The 2020 Holberg Debate with John Bolton & Yanis Varoufakis: “Is Global Stability A Pipe Dream?”
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- At the 2020 Holberg Debate, Amb. John Bolton and Member of the Hellenic Parliament Yanis Varoufakis discussed current threats to regional and global stability. The debate took place on 5 December and was chaired from Bergen, Norway.
The Holberg Debate is an annual event organised by the Holberg Prize. The debate is inspired by Ludvig Holberg's Enlightenment ideas and aims to explore pressing issues of our time.
The Holberg Prize is an international reserach prize awarded annually to scholars who have made outstanding contributions to research in the humanities, social sciences, law or theology. The Prize was established by the Norwegian government in 2003 and is administered by the University of Bergen.
PROGRAM
00:48 Welcome by moderator Scott Gates, Professor of Political Science at the University of Oslo
06:15 Ambassador John Bolton opening statement
19:58 Professor Yanis Varoufakis opening statement
39:10 The Holberg Debate starts
01:51:12 Q&A
02:18:00 Ambassador John Bolton closing remarks
02:20:02 Professor Yanis Varoufakis closing remarks
ABOUT THE 2020 HOLBERG DEBATE
At the 2020 Holberg Debate we were joined via videolink by two top speakers who have both been important policy makers at crucial times in their respective countries: Member of the Hellenic Parliament and former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis and Ambassador John Bolton (US), former National Security Advisor and US Ambassador to the UN. Moderator for the event is Scott Gates, Professor of Political Science at the University of Oslo (UiO), as well as Guest Researcher at UiO’s Department of Economics and Research Professor at Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO).
PHOTO CREDITS: Yanis Varoufakis. Photo: Olaf Kosinsky (kosinsky.eu) via Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 3.0). John Bolton. Photo: Gage Skidmore via Wikimedia Commons CC BY-SA 3.0)
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Don't miss the 2023 Holberg Debate on December 2. Anil Seth, Tanya Luhrmann and Rupert Sheldrake will debate the question: "Does Consciousness Extend Beyod Brains?" czcams.com/video/ofSUaZOW9h8/video.html
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George Santos will make a good subject.
Bolton, whatabout stop Israel
I don't think we should dismiss John altogether , he is stating the official US stance ; also don't underestimate China- China steals technology and has a terrible environmental records- Our disdain for big business should not blind us from the damage that China does - what we need is a balance for the world sake between the US and China - because if anyone of them goes down - there will be Chaos.
Essentially, Varoufakis sounds like a proper scholar possessed of a wonderful understanding of post-19th-century history, whereas Bolton sounds like a crank hellbent on war.
Bolton is a,war,criminal. He should be responsible for the death of hundred of thousand Iraqis and american
Yeah Bolton’s reputation in America is as a war hawk..
They butchered his last name so many times
Bolton: We need to keep threatening people that we'll punch them in the face.
Veroufakis: You've already punched certain groups of people in the face...repeatedly!!! Subsequently, people behave quite badly and dysfunctionally when you punch them in the face. Perhaps, we need to find a way where we stop punching people in the face. Otherwise, you're stuck in a never ending conflict where possible progress is awlays stifled. Unless you're a large stock holder in defense contractors or a compete duplicitous psychopath, I fail to see how your argument is in any way functional.
Bolton: But people behave badly when they're punched in the face. Therefore, we need to keep punching people in the face.
Veroufakis: Idiot
@@thunderpooch yes seriously.. great breakdown. Bolton imagines himself to be Christian too-yet he can’t support the first fundamental logic of _breaking the chain._ He’s an American nationalist Armageddonist seeking violence.
Bolton: How can we win the game for the U.S. elite.
Varoufakis: How can we get to a more harmonious world.
100% spot on!!
@@GrandmaCathy Great summarizing
who is the US elite? I think US elite is same as global elite. They're friendly to each other and use mainstream media to create infighting on everyone else.
The problem is that you can't have a harmonious world as long as you have human nature. Thats an utopian pipedream.
@@kungfreddie I see the problem as people who brandish the word "utopia" as a weapon. Just because you can't have a perfect world doesn't mean you can't have a better world.
It's shocking how lawyers turn politicians like Mr. Bolton knows so little about world affairs, yet attaining high offices in US. Just left me speechless.
the problems lies within the system. politics is all about legislation, but not only that, even the free market, science and creative industry is a legal minefield. it gets harder and harder to navigate the world without the deep knowledge of the legal system.
WRONG. Bolton was never a lawyer. Only a diplomat.
What makes you think he doesn't know?
It's simple. Because they don't have to decide anything. They just have to administer what few, unelected, wealthy people decide. It's that simple.
They know more than it seems, they just don't care about people.
I didn't think I could hate Bolton anymore than I already did. Then I listened to this whole debate.
The man is so single minded. He is an excellent stooge for capitalism.
When Bolton said "Americans enjoy economic security" my drink shot through my nose 😐
It shows his utter cluelessness about the reality that the US is becoming a failed state.
Ditto.
I literally gagged.
You guys don't understand, Bolton is correct, he and his buddies do enjoy great economic security. What, maybe a few million of them? The Big Club.
The remainder of America, Bolton and his ilk could not give a flying hoot! Let them eat cake! They don't count, they don't matter. czcams.com/video/FeLLR3LWtv4/video.html
@@N1755L they don't even let us keep our own cake lol. They wrench cakes from poor people so they can mock is while they eat it.
Whatever Bolton says I take the opposite view.
because he sells war, violence, destruction, and death. he sells bads! not goods.
Ha, clever and too true!
Everything he said about China's behavior was objectively true. You can question the logic of what he argues should be the response, but the things he referenced are not up for debate.
He is the greatest threat to humanity.
@@zacharybiehler1092 There is nothing objective about Bolton’s views.
Yanis Varoufakis is a very brilliant man, clear thoughts, inspiring.
This was like pitting a sea cucumber against the oracle.
