Let's Talk About How Horrible Fandoms Have Become
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Fandom wars have become so commonplace to where its almost weird to not see them taking place on the internet. Genshin Vs Wuthering Waves, Palworld Vs Pokemon, anything vs anything at the gameawards, its way too easy to see. Which is why in this video essay I will be talking about fandoms and how terrible they have become.
Videos I talked about:
• Wuthering Waves LEAKED...
• Debunking the biggest ...
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Genshin somehow managing to find beef with basically every fandom is wild to me
Genshin vs its sibling games (Honkai Impact 3rd, Star Rail, ZZZ etc.) is also funny given the inherent overlap in communities.
Bro Genshin even having beef with their own game😂
Genshin fandom hate everyone, that also include the game itself and themselves
Seriously, all other Hoyo games fandom are not as awful like Genshin's
Can't wait for the beef with MLP fandom 🤣
The genshin players are like the LoL players, they hate the game, but they have a lot of time and money in it, that are bent to defend that they aren't wasting their time with something they hate and makes them miserable....but well... I can say the same for the D&D or marvel fandom...
Genshin Fandom vs Google Classroom was my favorite one
I genuinely still have no clue why they decided to review bomb Google Classroom of all things. I mean, what was their thought process behind this???
@@bendman9136there was no thought process, they don't think
@@circle4602 honestly ngl its just funny hearing the gaming news and seeing this
@@circle4602can confirm we don’t think
@@ninguem8872 And then they decide to destroy Google Maps by creating fake reviews (three words: Zhongli Mining Corporation. Also, there was a picture of Klee playing with Samsung Galaxy S7 phones and another with Childe saying, "HELP ME GIRLIE IM DRIWNING")
P.S. They also make fake reviews for a German automobile company and a small ice cream shop just because they are named "Tartaglia".
The sentence “This game is going to kill other game” is so friggin stupid and i do feel like it perpetuates most of these fandom wars
case and point (for fandoms), touhou
no other fandom can siphon enough people away to kill it, even if it has been losing hype over the years.
the only way a game dies is by poor updates.
sekai wasn't a bandori killer, but bandori is slowly imploding within, whereas sekai is still going strong.
I feel those people are mostly ex genshin players that got fed up how mihoyo doesn't give enough rewards, so they want competition to ramp it up for genshin to get better.
Case in point, they decided to raise the max stamina after wuthering waves was close to release.
I think it's mostly a marketing crutch to boost early sales. I remember the era of WoW/Halo killers and all the beef that went on back in the 2010s internet. In the end, most of the games that rode on the 'game killer' mentality imploded within a year or two. The ones that went on to be successful long term did so by doing what they did best and not concerning themselves with trying to beat the competition right out the gate.
Remember the so-called “Pokemon Killers”? Somebody better tell them that Shin Megami Tensei came *FIRST* before Pokemon AND similar franchises like Digimon, Yo-kai Watch, Temtem, Palworld, Casette Beasts, and many others.
The only time I felt that was actually true was when Among Us just took over the world a month after Fall Guys did.
How it feels being a fan of something without interacting with fan communities: 😊
feels like the police after they checked on crazy cult before their lider course them to drink a poison to (redacted) themselves
Let me be honest, PM fandom feels like the cult sometimes more than actulal cults
Yeah
At least for the most part we are friendly but yeah the brain rot is definitely real
"You must Gangnam....
Like i have...."
We're like sleeper agents
You thought sleeper agents ARE A JOKE?!
The whole "criticism = you don't like it" thing just reminded me of that one time someone made a 4 hour long criticism video of the 13th Doctor's writing in Doctor Who and people thought the guy was just being misogynistic cus they couldn't bear to watch 4 hours of valid criticism from a creator who clearly loves Doctor Who
Side note, watching that video just made me want to watch old Doctor Who instead of making me hate the show, so like, maybe chill
Jay Exci was the creator in question, and the main reason people got filtered (as seen on Twxtter) was the five-hour runtime. Anyone who actually took the time to watch/listen and understand where Jay was coming from would know exactly what you mean.
Also, last I checked, Jay was mid-transition, and I've not heard from them in quite some time. I hope they're doing alright.
@@amberhernandez what does mid-transition mean?
Pokemon fans
@@lifeisnotokiedokie7243 Gender transition. Sorry for not elaborating; I'm used to talking about it casually because of a coworker going through it as well lol
It's strange cause it feels like fandoms don't feel like a community anymore
It just feels like what you said, a cult, not a community, which sucks overall. I think people just wish that it could be more like a community square and not being drafted into a war
That's why I don't interact with any community at all, with maybe exception of TF2, DRG and partially Ultrakill, wit other communities I interact only when it's safe to interact, so basically I have to filter parts of community so I can enjoy good parts of it and avoiding bad parts of it and as you can guess, the good parts are sadly minority in game like Genshin.
Why Fandoms now day are so bad, I don't know and I am worried it get worse
A cult is one way to call it, other one is tribalism.
true 💯% calling a spade a spade.
The moment it becomes a fandom, it's no longer a community, it's a cult of brainwashed weirdos who take any criticism like a personal attack.
@@Jasiuc330not a criticism : why Tf2? Its the most cultish fandom i ever meet (even more then the one talked in this video), and in fact i had to remove myself from it twice in My life. Genuinely curious
criticism is not allowed nowadays, cuz anything will be taken as a personal attack
you think this is criticism? trying to slander other groups of people is not criticism, its just rude in general. you wouldnt call the african american community a bunch of negative words and then defend it calling it criticism, so why are you defending some poorly thought out ragebait such as this one
@@jackdalton2872 You think the video is ragebait? LMAO
Some Authoritarian Governments: *Nervous Sweating*
@@jackdalton2872 You are literally the type of person Tsunul is talking about
@@jackdalton2872 we did it boys, we found the person Tsunul was talking about and he doesn't even realize it
Imagine accepting that something that you don’t like could be liked by other people. Nah, I’m sorry, but that’s just impossible for some people.
😢 Why?
this is why i dislike how nagging young people in fandom today. in past we have golden rule "don't like, don't click" where you avoid the topic you dislike or just don't engage with it.
i don't like vore, but i just don't look for it. Even if i accidentally see one, i just scroll down. i know someone out there like it, why bother to interact with it? stay in your own lane and mind your own business is always the best internet policy
PGR and Wuwa fans to ZZZ fans be like
@@trollaseum6174 Are ZZZ peeps already having Genshin mentality?
I both agree & disagree with that golden rule, simply scrolling past the thing you don't like is valid, but interacting with something you don't like and commenting on it is also valid.
Why should you not be able to comment on something just because it could come across as negative? Sounds like a boring life to me.@@mitacestalia7532
To me, the worst thing about a fandom is when they start to "claim" something for themselves. This idea that a thing you like just magically "belongs to the community" instead of it just being a corporate product that you're buying into is wild. It's a certain level of arrogance or entitlement where they think they can decide what to add, remove, or change in a game if they just yell about it for long enough.
If complaining doesn't work, they'll crank up the drama and try to make up some sort of noble cause or some self-righteous fight for justice to justify harassing the creators to bend to what they want. It gets really crazy. It doesn't inspire me to engage with these communities at all. I'd rather just play these games on my own, or just play something else entirely.
They had their way in CN and Snowbreak is the example. The devs will listen to everything the players want and the fandom are happy with it. You start seeing more sexual appeals added in the game since launch, and all male NPCs deleted. The company have hired people to constantly watching the online discussions and respond to any drama within hours. All the players need to do is to yell hard enough. They treat it as a service instead of a game.
So toxic, insane fandoms can basically become cults for games and companies that never really wanted it, and complain and whatever else like some holy crusade mixed with Twitter drama
@@landforest1999 Doing great work spreading misinformation there
@@kiyama7997 game is a service bet you dont wanna go to a spa that wants you to climb a mountain
yeah like some male players thinking that gacha games should belong just to them, no male characters allowed in games because they are in delusional relationship with their fictional waifus.. its so stupind and unfortunately ruining games from rest of us. I have seen a shift in Hoyoverse games lately: less males, their kits suck, or waifus powercreep them. this is issue mostly in HSR, have to wait and see how it goes in Natlan but there is like two new male characters out of 7 new female. and last 5* male was Wriothesley that was like 10 months ago. lmao.
"Wuthering Waves or Genshin? Play em both" Tsunul please our wallets cannot survive the double gacha
forget wallet, can your phone endure it? 😭
I play both
Double!? Boi Im a addicted Limbus player, that's THREE for me!
