Archery Research: Scythian Draw like seen on an Artwork?
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Quick response with my 5 cents, if they might have used the thumb as lock or not. But anyway a really nice and accurate way to shoot. Try it out and let me know, what you think!
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Lija LJA 1915
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Actually this is the only way for me to shoot a bow right or left side because of my alleged deformity in pronotion in my forearm (rare type of disability) great to know i am applying an ancient technique without knowing ;)
After 40 years of shooting , I was a little bit bored . But with your great videos, you really help me to feel and shoot in a different way.Thanks a lot for sharing. Hector.
Interesting will try it God willing
Thanks for uploading this video Armin. I use the scythian draw when I have strained my thumb as an alternative to the thumb draw technique. A perfect alternative for me, I might add(I shoot arrows the right side of the bow as with the thumb technique). Works just fine for me. Keep it up. Greetings from Slovakia
Thanks! 🙌☀️
Thank you for this video. Your pleasant and friendly spirit comes across so nicely!
thank you for watching
That’s very interesting,, i’m definitely gonna have to try this, mainly because it looks like fun, I love how you just try stuff
It seems one advantage of this method is, you will have constant shooting form, your elbow always stays in right position and you will have a very firm anchor....not easy to move your hand around your face in that position ...... which causes stable and constant frame.
And completely lines up your draw arm, brilliant stuff!
Beauty MA.
Tried this once as well. Feels good nice to shoot this way, indeed!
Really interesting video, as usual.
Thank you, very interesting analysis. I like the hands on approach instead of the strictly theoretical.
thank you Mitchell. Yes this is my way, I simply do it, then at least I have an idea of what I am talking about. Not like many others here on youtube
Très intéressant !! Merci pour cette application à partir d'une image historique 👍😊
L'expérimentation c'est vraiment la clé de tout
Merci pour votre travail d'information, je vais essayer !!!! 🙏😊🙏
(Very interesting!! Thank you for this application picked up from an historical picture 👍😊
Experiment is realy the key for all
Thank you too for your good information job , I'll try that technic!!!!🙏😊🙏)
Richard "Lionheart" from France 😎
So many ways to shoot a bow. Efficiently, or fast. It's a beautiful and diverse art.
Wonderful brief analysis. There is so much that we can learn from the past. Thank you for sharing.
thank you Jim
Historical point of view. This technique seems a horse ride techinque to remain more on target as it forces somehow a locking of the draw arm. A normal draw on unstable ground is knocked easier out of elignment of the drawing arm.
Hello Armin !!!😀😀😀
That is the "KINJAL" technique of shooting fast !!!
But the arrows are taken from the back quiver , and nock , then shoot ...
Is a technique whoo was used by hungarian horsemen in the ancient history , that is what I know ...then again , maby I am wrongh ...😇😇😇
Great video Armin !!!
Thanks for sharing !!!
Sorin the bowman / ROMÂNIA
interesting. thanks for watching and your input. KINJAL sounds similar to Kinzal a technique from Russia
I started shooting like this after playing breath of the wild amd noticing how Link shoots his bow, i wanted to see if it would work and now exclusively shoot this way cause it feels more comfortable to me.
I had no idea until today that is was done historically
I have heard from Stephen Selby, an expert in Scythian bows, that most of the ancient Scythian bows he found in Xinjiang are with less than 50 pounds of draw weight. Perhaps heavy bows are not the main concern of the technique?
why should they have the fingers then like a claw? then they could like usually "long" fingers :)
I am not an expert for sure, so I prefer not to do any wild guessing, ha!
The Scythians (or Sakas? or "塞" in ancient chinese text) he studied are the eastern tribes instead of the western Scythians (as indicated by the greek characters of the picture caption). So the findings may not be applicable to the tribes who lived near to the greeks.
Anyway, I will certainly try this interesting technique. Thanks for your sharing!
I tried on my 70 pound bow, without thumb finger lock for straightened it's not possible to draw, very weak with only 2 fingers.
Thumb up for the video! This may be a good alternative for modern western style bows for the ones that cant their bow. Is more wrist friendly.
always worth to give it a try :) thanks for watching
I tried this draw today. It was a very awkward draw for me. It made by bow hand straight and initially sent the arrows to the left. I guess it takes practice but I feel more secure and stronger with the thumb draw.
Awsome video..thank you !
thank you :)
Interesting way :))
it is :)
With what material you did those targets? I really want to know how to make one of those! Nice video by the way.
the sacks are ordinary jute/burlap sacks from DIY store, filled with some old net/shade material. But you can fill them with old clothes or plastic bags too
That's an excellent idea, targets are made far more expensive than they need to be really, I'll have to consider making some of these up to use in the garden
Thank you, for a great channel. Fun videos and very educational. Watching your videos has without a doubt improved my archery. Is that one of those low poundage, one piece, molded plastic bows? Very inexpensive? The moment my local store showed one to me, I bought it. For the price, one premium loaner/trainer/beginner/youth bow. My main bow is a Attilla Arcus Hungarian model.......
thank you very much. have fun with the bow, get for all training purposes
What about the Jimi Hendrix draw? You know, where you draw the string with your teeth and then set the bow on fire! 🔥
Might try that
I've been doing some research in Scythian archery and there is some evidence that (in the western region) they used a very short draw (arrows only 18"/45cm long). Since you have experience of shooting really small bows, is this release compatible with a short draw? (Love the videos by the way. Shame I came across your channel a month after I went on holiday to Malta)
Hi! I will try that, next days. But I think it will work great even with short draw. Which source did you use to come up with this. As on the drawings you always see them pulling back behind their ear. Thanks
Armin Hirmer I'll put together my evidence and email it to you. I would value your opinion. If it works out I may write a paper on it.
great
I do not wish to be inopportune but it must be taken into account that ancient peoples rarely exceeded 1.60 meters in height. What for us, modern men, is a short draw It had to be actually normal for those times. Of course this is just my opinion.
Link draws his bow like this in Breath of the Wild.
It kinda looks like the speed archery technique used by that russian girl. Dagger technique she call it? Only she use the left side of the bow like mediteranian style.
yes, she uses what we call reverse draw. here the arrow is on the right side, nice way too :)
Anyone knows where can one find the primary sources about scythian archer technique? Paintings, or references? Is there a comprehensive collection somewhere?
Hát, nem a máltai Arminnál. Ha rám hallgatsz, akkor felkeresed Szentendrén a Kelemen Zsoltit, esetleg Kassainál vagy a Farkas-Mónus Józsinál érdeklődj! A fenti technika teljesen használhatatlan - maga Armin is NÉZI, hogy mit csinál! Màrpedig így hajítófát sem ér az egész...
Often, imagery like that can historically be drawn in a way to put across a teaching point which can be missed by those looking without verbal information as well...more than possible it has been drawn backwards on the hand to show the draw, which would actually have been drawn more 'normally' so to speak...
thatswhy it is interesting to play around with it and figure something out, what works for you or not :)
Seems like this type of draw makes speed shooting more difficult
I guess it always depends if you shoot a really heavy bow (then it can be slower) or a lighter on an attack....
Sorry, Armin but this is NOT a Szittya/'Scythian' way - even you, yourself make it awkwardly and follow the movement with your eyes and fumble at the end. Three fingers, that is the old tradition (not 'Mediterranian' but Szittya/Real Scythian). For further analysis ask Mónus József, the world's best long-range archer: he shoots up to 600-700 meters.
Persian again sir!!please.