Train On Fire! Completely Shuts Down NS Pittsburgh Line!
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Train locomotive on fire going under a bridge that we were standing on! Thick black smoke could be seen for miles before the Norfolk Southern freight train got to us. The smoke turned to fire and the train stalled out just as the locomotive on fire passed us. The NS Pittsburgh Line was shut down for a couple hours until a railroad inspector came out to inspect the engine. They also brought a couple other locomotives to tie onto the front of the train and then take it east toward Altoona Pennsylvania. This fire happened at Cassandra Pennsylvania on June 18, 2018 at 1:23pm. Millenniumforce, Andy Revello and I had just got here. I have more video of this that I will make into a longer video showing them coupling on a couple helper locomotives to pull the train. 160.800 old Conrail frequency. Thanks for watching! Please comment, rate and SUBSCRIBE TO JAWTOOTH!!
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We call that fire out the stack. It's not a big deal, there's really no danger to anyone on the train. The fire is entirely inside the exhaust system of the engine and is caused by bad turbo bearings. It was still running when it passed under the bridge, so it didn't blow up or hurt anything. They'll throw a new turbo on and pat it on the rear and send it down the road like nothing ever happened.
98% correct there, except its the seals in the turbo that go bad, not just the bearings
Dodger
Not always, or even often. I've found more with just failed bearings, the fire is caused by the impeller dragging or stopping altogether and not putting enough air in the engine to match the amount of fuel being injected. The impeller only needs to drop about .030" to contact the turbo housing, if that happens at a fairly low speed, catastrophic failure doesn't occur, the impeller just stops spinning. When the seals fail, you get engine oil all over the carbody and walkways.
This seems to always happen to Norfolk Southern more than any other railroad, even CSX. Must be all those grades they're pulling in the Apellatians. Even UP doesn't have THAT much turbo trouble in the Rockies!
Erzahler
To be fair, it's not always the turbo that causes this fire out the stack condition. There could be 2 or 3 fuel injection pumps going bad and cause the same problem. Then, on top of that, the electronic FI pumps are controlled by the EGU, or Electronic Governor Unit. A bad EGU can also sometimes bethe cause of this condition.
Ralfie only 3 one hundredths of an inch? That's so small it almost seems like they should be able to easily design it with a little more clearance or try to keep the impeller blade from ever being able to contact anything to stop it (like maybe also make the housing a little father away from it and make the turbo slightly fatter/wider maybe? I'd think it'd only need to be just a little wider, like 1/10 of an inch...and I say that like that because I can imagine it's bad enough to get into those engines anyway...and no I'm not a train mechanic or a mechanic at all, so if my ideas were flawed somehow that's why lol
Just like I said on your old GE turbo blown video. “Crispy GE for dinner anyone”?
I like my GEs well cooked
LOL
Time and chance! You were on the scene at the right place and time. That does not often happen. Yes, one of those days when an engineer must ask himself: What could possibly go wrong today? This was one of those days for that crew. Excellent video!
The locomotive wasn't really "on fire"--it was overly-rich exhaust caused by incomplete combustion, and the exhaust itself was burning. This wastes a lot of fuel and pollutes the air. As others have stated, this requires repair work. I've seen flaming exhaust from radial aircraft engines (on Martin 404 aircraft), but this only happens during takeoff when a richer fuel mixture is employed and the engine is running at a high RPM; after takeoff at most only a small blue flame appears representing more complete combustion.
Turbo fires not uncommon in GE's of this era. Engineer wisely shut it down before it could spread to the rest of the unit. Thanks for sharing.73
B/O turbo belching partially burnt fuel. In addition to being a four stroke engine GE prime movers are truly turbocharged, the exhaust powering the device. With EMD prime movers we are talking about a hybrid of sorts. In run one and through run five, these operate like a roots blower, being gear driven. From run 6 through run 8 a clutch disengages from the gear drive and from there it operates as a true turbocharger, run by the exhaust. The main difference is when this occurs with an EMD prime mover there is a hellatious ‘chirping’ sound heard as well and very loud.
With bearing problems, they usually just let go and disintegrate. The old GE U-boats were notorious for that.
turbos are centrifugal, roots blowers are not, just saying.
It looks like he dialed the power back for a couple of seconds just as the locomotive passed under you.I'm thinking that was for the benefit of the people viewing the train to not get smoke and fire spewed on them.Good catch!
