Great video. I‘m picking up my new 1200 GT Pro tomorrow!!!!, and even at 6‘2“ tall I felt it was a better option than the Rally Pro. I won‘t be going off road, so I had already concluded the GT model would be the best bike for me. Thanks for confirming my hunch.
Hey what a great indepth video loved it looking to get the tiger rally pro myself next year but i have just found out that there is now a preload button for low speed stuff under 52mph that you can do to drop the bike up to 1 inch depending on weight of rider so i defo think that is a great thing for Triumph to do after the launch of the bike to still upgrade and help with moving the beast about
I have the Rally Pro, see on my channel. I bought the lower seat and I’m 6’2 inside leg 32 inch but prefer it. Still super comfy. Screen I don’t have issues two finger adjust maybe it eases over time. Very comfy bike for long tours. I have the green bike and have powder coated my engine bars and bash plate too
Great review. I went with the GT Pro also for the seat height reason. Sure, I am losing out on some offroad fun but I am riding on-road 90% of the time and not financially well off enough to take such an expensive bike offroad often anyways...for light trails and B-roads, the GT does well too. Even with the Rally, taking a 250kg bike on a serious offroad track sounds silly.
Hi there 🖐 Totally agree with you. Taking such an expensive bike on trails seems overkill to me also, that's why i still ride my TT600 😁 But this Tiger is truly a fantastic bike. As an owner, was there anything i said you wouldn't agree with?
@@John_Neves Not at all! I think your philosophy of choosing bikes has a lot in common with mine. I also would only buy bikes I can confidently flat foot on both sides. If I must nitpick, then I would give the front suspension 3.5 or 4 stars instead of 5. They are not bad by themselves but lacking some features that competitors do. BMW GS has natural anti-dive thanks to the telelever design and comes standard with a steering dampener. That is why that bike is so solid at high speed and under hard breaking. KTM 1290 SA has anti-dive despite only featuring upside-down suspension. The Tiger has none of these things and it's worse when paired with the extremely potent Brembo Stylema calipers. I have nothing against these semiactive Showa tubes - just wish they would dive less in Road mode.
@@LinhNguyen-im4uu that's quite an interesting take on the suspension 🤔 I guess, if you don't have it, you'll never miss it right? 😁 I'm going to test-ride a GS eventually, so now you've made me curious 😁 Why did you go for the Tiger over the GS?
@@John_Neves 2 things for me: the Tiger is much cheaper than the GS where I live (a supply/demand situation) and I like Triumph in general (was upgrading from a T100).
Already directly contacted Triumph and they are not ever going to put shaft drive on the smaller bikes! Something to do with cost of re-doing transmission and loss of torx!
I ended up going with the Tiger 1200 GT Explorer myself and love it for the most part. 😅 the Rally Explorer would e been nice but I couldn’t with how tall it is. As is GT Explorer I only have a single foot down at a stop which is new for me coming from cruisers.
Hey João 👋 Thanks man, that's so nice of you 👍 Unfortunately where i live it's not easy to source bikes to test ride. But I'll keep going till i find "the one". The versys 650 is a very interesting bike. I just haven't been able to get a hold of one...
@@John_Neves I have seen almost all the reviews available for these kind of bikes and I found professional reviews and lazy reviews (a guy on a motorcycle with a headset talking for 30 min) all over CZcams. Your reviews are excellent, accurate, scientific and impartial as a true review is supposed to be. I'm amazed you don't get more followers or that you don't have more views since the quality and structure of your review is simply flawless and other reviewers should see what you are doing and copy it. Thank you
Handling wise. Its understandable that a slightly bigger front wheel wouldnt effect handling that much. The difference would be so marginal, its a better argument to say a bigger wheel is going to provide you more mileage out of a tire. Which would actually be entirely true in the case of a guy getting this bike for riding and touring and not pretending its a sport bike. Bigger diameter = more tire = the thing lasting longer.
Did you ever try the GT Pro or Explorer? I don't see a test video in the list. That might have met your height requirements. I got the GT Exp which suits my riding style (mostly on-road).
Tiger 1200 RP owner here. The screen moves easily if you push the handle forward while you move it up and down. My only complaint with the bike so far is the weight when I’m shoving it around. The weight disappears when it’s moving.
