Sondheim Hid a Puzzle in INTO THE WOODS

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  • čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
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    0:00 Sondheim the Puzzle Maker
    1:43 BroadwayCon
    2:14 Pitch
    3:36 Steps
    4:49 Range
    5:31 Galumphing Figure
    7:20 The Clue
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    Stephen Sondheim is known as a legendary composer and lyricist of Broadway musicals, but what you may not know is that he was an avid puzzle maker. And sometimes his fondness for puzzle making made its way into his music as well. This video explores one example of this phenomenon that occurs in INTO THE WOODS, perhaps Sondheim’s most well-known musical that has been revived many times and even adapted into a Disney movie.
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  • @scottekim
    @scottekim Před 6 měsíci +192

    I loved learning how Sondheim's puzzle making figures in his musicals. I quote his comments about puzzle making often, but this is the first time I've heard about a specific embedded puzzle in one of his musicals. I love how you opened with the GAPES double definition and end with ESCHEW. Great pay off.

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +19

      Oh wow, thank you for seeing the structure there! We should definitely get your comments about Sondheim's puzzles in a future video!

    • @fredrickcampbell8198
      @fredrickcampbell8198 Před 6 měsíci +7

      My vocabulary did not include eschew before watching this video.

  • @roybarkan
    @roybarkan Před 6 měsíci +156

    And here I thought I understood sondheim💀

  • @bfish89ryuhayabusa
    @bfish89ryuhayabusa Před 6 měsíci +121

    I'll note that, at the end of "Steps of the Palace", Cinderella's progress is demonstrated by her expanded range, the song ending with her holding on a high note she had barely touched before.

  • @allisonbergh4429
    @allisonbergh4429 Před 6 měsíci +44

    The steps being so integral to the journey, both literally and figuratively AND musically, makes the treadmill used in the original Broadway production an interesting thing to ponder

  • @kayjay27
    @kayjay27 Před 6 měsíci +81

    Man, the more I learn about Into the Woods, the more I fall in love with it!! Thank you for another brilliant video :)

  • @DamnGleeks
    @DamnGleeks Před 6 měsíci +20

    The way I gasped and grinned continuously throughout the video, I love when people dissect Sondheim's work and reveal all these hidden treasures.

  • @chandragreenberg9109
    @chandragreenberg9109 Před 6 měsíci +58

    I love Into the Woods! One question I had is about the 3 lesson songs - I personally think there are 4 lesson songs because I would count the baker’s wife’s song “Moments In The Woods” as a lesson song. The final lyrics include the phrase “now I understand” and it seems the general format of the song is similar to the other lesson songs in terms of the way she is working something out for herself and singing to the audience. Is there a reason why this song wouldn’t be included in among the lesson songs?

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +38

      And "Moments in the Woods" does have the galumphing accompaniment figure too! And it begins as a lesson song, i.e. reflecting on a lesson of something that just happened, but then Sondheim says she quickly transitions into dealing with returning to the present and being in the "moment." So it has some of the same elements as the lesson songs but with a twist.

  • @Glindaful
    @Glindaful Před 6 měsíci +31

    I cant really describe how happy these analysis make me. They tickle such a specific musical theatre lover nerve in all our brains. Thank you! So here for the whole series.

  • @Dinuial
    @Dinuial Před 6 měsíci +29

    A word about that crossword clue. It is important to know that it is a CRYPTIC clue. A basic crossword clue doesn't get more complex than asking for a double meaning. A cryptic clue is broken into 2 parts; the meaning of the word intended to be filled in as an answer, and a wordplay section that needs to be dissected.

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +4

      Yes, good context!

    • @bfish89ryuhayabusa
      @bfish89ryuhayabusa Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah, I didn't consider interpreting it as a cryptic until he dissected the second half, and then I started looking around for anything that would have indicated it as such.

  • @sydposting
    @sydposting Před 6 měsíci +10

    Sondheim's cameo in "Glass Onion" makes so much more sense now! Benoit Blanc sings "Losing My Mind" from Follies in the first movie and I assumed that was the only reason.

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +6

      Yes, and in fact, the entire film of Glass Onion is a tribute to Sondheim's screenplay for The Last of Sheila which has a very similar plot!

  • @gailleondar-wright2778
    @gailleondar-wright2778 Před 6 měsíci +40

    Howard, this is fantastic. I love how you took a notion that David floated and Bway Con and methodically expanded on it. Your technical explanation is so clear, thanks to your visuals. Really terrific work, Howard (And I am proud to be an extra in your video.)

