DIALED S2-EP19: Suspension bottoming out? Volume spacers might be your solution | FOX
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2020
- Jordi explains the basic function of volume spacers, and walks through how to know when to add or remove volume spacers from your fork or shock.
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Dialed S2E19 | Suspension Bottoming Out? Volume spacers might be your solution. - Sport
I never touch the dials/spacers and strictly control my bike's handling habits through my diet. Not enough sag? Time for chocolate cheesecake!
Nice
Already rocking a prototype shock there jordi?
And assegai front too? 29er exo maxgripp doesnt exist yet un the maxxis webpage
Yes! so looking forward to these so I can send people to these videos. Feel like I'm explaining the same thing over and over to people lol. Keep up the killer videos gents absolutely loving them and fine tuning my learning along the way. Got some of my shop bros dialed in with the lever angle arm pump video and we are loving the results, this type of content is what people need! Thanks for everything!!!
Nice to costumize 👌...always learn with Jordy🚲 tips👍
Thanks guys for another entrtaiment programme!!✨
let's gooo! god i love the intro music! 😁🤙
I bet Jordy's bike had that new float x on it and that's why he had the shirt on it because they weren't ready to reveal it yet! Thanks for the great help to everyone involved I have been setting up a new factory 38 and float x2 and these videos have help a lot with the tuning!
Love the videos. Top level practical technical advise. In trying circumstances they are excellent productions
My question is why not leave Jordies camera on instead of cutting to a camera shot of a screen shot of Jordie. It is so much better for viewer's if we see Jordie up close instead of a secound hand shot? If you stay with Jordies camera we can see detail better also do not loose audio quality as with a shot of a screen.
Keep up the great work.
Fantastic tutorial. Thank you!
Good info! Thank you!
Could you do a session where we see how to get the most pop while still have fork/shock feel plush, please. Been doing the „full circle thing“, lower pressure, add spacers etc. I know it depends on the bike as well. I am a fairly heavy rider and can’t seem to find the plush + pop sweet spot. Thanks and awesome sessions.
“And you just kinda walk it out.”
*o ring flys off and disappears into the lawn*
Nice, although imho - a bit too basic... granted, bottomout resistance is the main purpose of spacers, but i think it would be nice to touch the other implications on suspension.
- midstroke support
- small bump compliance
- rebound (can be really affected by chamber volume ratio)
- spacers vs HS/LS compression
Sorry for the criticism :)
Good point here!
I’m about to start messing with v. spacers.
Where can I fing those infos?
@@Alexandros_Patsialidis try the video series by vorsprung suspension. They go quite deep.
Very interesting, thankyou 👌
How is the overall setting of the fork influenced by adding or removing volumspacers. For Example you remove a token. Setup Sag again. Do you apply an changes to the previous rebound setting or does it stay the same as with 1 spacer?
So if your sag and pressure is good but still bottoming out you add volume spacers instead of just making compression firmer?
Hi. Jordi/Fox, do you want or need to grease any seals before putting the air can back on the X2, after adding or removing spacers? Thanks.
what still isnt clear to me , after you add a spacer or token , do you put in te same pressure as before, witch will affect the sag (it did in my case anyway...) and ignore the change in sag, OR do you set the sag the same as it was before , and ignore the change in pressure that comes with it? (witch is in my rear shoch about 12 psi less) all i find about it is very confusing.
Great stuff guys! I was wondering if you can a video on setting up suspension for heavier guys. I can never find info 250lbs+ riders.
loose weight then
Very tutorial on volume spacers, on the spacers they have different colors and CC which one should be used for?? Thanks
Great info. Now how do I know how many are in from the factory? 0?
Love these videos... they are so good... I run Rockshox revelation forks don't bottom out so never thought I needed spacers but would they make my suspension feel more linier?
Spacers would make the shock less linear, and more progressive (in general). Unless there are spacers in there already you could remove I don't think spacers are the answer. Probably either too high pressure (check your sag) or some of your compression settings are off? Idk I'm far from an expert
@@patricklachance5952 thanks dude
Does "bottom out" really mean, that the O Ring is sitting right at the Crown after a hard Impact? I'm asking because my Fox 36 has 170mm of travel but if i messure from the dust wiper to the crown it is actually 180mm.
Nice work @jordi cortes and the @fox team - great video series.
Be interested to hear thoughts on Volume Spacer Vs (the likes of) MRP Ramp Control Cartridge & the Manitou IRT...
Just another level of complexity 'most' don't need?
I certainly like the flexibility of the IRT on my Mattoc's with the 3 quite different trail centres close (riding dist.) to home...