Sure. A few reasons. My wife had previously bought a Tiger 900 and I have been really impressed with that bike so I basically bought it’s bigger brother. Triumph’s fit and finish felt higher quality to me than most other brands offerings. It just looks special. I like that it is narrower and lighter than the GS. It is tall but at 5’11” I have no problem flat footing it. While I think the GS is a better looking bike overall I like that in side profile the Tiger 1200 RP looks like a crazy giant dirt bike. I also like that I don’t see one on every street corner like the GS. The lack of wind buffeting is a dream. The motor pulls hard and sounds like a muscle car. The pro reviews won me over with the way they gushed over the confidence inspiring suspension feel off-road. It feels light when it’s moving and I’d dare to say it is easier to maneuver in tight places than my wife’s Tiger 900. The low maintenance shaft drive is a bonus. What else? It is loaded with features you have to pay extra for on other bikes. I had it narrowed down to the BMW 1250 GS, KTM 1290 R and Tiger 1200 RP. In the end I decided the Tiger sat nicely in-between the 1250 GS’s on road refinement & 1290 R’s off-road focused edge. I don’t think you can lose with any of them.
@sid2vid Wow! That's a great description! Thanks for that 👍 I wouldn't mind going that exact route for me and my wife. Let's see what we decide 👍 Only thing I'm not too keen on is the looks... I'm more a Desertx or a Guzzi 855 type of guy... 😁 Take care. Happy riding to you both 👍
@@John_Neves Same here about the looks. The face of the Tiger is awkward. It’s not the most attractive bike. We have a three Ducatis in the garage already though and one of them is a Desert Sled. The Desert X has a lot of people complaining about wind buffeting and how loud it is on the hwy. These are our touring bikes so comfort won over looks this time. I may end up with a DX later. Good luck.
Muito obrigado amigo :) Na verdade, infelizmente como o canal não paga as contas teve de ficar para segundo plano...Vou fazendo aos pouco, mas está cada vez mais difícil. Entre o trabalho, viajar de moto e passar tempo com a família, sobra muito pouco tempo... A não ser que seja praí contratado por alguma revista, 😁acho que as minhas ambições de jornalista motard vão ter de esperar até me reformar :) Entretanto tenho 5 videos filmados para editar, Islandia, pirineus, Marrocos, KTM 390 e CB500X. Hão de aparecer por aqui 😁 Boas curvas 🛵🛵
I have a 900 RP, no 1200 for me! Like you I tried tons of bike, I probably go off road more than the average adv rider, still a lot of on road though. Found the 900 to be the sweet spot for me. I also don’t mind chain drive. Not dissing the 1200 or any of the larger Adventure bikes.
Hi @John_Neves thank you very much for the awesome content great stuff and honest review as expected Kudos for you Sir 👏I'm almost sure you already adquired your new 2 wheeled companion by now but from what I've been able to gather up as to what you're looking for in a motorcycle in my personal opinion I'd recommend giving the HONDA TRANSALP XL750 a go I think it would tick all your boxes and for the price this machine comes really well equipped and great value for money IMO. The engine is a parallel twin always urgent and willing. There’s enough grunt to launch you out of corners low in the revs, but you can also keep the engine on the boil for maximum thrust and aural excitement. This thing is exciting but it’s also as friendly as they come and everything from the throttle to the slip-and-assist clutch and gearbox is light and precise I dare you to try it out when you can and maybe even do a review about it why not. I'd very much would like to know you're personal experience with this under the radar gem not enough people seem to be talking about. Best of luck with everything in your life.
What happened to this series and channel... seems to have just come to a sudden halt? Seemed like such a good series of videos, I was really looking forward to your video on the Multistrada.
Hey man. It breaks my heart to say this, but i had to choose between putting food on the table or playing around with this channel... Each video took me almost a week between filming, narrating and editing, and You-Tube just doesn't pay enough to keep going... I have 4 videos to edit, but between work, family and riding, it's just impossible right now. I'll certainly be back, but i just don't know when... Thanks for your enthusiasm 👍 My wife traded for a CB500X. I still haven't found anything worthy of trading my vStrom for :)
@@John_Neves Well it sucks that's why you had to stop, but better than the dark thoughts I was wondering. You know with motorcycles it's not the safest way to get around. I'm in a similar situation and will have about a 10k budget soon for my first big bike. So I found your channel really informative for a lot of the bikes I was looking at. Got an XSR 125 - got a full license, did on F850 GS, so want something like it... But with more style lol. The 850GS is very fictional, but it got a face only a mother could love lol. Well I hope all goes well in the future.
Hello there, Nice video but I have to say that I am 1,72 m tall and I can handle the bike perfect. Was a bit hard at the beginning with slow manoeuvres but after 1 month of riding it’s like driving a bicycle.