😮😅😂
I saw the title of this video with no context after falling asleep with my laptop running. I was so afraid Varoufakis might be seeing something good in Bolton.
Yanis showing us again why he’s one of the brightest and lucid minds of the 21st century
He's a comedian
@@WTF3585 Theres nothing funny about Bolton!
@@lauramartin5579 in reality, there is nothing funny about either of them, both dangerous clowns
@@WTF3585 You must have watched a very different debate to me. What has Varoufakis said that you consider threatening or dangerous?
@@lauramartin5579 he's a MP in my country, it's not so much this particular debate (any clown can reply to the absolute dumbassery of Bolton), it's what he's done to my country as Finance Minister and what he and his massive ego would do if he ever gets any sort of power again (which is highly unlikely)
Bolton really comes across as a raving, war-mongering lunatic.
In a sane world he would be on trial for crimes against humanity.
He is basically an actor - from the framed documents on the wall behind him to give him an air of legitimacy, to his glasses he keeps touching to appear intelligent. He always has props and speaks in ways to instill fear. I was glad for this debate because he was shown in the bright light what a truly dim bulb he is.
He is.
That's right john bolton is a maniac , a madman lunatic !!! Thank who ever this crazy rapture Lunatic is no longer in government or near it , well for now ..as usa never ever runs out of bloodthirsty PHYCOTIC LUNATICS...( Wished they would give him ..A tin hat and a gun and SEND Him Away to the WAR )) Bolton has just put me off dinner ...what a degenerate cold cold bastard he his ...always has been ..but Notice people these CRAZY REPTILIAN, NUTTERS ,always seem to have long life's no real health problems ..No worries about money ...WHY SO ...it's these degenerates who should leave this planet ...in pain if I had my way ...Just saying ...
@@kenjack6674for the latter part of the 20th century the US saw itself as holders of the candle of the light of democracy, and spreaders of freedom. Since George W Bush gained power and sought to exploit parts of the world for selfish advantage and limited use, Obama engaged in arrogant "nation-building" while ignoring the complexity of Arab societies(also sending drones to attack families around the globe and spying on Americans), and Trump going around embarrassing everything American in my mind are part of what taint the water and cause rage in the world towards John Bolton.
Yanis' view on the global instability is immensely insightful and convincing. It is such a privilege to be able to gain such great knowledge free on the internet for free.
Bolton is a clown and not sure why Varoufakis would even bother with him.
Bush guys tend to constantly refill whatever administration in washington
I was thinking the same thing. I guess he was invited & couldn't resist another opportunity to get his message out.
Because Varoufakis is trying to reach out to as many people as possible. The leftwing view is marginal because the media does not want people to know about it, leftists should follow Yanis example and take whatever change we can get to reach a wider audience.
I'm at a loss as to why anyone bothers with him or his loathsome, hypocritical government.
Dialogue can lead to change.
When Bolton starts off describing China at the start, I thought he was describing the US.
exactly my thought too
Ha, I was going to say that too
China definitely has done worse things over the last century and is worse for the world overall in my view
GZERO World. There, still counting:
www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051
@@zeissiez This list included all deaths in every single war that the US had any involvement with whatsoever, regardless of how limited. Terrible list.
John Bolton talks about various threats to US security, but he completely missed the greatest threat, namely, John Bolton himself.
The fact that professor Varoufakis has become as notable as he has is proof that capitalism as we know it is in its death throws. People are actively seeking alternative which scares the hell out of the corporate elites.
The stupidity people like you bring into this world 🌍 is painful… Jesus Christ lady
Capitalism is the best way to go. If you think is not is because you are looking at only communism, where it only benefits the elite. Capitalism benefits every one.
That's terrible logic.
the world has never been better. the poor has never been richer. you speak of proof, what proof? tell me one Marxist country that has ever worked? I live in Norway, we sell oil. we find new oil fields all the time, we will have oil for at least the next 50 years, tell me a non capitalistic country that will be here in the next 50 years? Wakanda?
Being "notable" is a curious and lazy proxy to measure the merit of one's arguments. It’s a pretty low bar for “proof.” I’m not sure I would even call it “evidence”-perhaps “suggestion,” “indication,” or just “hint.” If two notable people disagree, how do you decide between them? Hopefully by the evidence, or if too complex, deferral to someone who has established their willingness to pore through the evidence. Or have you not pushed yourself enough in becoming informed to notice how much that happens?
Such a proxy is a little like Trump measuring the value of someone's intellect or of their ideas by how much they're on TV, or of Bush basing his decision as to whether intel is merely bureaucratic CYA or desperately important on how sheepish and apologetic the message boy was who disturbed him during his vacation.
I don't pick my religion based on which one is most popular in the city I grew up in. Do you?
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, but populism gives it a run for its money. To Varoufakis's credit, he contrasts the quality of Marx's observations with the feebleness of his remedies. However, in his impressionistic way of speaking, he indulges in upvote-winning bashing of the most powerful country (for now; it's nothing new--Britain got the lion's share of criticism when its empire saw no sunset) in the same way Bolton is alleged by several commenters here to simplistically demonize the four main adversaries of NATO and the Pacific Rim. Bolton speaks of mutually beneficial trade what Varoufakis tries to frame as a zero-sum game. I'm having the same response to him as I did to Rush Limbaugh: buying one of his books to find out how careful his arguments really are.
Yanis wiped the floor with Bolton, just different leagues in terms of intellectual acumen.
He is a humble giant
I came away with the same conclusion. One is a true intellectual. The other is a war mongerer.
There is no way Bolton is Yanis' intellect.
Mr. Weapons of Mass Destruction.
It felt almost as if Bolton was a student trying to make sense of lecture that was above his knowledge base and intelectual capacity!
Yanis has poetry in his soul, Bolton has neither poetry nor soul.
What a beautiful way of putting it - you must be a poet!
Dear Antoine, can I please add 'grace' and 'poise' to your characterisation of Yanis ?
Of course you can. 👊
Lol I couldn't stop laughing dude.
Spot on !
