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Pedal Buyers VS Guitar and Amp Buyers
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2023
- Baxter and Jonathan discuss the annoying things that we do when we are shopping for Amps, Guitars, and Pedals. Do you do any of these when you are shopping? Let us know in the comment section.
When I buy guitars I always take my headphone amp with me. It gives me an immediate comparison to the guitars I own. This is the only way i can accurately judge a guitar in a store environment
I've almost never plugged in an electric guitar that I buy. Almost always looks and then I hold it and one strum and I know that I want it or don't.
I had that same idea last time i bought a guitar, but i forgot it at home 🤦
It occured to me it'd be a good idea after the salesman plugged me into a $2600 mesa boogie practice amp to try the guitar i bought before the last one haha
@@216trixie - I'm exactly the same.
Holy s..t, what a great idea!
Same here. For the exact same reason. I spent 4 hours at 3 different guitar shops, just yesterday with my Mustang Mico. When I found, The One, there was no doubt. And a 1998 CE 22 came home with me.
Krull really is a forgotten masterpiece. I saw it at the movies with my Dad and my younger brother - it was awesome for the time.
Love Krull
Saw it at the theater 2 times and the drive in once love that movie too
A Now Closed Mom & Pop Shop had a Pedal Exchange, where you could buy/sell/trade your pedals, They offered 60% Retail exchange value in store Credit only and had a wall of new and used and room to try them out First. Save the Casino Guitar Shops before we have None
You guys would be fun as hell to hang with…😆
I laughed when you mentioned feeling the necks on a hanging guitar. Been there and still do it for some odd reason. It’s kinda like turning amp knobs as you walk by amps and getting some sort of “feel” for the amp. 🤣
God dwells within great tube amps...
Most of us Go through Phases Where we were All of them like Jonathan said sometimes all at once, The Wormhole begins when you research say That Dream Amp, you compare it against everything, you compare prices, until decide on the one you Get. But then being super aware of what market is, what prices are and how close you came to picking it over Amp you Bought, before you know it there are 3, 4 or 5 amps stacked against the wall. Then as you ward off buying Amps, you search for pedal to fill reverb missing on amp and cycle starts all over with Pedals, until burn out and Think You really just need a Better Guitar, so you put a Slash Goldtop on Layaway Like I Did
i kNOw WhAT yOu MEaN
@@216trixie HELL YEA BORTHER
I am none of those but I do look at absolutely everything and only buy picks or strings.
I love a wah the way Ron Asheton played it on the first Stooges record.
Krull! Hell, yeah. Absolutely great drive-in movie. Plus, Lysette Anthony. Yum.😀
I just mopped my basement floor listening to you guys, bet ya never heard that one before.
Baxter's hair on point today
Marshall’s have never clicked with me either. Apparently I have not played the right one.
I had no idea I could buy 10 pedals from Sweetwater and return all of them! this is brilliant! I'm doing that from now on.
If you do, make sure you don't complain about the prices, or the fact that some may not be in mint condition.
The feel of the neck is so important to me.
I did buy a telecaster recently that smelled funny, so that might be something to be on the lookout for too.
You guys are so good 😂😂😂
My Fractal rig cured me of GAS for amps and pedals. I'm still a sucker for a cheap (under $500) but playable guitar, though. I'm not too picky about the neck shape. I'm mostly interested in the overall feel and resonance of the wood. Any hardware problems can be addressed pretty easily.
I’ve been through several amps but never paid enough attention to them to understand what would be of most use to me, and what I really want. Now that I’ve educated myself, I can’t afford what I want, and if I could I’d have to buy another house to keep them all in. One or two good tube amps for home/studio use is probably sufficient, and then get something good enough for gigging that isn’t too expensive or heavy
I’ve mainly been a guitar and pedal guy, but decided 5 or 6 guitars is enough. It’s annoying trying to figure out where to keep all the cases and gig bags!
I think pedals are probably the easiest and most practical to collect. A handful of pedals can go a really long way if you have a decent guitar and a nice amp!
