If one of them play slightly better than the other team, they would've won since the other team actively tried to lose. Even if the referee gave black card only to the losing team, the winning team still have to face the stronger chinese team which they want to avoid in the first place
It’s also about how poorly the matches were designed. If the either team win, they will face the top seed and get eliminated, but if they lose they will face weaker team and move forward. BWF has changed the game structure afterwards.
In some basketball semi finals, you match the top team with the lowest team, 2nd highest team with second lowest team and so on. It gives the motivation to be the top team.
@@charlieextra9406 (I dont know anything abou basketball) I assume however that in basketball, the losing team does not get to play against another team though.
@paulmartin8299 you mean the opposite? In the champions league, the 1st place teams will play against the 2nd place (weaker) teams in another group. But in the badminton, the winner will be matched with another strong team
In a K.O. tournament system this is almost unavoidable. At this years Euros for example Germany would have benefitted from losing their last match, thus being only 2nd place in their group and not facing Spain so soon
@@cyzcytyes, let's just make the games 100% even and not competitive, that will draw crowds. Competition should be competitive, being scared to play a better team is part of it. Nothing needs to be changed.
@@taylorbraithwaite2084 You could try and explain your 'reasoning' to a betting syndicate who don't appreciate such an 'alternative' method, to making money...
@@aryanshah7655a secret seeding is also bad, hiding poor tournament seeding doesn't make it a good tournament. Unless you meant lottery / by chance. Match ups Must give incentive to winners not the losers.
There are no incentives, the incentives appear when you have no sportsmanship, you need to aim for the top but these teams are giving up before even trying.
You can't just make the qualifying brackets shit, so the best strategy for winning is to lose a game and then blame the athletes for intentionally losing when it is the best strategy for winning over the long-term.
@@al-frizahmakalunsenge5243they are playing it. An entire tournament. If game theory optimal is to lose now so you can win later, seems like a rules issue. You can’t blame the teams for figuring out they had a better shot at winning the whole thing by throwing one game
@@al-frizahmakalunsenge5243this isn't clash of clans. People are there to play to win. If playing poorly allows them to win, then they should play poorly.
@@al-frizahmakalunsenge5243 wtf are you talking about ? they were playing. they played poorly to give them better chances to win the tournemant. the tournement was designed really poorly
idk about the black card but the video of the players were different. it was later found that the serves kept failing because the net was higher than it was supposed to be not because they want to face weaker opponents.
To be fair, I have only seen the black card used 3 times. 1 time when team members fought, and 2 times in the London Olympics. the London Olympics happened because of bad planning by the organisers. The fighting one was wild.
Right. The matches should’ve been played simultaneously to avoid situations where players can gain advantages by losing. Years ago. The final games of group stage (sorry forgot teams and year) of UEFA Championship League were played at different times. Both teams advance on draws of 1:1 or higher. The betting line on exactly score 1:1 went all the way to 1.75 to 1 (typically 5-7 to 1). Teams went about pretending to play for 20 minutes. It was 1-1 by then and the rest of the game had no pressure, no shots and both advanced after passing the ball for 70 minutes. Later investigation cleared both teams - as they “appear to have tried” before 1:1 and it was strategically correct for both teams to stay back as it would give each team optimal chance to advance. They played last round of group stage simultaneously since then.
@@vinni522 why not just play elimination instead of having winners and losers bracket? e.g. round of 32 > 16 > 8 > 4> 2 >1 This is the method adopted by most competitions. Winner progress. Losers get eliminated. Everyone will play their best at risk of getting eliminated.
@vinni522 You say that as if every country has 30 football stadiums, 50 badminton courts, 80 basketball courts, 159 swimming pools and 894 volleyball courts all in a single city. Don't be stupid. Matches cannot be played at the same time for an obvious reason, and it's not just to allow the audience to witness multiple matches.
And people oversees have the audacity to talk about how tough futbol is. I'm sorry, watching a person pretend to be injured and throwing a temper tantrum like a 5 year old does on the playground is not fun or cool or tough. It's pathetic.
I think there was a Denmark vs Austria game where they would both progress if it was a draw. Cue 90 minutes of passing practice. Organisers subsequently changed the format of the group stage so that both 'last group games' were played at the same time.