Hi there 🖐 Thanks for watching the video. I hope it is in scope with your personal experience 💪. Anything else i said that you don't agree with? I guess the height issue depends on each rider. I just don´t feel too comfortable on such a heavy bike i can´t flat foot. My wife even less... So although i absolutely loved this bike, i doubt I'll be buying it. But hey... you never know :)
Great review but i have to ask . How do you have a Tracer 7 better then a Tracer 9 ? I own a 9 and tested a 7 and it was dog sh!t ! The suspension was terrible and engine gutless.The 9 isnt perfect but in no way inferior to the 7.
If you like adventure bikes with sport chassis, I suggest you add KTM 1290 SAS to your list, and go try one😁! SAS is the road focused version, that can do light off roading. If you prefer the more off-road capable version to compete with that Tigger rally, you have the 1290 R version 😉. Cheers!
Because that's pretty common on a motorcycle. Sure the BMW GS claims they can avoid that. But suspension dive and loading the front fork can actually benefit braking performance.
Tech gimmicks are there to make the bike more 'profitable' for the shareholders... change my mind. Also, All these bikes are made for tallish people.. I'm 5'7" and it's annoying shopping for a flat footable bike.
Great video. I‘m picking up my new 1200 GT Pro tomorrow!!!!, and even at 6‘2“ tall I felt it was a better option than the Rally Pro. I won‘t be going off road, so I had already concluded the GT model would be the best bike for me. Thanks for confirming my hunch.
Hey what a great indepth video loved it looking to get the tiger rally pro myself next year but i have just found out that there is now a preload button for low speed stuff under 52mph that you can do to drop the bike up to 1 inch depending on weight of rider so i defo think that is a great thing for Triumph to do after the launch of the bike to still upgrade and help with moving the beast about
I have the Rally Pro, see on my channel. I bought the lower seat and I’m 6’2 inside leg 32 inch but prefer it. Still super comfy. Screen I don’t have issues two finger adjust maybe it eases over time. Very comfy bike for long tours. I have the green bike and have powder coated my engine bars and bash plate too
Great review. I went with the GT Pro also for the seat height reason.
Sure, I am losing out on some offroad fun but I am riding on-road 90% of the time and not financially well off enough to take such an expensive bike offroad often anyways...for light trails and B-roads, the GT does well too. Even with the Rally, taking a 250kg bike on a serious offroad track sounds silly.
Hi there 🖐
Totally agree with you. Taking such an expensive bike on trails seems overkill to me also, that's why i still ride my TT600 😁
But this Tiger is truly a fantastic bike.
As an owner, was there anything i said you wouldn't agree with?
@@John_Neves Not at all! I think your philosophy of choosing bikes has a lot in common with mine. I also would only buy bikes I can confidently flat foot on both sides.
If I must nitpick, then I would give the front suspension 3.5 or 4 stars instead of 5. They are not bad by themselves but lacking some features that competitors do. BMW GS has natural anti-dive thanks to the telelever design and comes standard with a steering dampener. That is why that bike is so solid at high speed and under hard breaking. KTM 1290 SA has anti-dive despite only featuring upside-down suspension. The Tiger has none of these things and it's worse when paired with the extremely potent Brembo Stylema calipers. I have nothing against these semiactive Showa tubes - just wish they would dive less in Road mode.
@@LinhNguyen-im4uu that's quite an interesting take on the suspension 🤔
I guess, if you don't have it, you'll never miss it right? 😁
I'm going to test-ride a GS eventually, so now you've made me curious 😁
Why did you go for the Tiger over the GS?
@@John_Neves 2 things for me: the Tiger is much cheaper than the GS where I live (a supply/demand situation) and I like Triumph in general (was upgrading from a T100).
Already directly contacted Triumph and they are not ever going to put shaft drive on the smaller bikes! Something to do with cost of re-doing transmission and loss of torx!
Dammm.... Thanks for that info 👍
Refreshingly different and very enjoyable and informative. Thanks for your review.
Wow, thanks. That really kind of you. I'm glad the video was usefull 😁
Great reviews and comparisons. Looking forward for the multistrada and the GS!!
Thanks 👍
I'm glad you enjoy them.
I'll have those bikes up soon 💪
I ended up going with the Tiger 1200 GT Explorer myself and love it for the most part. 😅 the Rally Explorer would e been nice but I couldn’t with how tall it is. As is GT Explorer I only have a single foot down at a stop which is new for me coming from cruisers.
