stop talking shit lol.
Samwell: Jon. I've read something from the Citadel about ancient stark heritage. You're not going to believe this but the starks supposedly decend from white-wal...
Jon: I DON'T WANT IT!
Samwell: What? No im talking about an ancient dark secret in your family's
Jon: *SHE IS MY QUEEN!*
lol
Sam: You know nothing, Jon Snow
MUH QUEEN
Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know this is super late and everything, but "Winter is coming" as a threat instead of a cautionary tale slaps so hard. These cold ass ice barbarians show up and wreck your house and entire family tree, and then tell everyone about it like they're a force of nature.
I love that theory
I guess that, in the books, the Stark children (especially post-resurrection Jon, Arya and Rickon) will take this villanous path after they return to Winterfell during TWOW!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je the Starks left standing are those said winds
@@PedroLucas-mg5je cuz winds usually always represent change and winter is an obvious homage to the starks and the night king
Just how arya said "Winter came for House Frey"
Yea or Arya could teleport behind the Night King and stab him lmao.
Agamertagk The Waif killed Arya then teleported to kill the Night King. Thanks for watching for the last 10yrs. Oh yeah almost forgot...Lmao.
@@agamertagk544 wrights standing in a full circle around bran thousands of eyes everywhere and nk brought his crew aswell. she basically pulled some naruto anime ninja move there yea m8 she sure did learn a lot in those few months in bravos where she got beat up with and ordinary stick for the most part lol.
@@agamertagk544 1: she didn't even complete her training and only has a few months of experience since quitting, quite far from being a master assassin. 2: She's not sneaking up on 'someone', she's sneaking up on the night king who's been shown to be extremely perceptive and can detect humans miles away. 3: The night king was surrounded by thousands of wights and 8 (or 10?) white walkers who seemingly didn't notice her walking several meters between them and the night king...
@@agamertagk544 No, it's just dumb that the director decided she would come out of nowhere for a cheap surprise. Showing a plausible way in which she could maneuver through an army of the undead and insert herself right behind/above its leader would be cool, "trust us she's a super good assassin!" is retarded. Even more retarded than deflating all the mystery, symbolism, and history behind the white walkers in the first place. God, I hope the books end differently.
Jacob G i think she became “no one” as they all say. Like she literally just stopped existing and thats when she ran past dude when it showed his hair move slightly. Really really far reach here but its all i can think of
12:20 "And Jon will have to choose... between banging his aunt and becoming a popsicle king." My god, you've earned the hell out of a sub, my good man.
i will bang my aunt. thank you.
Yeah....me too. I started cracking up
By far the best line of the whole video!
@@ShuasiBjorlen GEORGE R.R. MARTIN SHOULD BE SMACKED IN HIS EYE FOR SEASON 7 AND 8
@@ericstevens2586 you absolute mongrel,it wasnt george who wrote them.everything after season 5 is the work of david benioff and D.B weiss,george had nothing to do with it.In fact,the books are going to be far different and far more exciting that the piece of shit this show ended up being,hopefully.
“There must always be a stark in winterfell”.
Ramsay Bolton:*Removes Starks from winterfell*
White Walkers:”Alright boys, break it down”.
now I kind of want a chronological breakdown between the stealing of those old iron swords, the sack of winterfell, and the battle at the fist of the first men
Ups......
Yer that could pose a problem...,,,,...
Good Comment 10 out of 10
Sansa was there. lol
@@iwant2haveu In books, no.
The fact that Arya used "winter is coming" as a threat when talking to House Frey. "Tell them winter came for house Frey"
So did Robb when he told that Lannister scout "Tell Lord Tywin that winter is coming for him. 20.000 northeners marching south to see if he really does shit gold"
Goddamn the Starks are cold (pun intended
Wow G.R.R.M really filled these books with so much depth and backstory. I really can’t believe they managed to make the shows ending so simple.
I honestly think that is part of the reason George hasnt finished the books. He has put in soo mich good stuff that there is no perfect ending
I tend to think it was production fatigue. ‘Dude guys we just can’t keep this going- we need a neat ending fast’
@@heidikindon5182 It's not production fatigue. They signed a contract with Disney for Star Wars movies, so they jumped ship and left the show to be burned to the ground.
@@DarkAngelEU much like the Targaryens in Alt Shift X’s theory video about the Doom of Valyria. In that theory, the Targaryens sold out the rest of Valyria to ensure they’d be the most powerful people alive and allowing them to conquer whatever they wanted.
But now we know that by misinterpreting a dream of a song of ice and fire the Targaryen family ended in ruin.
If by simple you mean, shit spewingly bad
This video now seems an ancient relic from an age of foolish hopefulness. The things we imagined, the mysteries we pondered... I wish I could go hack to that innocence, when we looked to forward to the final season and what answers it would bring. I wish I never found out what a cruel joke it would turn out to be.
Cruel indeed, so many pieces of a bigger puzzle, the WW were born before men so so much must have changed for them only being capable of killing humanity after many many winters.
