The primacy of the business/work ethic in the US really struck me in a different way when I visited. The amount and public visibility of extreme poverty was a shock to me in the US, like if you failed in the US, you REALLY failed and just no-one cared about you.
We here in Australia have a work-life balance. We don't need to work two low-paid jobs to make ends meet. Stores close early so people can spend more time with their families. I've spent time in the USA and I still have a lot of friends there. Both countries have different mindsets. It all comes down to your socioeconomic circumstance and what you make of your life. I always take people for who they are and how they treat me. I steer away from politics, guns, and religion as I am more interested in the American people and their culture.
I used to work in the cotton industry and most of my international workmates were from the US South. They were a great group and I used to love my trips there. I remember lots of comments like 'Oh, you're Australian, isn't that the place where your government is trying to take you guns off you?". However, the most shocking comment I received was from my US Mentor, a very well educated (PhD in Plant Breeding) man, as me how I would overthrow my government without guns??!! I said we would just wait until the next election and vote them out. I couldn't believe the numbers of BillBoards I saw driving across the Interstates, it was like the US was one big advertisement for fast food. Walking into stores in Texas and reading signs stating that only permitted firearms were allowed to be carried on premises. Loved my visits but forever grateful to return back to Australia. 🐳
I lived in Colorado, in a place called Estes Park, and I found as a Sydney bloke from Clovelly it was pretty easy to settle in as I worked in a cool cafe, and the bosses were pretty cool, but if I went into the city (Denver) for some reason (e.g family visiting from Sydney), it really felt different. Not bad, just very different to Oz (except when you take a wrong turn at night and end up in really scary and dangerous streets in Denver). I can't tell you how many times people asked me about kangaroos, and spiders. I live in London at moment, and its really funny, because it was much more recognisable (same language, cars on same side of road etc), but it was not until 12 or so months that you notice the small differences (which are actually big differences). I love London, but I have to say, I can't wait to come back home.
I think our fascination with gun control and current US politics is our concern and bewilderment with the situation in a country that we consider a mate. Many of us really search for understanding. Hay is a gorgeous NSW country town and the night sky is awe inspiring (no city light pollution).
I rarely go to big parties these days, but back in the 1970s, into the 1980s, if you went to an Australian suburban working class (I cannot offer insights into middle and upper class events) party, men would be on one side of the room and women on the other. It was literally like gender apartheid in those days. I was at school at the time and the teachers used to consciously integrate us, so maybe that helped stop the habit! Thank you for the video!🧜♀
Hey guys great discussions and enjoy your videos. Just with convenience and shopping hours, it’s a double edged sword as far as having one of the highest minimum wages, having long hours requires more staff and the wages costs (with super etc) means it’s just not viable to have long hours, especially cafes that open early for morning peaks. Generally there is the handover to restaurants meaning they close earlier, I’m sure you’ll see this first hand soon enough with your own business. Australia being so large but relatively sparsely populated means we always have higher logistics costs and longer wait time’s generally.
Idk if it’s cause I’m used to it but I don’t care if I don’t get anything straight away like food or things ordered online. Even stores shutting early doesn’t bother me cause it makes me get up early and not sit around so much to relax. It makes me feel more productive like I have more time somehow. So I have a feeling that I wouldn’t like everything being so readily available to me.
I think the work culture in America can be so toxic. I'm a PhD student here and it's always about the grind. Like breaks are frowned upon. I've been thinking about moving to Australia after graduate school. I think I relate more to the culture there. But I would have to visit.
🧜♀️🔱 I loved the video so much!!! I really enjoyed how you both gave perspectives of each experience you’ve had in both countries! This makes me miss you guys so much! Love ❤️
Don't take any notice of the adverse comments. In my experience australians have a pretty positive view of Americans. They do find some aspects of American culture strange - the gun question, the tipping, the fierce patriotism etc. But on a personal level Americans seem to me to be welcomed. Don't let anyone blame you for perceived defects in US culture
Work life balance is important here in Australia. I worked for a major investment bank in Sydney and the MD of our analysts department made a rule that no one was to work later than 6pm! Now this is an environment of making money and still not working your life away is important. We are very lucky here with focus is on family and having a quality of life.