Yeah I don't know have no idea and thank you for not explaining I was thinking to the narrator a lot of us just didn't have time to sit around or even partake of extracurricular sports in school because guess what We were too busy studying working etc and didn't have that opportunity
Yellow card is a standard foul card against a player. It's issued as a warning. Sometimes it requires the player to sit out of the game for a period of time. Red card is kicking of a player from the game, accompanying a severe foul or several yellow cards. In several sports, that player cannot be replaced with a different player; instead the entire team must play the rest of the game one player short. And as you heard, black card is entire disqualification from the series. So yellow is sit on the side for a while, red is kicked out of the game, black is whole team disqualified.
@@valiantsfelinesmccarty6678how can somebody never see yellow or red card? How can somebody never see sport in their life?? Damn I don't know people like you exist
This happens in football all the time. If a team guarantees that it continues, they often play their last match with the team that is normally on the bench.
Not the teams' problem. It is the problem of the administrators of the game. They punished the players for their incompetence in setting up the tournament.
The problem is silver and bronze medals. If there is only a prize for first, such a scenario is impossible because you always have to play the better team and if you lose, you lose. With Silver and Bronze medals you’re incentivized to play the best/better team as late as possible. The only fix is no second place.
There is the problem of match fixing. The moment huge amounts of money are at stake through bets, you cannot allow a team losing on purpose. Otherwise people would bet against themselves.
In football the old West Germany played neighbour Austria in a World Cup qualifier. The loser would not qualify and so they both didn't try to score. From this moment on, all final qualifying matches in the same group play at the same time.
The matches should’ve been played simultaneously to avoid situations where players can gain advantages by losing. Years ago. The final games of group stage (sorry forgot teams and year) of UEFA Championship League were played at different times. Both teams advance on draws of 1:1 or higher. The betting line on exactly score 1:1 went all the way to 1.75 to 1 (typically 5-7 to 1). Teams went about pretending to play for 20 minutes. It was 1-1 by then and the rest of the game had no pressure, no shots and both advanced after passing the ball for 70 minutes. Later investigation cleared both teams - as they “appear to have tried” before 1:1 and it was strategically correct for both teams to stay back as it would give each team optimal chance to advance. They played last round of group stage simultaneously since then.
But this was the last round in the same poule which is played at the same time. The problem here was that other poules adjusted their strategy to the result in poule D. And while the upset happened in the 3rd match it could have happened in the 1st.
"I mean who wants to sit through that?" And that's the problem with modern sports events. They are not about the sport at all, they are about milking the viewer dry.
Still, though. If the team doesn't have the courage to compete with the best of them, what are they even doing there? Bottom feeding for scrap victories? Is that the Olympian spirit?
@@ScionStorm1 oh, so by your logic, there are 16 teams, which team a is 1000 power, and the others all only have 10 power, and the rule is that people will be kiIIe* when they are bellow 3rd rank.Then, you are at the same situation, you will want to risk your life to fight the 1000 power teams A just because you are "brave"?
There was also that soccer game where one team would benefit from both a regular and an own goal and the other team tried to stop them from either. Pure chaos.
Reminds me of the southpark episode where both kids baseball teams dont want to advance cause they dont like baseball and only play because their parents want them too. So both teams play lousy in the finals. Randy also trains to fight other parents at games. Its a great episode 🤣🥰
From a motorsport fan's experience, that's pretty obvious from the get-go, but the effect of the card is in the final part of the video, banning all the teams that played poorly.
They literally did. You weren't paying attention. Listen up, Carl, instead of having a wank in the bathroom. The black card disqualifies an entire team from the entire series.
The black card should go to the even organizer. This is like if this is basketball, then the winner of this match will play team USA (the best team in basketball) and the loser will play Japan (a very bad team in basketball ) in the next round. And the loser of the next round will be out of the tournament.
It's a highly skilled sport, you can play at 80-85% of your peak performance and still lose big, but you will go unnoticed. They don't seem to be particularly "bright".
As someone who like sports and like to win, I am not there playing for you who is looking at me. I am playing to get as far as possible in the tournement.
@@sylviohache3467 I get you but I feel that's a form of match fixing and not good sportsmanship. You can't win every game and you never know, the team you're fearing may foul a lot or just be on their best form.