Read the books
Imon this 😩
I still have hope that they are just trolling the fuck out of us tho :-/
these super indepth theories were never relevant to the show, only the books since george has actually laid the groundwork for them to happen
THE PEOPLE'S SHIELD : thank you
"Surely the story won't end with a sword fight"
D&D: I'm About to End This Man's Whole Career
*You are a saucy boy!*
*What, you egg?*
_He stabs him_
Didn’t even get a sword fight
Stil hurts
Well in their case end their own carreers.
"There must always be a Stark in Winterfell"
Perhaps Stark kings/wardens know something no one else does. A secret passed from ruler to ruler. Ned's father Rickard knew it, and he passed the secret to his heir Brandon. But they both died and no one passed the secret to the next ruler, Ned. Perhaps that is why the WHite Walkers are coming back. Winter didn't come as long as the Starks upheld their part of the deal in whatever agreement they had. But since Ned did not know about this agreement, the WWs came.
Oh shit! 😳
now this got me
Neat idea
No, because there have been plenty of times a father was unable to pass it down, and the Bolton’s sacked Winterfell numerous times, not to mention the starks have been shit on many other times.
@@emprahsfinest7092 could be, though one does not need to be a warden to carry out the agreement. If it's about let's say sacrificing people, think of Craster, he was no warden yet he was able to have a pact with the WWs
in any case, it's just an idea. who knows
If only you wrote the third episode
If only he wrote all the episodes past the books
I
LOVED
EP
3!
EVERY PART, ESPECIALLY ARYA KILLING NK.
Book and show are separate entities... maybe get over it?
@@Irishprice1 people aren't mad that the books and show deviate from one another, they're mad that the writing has gone to complete shit and Season 8 has disregarded nearly a decade of setup for cheap TLJ subversion.
@@booze1996 for real the show is just a fanfic with a huge budget at this point.
@@Irishprice1 Sure, it wasn't disappointing in any way..
These theories are so good that I am now afraid that the original ending may disappoint me.
Update: it sure did. I hate d&d
Im dissapointed that i believe we will only get an ending written by Benioff and Weiss...
It will.
It has
@@alohasnackbar5619 yep, the new line is weaker than these theories. Great stuff this video, it sounds very intricate and complex, kind of like got was. I think I am going to buy the bloody books and read them
@@eduardgocan8629 I wouldnt buy them not yet atleast. You are setting yourself up for major disappointment if he doesnt finish.
Remember when we thought the White Walkers were actually an interesting, promising part of the story?
I mean, they are... Just not in the show 😆
Like the Martells, The Golden Company, Jon Snow's story, the list goes o, sadly
it was, until the actual fight in winterfell
Yeah :d then the producers came and said nope they will die in a one simple battle
I honestly think that I would have liked better the version with Jon as the new Night King rather than what we actually got.
Would have been a cool dark twist.
Yes..kinda like William Turner had to become captain of the flying Dutchman after Davy Jones' demise
Samwell as Hand to Night King? 😉
Jon Snow - the King in the North…the TRUE North, nay, the TRUEST North.
@@longlethanh7780 you mean Canada ?
I'm so sorry dude.
*we sort of forgot about Alt Shift X's amazing theories and show suggestions* -D&D*
@@xtzyshuadog We sort of forgot about ASX, fans, theories, books, lore, our own show and decided to subvert expa-oooooh is that a light sabre-pretty-we can have them in our show-we already have them. We didn't forget about M U N N E Y though. - D&D - (Fixed that for you)
@@IlSqueak well, they also forgot about poor uncle Martin, who, y'know, is the all reason the show exists?
@Tyreal567 *laughs in 72 year old over weight author*
@Tyreal567 that old shi* is going to die! Hope for something else
That ending was so profound... then ¨choose between banging his aunt or becoming a popiscle king¨.
Wien71 When the Shwift shines through!
Best summary to a theory, ever. I busted out laughing at that line.
What if Jon snow isn't targaryen after all or daenerys..
Bang Aunt Danny > WW King
Wien71 RIGHT?!!! Lol
Can we all just pretend this is what actually happens instead of the mess of season 8 episode 3? 😂😭😭
yeah its a great theory but 4 the books..the series never metioned any of this..half the things never happend..why would any of the starks be related to an ice demon in the end when nothing of short was implied??i believe everyone is disappointed because they confused the books with series..
i myself am ok with ending i expected it when i heard that the season 8 was only six episodes..not even 20 would be enough with all these plots and sub plots
@@c.t.7450 yep. Books are such better.
@@c.t.7450 I also liked the ending
Rachael, why are you crying? This vid has the original ending, the other was just a bad dream.
Yes! When I read the first book I was thinking all the time: "When will the Starks show their true colours? They can't be just good like Ned."
Hmm, Brandon the Breaker..
Could it be because he broke ''the agreement''?
The agreement between men and white walkers that required human sacrifices to the walkers?