@@blazichaos7181rip to your phone and wallet 😂
HSR and wuwa player here, luckily BP is HSR sucks, and wuwa give lots of free stuff, so its kinda easy to play with just welkin for both 😁.
There are also such things as 'hatedoms' who will actively attack people who like a certain thing.
Hazbin and Helluva have the biggest ones, the ability to hate something so much is impressive
Fandoms nowdays dont even feel like fandoms anymore
they Feel like Viking clans constantly in clashs
With no direct reward
No accomplishments
Nothing
"In the end...
It was...
" *_A War Without A Reason_* "
holy shit ultrakill
Fandom *Versus* fandom is inevitable nowadays because all they want is a *Duel*
THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT COULD HAVE ENDED.
WAR NO LONGER NEEDED ITS FANBASES. IT HAD BECOME A SELF SUSTAINING SYSTEM. THE FANDOM WAS CRUSHED UNDER THE WHEEL OF A TOXICITY CREATED TO CREATE THE TOXICITY TO CRUSH THE TOXICITY. SAMSARA OF ALLEGATIONS AND WAIFU WARS. DRAMA WITHIN THE FANDOM. NULL OROBOROS. ALL THAT REMAINED IS WAR WITHOUT REASON.
A MAGNUM OPUS. A RABID HATEFUL CLAN. A FANDOM CREATED TO END TOXICITY IS ALWAYS A FANDOM CREATED TO CONTINUE TOXICITY. YOU WERE BEAUTIFUL, OUTSTRETCHED LIKE ANTENNAS TO HEAVEN. YOU WERE BEYOND THE INTERNET. YOU REACHED OUT FOR YOUR WAIFUS AND YOU FELL. NON WOULD WANT TO PLAY THE GAMES YOU LOVED, NO WHOLESOMENESS, NO CONCLUDING STATEMENT. NO POINT.
PERFECT CLOSURE.
*THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED*
Vikings were superior people
ULTRAKILL!?
got no game to play so we play social media wars, very light in storage and minimum specs just need wifi
mental damage of genshin + wuwa + zzz + hsr space rots the modern gacha mind
People feel way too defensive that any form of competition aimed towards their own favorite media, to the point they feel that every remotely similar elements are not only a direct insult to the game, but also themselves. It's honestly sad, but it gets even worse when other media starts to get dragged down for the sake of ensuring that someone's own favorite media is "superior."
If we ever had another “terrible anniversary rewards” disaster with Genshin, I wonder what other apps could get bombed besides Google Classroom, the possibilities are endless
People complain to much about small things too often.
Twitter people complain about small things and treat people like monsters for being even slightly positive to the general subject.
Liking a game or a character/ship for some reason results in immediate death threats and accusations.
Twitter sucks.
As part of the genshin fandom myself, i just enjoy how it tears itself apart
me who in genshin and limbus: *sipping tea*
I couldn't care more about genshin fandom. They all treat the game as haven when i remember back then when so many genshin acc was hack-able. Tho I'm enjoying my HSR and I'm all for it joining HSR shit talk genshin fandom 😂
@@his_creation9275low-key you may have missed the point of the video.
But, also, if you were in the genshin fandom for longer you'd easily see just how much people shit on the game as well. And by shit, I mean that and have genuine criticisms of it. Of course when it came out people hailed it, it was an open world anime looking game that promised different nations inspired by different regions of the real world. Things are much different now, I don't think even whales are defending the game/devs that aggressively. Maybe the coomers who play the game with one hand, but anybody even vaguely normal, nah.
@@his_creation9275 as a player who play all hoyo games. I find HSR fandom as spoiled brats.
Why don’t mfs just play the game and not cause beef 💀
MINOS
@@Sheesh7328 JUDGEMENT 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
based minus promo🗣️
The toxic fandoms were a thing even before the gacha popularization (Rick and Morty, Undertale, Steven Universe, etc.), but boy oh boy the brainrot only progresses with big numbers of folowers. The only thing that can be done with this, unfortunately is just ignore the big gatherings and chill in the small closed chats or by yourself. Works for me everytime.
Even Godzilla has toxic fans (or should I say, radioactive?). These idiots weren’t noticed until that one video by Doktor Skipper (and before that, we had the controversy surrounding Deadzilla (who turned out to be a groomer)).
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 I'm not really sure about everything else. But the fandom attacking Doktor Skipper's video was valid since it had a lot of dissengenuious points
Rule of thumb: no matter how tempting it is and how much the work has taught you precious values, DO NOT take a work of fiction too personally to the point that it becomes part of your personality. Especially when it was created by a company and its main motivator is profit (A.K.A: the work is treated more as a product than art).
Parasocial relationships with works of fiction are real and they're a hell of a drug.
The Genshin impact fandom got beef with everygame
what's next, they gonna beef with a p@rn game?
@@joseurbanos.domingo6344 yes.
@@joseurbanos.domingo6344they are already beefing with Neverness to Everness. An upcoming gacha game that looks pretty cool!
@@joseurbanos.domingo6344"we got the better character designs" 💀
@@joseurbanos.domingo6344 nah snowbreak is not that big
Man, WuWa vs Genshin...
In summary, WuWa's fandom decided to become toxic af, and go kick the most toxic fandom around, starting a chain reaction of toxicity that put Chernobyl to shame.
It was the dumbest thing ever. But well, the "us vs them" mentality has been part of humanity since the dawn of civilization, so it was inevitable that Genshin players and WuWa players were going to devolve into apes at some point.
On a more positive note, I love that PGR players did not get involved. Personally, PGR's is my favorite fandom. Always chill!
I used to be a Wuthering Waves hater for its…problems during launch and toxic fandom (I even called it “bootleg Genshin” or “Genshin “Killer”” (see the quotation marks)). Nowadays, I feel OK about it AND realized its strengths and weaknesses (thank you, Mujin and Koomaxx). Still not going to play it anyway because I want free space for my cell phone AND iPad.
Kuro's fan here and I left the WuWa community in just a week after release. Most WuWa players who sh*t on Genshin were Genshin quitters and haters. They're like cockroaches that crawling around and talk shit on Genshin whenever they got a chance. Glad that you covered this up, PGR fanbase are humble af and they're completely diff from WuWa fans.
Nope its genshin attacking wuwa for longest of time saying taoqi ult copy genshin and wuwa will flop. There's so much people can take before people got annoys.
@@wanabid98 Actually, it is. Taoqi Ultimate is literally Eula's Burst, frame by frame. However, i'm fine with that since it's okay to "copy" good stuff. Genshin early characters movesets are also heavily influenced by Nier: Automata, too. Besides, about WuWa will flop, that's a bad take, it won't be as sucessful as Genshin in revenue but tbh, WuWa is just too good to flop.
In short, both are great games and have their own toxic community. Just avoid them and enjoy the game.
Yeah, I find it funny that people are attacking each other over their games like they are a spiritual company investor or something, when the company themselves only cares about the profits and what not. We're seeing the 80's-90's console wars but with gacha.
Most of the time, the vocal ones you see online are always the most problematic in their community, it's as if you can only play games from the other side and not touch their competitor's game; I'd rather play and calculate how much income I'll get during this patch in PGR/AL/HSR than participate in their shitflinging.
I try really hard to emphasize that I'm not part of any of the fandoms for the games that I play pretty much exactly this reason. I'm a pretty big fan of Pokemon despite the fact that their recent games have been pretty lackluster, but the whole Palworld stuff seemed (mostly) ridiculous to me. And I don't even play Genshin or Arknights because gacha games are dangerous for me to play since I have an addictive personality, but I know so many people who play both that I don't really have a reason to have a negative perspective about either (other than the fact that I think Mihoyo's character design is a bit boring).
And as somebody who has played both Minecraft and Terraria for over 1000 hours each, I really wish fandoms could be more like those two, they're super chill.
The chillest gacha game fandom is Blue Archive. They have no beef with anyone.
@@McCaroni_Sup bro have you seen the time when max0r tried out their game?
I think a large problem it comes down to is because a lot of how the criticisms for the games are framed in a way that can sound like a personal attack on the players. Example:
1. Genshin's game mechanics are shallow
2. Genshin's game mechanics are shallow and made for braindead casuals or children
The criticism regarding the game mechanic is already made in the first point. The additional stuff after that is implying players who genuinely like the game is either stupid or childish. Of course some people are going to come out and defend themselves. But the way the first argument is phrased, the only response to reasonably defend themselves is to defend the game mechanics.