If loosing is more advantageous to achive a better final position then it's the championship designer's fault not the players... After all the objective of any team in a championship is to achive the best position possible.
indoor soccer has a blue card for sin box incidents also there's a disqualifying black card in fencing which you can get for something so simple as not shaking hands with your opponent.
They plan the system poorly in a highly exploitable and unfair way and then blame and punish the players for manipulating it Reward teams for playing their best if you want them to always play their best
That's not the point. Its about equal opportunity and equal chances which the organizers failed to realize and made it nearly impossible to try and compete against.
Its a pretty moronic tournament structure then. You should never be punished for your win in a tournament, and cases where losing is benefitial should be removed.
It isn't the fault of the players that the organisers of the tournament have made it so such scenarios exist. In such scenarios, just make it so the winners get to pick their opponent out of the 2. The only way I can imagine where as an organiser you physically can't do anything, is when you have groups with, let's say 4 teams and top 2 teams go to knock-outs or a double elimination bracket, where 1st seed from Group A plays 2nd seed Group B and seed Group B plays 1st seed Group B. If 2nd seed Group B is a really strong team that underperformed, then it makes sense for Group A teams to be aiming for 2nd place and not 1st. In every other scenario, it's just the organiser's fault.
Changing to a group format was the worst change in the history of Olympic Badminton. Then they add insult to injury by only seeding 4 doubles. Whoever is responsible for these decisions should leave sports for good
This is 100% fault of whoever designed the tournament system and seeding. If they gave players incentive to lose, why are they surprised that they are trying to lose? Also, what kind of system was that? I can't think of one where the pairing would look like that... I know elimination, so the loser does not go to the next round at all. Then round robin, when they play against every other opponent, so it would not matter. Then some swiss-based system where players with similar score play against each other - even there it would not make sense to lose (losing this round on purpose so you can maybe win the next round easier is at best equal to winning this round and losing the next.. Plus you have no idea what will happen the next round... ) Even if it was double elimination format, getting one loss now should not be better than getting a win a highly probable loss later... The only thing that comes to my mind that both 1) both teams advance to the next round, and 2) you don't want to win is, if this was a group stage (they played round robin between 4 teams, both of these eat the other two teams so they advance from 1st and 2nd place, and they play this match to decide the order) AND they both fear the team who finished 2nd in the other group more than they fear the team who finished 1st. Which would be improbable, the 1st team in that group should be better... but it might have been a fluke, or they may have a psychological block against them, or something....
Why compete if you are afraid of other teams? That's such a bizarre thing to do. "I don't wanna lose to the good team so I'll throw the game and lose to a worse team". Isn't it better to lose to the best!? Weirdos
Do you agree with this guys? The problem seems to be with the scoring system of this tournament, as it is a strategy to win the tournament to score fewer points... since when do you need to apply your best in a match?
It was obvious the Chinese and South Korean coaches didn't instruct their athletes, how to fake it convincingly 🤣
China fakes everything part 69
Yea bros need to take an nba course in tanking
If one of them play slightly better than the other team, they would've won since the other team actively tried to lose. Even if the referee gave black card only to the losing team, the winning team still have to face the stronger chinese team which they want to avoid in the first place
@@ShedBall
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@@MrDeerbomb
Doesn't matter.
Their raspberry award winning performances, warrants and deserves only one 'reward':
Lifetime bans.
It’s also about how poorly the matches were designed. If the either team win, they will face the top seed and get eliminated, but if they lose they will face weaker team and move forward. BWF has changed the game structure afterwards.
The same in football. Champions league will pit top seed against the weaker team
In some basketball semi finals, you match the top team with the lowest team, 2nd highest team with second lowest team and so on. It gives the motivation to be the top team.
No fair games in this world.
@@charlieextra9406 (I dont know anything abou basketball) I assume however that in basketball, the losing team does not get to play against another team though.
@paulmartin8299 you mean the opposite? In the champions league, the 1st place teams will play against the 2nd place (weaker) teams in another group. But in the badminton, the winner will be matched with another strong team
Poor tournament planning if it’s beneficial for a team to lose a match tbh….
How Pathetic is that... 🤮🤮🤮
In a K.O. tournament system this is almost unavoidable. At this years Euros for example Germany would have benefitted from losing their last match, thus being only 2nd place in their group and not facing Spain so soon
@TheMasterMief then, the obvious answer is not to use the K.O system
@@cyzcyt Watchers love the KO system though because high stakes are entertaining.