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +5

      Haha! You're FAR from an extra, and when I talk more about Broadwaycon, I hope to give you more of a shout out as well!

    • @gailleondar-wright2778
      @gailleondar-wright2778 Před 6 měsíci +2

      We are all extras in somebody else's story :) Really, it was a pleasure to present with you. @@HowardHoMusic

  • @ShaharHarshuv
    @ShaharHarshuv Před 6 měsíci +16

    I want to mention that double meaning in musical lyrics is usually frowned upon because it can be confusing and the audience might not follow. But here there is a clear face meaning that is immediately understood, so it's not a problem

  • @bityew
    @bityew Před 6 měsíci +24

    Brilliant! Sondheim works on sooo many levels!

  • @kazza6078
    @kazza6078 Před 6 měsíci +13

    Let me just go scream into the sky about how much i love musicals real quick

  • @wsteed6284
    @wsteed6284 Před 6 měsíci +9

    What does a shoe leave behind? Prints! (Prince!)

    • @carolineh8713
      @carolineh8713 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Finger prints?
      (Showing my age!)

    • @Landis963
      @Landis963 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@carolineh8713 "I don't think so."

  • @adrianghandtchi1562
    @adrianghandtchi1562 Před 6 měsíci +5

    God, there are so many layers. It took me a while to even get into what everything means from my favorite musical and here you go throwing in a curveball I fear I’m just too simple minded to even think of this.

  • @musicfanboy4477
    @musicfanboy4477 Před 6 měsíci +4

    YOU DONT KNOW HOW HAPPY THIS MAKES MY SILLY LITTLE SONDHEIM MIND. THANK YOU 💙

  • @ashershectman1954
    @ashershectman1954 Před 6 měsíci +14

    I found a potential double meaning in Sweeney Todd while reading FTH the other day. In Pretty Women when Sweeney whistles and they discuss the source of their joy, the Judge says “the blood to pound, the heart leap higher”, which I’ve always heard as the different - but equally applicable - “the blood to pound the heartly pyre.” I don’t know how intentional this was, but knowing Sondheim’s affinity for cryptic crosswords and parsing, I wouldn’t put it past him a bit.

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +5

      Ohhh...interesting.

    • @FrenkTheJoy
      @FrenkTheJoy Před 6 měsíci +2

      Wait that's what the lyrics actually are?? I've only ever heard it as "heartly pyre".

    • @sydposting
      @sydposting Před 6 měsíci

      @@FrenkTheJoy Same!! I guess these are all just cases in point.

  • @Exiled.New.Yorker
    @Exiled.New.Yorker Před 6 měsíci +5

    I love watching musicians actually LOOK at Sondheim and have their minds blown.

  • @nataliealaby6516
    @nataliealaby6516 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Did anyone notice that the cadence for Steps of the Palace represents Cinderella walking/limping with one high heeled shoe? It’s very subtle.

  • @bfish89ryuhayabusa
    @bfish89ryuhayabusa Před 6 měsíci +5

    With a shoe, she eschews the issue

  • @seantodd8875
    @seantodd8875 Před 6 měsíci +4

    OMG this was wonderful! Great arguments, very well presented. And I can't believe I never picked up on "eschew" before!

  • @mayabairey
    @mayabairey Před 6 měsíci +5

    Another genius video, I would NEVER have realized that on my own!

  • @jacquelinefu3534
    @jacquelinefu3534 Před 6 měsíci +9

    I love love love Into the Woods and I never realized this… This is amazing, thank you for sharing!! Looking forward to more videos!

  • @sgste
    @sgste Před 6 měsíci +3

    It's stuff like this that makes one stop and go; "Oh yeah, for a second there, I forgot Sondheim was a musical genius!" Thanks for the reminder! Great video!

  • @SpectrumArtStudio
    @SpectrumArtStudio Před 6 měsíci +3

    Love the pace - learnt so much 👍🏻

  • @emma124
    @emma124 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I just found this channel and I've been watching every video while freaking out. I don't know a lot about music theory but it's all so fascinating to me, and I adore Sondheim. I can't wait for more videos about his music!!!

  • @Cutiemuffinz
    @Cutiemuffinz Před 6 měsíci +2

    Thank you for finally explaining this! I never really appreciated into the woods, and I didn’t get why people got so excited about it. Now it’s exciting to me, and I can look at it again with a new appreciation.