Like the recent "racial controversy" with Genshin. A lot of the responses I read basically just claim/imply that the majority chinese players are racist/colorist/orientalist, so "of course Hoyoverse will whiten their skin to appeal to them".
I get it, I could just not think that it's directed at me. But having negative stereotypes being applied and treated as naturally true just because of my race(chinese) sounds exactly like racism.
I have some things I'd like to add:
Unfortunately, a lot of people do hide behind the word and sincerity of "criticism" as a way to attack players. So while there definitely are people just trying to point out flaws with a game, no matter if it's the story or pacing or characters or rewards or gameplay, there's also people who very much intend for it to be a personal attack. I've seen genshin metaslaves mock casual players, grown ass adults mocking children for playing the game (???), and both essentially at once. To the point people think Natlan, despite Genshin's continuous trend of colorful worlds hiding darker stories underneath, is Genshin "becoming a children's game". Yeah, sure, the game with jiggle physics and lingerie as clothing and open world stories ranging from child sacrifices to human experimentation. Is for children. Probably coming from the same people who think, in the laziest way possible, that blood and guts equals "mature".
To be clear I'm not against criticizing the game, in fact because I love genshin so much I have tons of critiques for it, but I feel the problem is less about "hate vs constructive critique" and more about people learning to recognize what actually is critique and not an excuse to bash on something they'll never give the time of day.
Last thing, when it comes to Natlan's (+ Sumeru) issue with light colors despite the regions Genshin is taking from...people are just more upset that characters are being made pale for the usual sex appeal/beauty standards. While there's definitely a lot of racism, specifically when it comes to Chinese people in these spaces, there's also just truth hiding behind some stuff. That's what racism essentially is, taking something real and bastardizing it to the point of stereotyping and dehumanization. Like with "Chinese" people struggling to pronounce their l sounds being a racist stereotype, even though their languages have an l sound and it's Japanese people who say r instead of l. That's a real thing, but it was hyper focused on and made into a Chinese person thing over time, probably because other Asian ethnicities became more palatable in the west over China's. Not that that's a good thing for them either, it's still racism.
Anyways, since you probably are more familiar with that than I am, we really can't deny there is a problem with colorism. Not that it's purely a "China problem" since that kind of nonsense is found everywhere, but it's still worth mentioning. As far as I'm aware, pale skin has long since been a beauty standard in Asia, unlike Western colorism it was mainly due to classism and the lightness of your skin correlating to being of higher class, right? However even if far eastern colorism comes from classism and not racism, it's still admittedly a problem. I don't know why hoyo chose to take from India, Persia/Iran, Turkey, Egypt, vaguely the middle east let's be honest, West Africa, almost all of Mesoamerica, and the Pacific Islands, and ignore the people who made those cultures they're using. However I do know that there's a prominent issue of valuing lighter skin over medium or darker skin tones all over the world. It would be stupid to say all of China is racist, or that every single Chinese person would drop the game if there were ""too many brown characters""...so I won't. Because that's genuinely wrong and a fatal misunderstanding. But there's nothing similarly racist around acknowledging an issue, even if it's with people from another country. I definitely understand and empathize with you if you've seen a lot of sinophobia online, but as another brown person myself I have to say there's a difference between poorly hidden racism and genuine issues. Not to mention it's far more likely, though not improbable, for a racist player to be just as racist to the brown players that wanted to see their identities in the game that claimed to show it. In fact Ive seen a whole lot of people in various languages happy the Natlan characters are as light as coffee creamer. Unfortunately it's not rare for a racist to see people upset about something, then use anonymity to act like they're with them while being racist to a different group, thinking it's justified in anyway.
In short because I take too long to explain simple things, acknowledging there's a bias against darker skin tones isn't racist until someone deliberately says something about Chinese people. Meaning they act as if it's a Chinese thing only, or forget that not all Chinese people are paper white like the commercials and TV shows. Again, you can see that in a whole bunch of ethnicities no matter where in the world, even in places where people naturally and indigenously have darker skin. And, of course, if a statement doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply, say if I overheard someone upset that latinos were colorist-they'd honestly be right, even if that wouldn't apply to me. Even if I and many others are different in that sense, there's still an overwhelming majority that are colorist, to the point of skin bleaching or keeping people from going outside too long.
I hope this comment is as respectful as I intended it to be, since I know decency and sincerity can vanish through texts, much more social media. I just hope this can be a positive conversation, especially since talking about half of what I did isn't always taken seriously. Even if just a game, I don't think what genshin did to natlan and sumeru is all that good. And ofc not all criticism should be perceived as personal attacks, as well as people learning to not join hate bandwagons instead of avoiding the thing they dislike.
@@Vesperad0 you just summarized tectone and all other drama farming content creators who use their "criticisms" as an excuse to just insult and degrade the community of a game they don't even care about/play which in turn creates an endless drama for them to capitalize on. I am guilty on taking part on all of this tribalism nonsense and I just decided to stop.
I'm just sad all the Palworld discourse made everyone forget about Cassette Beasts, that game was great.
CASSETTE BEASTS MENTIONED
Hey, Palworld discourse was how I found out about Cassette Beasts. Something good came out of all that.
This just reminded me I need to finish cassette beasts
Ironically, the Palworld discourse is what GOT me into Cassette Beasts.
*weak incorrect buzzer
not really, some people reacted the opposite.
"genshin and wuthering weave fandom are natural ennemy"
"just like genshin and tower of fantasy fandom"
"or genshin and sonic fandom"
"or genshin vs genshin fandom"
"damn it, genshin fan ruin it all"
No all of them are the same dead brain fandom thae only difference is genshin impact is the biggest of them so more louder voices
goddamn genshin fan, must not correct 💢
What’s next? Genshin vs. Super Smash Bros.?
(Guess what will happen if a Genshin Impact character DID get announced for Super Smash Bros. 6)
@@somechinesedude5466hehehe genshin vs blue archive
Sadly the Western Genshin community is occupied by obnoxiously loud people that doesn't even play the game.
A lot of their posts are always shipping stuff and no gameplay.
Meanwhile on other regions that isn't infected by their stupidity are literally playing the game and posts something they enjoy or want to show off like what a real game community does.
Its just the western "fans" and drama cc's that gives this game too much negative impressions.
It'd be better if they quit altogether, maybe the community would be it once was during its first few months.
except when the complains are about in-game reward.(and the gameplay for some extent)
Reminds me of the time some artist got bullied and harassed so hard that they announced that they will no longer be drawing straight ships and then some jackass retweeted it with 'WE WON'
Idk where you are, but I have never seen anyone outside of the west never ship anything. That's a wild, truly wild thing to say. Hell whenever I come across it, most fanfictions and nsfw art I see for the genshin fandom (specifically) are done by non English speaking players. Shipping and being insane about it is not a western thing, unless you're taking typical fandom silliness (at best) to be western just so you can shit on it. Sorry, but not everything you hate is only ever done by a westerner, which I really know just means American. Americans may be stupid, known for it, but they aren't the only stupid people on the planet. That and there's a lot better things you can shit on the US for, things more based in reality.
But that being said, what about the players that only play as some porn game? The people who play exclusively in japanese and/or have their hand down their pants? I'm not expecting you to defend them, but to me it's wild how your first complaint is with shippers and not coomers. Or, whatever less cringy term there is to reference them. At least there's some defense for shippers, with those people there's nothing at all. While there are shippers that care about lore or retaining personalities, there's not one 🎺y player that gives a damn about those things. Not unless it gives them fuel for a made up self insert backstory, like with Firefly, only making her background relevant when it comes to stupid scenarios of her sleeping with the faceless nameless self insert. Or the people that will turn red in the face arguing a character clearly meant to be a child "ackshually is 3000000 years old" while totally not having a hidden hard drive.
Honestly, I'm real tired of the people acting like the western side of whatever is the thing to complain about today, is the only side having problems. Are the only ones shipping, or simping, etc etc. It just feels like an easy way to blame the west for everything as if everybody here thinks and acts the same. I may not be able to speak for the Chinese community since I don't speak nor live in China, or the Japanese or Korean or general eastern communities, but I can still see they're just as lamely human. Unfortunately, there will always be drama seekers no matter the language, and people causing problems for no reason no matter their home nation. Considering the Chinese community, by which I'm guessing the whales or something, not the normal players, reported hoyo to the _government_ for "nerfing" Neuvillette. Genuinely, do you not think that's wild in comparison to someone shipping characters they like? To the government? Over a video game character??