Steve Grainger
Not to mention the raw diesel fuel---
yes
That bridge over the rails appears to be on a crest of a hill. Once the front was over the crest, there is less of a load. Once more of the front of the train is on a downhill grade, the engineer begins reducing fuel to the engines, which results in less smoke and fire. The crew may have stopped the train not because of the burning fuel going up the stack, but having part of the train on one side of a grade and the other part of the train on the other side of the grade creates a good parking situation. I can't from the video to see if the train was given a stop signal. They may have been required to come to a complete stop before descending a bad grade. Heading up a mountain isn't the scary part. It is the heading down the mountain that is.
I like that saying. It is like the first thing done before moving is the brake test, since it is more important to be able to stop than be able to go.
had one of those coming into Wollongong (Australia) a few months ago. Train was going down something like 20 KM of 1 in 30- 33 and lost control. Lucky they were able to reroute the train away from anything else and get it back under control. Not like at Cima hill in the US 30 odd years ago. That was one for the ages, sadly.
I’m in South Carolina right now. I am filming an RJ Corman line that goes to Myrtle Beach. They might reopen the line for tourist trains
Question. was this on a long downgrade and the fire was overheating of the dynamic braking system?
Turbo failure while attempting to pull uphill. Crew should have noticed power issues-- probably put their cell phones down or woke up, then shut down. Had to call for additional power both to pull and restart train on grade. Dynamic brake issues aren't evident thru exhaust stack, rather thru dynamic brake ventilation grids.
Every now and then a loco that has experienced a turbo failure and fire can be seen with the paint burned off. Darn oil goes everywhere.
Thanks. I guess the "downhill apppearance of the line" was an optical illusion. PS I thot that opening was the exit area of the dynamic brake. What I remember from those I worked around at the B&O in 57/58 were round ports on top with a fan forcing air thru the resistors. ???
Frederick Wise it was a long steep grade. I’m going to put the whole video together showing the helper locomotives coming to the rescue. Another train went by and started a grass fire here also a couple hours after this. I’m in South Carolina right now so I don’t know when I can make the whole video
Jaw Tooth WOW😨😁
Now THATS an oil burner!
By being a truck owner, I'd hate to see the repair bill on this. Lol
Great balls of fire! That's one heck of a hotdog grill. Time for a new turbo. Cheers, Dan
Ooooh, look: a genuine G.E. Toaster! :-)
When Diesel Locomotives try to be Steam Locomotives
i remember this . word got out on FB on the travel groups about it
I love your videos JAW TOOTH, they are fun to watch. I like your Grand Daughters too.
Most likely bad turbo bearings, we recently got in a car accident head on, we were ok when we got impacted, suddenly, our truck started sputtering and since I was in the passenger side of the truck, i looked out my window to see grey smoke coming out of the exhaust. The trucks engine ran away but since some people were nearby, some volunteered to shut down the engine by loosening the intake and using a wood block to stop any air getting into the engine, and thankfully stalled the engine. We got a new gmc sierra and I love it a lot better since we needed a new truck. Always remember to wear your seatbelt!
No big deal for the General Explosion locomotives. Alcos smoke when throttling up and GEs shoot 🔥 out the stack when working hard.
Nicely Capture!
That was cool glad everything turned out ok
That darn zero cost budgeting at work again. Yay!
Rad catch! You have a knack for being in the right place at the right time to catch some interesting stuff, lol :P
When I search up train with engine problems on CZcams, all I see are videos of Norfolk Southern 😂
In the right place at the right time. Congratulations.
That is about the sixth engine that I have seen this summer on fire. Good they shut it down could have been a disaster.
GE's seem to do that a lot even with properly functioning turbos. I've seen that several times when GE Diesels are pulling slow and hard. Looks dramatic, but no big deal.
G.E.'s tend to burn out turbochargers for some reason.
Blown turbo on rear unit, and a clearly audible air leak on front unit which doesn't appear to be online. Might be the only reason he kept it running for as long as he did was to get the rear of his train clear of some points
Another GE blows a turbo . I don't know how many videos I've seen on CZcams of General Electrics blowing up like that and I bet it didn't smell very good when it went under that bridge .
I cant count the times a SD40-2 or SD40T-2 blows a main generator......I still use BN C30-7s daily, while all the SDs from America are dead....LONG LIVE THE C30-7, BB40-9W, and ES43BB!
Still some sd40s used in stationary power plant duty ...a lot in Florida...for peak shaving and black start
we got some SD40T-2s still running, some SD40-2s from CP...but a lot of the C30-7s are still going...we got 234 from the USA, only a small amount got scrapped so far.
Why do I see a lot of trains driving down the left-hand tracks? Aren't they supposed to drive on the right side like a car?
That event got Jaw Tooth's turbo burning too!