@@cyzcytyes, let's just make the games 100% even and not competitive, that will draw crowds. Competition should be competitive, being scared to play a better team is part of it. Nothing needs to be changed.
If there is an incentive to lose, then you need to change the incentives.
Why not let the winner choose who they face, give an incentive to win.
Maybe they could keep the matchup a secret and reveal the next round matchups after all the previous stage games are completed?
And like they don’t reveal how they determine who faces who (the seeding system) beforehand so it’s actually a secret
@@taylorbraithwaite2084
You could try and explain your 'reasoning' to a betting syndicate who don't appreciate such an 'alternative' method, to making money...
@@aryanshah7655a secret seeding is also bad, hiding poor tournament seeding doesn't make it a good tournament. Unless you meant lottery / by chance. Match ups Must give incentive to winners not the losers.
There are no incentives, the incentives appear when you have no sportsmanship, you need to aim for the top but these teams are giving up before even trying.
You can't just make the qualifying brackets shit, so the best strategy for winning is to lose a game and then blame the athletes for intentionally losing when it is the best strategy for winning over the long-term.
You are playing badminton not clash of clans, PLAY it or get disqualified.
As we just witnessed: you certainly can
@@al-frizahmakalunsenge5243they are playing it. An entire tournament. If game theory optimal is to lose now so you can win later, seems like a rules issue. You can’t blame the teams for figuring out they had a better shot at winning the whole thing by throwing one game
@@al-frizahmakalunsenge5243this isn't clash of clans. People are there to play to win. If playing poorly allows them to win, then they should play poorly.
@@al-frizahmakalunsenge5243 wtf are you talking about ? they were playing. they played poorly to give them better chances to win the tournemant. the tournement was designed really poorly
idk about the black card but the video of the players were different. it was later found that the serves kept failing because the net was higher than it was supposed to be not because they want to face weaker opponents.
Thank you I was really confused because my first thought as a badminton player was "there's something wrong with the net"
That fucking south park episode lmaooo
"Hey, I reary reary rant dat! Dat rooks good"
"I'll use my credit card"
"Shut up Pip!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The losing edge
To be fair, I have only seen the black card used 3 times. 1 time when team members fought, and 2 times in the London Olympics. the London Olympics happened because of bad planning by the organisers.
The fighting one was wild.
Right. The matches should’ve been played simultaneously to avoid situations where players can gain advantages by losing.
Years ago. The final games of group stage (sorry forgot teams and year) of UEFA Championship League were played at different times. Both teams advance on draws of 1:1 or higher. The betting line on exactly score 1:1 went all the way to 1.75 to 1 (typically 5-7 to 1). Teams went about pretending to play for 20 minutes. It was 1-1 by then and the rest of the game had no pressure, no shots and both advanced after passing the ball for 70 minutes. Later investigation cleared both teams - as they “appear to have tried” before 1:1 and it was strategically correct for both teams to stay back as it would give each team optimal chance to advance.
They played last round of group stage simultaneously since then.
@@vinni522 why not just play elimination instead of having winners and losers bracket?
e.g. round of 32 > 16 > 8 > 4> 2 >1
This is the method adopted by most competitions.
Winner progress. Losers get eliminated.
Everyone will play their best at risk of getting eliminated.
That is so cool!
@vinni522 You say that as if every country has 30 football stadiums, 50 badminton courts, 80 basketball courts, 159 swimming pools and 894 volleyball courts all in a single city. Don't be stupid. Matches cannot be played at the same time for an obvious reason, and it's not just to allow the audience to witness multiple matches.
They should have asked the soccer teams how to fake behavior in a game
And people oversees have the audacity to talk about how tough futbol is. I'm sorry, watching a person pretend to be injured and throwing a temper tantrum like a 5 year old does on the playground is not fun or cool or tough. It's pathetic.
Imagine buying ticket just to see players throwing.
That would be gutting! And that's not including hotel stay, travel and essentials (like food and drinks) expenses 😢
@@DDSizeBra and days off work
@@NyanyiC that's true... and when your co-workers ask how it was ☹️
Lmao imagine buying tickets.