...also aside from everything else your post doesn't make sense. People can't quit or ship or make up drama if they weren't engaging with something. If these people don't even play the game, how would they be writing Bible length fanfiction or making drama about something you'd have to be up to date to understand? Either these people aren't players, or they are, because just shipping isn't exactly a valid argument for "not being a real fan"-especially when Genshin's fanbase ranges from lore hunters to embarrassing waifu collectors to the stated shippers and drama farmers.
I play Genshin on a casual basis for about three years and I still enjoy it but every time I get any peace in playing this game, some drama in the fanbase takes me out of it, from people either trying to tear the game down or tear eachother down, and all for what? Some stupid or petty reason I guess
For any normal Genshin players, just stay away from the fandom for your own self care
Bro when i saw "Wuthering waves"
On the desc my Project Moon Sleeper agent activated 😭
Genshin fandom or not, wuthering wave/kurogames haters are insane. Just because a competitor is good, competition only gives positives for consumers
The problem is when it's just a one sided competition. WW isn't that big, or good, to be a real competition, so Genshin will stay the same, imo.
I currently play both WuWa and Genshin. And I can say for certain that WuWa has issues, but people who defend WuWa use Genshin as a shield to deny the valid criticism against WuWa. So it's not just one side here.
@@GoujikiTrue
"it's childish"
Bruw Genshin and Wuwa have PEGI (ESRB) 12+ and target audience are indeed children, what else to expect
Btw Wuwa had 16+ on cbt but crybabies said the story is too dark so Kuro rewrite it with rainbows and friendship and slap 12+ lmao😂
iirc, it was because the original writing just had everyone be an asshole to the player for some weird reason and then they took a complete 180 with turning the protagonist into jesus.
my experience with the story was that I really almost fell asleep (they really should have put it in the middle imo). funny enough guy who wrote snowbreak's first 10 chapters ended up being the writer for wuwa, which humorously explains why it's so bad since the 10 chapter is unanimously agreed by the fandom to just be bad, so bad that ignoring the ML edits, the team just planned to outright rewrite the entire thing.
combat is good but it was just poorly built which just made the game unplayable on my end and by the time they might have fixed it I frankly just have no more interest in playing open world gachas anymore.
Meanwhile, in Zenless Zone Zero:
Characters swear, but get censored
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 also from 16 to 12+
I see the console wars never died in spirit. Heck, console vs PC still lives on.
I think it has now been so cooled down now tho than it was before, i think because most of the war was caused from the kids.
But now since most of them have grown up i dont see as much war as before. Even if there is, most of them is caused from the kids
@@InfinitySevens And console vs. mobile gaming
It’s so weird, it’s like some people literally want one game to have a monopoly on their genre.
Cause you know, Destiny having a monopoly on their genre has lead to totally amazing content over the several years that has tot*never* been low quality!
Or GTAV Online with their completely reasonable SHARK cards!
for someone, playing "the best game" in their genre probably one of their achievement
@@tsukujam3080 true, if the is only one game in the genre, then it becomes the best game.
I can never tolerate the fandom of my favourite game, shirt talking other fandom…
But like my father, I should have just expected disappointment because it was inevitable.
I sometimes feel like 90% of the Limbus fandom doesnt like its combat system and complains a lot about it, and just use winrate or clash higher = win. Sometimes I feel like im secretly the only person who enjoys Limbus combat. Its somewhat discouraging to see people openly trashtalk the combat that I like but I do understand the personal reasons behind doing so and I wont fault them for doing so. I do understand why there is so much misinformation regarding the combat because its quite unclear how to play the game a lot of the time. However, it doesnt stop me from making fun of them for not reading :3
nah you're not the only one, I honestly understand as well where the criticisms are coming from but we do need to understand that this is ProjectMoon, a company that made Lobotomy Corporation and Library of Ruina and both are games that require heavy reading comprehension and knowledge of the mechanics and passives, that's making Limbus Company. A Company hellbent on making us read and suffer through multiple mechanics or passives making a game in the Gacha space which has some mind numbing gameplay I've ever had the displeasure of having (criticism could be invalid since I've only ever played Genshin, Star Rail, and Cookie Run: Kingdom) so I can see why people who havent played the past two games just spam Win Rate without a thought when they need to consider saving skills for clashing, what skills to use to stockpile EGO resources, what attacks to redirect, clash, or tank, and what damage type or sin affinity deals the most damage.
I love how simple the combat is and how the different Identities, Mechanics and Passives change it up. Hell even the EGO Gifts, Luxcuvations and Railways change shit up a lot and I love it. Plus with the simplicity of the combat it makes it much easier to implement complicated mechanics or passives and makes it a lot less painful to restart because you aren't spamming WASD and spam clicking your mouse.
And yeah there is a buttload of misinformation and misunderstanding with the combat because the tutorial for Limbus just sucks ass and the only other tutorial are ESGOO's better tutorial videos and the extensive guides and breakdowns of Identities and Gamemodes.
this was a stupid rant ajfskidjr oh my god and I wrote this at 2am
I think most of the critisism behind Limbus's combat is because it is similar to Library of Runia's combat but will less room for creativity. Limbus forces you to use whatever clashes higher or else your sp lowers and you could never win a clash, especially if the enemy also gains sp. It also forces you to build a team to fulfil coin power conditionals. I do like some of the new features though.
Edit: I should clarify that many people hold Limbus company to a higher standard because of Project moon's previous game.
its funny seeing the same discussion appear from time to time of why the win rate button isn't working against Ricardo 😂
@@doge_fish4820
Yep I do see this complaints a lot. Lemme just summarise the most popular complaints i see.
Many of the misunderstandings stem from the fact people dont understand that Limbus is an RNG management/optimisation game, where you try to optimise your rate of winning the fight as much as possible.
I do understand people not liking rng management gameplay but most players havent really given this playstyle a try yet, considering the practically non existent tutorial doesnt make this obvious and you arent incentivised to do it since the game is so easy. Many players dont really care about the gameplay either and are just trying to winrate to get to the story. I notice I play extremely differently compared to everyone else too.
1. All or nothing coin system
Highly disagree with this one/
The coins determine how much damage the enemy is doing and the risk level if you let the clash through. Dont blindly clash everything, ensure that the highest risk skills can never be let through you can block the other skills if necessary. Molar Ishmael exists too. Also bring tanks, if the attack is AOE, you may let it through. Also clash lose skills exist too like Claim bones. I do want PM to lower the risk level on skills on certain enemies especially skills with high AOE when you lose that clash the game is basically over, but you do have time to prep ego for it and the timing on these moves are usually predictable.
2. Sanity snowballing
I disagree with this one. For me, it only feels frustrating in a few instances, low turning the 1st node in railway and bamboo hatted kim fight. Most importantly, its pretty bad in human fights where you cannot control targeting.
For a fight like Donbaek, you can let your sinners spread out and tank the bloom status and gain sanity via the flowers after 3 turns at up.
You can use fewer sinners to let certain sinners gain more sanity faster. There are so many strategies to combat low sanity like using high base power units like BLsang and Molar Ishmael with 10 base evade and giving her multiple slots. SHe is the only sinking unit you need on your team to deal with sanity bosses too. Paralysis and offence level down also works, using defence level up and protection on zwei gregor also works. Using a sanity gain ego on turn 1 also works.
Personally, I use block and evade to prevent bosses from gaining sanity. You can use defence cancelling on fights like Nelly so that she doesnt trigger her evade. For "The Beast" fight, I did this fight more than 9 times for fun with underlevelled teams with bad IDs of level 35-40. I won every single time, no resetting needed. I just blocked almost all the attacks, my most of my units were
same
from my experience, the gameplay is pretty up to par
tho i wanna say
this issue for me with the combat is not that its not up to par, but that it kinda missed some potential
too much ideas ive thought about to put here but yeah, its more missed potential and places where it coulda done better, but the base game i still good
Genshin vs Sonic was the most brainrot war ever, because of they think 20 pulls, but they get 10 pulls and start crying. I can't take Genshin fandom seriously from the attempt of boycott, which is just a joke at this point
And ironically the “fans” who say they’ll boycott ironically still play the game, or aren’t even fans in the first place and just want to complain.
Even as genshin player, i already laugh at the boycott attempt.
Honestly kudos to the one who really stop playing the game. That's really how you cut the gamelife, by having less active player.
But the one who said boycott but still play is an idiot.