The intellectual gulf between the Professor and the former Ambassador in the opening shots is immense. Vivem that this American technocrat has been influential in world affairs is scary in he least.
He is blissfully dismissive of America's crimes of tormenting instability around the world.
When the gentleman spoke of surveillance state and largest incarcerated population, I genuinely thought he was speaking of the United States, Orwell would be embarrassed that even he could not dream up such conditions as the US government has been able to impose.
hahaah I was surprised no one pointed the irony of that out either for exactly the same reason, america is a soviet surveillance states wet dream
Bolton was hilariously out of his depth here. Embarrassing.
Yanis crushed it, as usual.
Hmmmm
The foreign lad was painful to listen to. Did he even make a point?
The marxist crushed it?
Boy has the left gone far left.
@@chriscebu2254 Bolton called him Marxist, people stopped listening. Mission accomplished. It's super easy to convince people to stop thinking :)
Bolton tried to shame his oponent coming out of the gate. But all the facts he calls are very much disputed and frankly he apperes to me like a scared dog that snappes at everything. Varoufakis is a crafter. You dont have to agree but you can not help to respect him.
Bolton war war war. Yanis intelligence, strategy, economy. Bolton war war war. Makes me sad.
Too egos to be pampered
And how is that economic strategy working for Ukraine? Ain't gonna do shit against China either
It's the poor that fought the rich man war for Bolton war war war = money money money at the expense of the working class
A word to Prof. Varoufakis: I am from Hong Kong. I have travelled to China repeatedly since I left Hong Kong in 1990. I worked as a Journalist when I was in Hong Kong.
I saw with my own eyes that there is MORE freedom in Hong Kong NOW than we had prior to 1997. I've lived in both worlds and swear that there is no unnecessary abuse of human rights in Hong Kong. Hong Kong almost fell from a rule based society to a chaotic inhuman state after the people was befuddled into believing that a simple law amendment would mean the end of the world. I believe that the US was the instigator of the two failed colour revolutions.
Bolton should be allowed to give his response to Varoufakis's strategy of a new Bretton Woods!! He shouldn't be shielded from having to reveal his total lack of new ideas and perspective.
Prof Varoufakis identified problems, offered analysis and provided solutions. Bolton babbled.
2 different leagues.
So do most republican Americans
No he didn't, he fails to even understand the threat of China to the world. Just year later and look whats happening with Russia
Bolton appeared as a classic American hawk from past cold war times. Yanis is a global hope for the future. It is an easy choice.
What hope? He fails to even address china's threat to the word
@@JaneDoe-hk9kj Which is?
@@SvetlanaRakhim neither exists you goofball
He is a disgusting war criminal. He should be in jail.
Neither one gives a good goddamn about you. Yano’s even says you won’t have value even as a slave in the near future. I hope you’re first . I’m retired. It’s no longer a problem for me stupid. When you’re homeless and starving I hope “Yanis is a globalist”keeps you warm stupid. The real problem is they BOTH THINK YOU ARE A USELESS BUG.
Yanis SO nailed the issue. His understanding of economics, world order, politics, etc is amazing. We want world leaders like him. Dollar is form of colonisation, assuming inadvertently, and this has to be changed. Bolton is so painful to listen to- he is so light on specifics - and attitude wise belongs to dark ages. Amazed he led US on some fronts. The moderator is so skewed towards Bolton- thanks to Yanis for making this video watchable.
Thank you Mr Varoufakis. This is how I see it. As for Mr Bolton...don't get me started....either totally ignorant or evil, or both, one lie after another.
Mr Varoufakis is a beautiful human being....we need more real men like him running this world. Brave brilliant man, thank you.
43:19 "Varou-fu-nakis"
The patience from Varoufakis for this blowhard who didn't even take the time to learn his name is enviable. Bravo, Yanis. Much love and solidarity from the American Midwest.
The name butchering is cringe worthy. I bet he is used to it though. 😂
Amen. This moderator was a clown.
The guy was the lead negotiator for Greece during the EUs imposition of austerity, he’s experienced FAR worse I’m sure. He knows how to deal with dishonest psychos
@@lawsonj39 In fact awful
Yanis Varoufakis is a real breath of fresh air on the political scene
No I am from Greece and he is a far left idiot.
@@Georgios1821 no i am from Greece too and you are a political idiot...he is a demonised for just speaking the truth...and for not complying with the destruction of Greece as planned by the eu
@WheezinTheJuice what are u talking about? What socialism are u kidding?
@WheezinTheJuice From "Adults in the Room", its made clear that he resigned from his position as Finance Minister precisely out of frustration that he COULDN'T implement any of his main ideas.
@WheezinTheJuice lmfao you think socialism is to blame for Greece's troubles??? 🤣🤣🤣
I couldn’t stop laughing hearing John Bolten. When he said Putin is playing a weak hand, I spilt my coffee laughing.
Paid experts are paid to give expertise to everything the money wants. That’s called corruption and it’s common in so called science for centuries.
"So-called science?"
@@dansonoflightning2277 thats what i wrote. So called science. Any problem with this?
@@dansonoflightning2277so called because science is not meant to have an agenda.
I don't think we should dismiss John altogether , he is stating the official US stance ; also don't underestimate China- China steals technology and has a terrible environmental records- Our disdain for big business should not blind us from the damage that China does - what we need is a balance for the world sake between the US and China - because if anyone of them goes down - there will be Chaos.
It was quite surprising to read the comments, after watching this “debate”, in which i wasn’t expecting such a unanimous recognition that Varufakis swept the floor with an ivy league grad. BTW if The Holberg Prize really wants to organize such events in the future then it should reexamine the format it implemented for this “debate”. If it is called a debate then allow the debaters to “go at each other”. Perhaps the current format was a way to draw attention away from the fact that they invited one “debater” who is from the heavyweight category while the other is in the flyweight.
Having watched the whole thing, I can only conclude that Bolton is shockingly dumb, or he is genuinely taking the piss. Top marks for Varoufakis for not sighing at him, even once. He was magnanimity personified.