As usual an excellent review. I wished John made more moto reviews. Kawasaki Versys review is needed
Hey João 👋
Thanks man, that's so nice of you 👍
Unfortunately where i live it's not easy to source bikes to test ride. But I'll keep going till i find "the one".
The versys 650 is a very interesting bike. I just haven't been able to get a hold of one...
@@John_Neves I have seen almost all the reviews available for these kind of bikes and I found professional reviews and lazy reviews (a guy on a motorcycle with a headset talking for 30 min) all over CZcams. Your reviews are excellent, accurate, scientific and impartial as a true review is supposed to be. I'm amazed you don't get more followers or that you don't have more views since the quality and structure of your review is simply flawless and other reviewers should see what you are doing and copy it. Thank you
@joaocosta8316 Wow. A big thanks man. That means a lot. 🙂
I glad you enjoy my approach to motorcycles and that it has helped you along the way 👍
Handling wise. Its understandable that a slightly bigger front wheel wouldnt effect handling that much. The difference would be so marginal, its a better argument to say a bigger wheel is going to provide you more mileage out of a tire. Which would actually be entirely true in the case of a guy getting this bike for riding and touring and not pretending its a sport bike. Bigger diameter = more tire = the thing lasting longer.
Did you ever try the GT Pro or Explorer? I don't see a test video in the list. That might have met your height requirements. I got the GT Exp which suits my riding style (mostly on-road).
Tiger 1200 RP owner here. The screen moves easily if you push the handle forward while you move it up and down. My only complaint with the bike so far is the weight when I’m shoving it around. The weight disappears when it’s moving.
Nice. I knew i had to be something wrong 🤣🤣
If i may ask, why did you choose this bike over the competition?
Sure. A few reasons. My wife had previously bought a Tiger 900 and I have been really impressed with that bike so I basically bought it’s bigger brother. Triumph’s fit and finish felt higher quality to me than most other brands offerings. It just looks special. I like that it is narrower and lighter than the GS. It is tall but at 5’11” I have no problem flat footing it. While I think the GS is a better looking bike overall I like that in side profile the Tiger 1200 RP looks like a crazy giant dirt bike. I also like that I don’t see one on every street corner like the GS. The lack of wind buffeting is a dream. The motor pulls hard and sounds like a muscle car. The pro reviews won me over with the way they gushed over the confidence inspiring suspension feel off-road. It feels light when it’s moving and I’d dare to say it is easier to maneuver in tight places than my wife’s Tiger 900. The low maintenance shaft drive is a bonus. What else? It is loaded with features you have to pay extra for on other bikes. I had it narrowed down to the BMW 1250 GS, KTM 1290 R and Tiger 1200 RP. In the end I decided the Tiger sat nicely in-between the 1250 GS’s on road refinement & 1290 R’s off-road focused edge. I don’t think you can lose with any of them.
@sid2vid Wow!
That's a great description! Thanks for that 👍
I wouldn't mind going that exact route for me and my wife. Let's see what we decide 👍
Only thing I'm not too keen on is the looks...
I'm more a Desertx or a Guzzi 855 type of guy... 😁
Take care. Happy riding to you both 👍
@@John_Neves Same here about the looks. The face of the Tiger is awkward. It’s not the most attractive bike. We have a three Ducatis in the garage already though and one of them is a Desert Sled. The Desert X has a lot of people complaining about wind buffeting and how loud it is on the hwy. These are our touring bikes so comfort won over looks this time. I may end up with a DX later. Good luck.
Ola Joao. Bela peca de "jornalismo". Para quando a GS/GSA?
Muito obrigado amigo :)
Na verdade, infelizmente como o canal não paga as contas teve de ficar para segundo plano...Vou fazendo aos pouco, mas está cada vez mais difícil. Entre o trabalho, viajar de moto e passar tempo com a família, sobra muito pouco tempo...
A não ser que seja praí contratado por alguma revista, 😁acho que as minhas ambições de jornalista motard vão ter de esperar até me reformar :)
Entretanto tenho 5 videos filmados para editar, Islandia, pirineus, Marrocos, KTM 390 e CB500X. Hão de aparecer por aqui 😁
Boas curvas 🛵🛵
I have a 900 RP, no 1200 for me! Like you I tried tons of bike, I probably go off road more than the average adv rider, still a lot of on road though. Found the 900 to be the sweet spot for me. I also don’t mind chain drive. Not dissing the 1200 or any of the larger Adventure bikes.