@@Usotsukii. The funniest part for me is they start it for a non-issue, they say that they and (insert group that does not have a single problem with it) are mad and the moment there is a theaser or new patch they pretend nothing ever happened.
@@valterritter2894 I can tell that it is literally only westerners who have a problem with that kinda of stuff, literally nobody else complains about stuff like that.
Wait didnt the sonic fandom themselves prompted the war in the first place? When did genshin players themselves started boycotting genshin at that period?
As someone who loves Genshin.... God do I not want to associate with the fandom 90% of times.
I kinda get why people are so defensive of it at times, because while the fans can't take criticism, so do some people who never touched it hate on Genshin simply because it's gotten so big and popular and it's "cool" to hate on it.
I just wish people could be civil or learn to ignore situations that only make them angry. There's no gain in arguing over any of this at the end of the day.
Fandoms arent communities, they r echo chambers. And once it got big enough, u will have multiple echo chambers/groups in one fandom, and they r loud, very loud........
Problem is I never see myself as part of any fandom. Just because we are playing the same game, we aren't a hive mind or a community. But people like to dump the whole playerbase together. And that's why arguments occur.
I find the concept of fandom wars and the need to bash other things tragically ironic. Because it doesn’t feel like they are trying to convince others that their Fandom is the best… but that they are trying to convince themselves of that. If you truly loved something with no doubts or insecurities about it… then why would anything that challenges that belief be considered a threat? Why would someone liking something else make you doubt your own feelings so much that you need to prove that your thing is better? It just seems like a miserable way to enjoy media and culture… especially when your comparing media of completely different genres and appeals. And even if something is objectively “bad art or writing”, there is still an appeal for engaging with it and studying it and caring about it. Even if you can prove definitively that something is worse than something else… they can still both exist and be enjoyed for different or even similar reasons. Although I do have one hypothesis about why gacha fandoms are more at risk of this than others. There is just significantly more opportunity cost and competition ones because of just how much one time/money they can eat up. Sunk Cost Fallacy and Path dependency are powerful forces even if your fully meta cognitive of them… so anything that makes you feel like you made a mistake, that you wasted your time and your money on something when you could have instead put those things to more enjoyable experiences, I think, leads to a feeling of needing to defend your actions by trying to prove that no, they are the ones who are wasting their time, if you were smart like me would be engaging with “insert fandom here”. This of course can happen with any fandom I just believe that gachas are more vulnerable than most >~
Space and section this shit, dude.
I got lost 5 times trying to read this.
I feel ya. But it seems the low attention span of people these days make it easy for them to just accept whatever they think fits their worldview.
If that worldview is "xyz game is objectively bad in every area", then so be it. It's tragic. Genuine critics catch strays from weird people from the growing minority of angry people from, honestly, any fandom these days, not just Genshin.
I’ve seen friendships break up because of this. You just can’t play and like what you like anymore. I missed the early days of fandoms being an actual community, discuss what we like and stuff. These days it’s like different fandoms are just in an endless war (ex. Palworld vs Pokemon, Genshin vs Wuthering Waves).
Fandom wars get even uglier once shippers get involved since they tend to cause immense internal strife inside of a single fandom even while that fandom is at war with another fandom.
What the hell is wrong with people?
The Pokemon vs Palworld thing is still super weird to me, they're completely different genres with completely different combat systems. The only overlap is catching cute creatures and have them fight for you, a concept that wasn't even unique to either of them.
The first one to do that was Shin Megami Tensei (and even then it’s less popular compared to one of its spin-offs, Persona).
Im so glad someone else agrees with me on Steins:Gate. Never thiught I'd see the day, but god damn man casually inserted the most based Steins:Gate take ever. Absolute boring first half, but then episode 13 and on hits like an Isekai Dumpster Truck and proceeds to be one of the best stories ever crafted
Isn't it a pretty popular opinion that the first half of Steins Gate is incredibly slow, perhaps even snoozy, but then it hits and its one of the best anime stories to this day?
The thing is I don't get the whole "snoozy first half". Good stories take their building the foundation at the beginning, from setting to characters to the lore, in order to tell a coherent plot with compelling characters, and even a aesop with it
Not just Steins Gate. Higurashi, Umineko, Reverse 1999 (especially the 1.7 story), novels, folktales, etc. They all do this. It's just that flashy Hollywood/Marvel MCU brainrotted a whole generation to be impatient and just action, action, joke, action
@@Tin_Le its a bit more since now animes have to start spiking up in 3 episodes max.
for example take YGO zexal as an example it is probably the best yugioh anime but it starts slow.
it really spikes up around episode 23 and it is one of the few times where the protagonist is straight up traumatized, twice and by the same group of monster too.
it's a really good childrens card game anime is all I'm saying, just that people will never give it a try because it starts out so slow.
@@nekoluxuria7721 as long as it didn't go the one piece routes when it only get really good after 500 eps then its still valid for me.
Thank you for saying this! I never understood that us vs. them mentality.
It's went nuclear in past two weeks. On ZZZ release I said that I like the game and got attacked by both Genshin and WuWa players. This is wild.
Why would Genshin people even care? 'Hey, we think our Chinese moneysink is superior to your Chinese moneysink from the exact same company', or what?
@@lacijuhos7613 I have no idea. Maybe they are just salty when someone likes different game over their favourite one.
you forgot HSR player also attacking
Or ZZZ player has worst take about "gunplay" simply because they just didn't play enough action game for their entire life.
@@politelical540 I can't even imagine what ZZZ has to do with the "gunplay" in the first place.
I feel like a specific aspect of these fandom war armies is how unwilling they are to have their game criticised. They don't fight out of love, they fight because they feel threatened. As someone who loves pokemon, I was super excited at the prospect of palworld because hell yeah, more pokemon. Better pokemon, even. If you love the game, you would obviously welcome more or better content in whatever form regardless of its title or producer. Instead, it's like they're obsessed with the IP or something.
I also think journalism on new games within the genre stokes the fires by continually comparing them to existing staples (hell, there's a reason that 'the dark souls of x' has become such a meme). This is especially egregious in reporting on live-service, where they continue to jump the gun and say this game is going to be the Genshin killer, we promise guys, this time it really will happen! Which, if anything, just makes the fandom armies feel more validated when they start spewing hate. (Oh, you mentioned this almost verbatim lol.)
Honestly, this may sound a little strange, but to me it almost comes off as entitled. As someone interested in genres that are far more niche than open-world gachas or monster-tamers, I would kill to have a steady influx of games so long as it provides me with enjoyable gameplay or story.
Yeah, sure do love being told that I have Stockholm Syndrome for not being interested in Palworld. Couldn't possibly be because I have actual criticisms regarding certain aspects...
(Not aimed at you specifically, BTW, just tired of having my criticisms towards Palworld constantly shoved aside because 'I don't matter'.)
The problem with Genshin is that they spend 5 minutes doing their dailies and then have the entire rest of the day to be terminally online 😔😔
last time i was this early rip space still had multiply coins
While there is a lot to criticize in Genshin, I don't think it's surprising how defensive the loud part of the community is when it comes to the game. Mainly because every new open world gacha game is touted by their communities as being better than Genshin or the Genshin killer or just an excuse to shit on the game in general. So it's no surprise that they will take any chance to shit on the new games whenever they come out. That being said, people in general just need to learn to chill out and just enjoy what they like playing. It really just comes down to your own opinion of something at the end of the day.
But seriously Genshin is a snoozefest
@jamesnicol8352 I mean, to each their own. I'm enjoying it personally.
Imagine a mirror world where Tectone reacts to Tsunul's video
that would be funny i think
Pokemon fans act like pokemon OWNS the concept of collecting and monster fights to where any other game is slandered to death
Shin Megami Tensei came first before Pokemon, Digimon, Yo-kai Watch, Palworld, Temtem, Casette Beasts, etc. And ironically, it deconstructed the concept of monster collecting, befriending, and battling by having a dark storyline, abuse of demons, and characters dying. Too bad the SMT series was overshadowed by one of its spin-offs, Persona.
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 dragon quest monsters came a close second to smt in timing yet people called the switch game "medieval pokemon"
This is probably the trend but nowadays I never engage with any fanbase extensively, primarily any game I care about beyond friends I met and if its strictly a discussion (and even then It's already taxing, let alone being part of that community).
Going through multiple gaming spaces mostly with a few side topics over lockdown and post-lockdown years (shout-out to Disco Elysium, they're cool), I've had to accept that massive fanbases are blatantly too toxic if not too fanatic over their favourites. Including their respective opposition's, I've kinda opted to stay out of those circles to keep my experiences and thoughts to myself and others who are interested in it, especially since I used to participate myself to an amount that tarnished both my growth as a person and especially my own enjoyment of that series (unfortunately it's not even too far in the past, going out of that mindset is a different thing).