If there ever was an agreement, then the Night King was just following it, Brandon the Breaker broke the agreement by killing him.
yeah and gilly's father (forgot his name) was just continuing the agreement, which is why they really didn't start advancing onto the wall until after he was killed and the sacrifices stopped.
@@arnav9192 maybe thats why lord mormont was patient with craster cause he was the last one continuing the agreement we never get to learn crasters full name maybe he is a stark also benjen stark is the first ranger of the nights watch sadly he leaves before we get to see alot of him maybe these old guys knew wats up and they all died
Maybe named breaker because he can"broke" through the "ice"of the ice queen to umm deliver some "seed" for the spring..
@@evn2787 Well , in the show, we do see that Benjen is half-dead after the Children stop the infection caused by the Walkers. Maybe that could have been how Jon would look like?
This is a really cool idea.
“Between banging his aunt and king of the popsicles” 😂😂👍
Your narrative voice also makes it 1000 times better!
Jajaja i spilled my coffee when i heard popsicle king
😂
Tebby Yohannes i chocked 😂
Alt Shift! Brilliant timing and delivery indeed, but I damn near did a spit-take on my laptop, thankyouverymuch!
Ok I know that GRRM doesn't "owe" us a book. I know he works hard. But, this video is an example of a negative side effect of taking too much time. This video is brilliant. There are more videos like it where theories are discussed which are also brilliant. So GRRM is basically risking having a super underwhelming ending to his books the more time goes on because we are actively thinking of everything and how it could all pan out. The actual ending to ASOIAF has probably already been completely guessed at this point
Winds of Winter currently has a higher word count than the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, which also took 11 years to write
„Surely it won‘t just end with a sword fight.“ Bro a sword fight would have been far better than what we got😂
I was so pissed we didn't get a damn swordfight. I was damn well expecting Jon and NK to have the duel of the ages, Obi Wan vs Anakin style. But no. Deus ex Machinima.
Alt Shift X is always my go-to for everything GoT.
Poppa God.
Hey Jesus, big respects, but what if I am also a fan of satan and have asked him for a good life in return for my soul, do you have a better offer?
Well i must admit Jesus he is good at explaining and the theory was quite amazing...not trying to convert you or anything but there is a channel named Talking thrones, you could check that out too
Hey Jesus!
how you doing Big J
Winterfell is actually the german word for fur which animals develop when the weather becomes colder so they don´t freeze.
So winter is winter and fell is fur is german.
So from a german perspective, winterfell could be translated to protection against the cold
Or in English that winter(snow) fell. It's quite literal with their motto
@@drowningin : In English it is also a high moorland (Scarfell Pike) or something of great evil or ferocity - a fell beast.
Stark also means strong. Do you think Rickon is strong?
Winterfell.....i'm german how did i never notice that 🤦🏻♂️
@@menschderguckt potentially yes, he did not become it in the show but who knows about the books
My personal theory is that Jon being born a half-Targaryen violated a sort of ancient treaty between the Others and the First Men, seen almost like violating the Geneva Convention when you build WMDs all of a sudden. Having access to dragons is pretty threatening to them, and it would also make sense if the Mad Queen storyline still takes place: true peace with the Others can only be achieved if they don't feel under threat by dragons, and Daenerys isn't likely to give up her dragons, so the only way may be to sacrifice her and the dragons.
The theory in which Starks and White Walkers made peace is very interesting. It could be that they agreed for peace for 8000 years and now that time has run out they started their invasion once again. Stark words "The winter is coming" could be taken on the day of the peace to remind all Stark descendants that not only is a winter coming-THE winter is coming. It would kind of mean that White Walkers are as honorable as they are fierce keeping their truce for 8000 years.
“It’s like poetry. It rhymes.”
George RR Martin struggling with writing the final novels - "I might have gone far in few places..."
Someone's been watching Bridge4 ;)
"Patchface is the key to all of this..."
@@jackiemortes Expect a lot of sitting and talking in the last books.
I thought that was a Prestonism
Well this video didnt age well with the episode we got yesterday lol
still this theory is something. I did not watch the 8th season yet, but from what I'm reading here in the comments, it's kind of dissapointing comparing to this theory. :-)
Na I enjoyed the ending was good, unexpected, at the end of the day it's a theory,His not the script writer or director so, Wanted more from the night king tho,but I'm bit gonna be a pissy American about it
It might seem like its the end of the NK but it might not be. if there's wight blood in the Starks who's to say there wont be another?
@waldo who know that would be the end? as far as I know, there are still 3 episodes left. Anything could happen
@waldo found the pisspot,but yea I agree should have been more of the night king but oh well
IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE, it was always a bit suspicious that in a world with SO much political takeover, the Starks managed to stay in control thousands of years. Also this white walker deal aligns with the common knowledge that "Starks never break their vows", obviously it would have been very strictly taught between generations to make sure no one broke the vows to the night king. Maybe even the "he who passes the sentence must swing the sword" is connected, where the Starks always have to make the sacrifice themselves.