@Michael Garcia Calling someone stupid isn't an argument. If you want to add something valuable to the debate then actually provide rebuts and arguments, otherwise it would be more valuable if you would keep your lazy "opinions" to yourself.
@@gallectee6032 Your comment embodies the very argumentative strategy that it purports to criticize.
@@gallectee6032. Well said.
@@gallectee6032 You missed the point: with a guy like Bolton, argument is nonsensical. Just enjoy the creative insults section.
@@lawsonj39 No it doesn't. The incentive of their comments was to ad hominem, while mine was to point theirs out in order to create a discussion. This cancerous insult based comment section doesn't help anyone.
Lol, John Bolton was completely outmatched by Yanis and reduced to just to smear him as a "Marxist" as if that's an insult.
It was in 1970s america which is where bolton is permantly stuck in his mind.
Eh.. for any thinking person marxist is an insult yes. But I understand that it isn't for marxist. But who cares what marxist says? They have been a joke since the fall of the ussr. If you take economic and political advise from a 200 yrs old philosopher, that was such a failure he lived on welfare from his rich family, u should never be in charge of either.
And any state that have tried marxism in the last 100 yrs have failed and ppl got out of them if they could. If marxism is so great why do they always need to keep their ppl in with the force of guns, while western liberal capitalism need to keep ppl OUT with guns. Maybe you should think of that.
@@kungfreddie Sorry, not all of us share what you take. But avoid being trapped by own mindset is always a challenge to everyone.
@@kungfreddie you don't know what marxism is
@@kungfreddie 9/11/1973 - maybe you should think of that, then you might realize what a one dimensional manchild you appear to be
For 4 decades China has risen peacefully without firing a single shot so what are you claiming?
14:40 "The rogue states of the world... The troublemakers"
I wonder if the US would fall into this category? Was the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses conducive towards global stability? The biggest elephant in the room of this entire 2.5hr discussion: Does the US predeliction for military intervention present a threat to global security? Of course, this question is not suitable for polite society.
Shocking how Bolton knows so little about economics and yet wielded so much global power.
it pays to brown your nose, it shows.
He knows absolutley nothing! 🤣
@YT No one? Seems like you're one of them.
@YT he's a maniac. You must be American if you think he's on the spectrum of intelligent opinion
Well as much as I dislike him, I will actually agree with him. Anyone who fails to condem china is simply not on the right side of history
John Bolton has a hammer, and he's not going to let anyone convince him the world isn't made of nails.
Yeah I think his hammer is "Gold Plated" - If u look closely at Bolton's mustash it spells out the word - WAR...
@@akhalif68 👍
Well said!
Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahajajajjahahajajah
Whereas Yannis has a hammer and a sickle. Two false alternatives. The goal posts are positioned as Hegel lines up for his free-kick.
Thanks to prof. Yanis' highly respectful intellectual insights on economics for earth with substance meaningful historical perspective proposal to how we may build a better shared future together with a systematic stability by design
Yanis wins this one. Thank you Yanis.
Does Bolton realise he's not talking to a committee of the U.S.congress?
His myopia is blatant.
Why can't we call a warcriminal warcriminal?
Which rule is that?
it's the one Yanis often mentions, "the strong do as they will, and the weak suffer what they must"
Dont forget that Bolton is a "Washington Insider" as well as a "Neocon"...Sadly this provides him & others like him a protective blanklet against being prosecuted & put in prison.
@Grozaaïmid And a Plato´s retreat client, which I am not to going to judge, remember Jesus? aA long as you don't press your own wife to go there. That is the N.Y way, no wonder Tump heeds from there too. Think of Bolton as a failed Trump, much more articulate, for sure which in the US of these days is a minus -and if it were a big deal, to be more articulate than Bozo.
Varoufakis is extremely knowledgeable and gets his point across very effectively.
‘ the worst way of being poor is poverty surrounded by wealth ‘ Yanis
"Socialism for the few, austerity for the many."
My hope "is that we do not make a desert and call it stability."
Yanis is so excellent.
Bolton has no shame or honor.
but first... allow me to destroy your gallery.
Calgacus a tribal chieftan from scotland said that about the Romans, they make a desert and call it peace
I agree with you Ongo, Socialism for the 1% elite and austerity for the middle class and radical poverty at the bottom. What the Neo-liberalism has accomplished for over 40 years was creating a wideness and tremendous inequality.
Bolton | *Chicken Hawk* | same old garbage of U.S. exceptionalism, condescension of pointing the finger at everyone else and how they have to change...
Varoufakis | A New Brenton Woods!!! | an excellent suggestion; with the benefit of being engaging and welcomes all-comers
Oh, btw - nine I I was NO surprise --> czcams.com/video/TBFKtRkDdeY/video.html if you haven't seen this, *you should* ; it's about 2hrs long.
Settle down, crazy cat lady.
A student from the university wrote an article that he didnt want Bolton to be given a platform (As expected). I'm glad he was given a chance to show how stupid and/or/ evil he is.
Yes free speech! Ideas need to be tested.
Hell what this creature has in his mind? Is he a human being?
@@46amv Probably not, he was a member of US cabinet x)
Cutting the free speech of your opponent is the worst strategy you can do. You can make it worse by using violence. It is your credibility that is at stake, not your opponent’s.
Pitifully a representing politician of the US of whom are desperately exporting instability and crisis to the world like there's no tomorrow.
It’s unfortunate that the ambassador was unable to provide suggestions on how to
Deal with China in the future. The professor gave concrete suggestions on how to deal with China in the future. Bolton was on the attack mode Varoufakis was on a diplomatic mode. Throughout the debate on a few occasions the professor had to educate the ambassador on history. Yanis Varoufakis
ad a better understanding of global issues and solutions. The US could regain its global positive influence by readopting the Breton woods program that it managed so well after the war. Everyone would win.
I'm guessing Bolton never dared enter a debate with Yanis Varoufakis ever again after this. Completely humiliated by an intellect far - FAR - superior to his own.