I’m sure all the digital stuff is fine but figuring out how to use it kills my motivation to be creative! I need dedicated knobs and switches that do things in real time!
Again I don't play well enough to need pedals and I have a fender mustang and that's good for my purposes . But I still love to hear your discussions
You guys are a blast. I can honestly say I have not been those guitar people in the store. I do smell guitars though, I know it is strange but I always do lol
Hey Baxter, you really have to try a marshall class 5 amp.i got it for 250€ used,gave it to amp Tech to mod it with the Plexi mod. Now it really has the Plexi Mojo sound! You gotta look that up if You want a classic Marshall sound for your living room or Guitar Demos.
Bwahaha...."Poor Man's Star Wars" omg I haven't laughed this hard in a while 🤣
Ahhh..(-sniff-) haah... Thx Baxter.✌️
Sry, no edit......there needs to be a Krull inspired pedal in the future 🤔
How'd you know I was watching this at work? :)
Faaaaaak! I'm the neck guy. I'm not looking for a specific profile, but I like vertian things like satin necks and frets that are dressed well. I feel like a good grab can get me in the ball park.
"It's a steppy thingy" is my new favorite description for guitar pedals
I just bought a '65 Super Reverb just because I've always wanted one. A Marshall half stack 🤔🤗 would be wonderful. Don't need one, but... Thanks guys and best regards.
Krull and OnlyAmps.
What a great way to start the day 😂
I always liked Fenders. My Father had a old Traynor that had headroom thru the roof! But my go too is Fenders
I'm a huge Epiphone and Electro Harmonix fan I've tried many other Effects pedal brands and always returned to the legendary Electro Harmonix
Sniffing acoustic guitars? Absolutely, Baxter! My Martin DSRGC smells like black pepper. My D-41 smells indescribably heavenly! I must be a weirdo too! I, sheepishly, own 20, They're all wonderful!
The amp buyer that has to turn it way up out in the store and then proceed to either not play well, not tune the guitar first, or play the same thing over and over for 30 minutes straight is what makes me nuts. As for guitars, I never plug them in. If they feel good and sound good acoustically, then you can always swap out the pickups later to fine tune it.
Pedal guy here. In fact I just bought yet another pedal I don't need today while I'm still paying off the last two pedals I bought last year...
I was the micro scratch guy once at gc .. I felt bad for it later but at the time I was pinching pennies and I got 30 off for it.
I'm not a returner/renter because I work in returns at a music retailer and see the massive volume of returns.
Some music equipment has a huge mark-up, so don't feel guilty. They still make a profit when they mark stuff down by 30%.
I bought a LP Jr, a few checking issues. When I went to the shop, and axplained my issues. Once they realized that I wanted to see if the checking was normal. I ended up selling the great LPJr for an exceptional J45.
Haha whenever Baxter talks about himself he always rocks from side to side on his stool
With CZcams and all the other media out there, there’s no excuse for not knowing the general sounds types of pedals make, like a chorus, a phaser, a flanger, a wah pedal, etc, and it’s also easy to hear the nuances between different brands and models online plus everybody knows who makes the good stuff from reputation, so unless defective there should be no returns on pedals. You buy after doing your homework and if not happy, you trade in or sell off.
I think that I agree with you .
Only been playing or should I say learning for 2years. Pedals and amps you should know what your looking for . I m 60 and I can find just about anything on CZcams.
No returns on the two.
i buy the used pedals on sweetwater. saves me a few bucks. So i have no problem with people returning them! lol
So afraid to get the “wrong” thing, yet wobbly on what I wanted so didn’t like to be pinned down. I swallowed the ocean, asked a trillion questions, went out to five visits, created spreadsheets, wanted help with my spreadsheets … and ultimately bought on impulse!