If this is true, then Jon is really powerful. He has the blood of the dragon and blood of the the whitewalkers. Both of which came from the South and the North. He is truly the rightful heir of the Seven Kingdoms.
i cant get over the flat rooftops of winterfell in a snow heavy region ¦ |
Half the population would be dying of roof cave-ins.
Wtf Brandon
Maybe that's why their motto is "Winter is coming". They figured it was cheaper to just change the motto into a warning than build proper roofs.
Are they flat in the books too?
Well that’s it then. Brandon the builders spells for Winterfell are magic rooftops! XD
"Surely the story won't end with a sword fight"
I'm sad now.
you got likes thought I’d tell you
The last chapter in A Clash of Kings is Winterfell being burnt to the ground and Bran and Rickon leaving the castle.
The prologue in A Storm of Swords details the beginning of a white walker attack.
It's interesting how as soon as the last two starks leave Winterfell, the walkers attack for the first time in thousands of years
This is a cool theory, but don't we get a white walker attack in the prologue of A Game of Thrones too?
@@psychedelicgazelle1588 I don't believe it happens in the books though
@@alejandrosastoque1143 The books is what I was referring to, it definitely happens, it's the prologue. The first couple seasons were relatively faithful to the plot.
@@psychedelicgazelle1588 ah i see, thank you for clearing it up
@@psychedelicgazelle1588 we do yes, however, the battle on the fist of the first men is a much more fierce attack than the prologue in A Game of Thrones.
Maybe Winterfell isn't built just to keep walkers out, maybe its built to keep white walkers in 😱
Man you gave me chills
“Between banging his aunt and becoming a Popsicle king”
... Damn, I guess this show is pretty weird. lmao
incest was very common back then
@@kushandcars2429 I don't trust the dude who banged his sisters to give good societal commentary
@@tijmen3692 it’s a fact? 😂
@@kushandcars2429 not incest between such close relatives though.
I just want to see a pack of Ice Spiders as big as hounds.
Bridge4 did a good video on that, and concluded the "ice spiders" are actually referencing the wights.
oh that is what I am dreading MOST OF ALL lol "phobia" doesn't even begin to describe my fear of spiders. I can't even watch that old 70s animated version of "The Hobbit" when they happen across the spiders without freaking out and turning my head.
@@kevinw712 I have the exact same problem to the exact same magnitude and am also petrified that game of thrones will have ice spiders, let's just hope they use the budget for more productive things than tormenting their arachnaphobic audience. You should be more worried about the upcoming prequel though, that may be set during the original long night when old Nan stated the ice spiders lived. In all honesty, I doubt that the ice spiders will be included, we've seen many close up views of the army of the dead now and not one shows presence of them.
@zyklon b yeah, you're right, as much as I dislike spiders, those scenes would be fairly awesome and unique so to not film them yet still include spiders would be stupid. I suppose there is still a minor chance that the writers are saving them to keep battles from getting monotonous though I must admit it is unlikely.
@@kamisorani2693 yeah like I'm a massive Harry Potter fan, have seen the Chamber Of Secrets movie like ten times or more at this point, but STILL have only ever *listened* to the Aragog scene lol .. with HBP, it was the first time in a the series I'd known the book before seeing the movie so I was decently ready to avert my gaze at the funeral sequence by Hagrid's. But like I know there's a couple key pieces of fan art out there where people drew the ice spiders, when watching one of these theory videos I just try to look away fast as I can hahaa
It's worth noting that the Others are supposedly based of the Unseelie Fae of Irish folklore: winter faeries that were dangerous, dark, and beautiful to behold. The Night Queen fits the pop culture image of Queen Mab, the common ruler of the Unseelie.
While the Unseelie were considered dangerous, and were usually antagonists in stories, they're not always considered "evil", and they always kept their word and honored agreements.
That also describes the Children of the Forest, who are connected to the Others.
As long as there's a Stark in Winterfell, the dead within will stay dead. In the fifth book, they mention that the swords are disappearing from the crypt.
Yeah, those swords were taken by Bran and company before leaving winterfell to go seek the three eyed crow
Rickon and bran took them
What about benjin being dead but fighting for the living? Could it be because of white walker blood
And why bury your dead when you know that the WW raise the dead? unless the Stark blood allows them to keep control when they're risen?
@@Asiren18 This is what I believe. The leaders of White Walkers are all Starks. There's plenty of evidence pointing to the Night King being a Stark. Thanks Children of the Forest. All this shit is your fault. Your plan reaaaally worked out for ya....killed by your own greed to destroy man.
Benjin isn’t dead he was saved by the children... they did the same thing to him as they did the night king only difference is benjin was dieing so the magic couldn’t change him into a walker it just kept him alivish
@@BeezyBates The first men were in a war with the children, they had no choice or else they would go extinct.