I was born out in the sticks near Wagga Wagga and Hay in a small town called Narrandera. Beautiful small town with a river running through it,lake for skiing and awesome pool complex and forest walks. Great for kids to grow up 👍 liked your video except all the,like, likes
Thanks for the video. I think the reason many businesses don't open longer hours (compared to USA) is the higher wage rates. From my understanding of typical wage rates for retail employees you can operate much longer hours in America for the same cost as in Australia. These higher wages must be paid (including superannuation) regardless of how much extra revenue you generate for being open those extra hours. This is not a criticism just an explanation.
Hi guys I'm in Toowoomba Qld 1 hr from Brisbane spent years in hospitality on the Gold Coast managed a bar in the 80s met heaps of Americans closest to you some girls from South Carolina, and all were great, sorry you've had a bad time , our politicians are either less than ok or crap pick 1, the reason that shops close earlier is the pay structure it becomes unprofitable to stay open as min wage is high and there are penalty rates if you work after normal hours so they close, have a good one from this side of woop woop Cheers 🧜♀
Well it is true that Hay is in the western Riverina but it's on the Murrumbidgee River. Certainly rural, but not outback. Broken Hill would be a better example.
My mum told me the negative vibe to American's started during WW2 , with the American soldiers coming to Sydney with more money and silk stockings take Aussie women from Aussie blokes.
The men/women thing as well is probably a throw back from British culture as well. In the uk we also are like that, we don’t stick with our partners and we have male female friendships easily
Australian women served as nurses in WW2 then broadened their skills and served in voluntary and auxilliary units but not in the action. I guess they would have come together at times and supported each other. But the same would apply to US and UK. As someone said the attitude to Americans may well have stemmed from US serviceman on leave during WW2 and wooing Australian women while the men were fighting overseas. In fact many married and went over to the US at the end of the war. I think these days it may come from meeting Americans while theyre holidaying and mainly experiencing loudness brashness and expecting to get what they are used to back home. Not to say other nationalities dont do the same. Even Aussies can be awful in their own way while on holiday overseas. But thats just what we see first up. I have worked and been friends with Americans over here and for the most part they are all very kind lovely hospitable people but there is an underlying archetypal cultural difference of being type A go go go compared to being laid back Aussies that in general, not with everyone, grates at some level. Where something may not be happening fast enough well enough to their expectations and Americans wont hesitate to confront that in your face. Whereas, in general again, Aussies are reluctant to make a fuss or be too confrontational. In one situation I know of the American ex military gentleman threatened to sue a person in a voluntary organisation who had done the unacceptable (not illegal) thing. And hes been here quite some time so he knows that wasnt going to work but he wasnt putting up with it. An Aussie would probably said a few choice words and left it. In the end his threat went nowhere and nothing eventuated and probably just irritated everyone concerned. So I guess thats the type of difference that gets irritating and only serves to confirm opinions of Americans.
yes my mother went through basic training in NSW and they discovered (after tests) that her skills were with engines and the practical - so was a troop carrier driver and driving officers around. No overseas duty (WWII by the way).
I feel bad if I’ve ever brought up gun control.. It’s basically confusion at why it’s happening and when I meet an American it’s my opportunity to find their stance. Same with healthcare, but I realise most Americans have no power in these issues
Good chat guys! I think Australians do work to live, not live to work. We like to keep some time to enjoy life. On gun control, we have to agree to disagree, but I hope America wakes up one day that you really don't need them unless you have a lot of enemies. One difference I also noticed is America is so far behind, still using an imperial system of measurement rather than metric. Overall though I think we do share common values. I have always enjoyed visiting USA.
I'm from Melbourne and have never been overseas or to U.S., but it seems like in terms of work being a value in America, It's more of a individualistic culture to be a winner or to be seen otherwise as a misery loves company if you have hardships in the U.S. . Not sure wither American's are more superficial to be everything or rock bottom
Welcome to Australia mate. We have a long history with America going back to WWII. Don't take it badly if we take the mickey out of you. It probably means we like you but it can be a bit rough until you get how the Australian mind works.