  • @LaLayla99
    @LaLayla99 Před 6 měsíci +5

    More Sondheim is always a great thing! 😍

  • @kelvinkao7436
    @kelvinkao7436 Před 6 měsíci +13

    I love this! How you expanded on the musical terms used in the lyrics correspond to the things in the music.
    Bonus for the moment captured on video of Howard thinking about this idea right as it happens.
    And "pitch perfect", what a clue you left about who to cast to play Cinderella!

    • @DavidBenkof
      @DavidBenkof Před 6 měsíci +2

      Yes, I had noticed that lightbulb go off in Howard's head as I spoke, and I love how he highlights that moment in the video.

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +4

      I remember thinking, "Why didn't I think of that?"

  • @Aaron_J_Theater
    @Aaron_J_Theater Před 5 měsíci +1

    You're just helping my problem of gobbling up any Sondheim content I can - thank you.

  • @haley551
    @haley551 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I’m excited for your series about Sondheim, I’m a huge fan of his and your musical analysis videos always leave me feeling awed and inspired

  • @thespibunny272
    @thespibunny272 Před 6 měsíci +1

    All of this just makes me so happy! Thank you for your incredible videos!

  • @johnshoemakerpbc
    @johnshoemakerpbc Před 6 měsíci +2

    Wow never connected these. Total genius. Wow.

  • @belle132
    @belle132 Před 6 měsíci +3

    This is incredible! Thank you so much for sharing. Sondheim was a genius.

  • @ameliegifford1477
    @ameliegifford1477 Před 6 měsíci +2

    A Sondheim series? LET'S GOOO I'm so keen

  • @ha_tinkerer1191
    @ha_tinkerer1191 Před 5 měsíci

    You opened up my mind to this show, which I first saw during the original run. Thanks, please keep the excellent videos coming.

  • @justanotheryoutubechannel8319
    @justanotheryoutubechannel8319 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Yay! An into the woods video!! Great way to start the day

  • @alicialudden9994
    @alicialudden9994 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Daaaaaanng! Well done, sir!

  • @matthewreed8036
    @matthewreed8036 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Such a good video! Excited for the Sondheim series!

  • @zunbarg
    @zunbarg Před 6 měsíci +1

    This was WONDERFUL. Thank you

  • @bwaySHO
    @bwaySHO Před 6 měsíci +1

    This is fascinating, thanks for sharing!

  • @sisivincent4347
    @sisivincent4347 Před 5 měsíci

    Into the Woods is my all-time favorite musical!!! I was hoping for this video!

  • @anapaulinacantugarcia9746
    @anapaulinacantugarcia9746 Před 6 měsíci +2

    This is AMAZING! I would looooove to see a video of you analyzing Sunday in the Park with George 😍

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +3

      I will definitely talk about Sunday at some point!

  • @TomIdelson
    @TomIdelson Před 6 měsíci +1

    This was brilliant!!!
    Thank you 😊

  • @dommagwili2486
    @dommagwili2486 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Brilliant, Howard!

  • @ryanadams4812
    @ryanadams4812 Před 6 měsíci +2

    I am in awe

  • @cindiverbelun1802
    @cindiverbelun1802 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Damn Howard, that was BRILLIANT!!!❤❤❤

  • @julianasilveira4806
    @julianasilveira4806 Před 6 měsíci +1

    your channel is just... sublime

  • @kaydinyounger6087
    @kaydinyounger6087 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Everytime i think i understand this man’s mind I get knocked back 20 steps, what a genius

  • @cinnamonroo
    @cinnamonroo Před 6 měsíci +2

    i broke my brain trying to answer this question... is trolls in the musical theatre universe?

  • @katekramer7679
    @katekramer7679 Před 5 měsíci

    Well gat dang. This is brilliant!

  • @MikeJackson-mx6nq
    @MikeJackson-mx6nq Před 5 měsíci +1

    I like this story it a twist to every scene 🎬 and well thought out.

  • @Silensy
    @Silensy Před 6 měsíci +2

    Ah yes, the vamp...also where the toe box ends on a shoe.

  • @lieselottebreure5435
    @lieselottebreure5435 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Please do the sondheim videos. Love this a lot

  • @rgarney
    @rgarney Před 22 dny

    More like this please!

  • @davidfranklin5426
    @davidfranklin5426 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Sondheim’s cryptic crosswords are amazing, but Richard Maltby’s are even better!