Baxter, your first story about the necks reminded me of shopping for sport coats, after reading up on the internet blogs about how to find good ones: I read that if it fits well you won’t see bunching or rumples or overhang at the shoulder. So I was trying on every coat in the mall, putting my hands on my hips, amd looking at myself in the mirror, then rejecting the coat. My wife was with me so I’d point out to her my “method.” Well … I was in Macy’s and finally the guy who’d been watching me for twenty minutes fo my shoulder technique after I said I didn’t need help couldn’t handle it anymore and walked over. Basically asked me, in politer terms of course, “What on the earth are you doing, that isn’t a thing, people don’t buy coats to stride around with their hands on their hips, of course it crumples, are you on medication?” I explained my great reasoning but listened to his point, and I said yeah what do I know, and to his credit he left me to it. But the next jacket I put on I started cracking up, I realized how ridiculous I’d been! So I had my wife take a few pics of me demonstrating my pose and chalked it up to a little knowledge is a dangerous thing!
At least you could realise you where being a deuche. Sport coats 😂..... Come on now
@@NintenDub LOL - My amp cost so much, I've got a dress code to observe before I play it! Showed up in my T-shirt and it was like, Oh, no buddy!
30+ years shopping in guitar stores I've only exchanged a defective monster cable. When I was 17 I asked the female guitar clerk for help picking a vibrator bar. 😅 She corrected me then directed me to the Washburn Wonder Bar. (No routing required) I was so embarrassed.
I would love to meet the person who returned pedals last week at Casino and triggered these videos lol
I sense that the slight passive-aggressive vibe lurking in this video and other, similar, recent Casino videos is therapeutic for Baxter and Jonathan and I don't begrudge them that one little bit because working in, not to mention owning, a guitar shop has got to be enough to test anyone's humanity.
I'm the same way with the necks. That's the key to my heart
Interestingly, I think I've only returned two pedals over the course of my entire guitar journey. The first was a TC Sentry noise gate that just couldn't handle the level in my Marshall JVM410H's effects loop. I tried everything in terms of messing with dials, etc., but the moment I switched to one of the amp's overdrive channels for a high gain sound, the volume level dropped precipitously, and the guitar sounded digitized. (I ended up getting an ISP Decimator II G-String which handles the JVM's level like a champ.) The second was the Boss SY-1. Killer pedal and I had every intention of keeping it, but they announced the SY-200 literally two days later. Since it's essentially the SY-1 but with the ability to store presets and do midi, the SY-200 fixed my few gripes with the SY-1. I immediately returned the SY-1 and preordered the SY-200, and I couldn't be happier with that decision.
This video was hilarious. One of my greatest fears is becoming the “pedal guy.” I want to cross compare pedals, but I would feel terrible about sending them back. I am for sure the guitar guy though- specializing in neck feel lol.
I have many guitars but zero amps and pedals
I just use a free ampsim and im happy with that. Even for live shows.
Sometimes live I have a modeler rack preamp if I dont wanna use regular computer setup.
I'm the neck guy... *sigh* 1.68 nut, pattern regular.. But honestly, thin necks flair up my arthritis.
For guitars I go strictly by looks. Is it funky? Like that blue one with the German carve on the left, Supro?.
Amps? Ever since hearing "I Hate Banks" by Mojo and Skid, I have wanted a Fender Twin Reverb(electric Gee-tar Amplifier, Ragin' on the Stagin'!!)
Pedals? El cheapo Amazon specials
Don't use Amazon. Bezos has enough money. Shop online, but buy direct from the store. Most stores have great online shopping policies.
These guys, making an excellent case for buying gear online!
You guys should do one about bridges. Kahler vs Floyd. "Upgraded" versions of the strat bridge and the tune o matic. Tbh I've been done considering getting a Kahler and just getting one put in my guitar. Sure flutter is cool. Kinda weak in the wailing department.
I’ve held on to pedals that didn’t make it on to my board for 8 years because I hadn’t figured out what to do with it in conjunction with my rig. Eventually the rig changes and it fits.
“Amp Guy”!