When my husband and I go to parties we split and mingle with everyone. We don’t hang out as a couple. We’re Australian and we have friends of the opposite sex. No worries!
Australia has more of a mixed economy and yet enough America experiences so many more recessions than Australia. An economist could probably compare American capitalism (live to work) v. Australian mixed economy (work to live) and explain why Australia rarely experiences a recession. I ordered my husband’s after shave and deodorant last week from Sydney and it was delivered to Melbourne within 48 hours. 🧜♀️ 🐟 🔱 no comment about politics or guns as that is for Americans to decide. Growing up with people from so many nations is kind of every day for Aussies so hearing an American accent usually just makes me think “American or Canadian?” and wait for an “eh” to drop for the answer 😂😂😂
That front line serving men and women together not I WWI nor WWII women were nurses initially. MY mother was a troop and driving jeeps driving officers etc but driving was only IN Australia.
I don’t think it’s work ethic I feel it’s more about the power many employers have over their workers… eg: for many people in the US healthcare is tied to their work so losing a job can place them in a very precarious position
Americans seem to struggle with the fact that all countries have their own attitudes and cultural differences, when I first visited New Zealand I was shocked at how different it was from Australia.
Personally, if I met a yank I would not have anything to talk about apart from the extremes of the US or personal topics. Yes, I know that little about the US. Nice relaxed atmosphere about the video, I liked that.
Yet another cultural talk, but at the end USA 360 mil. Aust 25 mil people, please stop the whining about shopping hours, waiting time, distances just remember kids can go to school here in safety, Australian society is safer and our life style is laid back. just love both places and get on with your lives.
🧜🧜♂️! People bringing up the gun/politics stuff with every US American they've just met is annoying. I know Kaitlyn Amanda has mentioned this a couple of times on her channel too. (She moved to Sydney to be with her husband). It's something that wouldn't even occur to me to do. Or anyone else I know. I hope these people are a small minority. I get that Aussies don't understand how the situation has got to the point is has but expecting every American you've just met to be some kind of spokesperson for this topic is ridiculous and inappropriate. You're not obligated to discuss it at all. I think some people watch too much TV and media and view the USA and Americans through that lens rather than as whole people. When in reality many every day US Americans want the same changes that we would like to see them have. When you meet someone, just get to know the actual person, which is so much more than the extreme side of politics where they grew up. In regards to food. Yes we have less fast food chains here than in the US. I actually think this is mostly a good thing though. (And healthier). What you'll find is Australians tend to support local businesses a lot more and often choose them over chains. This applies to local fish and chip shops, pizza places, burger and chicken places, local cafes, restaurants and yes coffee shops🙂 (One of the many reasons Starbucks just didn't take off here and they had to close most stores and re brand/focus the remaining ones towards tourists). There's a huge amount of authentic food diversity here well. Particularly Asian cuisines, middle eastern, Indian etc. Per the 2021 census 43% of Sydney siders were born overseas! So it's one of the most immigrant and multicultural cities in the world. We have different influences in our food diversity/culture. Asian cusines are huge here and part of our staple diet, and in America there's more Mexican and Spanish food influences. All of the above types of cusines are delicious imo😋. That's really interesting re male and female mingling and couples. I hadn't even thought of that before. I also hadn't heard that explaination re the war that Grace gave but that probably played a part. Mateship too as she said. We just all mingle and come together be it times of troubles and disasters or socialising. In general we're an informal and not really a classist society. Everyone is seen as equal standing. No matter what job you do or background etc. Tradies (eg plumbers, electricians etc) are respected here for example and it's seen as a good job. In some other western countries people can look down on trades people. And see you as a failure if you choose to do a trade rather than go to Uni. Which is ridiculous. Agreed. Work/life balance is one of the biggest differences in our culture's. We don't have as much of a hussle culture here, though that is increasing with cost of living going up everywhere. That's is one of the reasons things shut here earlier. Plus as you say the population is less. Though it would be nice if some cafes would stay open a bit later! People like to say we "work to live" not "live to work" in Australia. And it's reflected in our workplace laws. Which I think is good for families to balance their priorities and time. We have strong workplace rights. Along with a mandated federal minimum wage. Full time workers are entitled to 4 weeks annual leave, 10 days sick leave, parental leave, bereavement leave etc. There's also penalty rates for over time or public holidays etc. And all workers must be paid superannuation at 12% of their wage. This is an employer contribution ON TOP of whatever you earn. Americans see these things as benefits if they have any of them...where as here they are rights, under the law.
thanks for the comment! I enjoyed hearing your input, so interesting how things are done differently but both work! Your comment is the entire reason we are starting this show!