In the end, enjoy what you like and be free to view things critically whilst being open-minded. There's no fun throwing slander that harm people directly when its only about a game that by nature uses the consumer as the means for profit. The months after realizing how much gaming drama had sapped my own enjoyment of it and grew my own over obsession over it made me exhausted for absolutely no good reason.
Every time people say x (game) "killer", those are the same people who are either trolls or just want to see the world burn.
Yup, we had “Pokemon Killers”, “Sonic Killers”, “GTA Killers”, “WoW Killers”, “Skyrim Killers”, “Super Smash Bros. Killers”, and now “Genshin Impact Killers”.
Then we take a look at the Blue archive fandom and they be having a degree on gatekeeping a game I have honestly never seen this extreme before
the problem is, is that they try to bring that to the ZZZ fandom (this is more apparent with the subreddit) and it falls apart because zzz is more than lolis, it has something for everyone.
@@NeoSpirawhich is ironic. Because BA is also the same.
@@NeoSpirai mean yeah, they have loli, but zzz also have sexy ladies, furries and bishounen.
like the amount of horni i see because of lycaon makes me laugh
@@mitacestalia7532 HORNY FOR ALL ❤️
@@NeoSpira BA has more than lolis aswell and tbh most of ZZZ fandom has already embraced the loli character
its just the official sub reddit being on their own
R/ZenlessZoneZero (the unofficial one) has 2/3 the amount of members and its filled with cunny posting lmao
1:34 GINTAMA MENTIONED WOOHOO (onscreen for 2 seconds)
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the toxicity of fandoms can be attributed to a simple reason: these mfers take it way too seriously
here's a very recent experience i had back at our beloved project moon server: i decided to do a little ragebaiting over at the "Altar of Sinclairism" thread (basically krooming room (now renamed to kromer n-porium) but for sinclair fans), insulted the guy saying that everything about him is stupid except the good IDs and called him a loser. some just took a boring approach and just posted the "Blazing Strike" skill from dawn office sinclair, atleast some of them gave actual reasoning
then i decided to add some silly memes with sinclair and kromer. i have posted those memes in other servers where mods sometimes even talk with the regular members, but what did those crybabies worshipping the biggest crybaby do? they cried to the mods and got my ass muted for 3 days.
in short: stop treating your favorite character like a deity and touch some fucken grass
i love Sinclair, but i can't even take it seriously too 😂😭
i love alice too but i fear that she will disappear if i touch the grass or drink my medicine
My dude, you went somewhere looking to cause trouble and anger people and then got surprised when you caused trouble and angered people. Sounds like you're the one who needs to touch grass.
The actual problem is no barrier of entry. Game is basically free to play, meaning any kid can just download the game and play and since they didn't put any money into it they act like they can basically do whatever they want and just be a nuisance. I guarantee you if gacha games costed money like any other game the toxicity would've disappear overnight. It doesn't even need to be a lot of money. 5 bucks. No, 3 bucks. Charge 2.99 up front for Genshin Impact and i guarantee the community will improve in an instant as annoying children with no income would have no choice but leave and actual fans would gladly pay one time payment of 2.99 to continue playing. It's gate keepy AF, but that's literally the only way you can keep your community safe. By not letting toxic people in it in the first place.
yeah but games that people pay for still have toxic fanbases, adults are just as capable if not even more so than kids when it comes to being extremely toxic in their fanbase
Unrelated to genshin and pm but i still think is relevant with fandoms, they can genuinely be the worst sometimes especially when it comes to fan content of the thing they like. Like a day or two ago in the fnaf fandom, a fan project released a demo of a fangame that they've been working on for a good while i believe, and the dev team has been getting sent gore and death threats in their dms for seemingly no reason other than the fact they dislike the project. It is just so baffling to me that people can be so miserable to the point where you are driving someone off a platform because you specifically dont like something.
Just Genshit players being genshit players
I seriously hate that sending gore shit. You aren't cool or edgy or "owning" anybody, you're at best some lame 14 year old who thinks they're tough for looking at intestines all day, or you're 30+ acting like a lame teenager.
Idk why it's so hard to just not interact with something if you don't like it, or at least be decent when talking about how much you dislike it. I'm not even saying to never be loudly annoyed with something you really hate, I tend to do that with bland anime girls that a particular type of people tend to enjoy, but I'm not actively going out of my way to mock a fictional character. It can be fun to "bully" one, but being obsessive over something you claim to hate is just so unwarranted. There's a difference between passionate and obsessive, and most people are just obsessive.
man, you are few CC i really enjoy watching in the middle of burning forest on my timeline.
they way you present your points is so click for me.
regardless agree or disagree, you will be my example of "good presentation = good discussion"
thanks for your hardwork, really enjoy your discussion video as always.
(i almost choked when you bring AK vs genshin joke)
Another banger video mate
But seriously at this rate it feels like the fans of some of these games are fucking brainwashed, not by the company but by themselves because of how they advocate the game to rival a pious Spanish Inquisionist, it's ridiculous.
One Piece has the worst toxic cult fandom of all time.
The Genshin fandom is really something else. A majority of players are pretty neutral, but the loud ones (both haters and the fanatics) are very toxic and there's little room for a balanced opinion.
The fanatics are bad. The haters are bad. You either have to think everything about the Genshin is perfect. Or you have to think everything the game has done is the worst shit ever.
I've invested a lot more in Genshin than I should be proud of. I love the combat system, elemental reactions are fun, I love the character designs, I love the lore, the music is fantastic, the actual world is beautifyl, etc.
Does that mean I think the game can do no wrong? No. There are so many faults you can make a thesis.
Artifact farming. I'm fine with the system in theory but the RNG makes farming unberable. At least let us choose (1) the artfiacr we want or (2) the main stat we want.
I think the Traveler is one of the worst example of a quiet/self-insert MC in gaming.
I think the main story has spent too long spinning its wheels and it doesn't feel like much has progressed.
The game's idea of events are mostly a bunch of mini-games that give sparse rewards.
The REALLY good stories and lore are locked behind lost events.
Sometimes when we have long events, the part of the stort that matters doesn't become relevant until the very end.
A majority of character's have interesting lore, backstories, and have potential for development. But most of them are barely allowed to develop. Their potential feels largely ignored. And worst, things like lore and even some character's story quests are focused on NPCs.
4.8's Summer Event is horrendously boring so far and I think most of the characters they chose to rep for the event makes absolutelt zero sense. (I also just don't like Nilou- sorry for my opinion.)
And there's more. So much more.
Does this mean I hate everything abour Genshin? Of course not. I love the game and play it every day. Playing through the Abyss us how I *relax*. I'm harsh toward it because it has so much potential that feels like it's being wasted.
I feel like my opinions are fairly balanced. But fuck me for trying to just vent about my criticisms on Twitter. The amount of Genshins fans who will bend-over-backwards just to defend things like the Traveler is absolutely inane.
My King or Queen, you dropped this: 👑.
I agree with the first part entirely about those who hate and those that are to much fans. Both are equally bad.
but the second point of criticisms I don’t really agree with all of them.
Why can't Genshin fans be more like you?
Bro you peak my mind ,don't you?
It's funny how you posted this video yesterday and today hoyo fans are fighting fate fans rn😭
I feel it funny that Genshin gets more invested in beef other gacha than actually playing a game.
Also the people if meet irl are the chillest people, dont let strangers ruin your fun.
Just before seeing this notification I was seeing a tweet about someone from the Guilty Gear fandom dissing BlazBlue and a bunch of BlazBlue fans ratio-ing them to hell
0:38 WUTHERING WHAT- (nice video btw)
WOOOAHHH ROUND AND ROUND WE GO
PM fandom is 100% a cult, still way better than pretty much other gacha fandom.
At least it looks like there are benefits by lowering the bar and going into the gacha market.
I wouldn't say its better than other fandoms since each fandom has its own unique qualities that some people may personally like more than others.
The Blue Archive community is one of the most beloved and one of the most hated communities for example. Many people seem to accuse them of gatekeeping, when most of the comments I have seen on youtubers playing BA for the first time and even not liking the lolis have been pretty positive. A lot of them just really dont like the mainstream audience attacking the fanservice and lolis in their game. Whether this is a postive or negative is honestly up to person to person. I lot of Blue Archive players I see really adore their community.