I love that video buddy....🎉🎉❤❤❤
Ilove trains it.s nice vidéo iam SNTF from algeria
I love the smell of fresh roasted turbo in the morning ... 🚂🔥
actually the case is that its been under heavy load for a handsome amount of time
Oh my gosh I hope they are ok also I love your videos jaw tooth
Not on fire, turbo went out and the engine was struggling on its own, the fire is the flaming exhaust gas temps
I just subscribed to your channel, I am a railfan from way back. This is a very impressive video. Bless You.
Nice catch my friend, i didn't see this video until now, i generally watch all your latest vids but not sure why i missed this one.
Thanks for watching
What a smoke... and fire... Just like ALCO. Thumb up for the video :)
TenSzaleniecCoNagrywaPociągi Thanks!
Hey Brian, awesome catch, thanks for sharing.
The GE Dash 9 diesel locomotive full throttle and hard work can caused black smoke eruption with Flames in Exhaust stack because engine overheat.
I just got this on my feed from REVELLO608. I thought I saw you in his video. Pretty neat!
Wow!!! Now that's some live action. Wooooooo
RIP turbo
flame on! did anyone remember to bring the hotdogs?.............nice video!
Incredible catch
It sure seems like anytime there is a problem it is one of these NS black horse trains. Is it something with that company?
Superb upload...great capture...nicely presented....like it
Not a big problem.. It's just the moment Johny Blaze transformed to Ghostrider while driving a train :P :D
Where exactly did this happen? Where on the line?
I ain't no expert but... that second engine be smokin a little
R.I.P. Dash 9 Turbo
You are intelligent sir
Excellent video Brian.
time to replace the motor Brian.glad whe have very strong E.loks. have a nice weekend.greetz:Peerke.
I only wish that america would invest in electrification and high speed rail. We don't have our transportation priorities in order. Not even a realistic plan for future implementation.
It just needs a new turbo. There's nothing wrong with the engine.
Lmao I love the fact that the crew doesn't care, they just keep pushing forward.
Update: never mind, apparently they didn't have the balls to do that.
...and railroad companys are still buying them!Why???
You know a better alternative? I'm sure they would love to hear it.
For a moment I thought it was an Alco coming down the line, lol.
I wish I could see the carnage inside this engine
None at all just turbo or maybe a few injection pumps
Oh wow thats not healthy!
NariNaraga22 Nope! LOL
NariNaraga22 agree
Hi Jaw Tooth / Yes I agree "Wow" Gary from Michigan 🚂
Awesome 👌
I can't believe that's all the power they would put on a stack train.
Just a blown turbocharger nothing new here. It's a good thing it didn't runaway with him I seen alot of runaway diesel videos and the outcome is never good.
i am glad they shut down the locomotive in time. Before it got worse. I think they should have on board fire extinguishers. In case this happens. Then have the fire department come. And have her checked out while the repair crews come to tow her back to the shops. I so glad no one got hurt
sven martin
What you saw was as bad as that one was going to get. The fire was entirely contained inside the engine's exhaust system and was no danger to the crew. Each locomotive has at least 2 fire extinguishers onboard. It wouldn't have done any good to use them though because the fire was contained in the exhaust system. No repair crews would come out and tow it back to the shop, the corridor manager would send another unit out so the train would have enough power to get where it's going, the bad turbo unit would stay right where it is until the train reached the shop that was going to fix it.
Blown turbo along with the fire burning the oil in the exhaust system but not enough to blow up the motor which ive witnessed before.
Acting like an Alco? No big deal. Just send it to Juniata or Roanoke, slap a new motor in there, rebuild the unit into an AC44C6M, and it'll be good to go for about 20 more years!
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How can the main be completely shut down when there are tracks on both sides?
They didn't let them use the other tracks until an inspector came out
Good video Jaw Tooth, big like from Me!
I'm retired engineer, typical GE. I would just let it go, if burned the rest of that junker, good.
LONG LIVE THE C30-7, BB40-9W, and ES43BB...all the SD40-2s and SD40T-2s from America are dead in Rio Negro....Curitiba....all the C30-7 from the BN, UP, NS and CSX are still running....GE rules, I had no problems with them...the BB40s can sometimes be touchy...but I would rather have this than a SD, GT22, GT18, or G22.
Your not a railroader are you? Not an engineer for sure.
im not in the USA, here in Brasil we are termed drivers, and yes sir I worked for Rumo/America Latina Logistica for 9 years now...BB40-9 should be a clue as I don't think you have those nor GT22s or GT18s.