@@SuttonJonahBrady 😊. I'm enjoying your channel and content. Whether it be about travel, culture differences or the coffee shop business. I love that you have an open mind in learning new experiences or ways too. Makes living abroad a bit easier!
I am 75, so can bring a longer perspective. Important to understand that Australia only came to full self confidence comparatively recently. And by recently I mean over the last 40 years. Consequently Australians generally are now a bit full of themselves about the good qualities of their society. In time their perspective will become a more balanced. Personally I left Australia 16 years ago to live in north Thailand ie a long way away from the tourist fleshpots and congestion of south Thailand. Here the society is conservative and family oriented, but still very tolerant in all the ways for which Thailand is famous. My biggest culture shock in the US is how little people trust each other compared to Australia. When I visit Australia from here I find Australians to have very poor manners compared to the Thais. Also in Thailand there is almost zero petty theft which is a big change from the US and Australia both. Australia is a comfortable country to live in, although as an older person one feels almost invisible. In both the US and Australia I find the endless featureless suburbs tedious and dispiriting. However, at least in Australia one feels perfectly safe almost anywhere in the city. Some of the late night suburban trains in Sydney and Melbourne might be an exception. Australia is a wonderful country to work in when you are young, but becomes quite difficult after retirement unless you have very good superannuation (retirement fund) and fully own your own home. However, all the indicators I hear from Americans I know here is that the US is far worse. When I went to the US around the age of 40, I had the option to stay but decided I did not want to do so. Having said that, the US is a big society, so I may eventually have found a place that was more to my taste. The pivotal factor for me was the personal trust factor which is much shorter supply in the US, probably for very good reason.
Absolutely, a lot of Australians are switched on, with and I'll say it directly, more common sense than I assume the average American, which comes out in talking politics, not just gun control, but also global politics, how America sees the world, China, their position on global issues. This too is also based not just on the media but real life interactions with people from the USa and Aussies share them if it happens, because its so profound. The world view is very different.
American care about our politics and our rights because they both play important roll in how we live. The decisions made in Washington, DC and in each state capital affect us greatly. I know that if a Democrat is in office, I will pay much higher taxes and that my gun rights and freedoms will be at risk for the next few years. If a Republican gets in, I know my rights are safe and my taxes will fall. Being an American means that I am responsible for my life and that of my family. The onus is on me to provide my family with the best life possible without any governmental interference. Our government's only mission is to protect our rights and handle the things too big for one person. Most of the world seems to believe that government is a good thing, while most Americans do not. That is the difference.
Not into emogies. However, interesting convo. Australia has spiders and snakes that Americans fear. America has guns and no health care that Australians fear. Real people learn to overcome and adapt to their surrounds.
Australia has a more laid back attitude. Everyone treats everyone as a sort of mate and are friendly to everyone. Australians don’t let politics or views divide us (although this is getting worse). Australians aren’t as religious. I think the “hard working” culture is rooted in the religious culture that is more pervasive in America. I feel like Americans are “led” and they don’t know it. The are led by religion, politics, media. Australians are totally individualistic and are not led by anyone or anything. Americans love to pigeonhole everyone and everything.
The work ethic. I think it has to do with America's preoccupation with capitalism and survival of the fittest. Not only that, but a morality is placed on your wealth, where wealthy people must be good and moral and therefore blessed by god, and poor people are seen as less worthy and deserving because they must have done something wrong in their life to be punished by being made poor. I love visiting Anerica but just based on work culture alone, I would never live there.
When speaking to Americans while in third countries I find they are often the ones who raise the topic of gun control, along with universal health care, when they realize you're Australian. Their views are often pretty polarized: either firmly against both, or more pro gun control and pro universal health care that most Aussies I know.