@@johnmccaleb7658 they explained that benjen was being turned into a white walker and the children stabbed him with obsidian to stop him from turning all the way so he's basically half human half white walker which is why he is able to keep his sanity
Best Game of Thrones content creator on CZcams man! I’ve watched every one of your videos and every single one is well made high quality stuff. Keep up with the solid work!
I said it. His like nostradmus. Because alot of his theories are right or some what right.
His videos are great, but most of the theories aren't his own, but rather a compilation of ideas and predictions popular on the ice and fire community.
Well, he's good, but just average, certainly not the best. Sorry.
@@LylacBPX but he gives credit to those people thou.
@@alhena11 then who then?
I think the idea of starks having white walker blood could tie in a little with Benjen Starks current predicament. I think it’s more likey that Blood raven is the one keeping him out of the white walker collective, but I think it would be interesting if potential white walker heritage helped pave the way for this to be able to happen
"Game of Thrones won't end with a sword fight"
D&D: Oh no, it would be worse.
This story is better than episode 3
So Jon has both the blood of Walkers and Dragons?
A song of Ice and Fire...
and Daenerys was the one who turned mad lol
@@EcthelionGondolin wow, Jon is the song!
I've never thought about it much until now, but now I think on it, Jon has never seemed bothered by the cold. I could be wrong, but in none of his chapters or on the show as far as I can remember do we hear him complaining about being cold. I wonder if Starks do have some resistance to it, like the Targaryen's have an affinity with fire.
Starks have a +50 Frost Resist as their racial bonus.
I'm re-reading GOT now and Jon hates the Wall at first. He was romanticizing it before he saw it, but the cold bothers him just as it bothers the others. He's not a complainer, but the book describes how he feels about the wind and the cold.
I hope this gets fully explored in Winds of Winter. He's taking his time, but an epic series deserves an epic ending and is surely the most difficult part to write.
So i am pretty sure some people already said it somewhere here but jon has many dreams about the crypt in the first book were all his ancestors reawaken and their statues watching him with eyes of ice. Arya also rembers a prank robb and jon played on her and bran were robb lured them in the crypt and told them how the dead rise again in these crypts were then jon covered in backing pulver emerges playing the ghost might be foreshadowing the ending
Also the statues told him that he didn't belong there. The Starks of the past. I believe they said because he not ready for death yet. I believe he is a Stark but the show have the wrong sibling.
With Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen genes no wonder he's so damned good with a sword!
Targaryans are also known to have truthful, prophetic dreams. If Jon is a targaryan, well then he might have seen the future
9:33 I don't know if this is any help but Martin could have been inspired by Vikings. They used to put traps and spells in the tombs of their dead to prevent them from coming back as fighting-zombies (also known as Draugar). And, if you think of it, Draugar are very similar to White Walkers! Some of them were considered to have hel-blár skin, which means "dark as death", where the "dark" wasn't really the color black, but rather blue.
"Banging his aunt or becoming the popsicle king" had me rolling
Is there a possibility that the story we’re watching is the doom of Westeros? The continent being engulfed by ice, the same way Valyria was engulfed by fire?
The doom of westeros? That's not bittersweet, that's tragic.
I like it
I believe it.... and then HBO films capitalizes on a GoT movie with the saved characters escape Westeros to essos and then live a bit longer to get an even bigger army together to finally end the long night part 2. And then spring comes and Westeros is back and they rebuild it for the next 8000 years.
A song of ice and fire
@@pseudonymousbeing987 BITTERsweet maybe. At least Danny might escape to Braavos to see the house with the red door again... it's the little things in life that count.
Isnt it crazy that the people fighting the long night will be the cripples,bastards,and broken things
Don’t forget the dwraves!
I really enjoyed the insight in this video but tbh I most enjoyed the shoutouts to other channels, patrons, and artists. I love seeing community cohesion like that. Subbed.
I'm surprised that in this video you don't talk about the fact that Jon is the product of Fire (Rhaegar) and Ice (Lyanna). You mention how the two houses are so juxtaposed and how the series is one of internal conflict but fail to wrap that all up in the perfect bow that is Jon. No doubt, I hope we can see an ending that doesn't rush to end itself as fast as the show seems to be so we can see these internal struggles played out to the max.
yes we saw so much struggles with bran and his wheelchair
He does talk about it. It's even wriiten in english over a photo of Rheagar + Lyanna Stark.
This is sounding more plausible specially after that last scene
It's so dense, every frame has so much snow
It's like poetry, it rhymes
The Sand Snakes are the key to all of this
Hey! This isn't an RLM video.
That makes so much sense why Benjen Stark was killed beyond the wall but instead of becoming a slave to the Night King he was something else
I LOVE you channel. You put so much work into these videos you deserve the success. So much more of the series makes sense watching these videos, especially toward the end of season 8 with a lot of haters complaining about how things are going, when it all really makes sense when you know more about the mythology and history, rather than just watching the show each week. Thanks
Why aren't more people exploring this angle? Why does everyone want Bran to be a time traveling Night King? Why can't they just have this super awesome ancestral connection instead?!