  • @GalorOmer
    @GalorOmer Před 6 měsíci +1

    Looking forward for your analysis of Merrily We Roll Along, an underrated gem. I'm sure there are many clues to unravel there ;)

  • @poopsthehuman
    @poopsthehuman Před 6 měsíci +1

    BRILLIANT

  • @ginonovanta
    @ginonovanta Před 6 měsíci +1

    Lucky me i didn't find about this when i was writing my graduation paper about this show or i should have included it ! XD

  • @cheezyb92
    @cheezyb92 Před 5 měsíci

    Held my breath the whole video for Enchanted bridge 😭😭

  • @amysirawskyofficial
    @amysirawskyofficial Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thank you.

  • @dogvom
    @dogvom Před 6 měsíci

    _ESCHEW_ as a homophone for "a shoe" would never have occurred to me, as I pronounce it "ess-TCHOO".

  • @studyingthehat
    @studyingthehat Před 6 měsíci +1

    1:00 Is that from a physical copy of Sondheim’s Crossword Puzzles?? I’ve only seen the NY Magazine column. Great video!

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks! To be clear, I don't own one. Wish I did though!

  • @codyeasonBGR
    @codyeasonBGR Před 6 měsíci +1

    This sounds fun

  • @kazza6078
    @kazza6078 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I have cute aggression but its over how much i love analysis of musicals

  • @VickyG212
    @VickyG212 Před 22 dny

    When are we getting more Sondheim analysis ?🥰

  • @Robynhoodlum
    @Robynhoodlum Před 6 měsíci +4

    Pitch perfect? So that’s why they picked Anna Kendrick?

  • @mygoat0604
    @mygoat0604 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Yum

  • @jito7377
    @jito7377 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Please keep going

  • @darkartsninja
    @darkartsninja Před 4 měsíci

    When will you cover the rest of the SIX songs?

  • @The.Lilomay
    @The.Lilomay Před 6 měsíci +5

    Did I just learn dating advice from Sondheim?

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +5

      LOL...btw, have you seen Company? It's got even more advice on relationships!

    • @The.Lilomay
      @The.Lilomay Před 6 měsíci

      @@HowardHoMusic one of my favorite

  • @cassandramiller4477
    @cassandramiller4477 Před 6 měsíci +1

    But Sondheim didn't write the lyrics for the show. James Lapine did. I don't doubt that the two of them could have cooked this up together, but credit where credit's due?

    • @gregorywiederecht
      @gregorywiederecht Před 6 měsíci +4

      Oh no no no no. Sondheim wrote the lyrics and the music. James Lapine wrote the book!

    • @cassandramiller4477
      @cassandramiller4477 Před 6 měsíci

      @@gregorywiederechtI sit corrected!

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I don't think Sondheim ever wrote music for someone else's lyrics, although he was quite famous for writing lyrics for other people's music on West Side Story, Gypsy, and Do I Hear a Waltz?

  • @MichaelYoder1961
    @MichaelYoder1961 Před 7 dny

    Stephen was too clever by half

  • @emilyrln
    @emilyrln Před 5 měsíci +1

    That is an evil, _evil_ crossword clue 😂

  • @PILOSOPAUL
    @PILOSOPAUL Před 6 měsíci +1

    Just hate that the movie gave it no justice at some crucial parts

  • @alicialudden9994
    @alicialudden9994 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Yes we want more Sondheim analysis! Just saw the new gender-flipped Company on tour… analyze Company please!!! 😁😁

    • @HowardHoMusic
      @HowardHoMusic  Před 3 měsíci

      Company is one of my favorites! I promise to cover it at some point.

  • @animalamy8557
    @animalamy8557 Před 6 měsíci

    Can you please do a video about Charlie and the chocolate factory?

  • @ellenspear50
    @ellenspear50 Před 6 měsíci

    Sweeney Todd?

  • @roberthudson6284
    @roberthudson6284 Před 6 měsíci

    Into The woods is about the September 11 pranks. There's an exclusive club of artsy insiders. Sondheim was a member.

    • @FrenkTheJoy
      @FrenkTheJoy Před 6 měsíci

      He wrote a show in the mid-80s about something that happened in 2001?

    • @roberthudson6284
      @roberthudson6284 Před 6 měsíci

      @@FrenkTheJoy How?

  • @MikeJackson-mx6nq
    @MikeJackson-mx6nq Před 5 měsíci

    If you declare with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him
    from the dead, you will be saved.
    Romans 10:9 NIV☁️💖☁️

  • @sfdntk
    @sfdntk Před 5 měsíci

    Americans finding out about cryptic crosswords for the first time is always good for a laugh.