Still a little bit “Guitar Guy”
and at a full Centaur gallop towards being a “Pedal Guy”
I think this just goes to accentuate the neuroticism we, kind of, must possess of some form or another in order to even BE returning (to the hobby... not of our purchases) guitar enthusiasts.
May I add to the selection of typecast?
Only from the perspective of the (jnsignificant) outsider/non-guitarists because I have to hear about it ALL the flipping time....
Apparently... it makes no sense to me, clearly... but, apparently, "hoarding"... of them ALL (Amps, Guitars AND Pedals... AND ALL the peripheral accessories and necessities we require... it REALLY can be quite a great deal!) is an annoyance to friends and family members.
Personally... I simply regard it as collecting-of and investing-in something which I love more than little else. However, I guess I can see/understand matters from their perspective.
I'm not about to change... but merely understand.
"Covered in velcro" LOL
EH B4 - had it for years…every once in a while I pull it out of the box and see if I was wrong about it…
I bought the positive grid spark thinking I would love it. I played it in the store. I borrowed one. It just sits there most of the time. Not what I really wanted or needed. I'll let my son use it.
Now I need to find another living room amp. Dang the bad luck
I'm shopping for a Les Paul style guitar now and I'm very concerned about its neck profile. Last year a bought an Epiphone SG Classic and it has what I'd call a D neck (Epiphone calls it a 60s slim taper) which is a pretty radical change from the Fender C necks I'm used to. It just doesn't fill my hand and it's uncomfortable for my usual playing grip. But I bought it for playing slide guitar so it's fine for that because i use a thumb on the back of the neck grip when playing slide. The guitar I'm looking at now (an Epiphone Les Paul Classic) has a "Slim Taper" neck and none of the guitar shops in my area have one in stock. So, I had to go to the big shop in my area, try out different guitars and look up which neck they had to see if it's the same profile as the one I'm looking at buying. I have the same problem with pickups but the other way round. I had to find a guitar with pickups I liked then look up online which other models have those same pickups. I know guitar shops can't keep every model of every brand in stock. But I'd hate to make them order a guitar special for me and then, when it arrives, I don't like it. So yeah, I guess I'm the annoying guitar guy. 🥴
When it comes to gear, I don't discriminate - I love it all.😀😀
Hey I watch you guys and love what you do how do I start something like a guitar shop or store like what you have?
All you have to do is watch some amp repair videos. Incredible how many of those $2K to $3K amps are made with the same low price cheap components as $500 or less amps. It's all about how the circuits & board handle the amps heat dispersion.
U shaped necks really are God's gift to those of us with big hands...
“It’s an Ovation, it’s okay” 🤣
Love a soft "V" neck
I will play a guitar briefly to make sure it makes sound, but I either use a headphone amp or a store amp on very low volume. I have done the "neck feel" thing when I'm simply browsing. I do prefer a fat neck, but a shredder neck is the only type I won't buy.
I, too love amps and I have a lot of low power and/or cheap amps. I've got 17 altogether of various makes, but have never paid over $400 US for an amp. One is solid state, one has a tube preamp and SS power and the rest are all tubes.
I have about 40 pedals, but I mainly just collect them so I have something of every type. Except tremolo - I have 4 or 5 of those.
I'm an enthusiast and I get enthusiastic, but I don't go into a store and rant about tubes vs SS, even though tubes are my preference. I just like to talk about gear. I'm likely annoying because I tend to talk too much and take up too much of an employee's time 😁
P.S. Could you move that awesome Ibanez over one guitar to Baxter's left? No pressure or any thing.
(Love the channel. I'm 68 and still feel the ohh ahh that comes with holding a guitar. )
Lordy, lordy, I was a teen age neck grabber also. I have landed some mighty fine guitars and many that work better as kindling, following that method. These days I have a variety of contours and what ever that other thing is. They are guitars and can do no wrong. Like grandchildren. . . behave or this kid over here will be my favorite.