I mean if I want to watch fake sports I'd go watch pro wrestling
Simple solution. If both teams agree it is advantageous to lose, they should be allowed to play for winner gets to lose.
It's essentially CaseOh's "Yep,that's it you're banned. Have a nice day." line,but summed up in an object
It's hilarious that they were warned and their response was: "you don't have the guts to disqualify us!"
Sounds like every 3rd group game of a Football world cup
I think there was a Denmark vs Austria game where they would both progress if it was a draw. Cue 90 minutes of passing practice.
Organisers subsequently changed the format of the group stage so that both 'last group games' were played at the same time.
@@johnathanh2660
That 'game', was really painful to watch!
If I was in the crowd as that was going on, I'd demand a refund 😁
@@johnathanh2660 West-Germany vs Austria
"Everyone knows what a yellow card and red card are in sports.". And here I am thinking that I'm not everyone.
Yeah I don't know have no idea and thank you for not explaining I was thinking to the narrator a lot of us just didn't have time to sit around or even partake of extracurricular sports in school because guess what We were too busy studying working etc and didn't have that opportunity
Yellow card is a standard foul card against a player. It's issued as a warning. Sometimes it requires the player to sit out of the game for a period of time.
Red card is kicking of a player from the game, accompanying a severe foul or several yellow cards. In several sports, that player cannot be replaced with a different player; instead the entire team must play the rest of the game one player short.
And as you heard, black card is entire disqualification from the series.
So yellow is sit on the side for a while, red is kicked out of the game, black is whole team disqualified.
You never watch sport?? I don't know people like you exist
@@valiantsfelinesmccarty6678how can somebody never see yellow or red card? How can somebody never see sport in their life?? Damn I don't know people like you exist
@@AlexanderGarzowRonal American sports don't have cards.
This happens in football all the time. If a team guarantees that it continues, they often play their last match with the team that is normally on the bench.
Sure, but not because they want to lose, but because they don't want to risk their best players getting injured.
They need to change the way the matchmaking system works
Not the teams' problem. It is the problem of the administrators of the game. They punished the players for their incompetence in setting up the tournament.
The problem is silver and bronze medals. If there is only a prize for first, such a scenario is impossible because you always have to play the better team and if you lose, you lose. With Silver and Bronze medals you’re incentivized to play the best/better team as late as possible. The only fix is no second place.
100 percent. Dumb ladder
@@peter65zzfdfhthat or just do a league system with one last face off. The end.
@@cyzcyt or double elimination...
There is the problem of match fixing. The moment huge amounts of money are at stake through bets, you cannot allow a team losing on purpose. Otherwise people would bet against themselves.
In football the old West Germany played neighbour Austria in a World Cup qualifier. The loser would not qualify and so they both didn't try to score. From this moment on, all final qualifying matches in the same group play at the same time.
The matches should’ve been played simultaneously to avoid situations where players can gain advantages by losing.
Years ago. The final games of group stage (sorry forgot teams and year) of UEFA Championship League were played at different times. Both teams advance on draws of 1:1 or higher. The betting line on exactly score 1:1 went all the way to 1.75 to 1 (typically 5-7 to 1). Teams went about pretending to play for 20 minutes. It was 1-1 by then and the rest of the game had no pressure, no shots and both advanced after passing the ball for 70 minutes. Later investigation cleared both teams - as they “appear to have tried” before 1:1 and it was strategically correct for both teams to stay back as it would give each team optimal chance to advance.
They played last round of group stage simultaneously since then.
But this was the last round in the same poule which is played at the same time.
The problem here was that other poules adjusted their strategy to the result in poule D. And while the upset happened in the 3rd match it could have happened in the 1st.
@@JoostMehrtens Yes. Maybe a redraw after each round is a possible solution.
"I mean who wants to sit through that?"
And that's the problem with modern sports events.
They are not about the sport at all, they are about milking the viewer dry.
Thank you. I knew I'd find someone who understands the real issue here.
Still, though. If the team doesn't have the courage to compete with the best of them, what are they even doing there? Bottom feeding for scrap victories? Is that the Olympian spirit?
@@ScionStorm1 would you rather face the best team and get 4th if you lose, or face the best team and get second if you lose?