🔱🔱🔱Love the convo. Great that you're talking about some big and important issues. Having lived in both countries I know that violence is a big problem in Australia also. Just a few suburbs from where I live in Sydney we have drive-by gang shootings. Network TV made two series about the organized gang violence in both Sydney and Melbourne. I felt safe living in the US and I lived a few neighbourhoods away from the Columbine High School and the Aurora Cinema, both mass shooting sites, but I also haven't felt a sense of community and neighbourhood like I did in the US anywhere while in one of Australia's cities and I know where the better neighbourhood to bring my kids was, and it was in the US. I have visited friends in Indonesia where the neighbouring villages go to war with spears and arrows and kill each other regularly. Violence is everywhere and increasing. Do people have a right to defend themselves? Yes, of course. But lets keep calling out violence wherever we see it. 🧜♀🧜♀🧜♀
We visited the US for four weeks a few years back. Walking through Washington at 4.00pm my husband and s-i-l were hit by a car, two robbers inside, that came crashing through a gate onto the footpath we were crossing. A glancing blow from the car knocked the two of them to the ground, they were a second away from being really badly hurt. During our stay, there was a huge protest crowd outside our hotel and we had to use the back entrance to come and go. In Times Square around noon, a guy with a knife cut the strap of my bag which was doubly secured so he ran off after being unsuccessful. My nephew was on scholarship to university in Alabama and was caught up in a mass shooting on the campus in 2014. I know violence happens in Sydney, but in many decades of living in this city, I have never witnessed any violence, the only crime a kid being caught for shoplifting. So my experience is very much the opposite of yours. My sleepy little suburb, surrounded by bush, 20 mins from Sydney CBD is an ideal place for a family (no snakes either 🙂.)
I found it really disappointing to hear the way people approached you about gun control and politics in conversations rather than just getting to know you and treating you like everyone else. Rude as. My mates wouldn’t be like that. 🧜♀️ 🐠 🔱
🧜 if you want to offend an Australian, discuss the topic of asylum seekers and the lengthy detention. Knew a guy that was detained for 9 years before being allowed to integrate into the community.
Love videos like this, making my move down to Sydney from the States in the next month or two and y'all are helping me get ready!
Glad we can help! Hope your move is a great one 🙌🏻
Come on over mate 🇦🇺
Exciting.
Hope you have a good one.
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Don't ever say y'all when you get here. lol.
@@DanTubersounds like something from Beverly Hillbillies
The primacy of the business/work ethic in the US really struck me in a different way when I visited. The amount and public visibility of extreme poverty was a shock to me in the US, like if you failed in the US, you REALLY failed and just no-one cared about you.
Americans live to work, Australians work to live.
So true !
I thought that about Australians when I moved here from Serbia. I guess it all depends on your experience.
We here in Australia have a work-life balance. We don't need to work two low-paid jobs to make ends meet. Stores close early so people can spend more time with their families. I've spent time in the USA and I still have a lot of friends there. Both countries have different mindsets. It all comes down to your socioeconomic circumstance and what you make of your life. I always take people for who they are and how they treat me. I steer away from politics, guns, and religion as I am more interested in the American people and their culture.
So well said
I used to work in the cotton industry and most of my international workmates were from the US South. They were a great group and I used to love my trips there. I remember lots of comments like 'Oh, you're Australian, isn't that the place where your government is trying to take you guns off you?". However, the most shocking comment I received was from my US Mentor, a very well educated (PhD in Plant Breeding) man, as me how I would overthrow my government without guns??!! I said we would just wait until the next election and vote them out. I couldn't believe the numbers of BillBoards I saw driving across the Interstates, it was like the US was one big advertisement for fast food. Walking into stores in Texas and reading signs stating that only permitted firearms were allowed to be carried on premises. Loved my visits but forever grateful to return back to Australia. 🐳
I lived in Colorado, in a place called Estes Park, and I found as a Sydney bloke from Clovelly it was pretty easy to settle in as I worked in a cool cafe, and the bosses were pretty cool, but if I went into the city (Denver) for some reason (e.g family visiting from Sydney), it really felt different. Not bad, just very different to Oz (except when you take a wrong turn at night and end up in really scary and dangerous streets in Denver). I can't tell you how many times people asked me about kangaroos, and spiders. I live in London at moment, and its really funny, because it was much more recognisable (same language, cars on same side of road etc), but it was not until 12 or so months that you notice the small differences (which are actually big differences). I love London, but I have to say, I can't wait to come back home.