Off the top of my head, I’d say I’m the “humbucker snob” 😂 I basically won’t consider anything with single coils. I do own a Strat that was a gift from an uncle, and don’t get me wrong, I love hearing others play them, but for my own preferences I just always go with buckers. Hopefully that’s not TOO annoying tho. I just think of it as knowing what I like 🤷♂️🤘
You didn't cover it, but I fall into a category that I feel like ha to be out there. As soon as I buy something I love it and love the sound and before I even know it I'm looking to rewire and change the caps and resistor to do this other sound.
4 of my 30 guitars are not modified lol
yeah I agree with the pedals. i’m 20 n built my first board this year. i’ve pretty novice, but i’ve only tested used pedals. I leave it up
to chance and am haven’t been let down, and I have like 15 now ☠️
*and I haven’t been*
I’m with Jonathan - ridiculous focus on tiny imperfections - get over it, play and be happy - those scars are what passes for a life well lived, hopefully
Baxter, see if you can get hold of a Ashton Viper 30. They are an Australian clone of an AC30 that doesn’t sound like an AC30. That are old now. So it is a flea market find.
It is a great amp for nearly no money.
I stopped buying pedals. I'm all amps and nice guitars from now on. I did return a Heritage H150 artisan aged in exchange for m Magnatone Varsity Reverb. I was honest with Sweetwater and the whole process was good. I was torn between the guitar and amp and opted for the guitar but after playing it for 2 days I knew I made a mistake. Great guitar but I'm stoked about the amp. That's the first time I've ever returned anything. Habitual returners suck
Not to mention the one's who buy on Friday, gig it on Saturday, return it on Monday a$$holes.
I am a habitual neck grabber. There. I said it. But that's honestly how I bond with guitars. I have played guitars that sound nice but turn me off bc they don't inspire me when in my hands. I have also played guitars that sound so so but feel great, and I honestly feel like I still manage to play those better. I don't focus on actual specs, but if I play the neck and it I don't vibe with it, I probably wont ever connect with the guitar.
I'm the capo guy. I have to try every capo out on every concievable style of guitar and ukulele in the store. Usually, I'll return it a day or two later.
I'm sort of a combination of all three, but I definitely have more pedals than guitars or amps.
I'm the deal guy. If I think it's a deal, I'm buying. If it's not a deal, I'm not buying, no matter how much I love it.
I've never returned a pedal... I just resell it and eat the difference (unless there is a problem with the pedal). The retailers can't usually sell used gear for the same as new. Can't see having someone else pick up the tab for my own indecisiveness.
I cannot say I fall into ANY of these categories. For guitars I am usually more inclined to play the ones that spark my interest. Neck Size, Body shape, it doesn't matter if the guitar looks interesting or I have heard something about it.
Amps? I cannot bring myself to play them past 2. Especially if the shop is crowded. That doesn't stop the guy who sits NEXT to me from cranking it up to 10 and giving his own little rock concert though(THOSE are the annoying people I wish shop employees would say something to. You want to hear it, great, but 20 mins of all your favorite licks on 5 or 10?!? Yeesh!)
Pedals? I think I have returned one in my entire life. It was a Boss Vocorder that a Guitar Center lied about the condition of and I just could not get on with it. I think I had it maybe 3 hours before I drove to my local GC to return it(It was an online purchase). Mostly my attitude is, if I dont like it after x amount of time, I trade it in and get one I do like. I consider the lost money a rental fee. >:)
I have NEVER returned an amp(I have the same amp problem you guys have!) and have only returned a few guitars due to buyers remorse after, again, maybe a day? Even less probably. I hate doing it so it really has to be something DRASTIC.
Heres the one thing I see as annoying concerning guitars that I try to NEVER do in a shop. I know the more expensive guitars are usually hanging up higher than the more affordable ones. I will NEVER ask to just "play" one of those unless I am SERIOUSLY considering buying it! I know what a pain it is to get it, drag it down and then have to put it back. Sometimes it cannot be helped(I want to buy it but cannot at this second, but I want to know its worth saving up for), but I try to avoid it if it can be helped.