@@ScionStorm1 oh, so by your logic, there are 16 teams, which team a is 1000 power, and the others all only have 10 power, and the rule is that people will be kiIIe* when they are bellow 3rd rank.Then, you are at the same situation, you will want to risk your life to fight the 1000 power teams A just because you are "brave"?
@@ScionStorm1 also, by your logic, you are those people who will die* at the first place when WW3 started.😂
The Olympic Games have become a relic of the past.
There was also that soccer game where one team would benefit from both a regular and an own goal and the other team tried to stop them from either. Pure chaos.
Reminds me of the southpark episode where both kids baseball teams dont want to advance cause they dont like baseball and only play because their parents want them too. So both teams play lousy in the finals. Randy also trains to fight other parents at games. Its a great episode 🤣🥰
@@MoralMonster
You can't beat Matt and Trey 👍
The organizers planned the whole tournament so poorly but the players are the ones who get punished for it.
Coach: Jose Mourinho
Sounds like organizers don't know how to structure a tournament
Its like when the boys start playing baseball in South Park 😂
You know they’re good when their own team is afraid of playing against their g1
You didnt even explain what the black card does tho
From the short looks like it disqualifies all teams involved. But needs investigation by the IOC first aswell as suspicion from the arbiter.
He did, you didn't watch til the end
From a motorsport fan's experience, that's pretty obvious from the get-go, but the effect of the card is in the final part of the video, banning all the teams that played poorly.
They literally did. You weren't paying attention. Listen up, Carl, instead of having a wank in the bathroom. The black card disqualifies an entire team from the entire series.
There’s a simple way around this: make it so the winner gets to choose whether or not they “won”
not wanting to try your best and fight against the best is the saddest shit anyone doing any sport can do.
I really have no idea what a yellow or red card is
Dude had the guts to blame the other team when everyone already know they did it for the $
The black card should go to the even organizer. This is like if this is basketball, then the winner of this match will play team USA (the best team in basketball) and the loser will play Japan (a very bad team in basketball ) in the next round. And the loser of the next round will be out of the tournament.
the Olympics this year were a complete disgrace. From the starting and ending ceremonies and all the other stuff
Change the system so that winning can’t be a bad thing, if they do that it’s a stupid system.
It's a highly skilled sport, you can play at 80-85% of your peak performance and still lose big, but you will go unnoticed. They don't seem to be particularly "bright".
Exactly - who wants to sit through something like that 😂come on ladies!
As someone who like sports and like to win, I am not there playing for you who is looking at me. I am playing to get as far as possible in the tournement.
@@sylviohache3467 I get you but I feel that's a form of match fixing and not good sportsmanship. You can't win every game and you never know, the team you're fearing may foul a lot or just be on their best form.
You can't win without the spectators.@@sylviohache3467
I don’t think I’ve ever needed to know what a red or yellow card is in my life.
If loosing is more advantageous to achive a better final position then it's the championship designer's fault not the players... After all the objective of any team in a championship is to achive the best position possible.
Maybe if you paid the athletes, they would take it more seriously
indoor soccer has a blue card for sin box incidents
also there's a disqualifying black card in fencing which you can get for something so simple as not shaking hands with your opponent.
Reminds me of the South Park episode "The Losing Edge."
I noticed there have been way way way more regularly performing folk in the Olympics this go around 😂
This is like the chicken game to see who blink first.
They need to change how you advance in that tournament.
In online gaming we call this reverse boosting
What? That's really stupid. If playing bad gets you further, that's not the fault of the teams.
They plan the system poorly in a highly exploitable and unfair way and then blame and punish the players for manipulating it
Reward teams for playing their best if you want them to always play their best
Basically they got caught sandbagging.
Maybe if tournaments were structured better to begin with, this wouldn't be an issue
Wise words , who wants to sit through rigged olympics
dont hate the players, hate the game.
if you reward competitors for losing a game, dont be surprised if they try to lose
"We all know what a red or yellow card is"
No, we all don't.
Black Card😂, American Express😂
I think there's something wrong with the net
Every NBA team losing to get first pick in the draft
As a non-sports person, I did not know that cards were part of it.
Bruh the stronger team wins just by scaring the future opponents😂
Imagine losing intentionally because you're afraid to loose 💀
That's not the point. Its about equal opportunity and equal chances which the organizers failed to realize and made it nearly impossible to try and compete against.