I think i agree 🤔
The 900 could well be the sweet spot for is too. Lets see what route we take 👍
Hi @John_Neves thank you very much for the awesome content great stuff and honest review as expected Kudos for you Sir 👏I'm almost sure you already adquired your new 2 wheeled companion by now but from what I've been able to gather up as to what you're looking for in a motorcycle in my personal opinion I'd recommend giving the HONDA TRANSALP XL750 a go I think it would tick all your boxes and for the price this machine comes really well equipped and great value for money IMO. The engine is a parallel twin always urgent and willing. There’s enough grunt to launch you out of corners low in the revs, but you can also keep the engine on the boil for maximum thrust and aural excitement.
This thing is exciting but it’s also as friendly as they come and everything from the throttle to the slip-and-assist clutch and gearbox is light and precise I dare you to try it out when you can and maybe even do a review about it why not. I'd very much would like to know you're personal experience with this under the radar gem not enough people seem to be talking about. Best of luck with everything in your life.
What happened to this series and channel... seems to have just come to a sudden halt? Seemed like such a good series of videos, I was really looking forward to your video on the Multistrada.
Hey man. It breaks my heart to say this, but i had to choose between putting food on the table or playing around with this channel... Each video took me almost a week between filming, narrating and editing, and You-Tube just doesn't pay enough to keep going...
I have 4 videos to edit, but between work, family and riding, it's just impossible right now.
I'll certainly be back, but i just don't know when...
Thanks for your enthusiasm 👍
My wife traded for a CB500X. I still haven't found anything worthy of trading my vStrom for :)
@@John_Neves Well it sucks that's why you had to stop, but better than the dark thoughts I was wondering. You know with motorcycles it's not the safest way to get around.
I'm in a similar situation and will have about a 10k budget soon for my first big bike. So I found your channel really informative for a lot of the bikes I was looking at.
Got an XSR 125 - got a full license, did on F850 GS, so want something like it... But with more style lol. The 850GS is very fictional, but it got a face only a mother could love lol.
Well I hope all goes well in the future.
👍👍
Is the Tiger 850 an option for you? It's more affordable in price than 1200
Hello there,
Nice video but I have to say that I am 1,72 m tall and I can handle the bike perfect. Was a bit hard at the beginning with slow manoeuvres but after 1 month of riding it’s like driving a bicycle.
Hi there 🖐
Thanks for watching the video.
I hope it is in scope with your personal experience 💪. Anything else i said that you don't agree with?
I guess the height issue depends on each rider. I just don´t feel too comfortable on such a heavy bike i can´t flat foot. My wife even less... So although i absolutely loved this bike, i doubt I'll be buying it. But hey... you never know :)
Great review but i have to ask . How do you have a Tracer 7 better then a Tracer 9 ? I own a 9 and tested a 7 and it was dog sh!t ! The suspension was terrible and engine gutless.The 9 isnt perfect but in no way inferior to the 7.
I bought my tiger 1200 GT explorer there , 3 months ago!
Ask for Nuno Lã
Nice! Are you still happy with the bike?
@@John_Neves Very happy with the bike and with the service there 😁
Essa mota é um show!
É mesmo. Grande máquina! 👍
Ufa! Ainda bem que sou baixinho!
Assim não vou me frustrar por ser pobre demais pra comprar uma beleza destas!
Pois... Eu tb sou muito "baixo" para ela 🤣🤣
Buena prueba
Muchas gracias 👍
you need to try the pan america :)
Is it that good? 😁
If you like adventure bikes with sport chassis, I suggest you add KTM 1290 SAS to your list, and go try one😁! SAS is the road focused version, that can do light off roading. If you prefer the more off-road capable version to compete with that Tigger rally, you have the 1290 R version 😉.
Cheers!
That's a very nice suggestion 😁
Maybe i will 😉
Why not other reviews or videos?
Unfortunately, i haven't had the time :S
Did you ever get around to buying a new bike?
Hi there 🖐
My wife traded for a CB500X. I'm still riding my V-Strom. I honestly haven't found anything worth replacing it...
You did't mention about massive front fork dive?why?
Because that's pretty common on a motorcycle. Sure the BMW GS claims they can avoid that. But suspension dive and loading the front fork can actually benefit braking performance.
And you will end up with good Old DL...🙂
It's still going strong 😁💪
1200 Rally Explorer is better, for a bit more money
Tech gimmicks are there to make the bike more 'profitable' for the shareholders... change my mind.
Also, All these bikes are made for tallish people.. I'm 5'7" and it's annoying shopping for a flat footable bike.
Yeah, these bikes are quite tall..
Get the extended warranty, you will find out why.
Oh my 😲
Would you like to share anything with the community?