Varoufakis wiped the floor with Bolton, I wasn’t surprised.
champagner socialism... meets a buerocrath looking like the brith retired generl - waiting for his afternoontea... he wants to show that his brain is not yet the new rust belt... on the other side... bolton goes always on the side of the brutal simple power... this not even needs intellect... but acedemia subvertd discours - postmodern... meets in eu after the won election - the dancing congress of corruptes... they say yes yes to everything... but then they show the competition of negotiations in the night... the winner always merkel... wonderdrugs? The whole victory in Athen was over ... end to open society... webster tarpley drumbeated for this grassroot lett pary... every week with his radio programm.... and again and again - as if obama himselve in white house had fun to listen to his advises... arab spring fiction ... began in turkey to bring erdogan to his knees.. guelen cia project muslem brotherhood wing involved... erdogan knows the gang of neocons - bolton is one outhang of... scince desert storm - where they made him false promises - turkey as major factor in stability of the region... got as usual asskicked... easy to outsmart the messianists on the streets - and open society... spain... same thing happened... and so on... in syria.. tarpley went though the whole region, spoke even with Assad... and opened a lot of eyes for the agenda and whats behind... tarpley had a solution for the usa - and the black holes in depth hanging over... roosevelts new deal.. but not that upside down thing with the green new deal... separate the business banks from the hedgefonds and the so called finance industry... all what was poosible when usa was on the run to be part of second world war... dy out for the moneyjunkies... on his hight he fought against the narratives of maidan... under impression of worldwar three danger... his then intellectual suicide took place, when the eu smashed the winners of the election in greece... oh... part of nato... this was never possible... and he finally showd the intellectual for total hire... some female democrat activists young... gave him the advices.. blitzher - warmonger with roots in israel... in every critcal situation on cnn... to see.. called by him wuld..... the whole impeachment playbook was from tarpley... not fit for office - and especially the nuclear football.. even separate woman of Trump as not qualified for first lady.. and so on... even the insane methods hitlary first female candidate... would take on russian president and the cold war agenda... with gametheory and the play of poker or two cars driving with highspeed to the abyss... power play... the winner jumps out last... there are mathformulas out for it.... In every case.. the looser gets blamed for all the damage... this was - the intellectual suicide - or the pact with the devil of tarpley... showed the endless naivity of these academic clowns... from households of the olligarchs... appeasement for them without jobs.... eu comission - at this time under the drinker.... and other corruptes protected via immunity from criminal prosecuciton.... refused to do something... even if in the lands the administations changed like in german weimar republic... simple answer... out of chaos.. this is not their policy.. europen integration though the wanderr - saison worker... short time later - this agenda was turned into hardball.. Völkerwanderung kicked in - the bankstas with their failed state agenda... began the quickening of their final plans... on search of the ideal slave of the future...
2:04:50 "I regret to this day that we weren't able to overthrow the Maduro government." Straight up arrogance of a war monger.
What a sociopathic war mongerer, he imposed several sanctions and forced the international community to also sanction Venezuela then goes on to say "the Venezuelan people have suffered too much by the Maduro government" as if he didn't contribute hugely to their sufferance
Bolton | *Chicken Hawk* | same old garbage of U.S. exceptionalism, condescension of pointing the finger at everyone else and how they have to change...
Varoufakis | A New Brenton Woods!!! | an excellent suggestion; with the benefit of being engaging and welcomes all-comers
Oh, btw - nine I I was NO surprise --> czcams.com/video/TBFKtRkDdeY/video.html if you haven't seen this, *you should* ; it's about 2hrs long.
I think Prof Varouvakis is brilliant in his analysis and recommendation.
I dont know if I would necessarily agree with Yanis' economic policies and idea(at least not all) but its rather clear he has the more lucid, and educated mind that is less encumbered by bias and the promotion of a particular agenda. Its also abundantly clear that Yanis truly understands world history and what has precipitated over the last 20-30 years specifically, hes been quite the keen observer. What Yanis is arguing for, is the stability of the entire world. What Bolton is arguing for, only has the best interests of a select few in mind. He(Bolton) is arguing for what will lead to the greatest amount of stability, power, and wealth for specifically the people in power in Washington DC, and other ultra wealthy/corporations.
His entire attitude towards foreign policy sounds like someone advocating for endless war(and thats probably because that is EXACTLY what he is interested in, the Military Industrial Complex needs conflict to flourish...and at least half of Congress has stakes or interests in that sector) and not only is not good for the actual people of America, its outright dangerous. And there is ample evidence that proves what Bolton is arguing for, IS dangerous, the last 20 years of US foreign policy is a shining example of that...and this is coming from someone who was born and raised in the US. If you require further proof, there is no better proof than the current state of geopolitics in November 2022.
The entire Ukraine conflict is something that has been pushed and essentially manufactured by the US meddling in Ukraine(both in terms of US politicians seeking profits there, and in the coup the US helped formulate in 2014 that then led to the insertion of the Pro US government that exists today), and its incessant need to pursue its imperialistic desires. Russia gave the US/NATO ample warning for years that attempting to expand its influence and military power right onto the doorstep of Russia would result in Russia feeling the need to push back for the sake of its national security, which makes complete sense regardless of what my own, or anyone else's opinion of Russia is. It would be absolutely no different than if(hypothetically) Russia were to do the same in Mexico, the US would VERY much be against Russia gaining influence in Mexico and expanding its reach right on the American border, and it would take the appropriate actions to maintain its necessary national security. Yet Bolton acts like there is absolutely nothing wrong with the US doing that exact thing, in fact he argues that it is noble and that it is an attempt to INCREASE stability in the world when it clearly isnt. As of right now, we are on the precipice of WW3 due to that thinking. And what the US is doing in Taiwan, isnt much different than what its done in Ukraine...were meddling in Taiwain despite having no dog in that fight, and despite China warning numerous times against the US attempting to influence Taiwan or arm/fund them, or setup military installations there due to the close proximity to China. And of course, the US has ignored all of that and continues to do what it wants, as if it runs the world and EVERYTHING and everyone must act in the manner they see fit. So not only is the US getting closer to a World War in Ukraine, its also getting closer to one in Taiwan with China. I dont think a two front World War is "good" for stability Mr. Bolton, nor do I think it would be good for the American people either. But this is the exact result coming to fruition of Bolton's attitude on foreign policy and how he views the world. Dangerous is a massive understatement, the man has no business being anywhere remotely near a high office in the US, and especially not near one that has to do with foreign policy.