I am a "neck guy," for a very good reason. I can't play a seven or nine-inch radius fretboard for any length of time, as it aggravates my arthritis. A thick, rounded neck makes it worse. So, yes, I check the roundness of the neck and the radius of the fretboard, early on, before I can "fall in love" with how a guitar looks, or even try it out. Why be disappointed when I know I could never own the thing, since playing it for hours would hurt me?
My problem is that it takes a few days before I realize I really don’t like a pedal. I’ve been stuck with two dogs.
I've only recently gotten into pedals. Drive pedals specifically. It's annoying. I annoy myself. My OCD (not the pedal) is in "overdrive." The first step is admitting you have a problem.
To fully evaluate Freddy’s you need to get a burger, fries *and a shake* or other form of custard
Talk to an amp builder and they will enlighten you on why certain tube amps are expensive.
Yep I am the neck guy fret ends to be more specific if the guitar is a butcher it's done even though I know can be fixed by myself a few minutes LoL good one Guy's
We get it Baxter...you don't like returns!
i love the 65 deluxe setting on my fender champion 20. im not sure if the real version is worth 10x more
it is. Honestly the handwired version is worth it over the PCB version too.
bakers dozen of guitars here, last an Epi FB.....complicated....a few amps here.
Pedal board, pretty full but all in with the DS-1..It's like an old somebody....
I’m a neck grabber, tube lover and pedal hoarder. But if a new guitar has a ding I won’t care, if the neck is great.
I brought my whole rig to guitar center yesterday to test out some pedals. It’s important to me that it sounds good with amp and guitar because they are the most important thing to me. Everything else is extra.
Pretty rare bird haha good on you but unless it's vintage guitar center has a great return policy so pedals I take it home and play and if I don't vibe it goes back.
@@Impractical_Engineer my local guitar center isn’t great so I go to the nicer one about 25 miles away. As much as I love spending money on guitar gear, gas in a Nissan Titan isn’t fun lol.
I get a kick out of guys that try pedals out but aren't using their gear to try it in a store. And then they complain because it doesn't sound the same🤦♂️
What's the light blue guitar to the left of your head (from my perspective) please?
Reasonably noob to this. Looked for pedals to get "the sound" to find out a Boss OD-3 and a BD-2 as a ProCo RAT cover everything I looked for. Pretty straight forward (but nice) pedals.
Can we do an annoying music store employee one. You know the guys that order you the wrong stuff. Even after you're painfully specific. Ah but I'm in Canada and long and mcquade is staffed by 20 year olds.
Krull. Lol. How awful would it be to know the day and hour of your death. I have definitely been all three categories. I’m in the end of my pedal phase right now. But I definitely lapse into my amp or guitar phase at times. I have definitely been a neck grabber too lol
Just jumped on reissue of the marshall gov'nor..😁🤫🎸..cuz...who wouldn't?! Lol
Have you ever considered doing an episode on letting your cohost get a word in edgewise?
Not everyone feeling a neck is judging the profile/how it plays. I do that specifically to feel frets ends and the lacquer feel. Those have to pass in order to want to take it off the hook... nothing to do with profile or how it plays per se... exact same guitar beside it might be fine.
same but only with lacquer feel ;D
Do you get more time to return a delay pedal?
Maybe a video for Noobs that are totally lost in Shop and they go in there trying to figure stuff out but as soon as the first sales associate approaches them they bolt because they are so inexperienced they are afraid to be embarassed. I still go through that because I dont want to reveal how much I suck so I dont try amps, I cant play anything on a guitar so I pluck one string at a time. I could go on and on but as a retailer I know people with $$ are walking out due to a lack of confidence.
My wife used to laugh at me as I wandered around GC Hollywood, feeling necks. She didn't laugh as much when we were in the Vintage Room?
I wish I could like this twice.
I know a guy who's bought and sold the same model overdrive pedal 4 different times.