Every fandom has its bad apples and I think that would includes the PM fandom. I remember quite a few instances that really exemplified this.
1. The incident of summer 2023
War Flashbacks*
2. LOR ending review bombing
3. Battlepass costing paid lunacy
Remember when PM made the battlepass cost paid lunacy which meant you had to purchase paid lunacy to get the battlepass and there wasn't a battlepass package at the time. Many people immediately went on their pitchforks and called out PM for their predatory monetisation including certain content creators who I shall not name. There was a ridiculous amount of misinformation going around as per usual with all PM controversies. Some people just said that since the changes were not implemented, PM is probably going to release a paid lunacy battlepass package soon. The Limbus Reddit and Pm community discord was pretty unusable for the entire day until sure enough PM released a statement saying they wanted to change the system for easier refunds, etc and that they completely forgot to include a paid battlepass package inside. This change was announced less than 24 hours. The PM community didn't even give 24 hours before they started rioting.
4.Enthusiasm
There are some people that criticise the Limbus fandom for being too enthusiastic about their game. I saw recently one r/gachagaming post calling out Limbus players for glazing too hard and not contributing to discussions. I do understand too that it may be somewhat annoying for certain content creators to get a million unrelated PM comments for something random they said. But ultimately, this is a very minor issue, most people tend to not care. I do understand the hate if they do.
Honestly after the summer incident, its really hard for me to fully integrate myself or like the PM fandom fully but its slowly recovering. Im not going to fully fault even the bad apples for behaving this way, if you think about everything on a macroscopic level and their individual perspectives, everyone's behaviour makes some amount of sense.
Overall, I think my experience with the PM fandom has been pretty positive, the memes and inside jokes are pretty amazing and I really like participating in lore discussions. However Im mostly neutral on whether its one of the better fandoms I have been in
We have a nice little banner! It just says "Join us, we have Snaust!" with a picture of her saying "Snaust knows!".
@@AudibleNoiseContentMan, the number three is kind of funny because when I see it all I can think is "This definitely a mistranslation or something because this can kill their game" and I'm right. Also that time I was calm because I'm pretty much F2P, so the battle pass doesn't affect me.
@@AudibleNoiseContent To be fair, the summer 2023 event was almost entirely solely on the Korean side, everybody else really didn't care about it. And even then it's due to their politics and current situation, not really related to what most normal people felt outside of Korea
@@sidekic1109 I highly disagree with this one, the EN community's reaction was worse than the KR community. There were dozens of CCs quitting because of misinformation. There was ridiculous amounts of misinformation like how people claimed that Koreans threatened violence(people still believe it to this day). People somehow still believe that the summer 2023 incident was started because of swimsuits. The most popular videos about the topic still contain ridiculous amounts of misinformation or seemed to be made in bad faith to fit their narrative.
TBH with Pokemon vs Palworld, this isn't first time this happen. Pokemon had a *long* history of having beef between pretty much any franchise that is in the monster tamer genre. Especially for both Digimon and Yo-kai Watch.
And to a lesser extent, Fossil Fighters (despite both being owned and published by Nintendo).
As the Fandoms grow it's not uncommon to see some of the rotten apples to start showing either due to it being mainstream or just actual shitposting
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Fandoms become what they are as to what the game studio treats them. Basically, it's a hysteria of years on how a game company badly treats them and alienates them. In honesty, I watched and observed many gacha games I've encountered so far. For the last two years of playing genshin, I quit right before it went to downhill. After that, it went into a pile of a dumpster-fire. I'm amazed at how can a community like genshin and their toxic behavior could do. It is so bizarre and insane seeing a documentary of the Genshin fandom.
In other words. It's all about how you treat, and care the fandom. They reflect as to what you are as a studio. That made me realize when I join a certain gacha community. The game was just right, generous, wholesome, the devs are commited and they share the same values to the community, as well as their CEO of the game. Some people can be problematicsince not all community are perfect. But I made a wholesome friends along the way which is diabolical since I never made one throughout playing Genshin Impact
*sees a post about genshin*
*most of the comments are about wuwa*
*sees a wuwa post*
*most of the comments are about genshin*
both of these fandoms really are cut from the same cloth and I hope they stop their immaturity lmao
I wonder why Genshin fandom circles are like entering chernobyl. It's quite confusing how one game can hold the Gacha Game equivalent of Stinkmeaner (Probably a bad example, correct me if I'm wrong) yet alone thousands of them.
What gets me even more is (at least from what I know) Mi Hoi Yo haven't really done too much that you could accuse them of supporting such an audience, maybe there were incidental things. But it really feels like they just randomly and suddenly got a Toxic AF fanbase, leaving them confused on how TF to handle this.
@@blazichaos7181Frl but I think it’s probably a combination of getting a larger and wider audience, confinement cuz of a pandemic which made it so people can’t socialize much outside of the internet + mental health issues that came with it and finally the mentality of the internet going into a new direction (being more argumentative).
I’m just saying stuff that’s coming out of my arse so im just speculating
As a Nikke and AL veteran, I care not about the drama, i'm only playing the game and enjoy it 😂
Dude yes! Nikke and AL community are goated we’re just enjoying are superior waifus.
@@rubencarasa4232 yes, that's why I love these communities, no drama, no shit.. I love my Scarlett and my Taihou to the fullest 😁
I used to be one of those fan boys, man I was stupid
context (if you care): I was protecting a game called inscryption thinking it's the best card game and thought it was underrated. I thought the game would die if people talk any form of trash. I only stoped doing it after 2 weeks of blue archive global released date and played blue archive pretty much daily(enjoyed the game a lot). after rememebering inscryption I thought the game was dead because I wasn't protecting it. the result: the numbers barely changed.
moral of the story: don't be scared about the health of the game if people thinks it's bad
man that "arknights would be better if it where a compeltely differnt game" guy, like damn. its okay to not like tower defence games but this prevelent need to try and turn personal preference into indecators of objective of quality gets really tiring.
Wait until Endfield comes out (this is coming from a guy who plays Arknights, Genshin Impact, Honkai: Star Rail, Zenless Zone Zero, and Reverse: 1999).
Genshin fandom vs Doom is going to be lit
This drama between this 2 game making us normal Genshin players look bad.. Like seriously I play this game casually.. And my friends hating on me for playing the game.. Like wtf bro..
I swear it wasn't me
I genuinely wish ZZZ wasn't a gacha title. It would genuinely be a better game without that system. To the point where I am considering trying to finance something and build a team, with former mihoyo team members, to try and work on making a new title that plays like their era. However, it is designed not as a gacha ARPG, but instead designed to be a Co-Op squad centric action title. Trading number based RPG mechanics, for gear that works as moveset parts, and with foes that have strong AI and can coordinate the same way you can with your crew. Lower density and probably smaller than hoyoverse titles, but it would make up for it by being a paid title that uses high grade hybrid of paid giant dlc expansions, and free content updates that have strong quality control and volume. And, the dlc expansions would be priced below market value in terms of what they usually go for, to state "you dont need to pay top dollar for everything". It's a dream title that is made to be fun, enjoyable, and replayable. No need for an MMO style setup. Just a fantastic title that takes the best of gacha games, and cuts the gacha out from it.
Zzz wouldn't work as a non gacha game because it literally fails at being a game in the first place
@@Mehieddin7i see your views, zzz tries to be everything that it feels it is nothing. If its story, theme, and its character interaction dont interest you, then spend more time on other games
@@padhwee3e It's definitely a style over substance game. This is probably the first time that a story from the gacha gets me hooked because I just love the characters in it. Sure, the combat is braindead but it's just so stylish and jazzy that it gives me a dopamine rush whenever I hit that perfect parry/switch attack.
But I can definitely understand how it's not for everyone.
@@Mehieddin7 so ZZZ shutdown tomorrow because you don't like it ?
That would be amazing. I'm not interested in playing anymore gachas, i'm at four now from genshin HSR CRK and WuWa, but zenless has definitely pulled me in with the style and aesthetics. Only problem though is like what others have said, it seems to value style over a story.
Again I haven't played, moreso watched people play it so my criticisms aren't as in depth, but it feels like there's more that can be done with the world. I like Nekomata's story, I like Victoria Housekeeping, and the MCs to me are just as interesting as hoyo's protags tend to be (which is, shallow and bland on the surface but surprisingly interesting when you look deeper), but the story feels boring. Kind of the same issue WuWa has, again, imo. As cute and charming as it is, you can't rely on bangboos and urban tech aesthetics for a story based game.