I have learned so much from Mr. Varoufakis. Mr. Bolton, not so much. Bolton doesn't even know that he doesn't even know.
this bolton is more dangerous than trump, and almost nothing in his talk with intelligence but only blame while the professor is on a much higher level of discussion with concrete contents and facts.
Yes. It's the same old, 'axis of evil, freedom, democracy' type of narrative , same old story for the last half a century
T Z It shows the massive general knowledge of vanis V. & lack of international history even though Bolton has the titles with out backing it up with Humanitarian view - with out WARs .
As Mr Bolton went through the list of threats I thought he was talking about America. My mistake.
The crushing ratio of these comments is gratifying after all the years of listening to both debaters. I'm glad so many recognize such an intellectual mismatch.
There is almost no comparison between the high levels of articulation and knowledge from Varoufakis, and the measly finger-pointing by Bolton.
Bolton is sickening me, not for his reckless, but his attitude towards other countries, and the lives in other countries!
US is best. Everything about US is good, they dont have problems like other countries. Thats pretty much what he said 🤣 My god his is stupid and arrogant
@@allaboutfunstuff7782 Bolton: We need to start a war here, here, here, here, here, and here. Oh, we need to start a war with everybody.
@@treasurewuji8740 He is not the smartest guy :)
@@allaboutfunstuff7782 Eventually rise up to his either incompetence or corruption.
@@treasurewuji8740 Hopefully. Yanis is so good in this clip. He is a guy who want to deal with the problems, not only blaming someone
It's surprising and perplexing that top American diplomats and politicians have such superficial and at the same time ideological arguments and positions.
You would think the moderator would have practiced saying Varoufakis a few times before the debate instead of messing it up every time
Stay healthy, Yanis.
Yes, he's a world treasure.
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Wtf is that supposed to mean?
Yes, I also saw implied threat.
I like Yanis and he is a charming & well educated man . What I do not like, is his relationship with the monster George Soros and thus Bill Gates !!!
There is nothing honorable or distinguished about Bolton.
He was hired by Trump.
Good j lapdog
@@rider2731
Bolton resigned because Trump would not attack North Korea. Trump wanted peace in the world.
@@rider2731 Obama hired Hillary all leaders make mistakes. Bolton was the guy who removed the Pandemic Response Team, because he thought we were at more risk from a military bio attack then a pandemic.
Of course it would have been nice to spend money replacing the N95's Biden and Obama used, since THEY are essential for first responders!
But N95 masks don't DONATE big to your campaign like well paid Bureaucrats...
I think he got that status from the Moustache brotherhood
12:20 Do you know what happened to Russia in the 90s, Bolton? Putin calling the USSR collapse a catastrophe is an understatement. And anyone familiar with the times would agree.
Nice work Yanis!
Bolton is clearly over his head here. Varoufakis is brilliant!
I find John Bolton's world view terrifying. Structures for threat mitigation (until the threats disappear in and of themselves) - sounds like endless war. Certainly has worked very well since the 70's, the threats have just disappeared, haven't they? I'm glad we have people like Yanis trying to think strategically, even if for now he's a voice in the wilderness.
Curing diseases by exacerbating the cause, I believe is Bolton's way.
"War Hawk" Bolton is loud & clear. Its a failed approach because of conventional & nuclear weapons which China has plenty off.
Dont forget that Bolton is a "Washington Insider" as well as a "Neocon"...Sadly this provides him & others like him a protective blanklet against being prosecuted & put in prison.
@@akhalif68 There isn't a system to prosecute bad ideas, only specific war crimes. Look closely at Nuremberg to see how high the burden of proof is. And on top of that, of course being part of the US administration makes mention of Nuremberg irrelevant, but as it wouldn't fly anyway, why worry about it? I'd be entirely content for his ideas to be prosecuted and evicted from the US's political idea-space. I've never heard him give his worldview before, and now that I have I find it amazing that he was given such a privileged audience in so many administrations. There doesn't seem to be an intellectual center to his ideas at all, just threat & response.
@@jimbodriver1015 how so? I suspect most people posting here were drawn by Yanis's appearance, thus he gets the support of commenters. But out in the world, Bolton's ideas get a daily hearing and are policy in many parts, whereas of the half dozen concrete policy ideas that Yanis argues for (green new deal, European joint bond issuance, etc.) none are practiced in reality. And Bolton has had prominent places in several US administrations.
Good to see Varoufakis so well demolish Boltons arguments.
wow. Bolton does not disappoint as the limping pedestrian he is.
I gotta give to Bolton here, evading topics, calling names, attacking people, changing topics, and still have the decency to defend his "ideals" like he is actually convincing someone of something. He ain't talking to rhe intellectual part of the human, he's talking to attitudes or emotions of people. He thinks he is in FOX news or CNN, which is very understandable. Wow...all i gotta say.
The decency? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
my summary: John Bolton is a war-monger, Yanis Varoufakis is insightful about the US capitalism
That might be true but for China and Taiwan Bolton is still 100% correct. The USA (and the Soviet Union in the past) may have used their super power status to control others/be hegmonic but China has been a rising power that is doing that now and in many ways is much worse with no press freedom, increasing claims on other countries etc that make it more like "National Socialism" of German speakers in the 1930s than Bernie Sanders style socialism.
@Karl Marx You could say the same thing about the alt right; There is political spectrum, nothing is black or white or either/or. You can't compare Canadian socialism with venezuelan, or venezuelan socialism to China. There's been more billionaires created in China over the past decade than just about anywhere - not bad for a "communist" country.