Its a pretty moronic tournament structure then. You should never be punished for your win in a tournament, and cases where losing is benefitial should be removed.
"Shaving points off a football game? Now thats just unamerican."
It isn't the fault of the players that the organisers of the tournament have made it so such scenarios exist. In such scenarios, just make it so the winners get to pick their opponent out of the 2.
The only way I can imagine where as an organiser you physically can't do anything, is when you have groups with, let's say 4 teams and top 2 teams go to knock-outs or a double elimination bracket, where 1st seed from Group A plays 2nd seed Group B and seed Group B plays 1st seed Group B.
If 2nd seed Group B is a really strong team that underperformed, then it makes sense for Group A teams to be aiming for 2nd place and not 1st. In every other scenario, it's just the organiser's fault.
I misread Athletes as Atheist's and got really confused.
Raygun needs that card too loll
The athletes are more afraid of whats gonna happen if they beat the "stronger" team than getting the black card
IN STRESSFUL SITUATIONS ATTACK JUDGES AND REFEREES
The black card banishes your entire team to the shadow realm
When you value placing vs winning.
I dont know whats worst the fact your not even trying or the fact you dont believe in your own team that you can win
This is the fault of the organizers. Shame on them
Never fake, go out with glory. To be the best you gotta beat the best.
Badminton players when the goodminton players show up
I thought it was so the South Korean team didn't get punished for failing when they got back to their country as harshly 🤔
Why are sports like badminton even an Olympic event.
Thank you man, the Gyakuten Saiban Sound Box's one has a cut...😢
When you benefit from losing a match, the system is flawed. I’ve done the same in ranked pc games.
Doesn’t the black card only exist for badminton and fencing?
Changing to a group format was the worst change in the history of Olympic Badminton. Then they add insult to injury by only seeding 4 doubles. Whoever is responsible for these decisions should leave sports for good
We should do this concept for anti consumer and monopolistic policies
When you have to lose to get a better placing then it is not the players fault, but the organization. This is bs
I want to watch a game like that
I'd understand if they fear to face someone in boxing or fighting but in badminton....
Makes rules in a way that people can take advantage of them.
Gets mad when people take advantage of them.
Imagine trying your hardest and getting blackcarded.
Gregoria M. Tunjung was one of them😂
I thought that was a magic card lmao
This is 100% fault of whoever designed the tournament system and seeding.
If they gave players incentive to lose, why are they surprised that they are trying to lose?
Also, what kind of system was that? I can't think of one where the pairing would look like that...
I know elimination, so the loser does not go to the next round at all.
Then round robin, when they play against every other opponent, so it would not matter.
Then some swiss-based system where players with similar score play against each other - even there it would not make sense to lose (losing this round on purpose so you can maybe win the next round easier is at best equal to winning this round and losing the next.. Plus you have no idea what will happen the next round... )
Even if it was double elimination format, getting one loss now should not be better than getting a win a highly probable loss later...
The only thing that comes to my mind that both
1) both teams advance to the next round, and
2) you don't want to win
is, if this was a group stage (they played round robin between 4 teams, both of these eat the other two teams so they advance from 1st and 2nd place, and they play this match to decide the order) AND they both fear the team who finished 2nd in the other group more than they fear the team who finished 1st.
Which would be improbable, the 1st team in that group should be better... but it might have been a fluke, or they may have a psychological block against them, or something....
And raygun and oz still hasnt been penalized.
This is equivalent to the Australian female break dancer
2012 Indonesia had the same on Olympic and failed to be on final
What system is that? Both teams move to the next round and the winners play the winners from the other game?
For what was the first match then?
Why compete if you are afraid of other teams? That's such a bizarre thing to do. "I don't wanna lose to the good team so I'll throw the game and lose to a worse team".
Isn't it better to lose to the best!? Weirdos
Black cards are much more fearable in roller hockey
Have less shitty tournament rules ...
If you can win by losing, why bother winning in the first place? Thats why the game structure have been change since.
Don't punish the players, change the format of matchups.
This clearly just a failure of the olympic organization.
Do you agree with this guys?
The problem seems to be with the scoring system of this tournament, as it is a strategy to win the tournament to score fewer points... since when do you need to apply your best in a match?
The Black Card: death penalty