People dont like bloodlines. Biology is racist and hurts their soft feelings
Time travel is played out, and a total cop out. I say do away with it. I hope this latest Avengers throws everyone a curveball
@@crackshack2 That's also why there are two kinds of fans for got : the reals that get it, and some that plays the game of thrones
@Salmon A senile weapon that has broken the chains of their masters and has an agenda of their own. At this point instead of being mindless slaves of the Children of the Forest they have become a "society" of their own.
Gamer Mommy sentient. The word you're looking for is sentient lmao
Your theories really force RR Martin to remake his plotlines. So that he can overcome ours expectations.
Well now of we wished for GOT to end like this it wont happen anymorr
@@draoswaargbaal7598 He said he would never change it even if everyone would guess the end...and it wouldn't make sense if he made of it something stupid just to surprise everyone.
If you haven't realized by now, RR Martin won't be able to finish the books. Someone else will do it from his manuscripts after his death.
@Mike Forti 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you have me dying
@Mike Forti but he died
Ollenna did say that the Stark’s motto is the only one not used for boasting. Seems likely that it actually is
It would be heartbreaking if Jon will have to sacrifice himself to stop the war and embrace his whitewalker legacy, when he is the true heir of the Iron Throne. Not that Westeros actually deserves him, but still.
Tyrion (Targaryen) is the true heir to the Iron Throne.
This is what will Happen, mark my words
Not the true heir
@@danielbreedlove wouldn't make sense since they haven't set that up in the show at all. More likely the night king is the third dragon rider.
jon snow (well aegon targaryen) dying (or becoming a new night king) would solve an inherent problem in his relationship with danaerys, not only the aunt/nephew issue but also the real successor of the throne issue...
So it would be just bittersweet as it allows a kind of a happy ending. or at least an ending without loose ends
Season 8 episode 3 is probably the most dissapointing thing i have ever seen. The nightking and whitewalkers were completely wasted in the end
The season didn't end yet, so I guess we should wait to see if there is more to it. It's pretty obvious that the White Walker plot ending in this episode would be a waste, furthermore Arya shouldn't been able to kill the Night King (her assassion clip was pretty awesome though due to the build up of the scene, please give her some credit, I'm way more disappointed with Bran who should be gathering intelligence at least (crow powers) and not even that he acomplished), ending my sentence that started a few lines back: Arya shouldn't been able to, so I expect a plot twist or hope for one xD.
Scrosseh There used to be other night kings. So if there are still White walkers, it means there is something creating them. We can suppose just like the lich king that there must be a night king and that Arya is going to be a night king
Jonathan Presthusson
Spoiler for if you haven’t seen ep 3 from season 8 yet!!
I don’t think it’s finished just yet. There was a weird interaction between Bran and the Night King before the Night King tried to kill him. They were staring at each other and instead of grabbing his spear thingy, he tilted his head in a sort of confusion or recognition. I think there is more to Bran and the Night King... maybe he is the reincarnation of the Night’s king
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I don't think he tilted his head in confusion. I think he was just reaching for the sword in his back.
Alexandr Yanenko Nooooo look at it properly again. He was just staring at him when he tilted his head and then straightened his head again. Then he had a look of confusion or I don’t know and then after a few seconds he reached for his sword.
I shot coke out of my nose when you said “banging his aunt or becoming a popsicle King”. Well played Alt, well played.
Really love your channel. Everything is done well to a tee. From information, to visuals, to your narration. Everything is super engaging!
What about Benjen Stark. I feel like he makes it plausible that ancient starks were half white walkers
nah search a benjen stark vid it explains
Adam Riley we could have had a better send off for benjen, but instead D&D said they had to have a goddamn zombie polar bear take up 1/4 of that episode. The writing has become pretty shit since the source material ran out
He did say the children of the forest did something to him so he wont die...right?
I believe it was in season 7... I thought white walkers killed Benjen Stark when he came to aid the brotherhood gang??
Well, not really, since that's not how it happened. However, I do think that that's how Jon would look like.
"Its like poetry.. it rhymes..." *Georce Lucas flashbacks intensifies!!11*
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There was no Stark in Winterfell for some time after the Stark children fled and Sansa was held at Kingslanding. I wonder if that had anything to do with how close the white walkers were able to get.
i wonder about the timing of the battle at the Fist of the First Men and Bran's departure from Winterfell myself. If Bran's flight happens before the Fist, that might be a curious bit of evidence though this begs the question: are they coming because they believe their threat defeated or are they coming because an ally fell?
I love how your page keeps me intrigued even tho I've watched the series 3times already n man I must say you content is great dude
Dude, you nailed this!!! Like aspects or chunks of these theories have been know to me for nearly a decade now (I started reading the books and following theories after GoT season 1 aired) but man, it’s never been all out together so convincingly and into a narrative that feels just right for the end of this story as we go into the shows final season with the pieces as they are.