@@naguoning There is no press freedom in the West .What you talking about ?
@@karmaking4633 Huh... pick up say the Guardian vs Murdoch press. Different viewpoints. China doesn't have that.
@@naguoning so what? Mind your own business.
Ambassador Bolton didn’t even have the courtesy to learn his opponent’s name correctly (“Varoufanakis”). Not that it helped Bolton to act nonchalant. Instead he was taught a few lessons by YanisVaroufakis.
i cannot believe that the moderator at around 47:30 cut off yanis varoufakis' extremely enlightened and deep question to bolton which got right to the heart of the matter, and did not allow bolton to answer. instead he changed the subject fron talking about solutions to global instability to how can instability be useful, which is insane, and the root of the problem. the answer to the problem of global instability was lost and now we talk about pursuing war and instability instead in the name of constructive competition. this is tragic. what a waste. not only that but why is a murderer warcriminal like john bolton on this program? he should be in jail with george bush , cheney and many other fascists around the globe. bolton should be speaking from behind bars in his own gutanamo bay , which exists also as a violation of human rights and international laws. bolton is an evil disgrace. all murderers and warcriminals like him need to be incarcerated for the safety of humanity.
What a bizarre thing for Bolton to say.
He doesn’t recognise a Marxist analysis?
It was an economic analysis.
Any criticism of capitalism is Marxist to dolts like Bolton. They're afraid to read and understand Marx as it requires an arduous amount of intellectual effort.
It occurs to me the only thing Bolton recognizes is potential threats to American Hegemony, and his only valid response is force.
> He doesn’t recognise a Marxist analysis? It was an economic analysis.
To be fair, there's a consensus in modern economics that marxist is an heterodox school of thought. (Theories from heterodox schools traditionally have a poor (and sometimes even inexistent) record when it comes to predictability.)
@@LuisRomeroLopez actually it is the consensus economics that has the worst record when it comes to predictability. The consensus is the consensus because it is the most politically palatable not because it has the best empirical evidence. If you have studied economics at an in depth level you will know that all of the schools have a mixed records on empirical evidence. The consensus schools focus on mathematical structure and solvability. Hence they come up with highly simplified yet still complicated mathematical models with terrible predictive accuracy. The heterodox schools focus on realism and complexity. Hence they propose complex models with no tractable mathematical form, from which they can only offer limited heuristic predictions.
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> actually it is the consensus economics that has the worst record when it comes to predictability.
That's false.
> all of the schools have a mixed records on empirical evidence
That's true, but not all of them are in the same level.
> The heterodox schools focus on realism and complexity.
Probably that's what followers of one or other heterodox school say, but focusing in social issues and dynamics might be a better description. (I think that even heterodox scholars like Kvangraven agree with this, but it has be mention that she seems to be so partial, that her definiton that doesn't consider austrian school as hetherodox) And probably that's why you see that many marxist are getting more into sociology that economy. (For me, Varoufakis seems to be more keynesian that marxist, but he kinda sound like one when he made an argument about happiness and existencial issues)
> The consensus schools focus on mathematical structure and solvability.
Half true, half false.
You see: Austrians and marxist are the favorites of libertarians and (some) socialist respectively.
The problem is that sometimes, one group seems to believe that economy reduces to microeconomics (you can guess wich one) while the other to macroeconomics. In a similar manner, the same group seems to forgot the mathematic aspect of economy while the other forgets about the human behavoir aspects.
Going back to marxism and you commentary about who has the worst record on predictability... what do you think that one can seriously expect from a 150 year old theory that is pre neoclasical, pre marginalist, and has a simplified understanding of human behavoir? (Marx was a genius, but you will asking too much from him if you want his theory to hold to the standard used over 100 years after his time)
bolton sounds like he is describing the us when he is talking about china
at one point i was literally like wait he meant china? not the us? after a like minute of him describing it lol
I'm wondering if anyone can explain how lack of democracy in China and Latin America is a great concern but in countries like Poland and Hungary it's more a problem for Europeans of keeping the EU intact? Are the problems not comparable?
What's up with the moderator can even pronounce Yanis last name and helping out Bolton are 2 vs 1 or what, Yanis handle them Flawlessly
Incredible professor Varoufakis... the mass media should amplify this kind of message.
Bolton possess an inferior intellect& knowledge I see it as an knowledgeable intellectual Varoufakis vs a child warmonger Bolton
Bolton’s rhetoric is passé he needs to move on
The media agrees with Bolton on most issues.
The corporate media anyway.
They just aren't as obvious about it as the war criminals are. They run cover, obfuscate and straight up lie about their crimes tho, which makes them entirely complicit in all of it.
@@jordanallen3078 I don't know if they truly do, the coverage of him before he left office wasn't the best. I think they tolerate him for now because of the goss he dished out with Trump but if he ever got back into a position of power they would go after him.
You know why they won't.
Mr Bolton is a living '70s time capsule.
LMAO he really is
Clearly Bolton has no idea what has happened to the middle and working classes the past 40 years.
more like the 30s
Bolton's a walking Cold-War fossil with a mustache.
@Michael Garcia couldn't agree more.
It has been 3 minutes since Bolton starting speaking and he is already talking nonsense. The question was "simple" as he calls it but then proceeds to answer the wrong question.
Ambassador Bolton brings back to me a very well cherished and popular Mexican actor nick-named Cantinflas.
That actor had the amazing ability to talk, non stop, about something that was never clear, the same way many politicians speak to the masses. Nobody can really understand what they are saying, although they impress everybody by the way they master the language using terms that are not familiar to most.
On the other hand we have Professor Varoufakis who is not only able to pinpoint reasons for what is happening, but to put a spin of how the empires work.
Ambassador Bolton will always talk about the menace of the Russians and the Chinese and he is right. Besides, that's their only argument.