But have never revisited the Volume Spacer I threw in the DPS shock #facepalm(?)
What if i forgot to properly pull the snap ring back or remove it completely and then slide the can / outer housing back and it jumps over the snap ring? Is that bad and an issue?
A new dpx2 shock comingo up??
Wonder if you guys can talk about upgrading dampener on a 34? The new grip2 can be installed on a 2019 Fox 34?
All that’s already on our website. We’re really looking for more tuning and fundamentals
i have the new Marzocchi z2 and its a huge diffrence from no volume spacer to just one>>
So what's the best reason to use volume spacers instead of more air performance wise? Assuming sag doesn't matter and we have two air springs with different volumes that require the same maximum force to bottom out, wouldn't the more linear spring offer more support, particularly early in the travel? Is it just rider preference?
Some people want a cushy fork that rides too deep in the travel so use low pressure with spacers. Some ride hard so run high pressure & spacers, then there are the normal folk.
I think you need to watch the video again.
Hello, if my suspension feels really good at 20% sag, but I hit the bottom should I add a token?
Hi. Can I ad 3 tokens on a Float X2 ? Currently running 2 tokens and I’m still bottoming out. Cheers
C'mon Jordi, show the new shock :D
He already has. On old episodes
What are you hiding on the rear shock jordie ;)
Does it ship with any spacers? Thanks.
So question, why not just make the air chamber smaller? Wouldn’t that accomplish the same thing as volume spacers?
That would make the shock not as versatile and adjustable for different riders.
If I am a heavier rider and at max pressure (300psi) I am hitting about 45% sag. Besides losing weight, could I add volume spacers to decrease sag at the same pressure? FloatX2 shock
Yes
I like how this guy bangs and whacks the bike lol
I cannot put volume spacers on my f120rl fox, what can I do if I want it to ramp more?
Put some oil inside the air chamber? Jordi will probably tell me off again :)
I often think that if you can tune the spring rate correctly it eliminates the need for compression damping completely. Why would you want to slow down or impede the wheels ability to move? Rebound is the only other concern.
Keep thinking that..let me know how it goes...
That fork is rad
What’s the max volume spacers you can put in the fox x2
You have to look that up on the Fox website. It depends on the size of the X2. Different eye to eye length shocks have different size air cans. Make sense?
So if the volume spacers ramp up to prevent bottoming out. What effect do volume spacers have on rebound?
They are going to push back harder right at the end of the stroke
None
jordi cortes ok so it does not ramp up the initial rebound. Correct? Being that the rebound valve is not affected by the load of the spring?
lets say got 20% sag on fork, 1 token and bottoming. Bump up pressure, click in compression or drop in another token? BTW small quiz. Who said that: "I’m running 3 tokens @ 86 psi in the fork, and a 600 lb spring on the coil. Used to run more tokens but got a look of disappointment when I told Jordi how much I ran once so I run less now lol." hahaha
If your suspension feels great and the only problem is bottoming out = add volume spacers.
If your suspension feels to soft in general = add air.
Pretty sure Jordi is a perfect voice double for Jack Black.....
Did Santa Cruz get mad at you and make you cover up the coil shock? Lmao
Ryan Harris nothing much. Only 50,000 emails asking whether they can run a coil on their tallboy.
you can't slow down enough ? brake might be your solution
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Good information but whoever thought that ipad camera view was a good idea should be fired.
6:18 Fun fact: people with no finger nails can not change volume spacers in their X2 shocks
I'm just like 0,5cm from bottoming out on drops but while breaking I use about 60% of my fork and it doesn't really absorbs anything anymore, would volume spacers help in that case?
Drop your heels
Maybe your fork is set up to progressive.
If you think the fork is diving to deep in its travel (don't confuse with „to fast“) = add air. If then to much travel is left after hard impacts = remove volumespacers additionally.
What's hiding under that shirt Jordi?
Getting flats or your suspension bottoming out?
Try adding air. Simple solution.
I run my fork full of volume spacers. No air, just volume spacers.
😂🤣
Well even a volume cant fix a crappy X2 . Riding on fox for a long time. But really the worst shock if had so far
At First i only got 1 volume spacer in my Float x2 and nearly bottom out and now i have the max. (3) in it and it is buttoming out every time after a bigger jump😤
AIR.
Hi, tks for tuis video. Sorry but my new ebike orbea wild fs h10 with factory 36 and x2, when arrived , 10/ 15 days, order marzo 2020, bike new but old factory and x2, becouse fox have new factory and new x2, sorry but this is not nice,, tks