It seems like Jon has always had a connection to women associated with fire. He was in love with Ygritte, who was always defined by her red hair and fiery temperament, then had an arc where he was deeply connected with Melisandre. Now he's in love with Danny. I wonder if there's any more symbolism to that beyond Jon's icy background creating contrast with these women.
Just realised that. Nice point
I feel like that might be in part because Jon has openly attested to not liking "lady-like" women, mainly due to Catelyn's treatment of him and some sort of low-key sexism on his part. That's why I feel like him and Dany aren't going to end well. Ygritte & Melissandre had what you could consider bad endings in relation to Jon. They were both strong, independent women, and so was Dany; I figure that because he is competition to her sitting on the IT, and their conflicting goals, she will drop him out of irrational fear that he will "take what is hers". She still has the three treasons, if you remember, and she is just as paranoid about them as Cersei was. Who better to represent one of them than Jon, a possible love interest? It would be a good twist and squash any hope of a happy ending for the series, considering how most fans have waited for them to be together and seeing them become incompatible would be a GRRM esque thing to do.
@@urmominc904 its not being low-key sexist, its called having a preference
@@C4-2565 It isn't. I understand having a preference but when it comes to what he doesn't "prefer", he oft resorts to outright shaming them and acts disgusted when they're brought up.
econaur dang when did he do this? he told Ygritte how much he loved her strength, and with the Red Woman I think he just saw thru her creepy sex manipulation, and he basically told her that he was grieving for Ygritte. I think some of the reason we see what a ho Theon is, is to have a contrast to Jon. Ygritte joked with him about being inexperienced. he never seems sexist to me. is it in the books that way
I come back every now and then to your videos to fantasize alongside you and think about what could have been
0:39 "and Jon, an undead, prophetic, warrior king" this is how i want people to describe me in the future.
I’m just excited for the Stannis soldiers from their last battle and everyone from the Battle of the Bastards to all be raised as walkers. Walker Stannis will be noticeably more sociable.
"Fewer"
Lol probly will actually smile too
I thought more than half the sell swords ran away due to weather being cold. So there aren't that many dead stannis soldiers
Stannis was made of iron. The walkers apparently can't stand iron or something. ;)
Jon sacrifices himself to become the new Nights King would be bittersweet epic 😱❤️💔
“Surely it won’t end with a sword fight with the Night King.” Dude I wish it did lol
First time watching this video, but I've been thinking about the 'there must be a stark in winterfel' being a part of the spell that kept them asleep. Then lyliana ran away, lord stark, and elder rikkon were burned and ned marched to war. No starks were in the north, the spell was broken and they started to rise.
The north remembers I think also has a much deeper meaning, but they have forgotten since the targarians took over the throne. Maybe something to do with starks manning the wall, remembering the treaty, or a stark being in the north
Benjen stayed back at winterfell
Remember when Ygritte said that "Jon Snow" was an evil name when they first met? What if the Night's King's name was Jon Snow?
But the Nights King was a Stark of Winterfell, His name was most likely Brandon Stark.
@@AsurissGP Or, a bastard son like jon thought he was hence the snow and joining the nights watch. Could also be the first jon of stark? Would be some killer symmetry with one jon snow falling in love with a fair haired beauty causing destruction and the new one falling for a fair haired beauty bringing peace.
Špagin his brother’s name was Brandon Stark (Brandon the Breaker). If he were a legitimate Stark, why would other houses claim that he was one of theirs? But if he were a Snow, then there might well have been some confusion even at the time about his real identity. Here’s the thing: damnatio memoriae is actually a really hard thing to do. While the Starks would have been able to control what the other houses South of the Wall remembered: they would not have been able to control what the wildlings remembered. It’s totally plausible that the wildlings would remember the Night’s King’s real name and origin when no one else did. When Old Nan says he was a Stark, she might very well mean that he was a son of King Stark: not that he was necessarily legitimate. Also: if you are a sovereign King in a harsh land you would not let your legitimate brother take a vow to never have children. Just on the off chance someone kills off all of yours. But your bastard brother would probably choose the Wall. So yes actually: this is a totally plausible theory.
Both Ice and Fire (Stark/Targaryen) lines have strayed from what they once were. The Night King is actually Dany's equivalent, a long lost Stark taking back his rightful place in the North. That is why he comes for Brandon and not Jon. After taking vengeance on Brandon, the Night King will raise the dead in the crypt and once again rule the North. But he doesn't know Jon is the only embodiment of both houses, making him more powerful than either house line alone, since he can command dragons... Probably even the zombie dragon... To finally put the Night King down for good.
Watching a lot of these videos something I really like about Game of thrones is how much the books trust and respects the reader, giving so many characters the same name, like how there are like a million Brandon's
The videos are well-structured and easy to follow.
To be honest, it seems Martin just kept adding these lore elements because he thought they were cool, but he never thought about connecting them.
Watching this after the copout that is the ending of S8 E3
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AMAZING CONTENT!!! You make me want to actually start really getting back into these books!