"Lest talk about Genshin."
*gets an ad for it*
I recently saw a comment on WW being superior in animation in an animated clip of ZZZ. Like why are we comparing animation on something like this? They aren't the same company also different genre except the gacha part. We really need to learn how to chill also they could just say they prefer WW animation better than what ZZZ had, thats a better wording than calling ZZZ having worst animation.
I remembered WuWa community tries to shit talk to ZZZ at times because it also a new game on the block. And people have high expectations on it due to how unique the animations are. I can understand the critics from it but god dammit, don’t compare WuWa to ZZZ. WuWa to Genshin comparison is fine by me but ZZZ is a totally different game.
There 2 communities that from Kuro and Hoyo that actually co exist and doesn’t start a fight like Genshin and WuWa communities. Honkai Impact 3rd Community and Punishing Grey Raven Community. Both are pretty much the same game infact. PGR is just more stylish and more punishing like 1 hit = death. But both communities actually coexisted. A pretty rare sight to see as Kuro Fans and Hoyo Fans actually not fighting.
i will say that this isnt fandoms "becoming horrible" fandoms have literally *always* been like this and its misleading and inaccurate to call it a gen z problem, its just that more people notice it now because of large sites with a lot of traffic like twitter (compared to in person or smaller message boards). tho i do agree that it is still a problem
Meanwhile Blue Archive fandom
Nah our fandom never goes war with other fandom. We go war against Authority, especially legal government agency 🤣🤣
how can BA fandom even have a fandom war when in doing so, they will reveal their locations to the FBI
@@KoharuTachibana go on come, we welcome newcomer.
Another thing I also wanna mention; room for error.
Or rather, the LACK of room for error. You talk about something, and make even one, EVEN A SINGLE MISTAKE, or an error in your talk and points, or express your opinion and experiences? Get roasted online, get called an idiot and a fool and people acting like you dont know what youre saying at all, because you didnt enjoy it the "intended" way or something. I swear to god, people keep saying we should be open yet any and all errors and differing experiences are met with such vitriol that it really does discourage newcomers to try these things or engage with the community.
I barely ever say anything bad about stuff I don't have personal experience with, but the moment I do oh BOY do I tear every negative side to those things wide open. The amount of shit I've given to Genshin, HSR, Limbus, OW, League, the Souls series and a plethora of other games would make it seem I'm the biggest hater of every last one of them ever. That's the furthest from the truth though, I absolutely adore every single one of said games, and it probably won't be long until I add AK into the list of things I criticize out of pure love.
If someone asks for my opinion regarding any of these games, a mechanic in them, general strats or whatnot, I always seek to answer in the most brutally honest way; for example, is Genshin's combat good? No, it straight up isn't, it's even worse when you begin and only gets marginally less ass the further you get/with more units you get. But despite all that, at the very end I ALWAYS say; ''But at the end of the day, you do you. Experience it yourself, then make your own judgement, and don't let my opinion sway yours.'' Well not word to word, but similar enough that the message gets across.
In summary, form your own opinions of things irregardless of what others think. Enjoy what you enjoy, others be damned. Their opinions don't impact you in any way, and if they do you're swayed too easily by general opinion, sorry to say. Play what you want, like what you want, dislike what you want (do it in a civil manner preferably) and just be yourself. Let people on the internet tell you you're a shit person and a traitor for playing both Genshin and WuWa, if they got enough time and energy to be so pressed about what you do just imagine how boring their existence must be. Don't waste your energy on that kind of stuff, use it for yourself.
Ask me what I feel about IS3 in like a week and I'll eat the entire mode, chew it til it's done and then spit it out. And at the end I'll still answer that it's a solid 8/10 ignoring the dice x)
As a Warframe vet I weep at what the community became in the last 5 years.
Tsunul you have my eternal respect for using Gathers Under Night as the song for the intro
I still remember the time when Sherlock, Doctor Who and Supernatural became like one giant fandom (Superwholock) who just like dominated Tumblr. Some aspects were really cool, people crafting new ideas, mixing stories, it was fun and a nice community, recommending good series. Golden era really. Sadly it also turned soooo toxic and just deflated to small cells. And all this stuff now? Just stupid. I get it, you want to protect the thing you love, but jeez, there is a line you don't want to cross, because otherwise you turn your fandom ridiculous.
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Yes just because you love something doesn't mean you can't be critical of it.
I mean I'm someone who is critical of the stuff i love
"-People were saying the designs in the game were made using AI, and their evidence towards this fact was..." *insert crunchyroll ad*
Banger video essay as always, the only good kind of tribalism is the funny meme tribalism in Helldivers, Deep Rock Galactic, or among Lallafel players, that stuff will never not be funny to me.
I personally love Palworld and to this day the thing that ALWAYS annoys me and instantly makes me lose respect for people is when they compare Grintale to Galarian Meowth saying Palworld "copied the face" even though it's literally just the Cheshire Cat smile from Alice in Wonderland which is older than Nintendo itself and in the public domain, NEITHER company owns the cheshire cat and yet it keeps being brought up in the plagiarism discussions, it's like saying Project Moon plagiarised Fate because they used Don Quixote as a character, which is patiently rediculous.
People seriously need to chill the hell out in general, the world's on fire enough as it is we don't need to add an ocean's worth of oil to that fire.
And that yellow monster with claws looks more like Totoro than Snorlax or Electivire. Hell, some of Palworld’s monster designs actually look more like Digimon, Dragon Quest, or Yo-kai Watch than Pokemon.
Shriou and ritsuka fans are the epitome of stop hitting yourself
Internal fandom wars are sort of a different thing, but dear god the Fallout fans vs Fallout fans is something else, with how the fans of the Bethesda made stuff while the fans of the pre-Bethesda and also New Vegas are constantly at each other's throats about the quality and direction of the series. Elder Scrolls is also sorta like it but to a lesser degree and ends up just becoming a part of the overall new vs old Bethesda arguments.
This sort of loops into something I heard about how fandoms react to external criticism based on how much internal arguments there are, like how you mentioned Nintendo fans going rabid against Palworld where this theory says that the fanbase ends up like that because on the inside its more of a hugbox. While if there's a competitor to Fallout then Fallout fans generally either don't care or jump ship to it because the constant internal fandom war makes a new thing feel like less of a threat than the other side within the existing fandom.
as someone who loves genshin, i have found the secret to being happy and enjoying what you like.
i quit twitter (do it, i never quit another social media before but its the exception, just close it and dont look)
(also hoyo and kuro should collab, itd be so damn funny)
I’m a fan of Genshin
Not going to even associate with the Twitter shit. I don’t care about the skin colors, I don’t care about the “sides”, and I don’t care about the drama. I hate the whole “GeNsHiN cOuLd NeVeR” shit from HSR players because they choose to ignore the things Genshin does that SR doesn’t just to say that. I play both (and now Zenless as well) and they’re all great. Having an internal war is just… *Stupid.*
I’m probably also going to play Wuthering Waves when I see a character I like come out too
Yea I play only Honkai Star Rail now and I would never say that, some people have nothing to do like just play the game
Every fandom has it's bad apples. Some a bit more than most
Also I've always wondered why are the beginnings of games so boring but then take a 180 and become the best pieces of fiction ever made?
because you haven't spent any time with the characters, they're basically strangers so why would you care about them until later
it really depends on the game, but that case is just how story telling is going. For example, it takes probably longer for PGR with their storyline because they only start build up on certain arc. Arknight starts good when you realise the world building.
Nikke is example how banger opening can make player stay. Their first chapter killed a character, which is why people play for plot and PLOT.
Now Limbus Company story is always good even since beginning because story and character are their main focus.
not all games, but gacha games in general have this problem. mostly because in the beginning they need to gamble whether the game will have any paying players at all. once the money starts flowing consistently they invest a lot more in the story since well... the audience are built at this point.
FGO has this problem in the beginning where the story picks up at chapter 6, almost a year after the game release and proceed to become one of the best story in gacha space.
I remember a time when it was considered a grave sin to be a Fairy Tail fan. Almost every fandom, especially the One Piece fandom had beef with it. Dozens of vids titled “Fairy Tail is trash” or “Fairy Tail is the WORST anime ever” spread like wildfire with such malice it puts Jim Crow to shame.
People want the outside world to validate their internal feelings. It's as simple as that. They don't like opposition, criticism, or discomfort. People like this have always existed, but the Internet has given them a voice and a gathering space, encouraging echo chambers and isolation.