For the first time since WW2 the American hegemony has been challenged by a different system, which today is able to respond military to the bulling of "the powerful" and at the same time becoming an unstoppable force.
The options are there, as Varoufakis mentioned : these three superpowers come together or we all suffer the consequences.
Greetings from Toronto.
Fabulous. Incredible example of intellect vs ideology. We have to be thankful there are not more John Bolton's in this world. It would have ended a long time ago.
Unfortunately there are more than enough of them, and too few Varoufakises
Both parties are full of John Bolton’s look at our history of wars
Yeah the problem is there aren't too many of them but they all crave, and hence predominate in, positions of power.
@@Janemas ...and on the boards of every major corporation.
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It was like watching a debate between good and evil. Thank you Yanis.
Voldemort is the Good in the real world 🤷
Sort of
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You have a great insight
I do respect you 🤔😜
@@sohrabamiri7917 kind of you to say, thank you
This debate was in 2020. It is now 2022. The world is about to realize the catastrophic ideas being discussed here.
Moderator is seemingly feeling uncomfortable what Prof. Yanis said. You did well Prof. There's deep anti-China atmosphere in the debate. It's not a debate.
The war criminal John Bolton is talking about human rights. Laughable character.,
Thank you mr. Varoufakis, Bolton's thinking needs to be called out for exactly what it is and using the term primitive is a perfect description!
from old jock grandad who hates America 🇺🇸 NATO nazism which has brought us to the point 👉 of thermal nuclear war yet again in old gits life time ⏲️.
How did such primitive thinking get such a high position…
@@aoeu256 epstein island style
Because the US political system is based on popularity and not capability
@@alexsoeriyadi then why isnt Kim Kardashian president?
Bolton should be in jail. There's something ill going on in this world when he is given a platform for a debate.
No one should ever take John Bolton seriously....
I'm just amazed bolton can talk for over 20 mins without interuption but still say absolutely nothing
Seriously.
lol ya
RUSSIA BAD
CHINA BAD
N. KOREA BAD
IRAN BAD
U.S.A. GOOD, VERY GOOD.
I think that's what he said..
Lots of talk not much substance, leaves a strong hawkish taste every time, each one crying out for war or confrontation
A very interesting watch for a Saturday night during lock-down. We need to think like Varoufakis for a brighter future.
More attention should be draw. The debates are definitely worth watching carefully. I don't wanna miss any minute when Prof. Varoufakis was talking, while had to skip the bullshits out of Bolton even tried hard not to.
If we think like him and fail to respond to CCP's DECLARED Cold War on the west then we will lose. Bretton Woods and International agreements will not solve that. The proof is overwhelming.
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 Good, western imperialism will fall
@@superduperfreakyDj ok, enemy.
Is that so? And how do u feel year later after watching Russia destroy Ukraine. U still think Bolton is wrong about China? Lol
Boltens complaints about china's military expansion is a bit rich coming from the largest, and most global military in the world
"A War Criminal debates a University Professor..."
Even Kim Jong Un called John Bolton an "Insane warmonger" and "Defective Human", that tells alot that even a brutal Dictator had enough of people like Bolton.
@@SvetlanaRakhim well... he sounds way more wise and intelligent than the whole present day US politicians in White House whose only goal is to create the next war to sell weapons and distract US citizen from starting a civil war
It's almost offensive that Yanis has to spend time debating Old Walrus face, but I do see the value of having it and make it available on YT in the hopes that younger people see it and we don't end up with more John Bolton's. Thank you Yanis!
I still find it hilarious that the mainstream press in Europe portray Varoufakis as some kind of crank, when a passing glance at any CZcams clip of his contributions to a lecture or discussion makes it obvious he's a rigorous, evidence-minded intellectual. Unfortunately, it's hard to have a debate between someone like that and a feeble-minded, narrow-sighted Cold Warrior like Bolton.
I’m only 45 minutes in... but this is ridiculous. I am a conservative economist, and found Varoufakis’ summary of the economic history of the last 100 years to be fascinating: factual, illuminating, precise and perfect. I have never heard or read such an excellent, succinct account, anywhere. In just 10 minutes, he demonstrated his depth of understanding and complete mastery of what he discussed. For Bolton to immediately dismiss it as a “Marxist” interpretation is idiotic.
Varoufakis might well be a Marxist, and I would love to spend an evening drinking with him arguing about incentives, property rights and a dozen other things about which I am sure we would disagree; but there is no way that his opening statement was Marxist. It was sheer brilliance.
He has explained before that he believes in the Marxist dialectic, it's observations about Capitalism and its conception of history. He is less interested in Marxism's hardcore economics.
Looks to me that you’ve never read Varoufakis’ own ‘The Global Minotaur.’ It’s basically a detailed, elaborated rendition of the 10 minute demonstration of his deep understanding of economic history he showed in this debate. You’d love it, I’m sure.
@@PsilentMusicUK I kind of wish he did go into it. He could really take Marxist economics to a new level with his ideas. From what it looks like he just uses the current rules of economics and has very good remedies and adjustments that can and should be made within Capitalism. I would love to see an idea of how the economics of a real Marxist/socialist society would be at its best.
@bina nocht That works out pretty well for the selfish 'Haves' and the 'Have nots' they currently coerse.
It's just cold war ignorance to write off anything you don't like as Marxist. All Marx did was notice that after the French revolution capitalism was supposed to bring equity and peace and prosperity and he was hoping it would and when it didn't happen he had criticisms about the system. That's it.
Omg! Varoufakis is 10 levels over Bolton! Conversations like this give me hope more and more people will turn left!
More like a million levels.
How about turn right?
@@ssunkite1 how about not
Bolton is a pro war psychopath
At the end of the day Bolton was "only with us virtually". Indeed. Great epitaph put it on his tombstone.
It's kind of pointless to pit a Varoufakis against a Bolton. It's an adult speaking to child. A realist speaking to a fantasist. It's sanity punctuated by moments of irrationality. Bolton is basically a foil in this discussion. He has nothing of substance to independently offer whatsoever.