Funny, at the Soo Line we got rid of all our GE units and when GE brought in a new demo unit in 1998 one of our electricians examined the unit and said GE should have stuck to making light bulbs. We were still using some EMD GP9s that were 50 years old and were still running great. All our GE units were scrapped a loooong time ago.
MRS logistica still uses U23Cs that were built for the RFFSA back in the late 60s early 1970s...America Latina Logistica bought all C30-7s from UP, BN, CSX, and NS...well maybe not all, we have nearly 300....some are being rebuilt, aluminum wire taken out and rewired (which was the main problem with U series and C series)….after that they are being repainted Rumo….the U20Cs built new in spain are as well getting rebuilt, the ones from Africa are getting scrapped....all the SD40-2s from CP and almost all SD40T-2s from rio grande and SP are getting retired and replaced with ES43bb models by GE, the 8 axle locomotives pull a 200-300 car train with 1 to 2 locomotives were you would need 5 to 6 SDs FCA/VL! was running ex BNSF SF30Cs but they are cut up now, they still have their 8 C30-7s from the USA....im new to youtube, I have no videos yet, but if you search you will find them.
That's happened to me and an engineer a few times and trust me,that locomotive was back in service two days later. Oh btw, that was and old Florida East Coast unit in cole hour yard in Hammond,in this past Sunday....in case no one ever got one.
Lol at 157 you can see a backwards ferrari sign on the front
whats the number? Theres an NS that passes by my house thats 6001. The ns label is gone and the oil tanks look burnt, the horn is also scratchy so maybe it derailed or caught fire.
Edit: Nvm! Got the number, it looked like 7606 or 7608. Either way awesome catch
Thanks for the info
@@JawTooth no problem, 6001 passes by all the time and it always looks the same, seemingly old or burnt. Suprised they still put it to use under that condition. I'll have to get a video sometime!
Thanks for sharing!
My first impression of the video, is that the engineer stop the train because he knew gravity was winning and the traction motors were getting very hot. Had to stop and wait for additional locomotives. I've seen fire come out of the smokestack before, isn't normal but then again the locomotive is not imminently threatened to catch on fire either. If it was throwing fire very far above the stack of course that would be very bad and it should be shut down immediately before whatever is being destroyed is completely digested!
Yeah, the front locomotive was running very clean or was it running at all?
Being destroyed, like this! czcams.com/video/u8RvoppZT0Y/video.html
You could cook your frozen meals on that exhaust in 3 seconds
Wow was she ever cookin! Cool video. lol. Actually hot. Thanks 👍👍👍
Thanks Mike appreciated and yes diesel marshmallows does sound off anyway have a nice day
Is that a abandoned train bridge you’re on?
As a kid we said we were blowing out the carbon but at a much higher speed. Smokes worse than an old ALCO diesel.
Looks like he just finally shut that 2nd unit down. Wow could've been bad if sparks hit a dry branch or something :-(
Beautiful video!
red flames:turbo dont charge yellow flames:oil burnt to the stack orange flames. a combination of fuel and oil unburnt or bad burnt
Great catch and video!
Thank you!
Great video! Thanks
Train driver: I think we have a problem.
Holy crap that was a good catch
When did this happen?
Very cool. Thanks.
It appears that GE never got their diesels to understand that they aren't steam locomotives. To me, the only thing GE's are good at is cooking themselves.
Sanding the flues
Poor ac 4400 its mt favorite model of train 😔
Have fun in SC "B", but this is a nice catch. It always made me curious what internally was supplying the weenie roasting fire out the "chute". My Dad, once when I asked, proclaimed a variety of reasons, since he designed and built these types, from injectors to oil rings, or burnt hole in piston?? which all overheats em and suddenly or slowly ....... WHAT POWER???? LOL Wanna see that SC footage soon so DO IT RIGHT !!!
machine very" hot
A rare sight,nice catch
It's probably the most common on this particular model of diesel, the C40-9W, also called the "Dash 9". The nickname we have for these is "Trash 9" ...hahaah
Looks like injector cracked or stuck open. That’s a lot of fuel being burned.
oh man the Train Engine Blew I also Remember seeing a CN Train Turbo just Blew too! yeah it happens here in Canada too Jaw Tooth!
IT'S THE FIRE BREATHING DRAGON LOCOMOTIVE.
Dam that's at the iron bridge in Cassandra pa that train is going towards cresson
Did you bring the marshmallows and marshmallow sticks man that would have been cool love this video it's unique
Yeah, DIESEL flavored marshmallows!!!!!!
Mike Pendergrass Having accidentally tasted diesel, I find your remark amusing. Haha!