I watched the series but not really a huge GOT fan, but listening to all the storylines and how the intertwine with each other is truly entertaining.
Dislikers have no idea of the hard work that goes into this. Bravo AltX👍
"There must always be a Lich King." - King Terenas Menethil ~ World of Warcraft : Wrath of the Lich King
My thought exactly! What if Jon Snow becomes... the Lich King.
"Tell them only that the Night King is dead...and that Jon Snow died with him!"
@@ChimpScape hahahaha
"When my days has come to end.. You shall be the KING"
some1 tagged me ?
Great vid. Watching your stuff to contextualize my previous book knowledge and prep for Winds. Just gonna tune out the last few seasons of that one TV show...
It is really kinda depressing how weak the last season turned out after watching detailed videos of analysis like this. There was so much cool lore and great backdrop for a great ending that could have also gone on for maybe a couple more seasons. Though while more seasons is kinda unrealistic they could have just given us an epic battle that really brought everything together and that was also at least really entertaining instead of poor visuals and an ending that made little sense. The White Walkers and the ancient secrets of the Stark's are such an epic creation and a much more complex, deeper, and interesting and epic conclusion could have came of it.
And in the final, Season 8 ep 3...huh, i'm too disapointed, too, too disapointed about the Night King
Me too. I am constantly thinking of ways to bring Night king back. Our only hope is George RR Martin. Hope he makes a better ending.
@@ARRun for me, Got it's already finished. Great battle, great episode but sadly, they wrecked all(sory for mu english, anyway)
@@iulian0_o485 Maybe they wanted us to feel dissapointed, remember the show isnt over yet. We can still be shocked and surprised
@@thomrl how time they did Jon useless, Bran as well useless, and the Nk died like this, i don't know. Don't be agree with me, that's just my dissapointment, but it's a real one
Fucking hell wait for the next episodes to answer the question why the night king dies so easily. Do you really think they would write his death being so easy without a point to it. 90% of you haters are also dumb as fuck.
Actually in the book son of Gilly was swapped with son of Mance Rayder ( king beyond the wall) to save him from Melissandre who was after royal blood.
"surely the conflict wont end with a sword fight with the white walkers"
this is a great guess and I really enjoy the way you elaborate on the bloodlines. i hope he follows some of these paths in his novels.
Nerd Soup did their episode revisit of Hardhome yesterday, and you're giving us some Season 8 prep today? This has been a great week!
Sam: Your father was not your father.
Jon: ...
Sam: Your father was a Targaryen
Jon: ...
Sam: Your mother was your aunt.
Jon: ...
Sam: Your love is your aunt too.
Jon: ...
Sam: Oh! And you will have to choose : being King of the Seven Kingdoms or being the new Night's King... King in the (far) North, if you prefer.
Jon: Give me a break bro !
King in the Far North xD
Lol.
True that.. LoL
This is FREAKING AMAZING
These are better than canon. I shall adopt them as my own understanding. Well done.
Then episode 3 came out 😑
I liked this theory, but the writers have different plans 🤧
The writers have no plan imo, just rush to the end, based off some loosely connected dot points given to them on crumpled paper from GRRM.
The white walkers have history and secrets to them?!
That’s so interesting and compelling...
Too bad that in the show it means nothing cause they are one dimensional bad guys... and dead
I remember in the first seasons they weren’t like this, they had depth to them
When Sam Tarly first saw the army of the dead and white walker on his dead horse look down on Tarly while he cried out of fear, the white walker just spares him...
Why?
Wait why I’m even asking an interesting question, it’s all meaningless now in this rushed off season...
I guess I should read the books and live another ten years to read the last of them...
it sucked so badly.
@@h.palternativeproduction3514 Not only that. The whole Bran story line is now just about the "who were Jon's parents" mystery.
I thought his ark would have something to do with the white walkers and how to defeat them. And he had a vision about the NK's creation and his mark was somewhat important to the plot. But other than that, he didn't really reveal a lot on how to defeat the WW, nor did he give a backstory, or even get involved in the fight. He just flew some ravens around, got a bunch of people killed by being placed in the middle of Winterfell, making the army of the dead kill everyone in their way. And in the end he had to be saved by his sister, who was luckily trained by some assassins. Bran of course had nothing to do with Arya going to Bravos, or coming back, but without her, they would apparently be toast, since Bran had no plan to actually defeat the NK.
Oh and remember when he traveled back in time and changed the past? He just decided to not use that really powerful ability. Why? Maybe the show will tell us why, but I really doubt it.
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Yeah like he did with hodor!
Song of ice and fire past is so cool and interesting, I don’t understand why they didn’t expand upon that if being cool is all what theyre about...
But instead we got bad, out of touch nonsense of an ending to the night king.
The night king wasn’t the first white walker!
What the hack?!
Here’s another ideas they didn’t expand upon just because they are uncrative:
Someone going to ashy, neuron actually being terrifying, water dragon..
And if it’s too reticules then can you guys stick to the chest realistic style storytelling we all loved?!