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I think our fascination with gun control and current US politics is our concern and bewilderment with the situation in a country that we consider a mate. Many of us really search for understanding.
Hay is a gorgeous NSW country town and the night sky is awe inspiring (no city light pollution).
Great convo y’all! I know little to nothing about the Australian culture, but this was really informative and intriguing! The clays miss and love you!
We miss you guys too! Thank you for watching!
I rarely go to big parties these days, but back in the 1970s, into the 1980s, if you went to an Australian suburban working class (I cannot offer insights into middle and upper class events) party, men would be on one side of the room and women on the other. It was literally like gender apartheid in those days. I was at school at the time and the teachers used to consciously integrate us, so maybe that helped stop the habit! Thank you for the video!🧜♀
Great vid, insightful. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey guys great discussions and enjoy your videos. Just with convenience and shopping hours, it’s a double edged sword as far as having one of the highest minimum wages, having long hours requires more staff and the wages costs (with super etc) means it’s just not viable to have long hours, especially cafes that open early for morning peaks. Generally there is the handover to restaurants meaning they close earlier, I’m sure you’ll see this first hand soon enough with your own business. Australia being so large but relatively sparsely populated means we always have higher logistics costs and longer wait time’s generally.
Well said, thanks Pepe
Idk if it’s cause I’m used to it but I don’t care if I don’t get anything straight away like food or things ordered online. Even stores shutting early doesn’t bother me cause it makes me get up early and not sit around so much to relax. It makes me feel more productive like I have more time somehow. So I have a feeling that I wouldn’t like everything being so readily available to me.
I like that perspective! I’ve found it shifts my day a bit as well, definitely have to plan out my day more which has its benefits
I think the work culture in America can be so toxic. I'm a PhD student here and it's always about the grind. Like breaks are frowned upon. I've been thinking about moving to Australia after graduate school. I think I relate more to the culture there. But I would have to visit.
Somewhere in the middle there’s a happy medium I think. Thanks for watching !
it’s easy, but a very long drawn out process to migrate to Australia
🧜♀️🔱 I loved the video so much!!! I really enjoyed how you both gave perspectives of each experience you’ve had in both countries! This makes me miss you guys so much! Love ❤️
We miss you !
Don't take any notice of the adverse comments. In my experience australians have a pretty positive view of Americans. They do find some aspects of American culture strange - the gun question, the tipping, the fierce patriotism etc. But on a personal level Americans seem to me to be welcomed. Don't let anyone blame you for perceived defects in US culture
Work life balance is important here in Australia. I worked for a major investment bank in Sydney and the MD of our analysts department made a rule that no one was to work later than 6pm! Now this is an environment of making money and still not working your life away is important. We are very lucky here with focus is on family and having a quality of life.
I live in Melbourne and you have so much choice and places dont shut early
I was born out in the sticks near Wagga Wagga and Hay in a small town called Narrandera. Beautiful small town with a river running through it,lake for skiing and awesome pool complex and forest walks. Great for kids to grow up 👍 liked your video except all the,like, likes
Narrandra is small. I lived nearby at Boree Creek, had about 30 houses in town.
Thanks for the video. I think the reason many businesses don't open longer hours (compared to USA) is the higher wage rates. From my understanding of typical wage rates for retail employees you can operate much longer hours in America for the same cost as in Australia. These higher wages must be paid (including superannuation) regardless of how much extra revenue you generate for being open those extra hours. This is not a criticism just an explanation.
Hi guys I'm in Toowoomba Qld 1 hr from Brisbane spent years in hospitality on the Gold Coast managed a bar in the 80s met heaps of Americans closest to you some girls from South Carolina, and all were great, sorry you've had a bad time , our politicians are either less than ok or crap pick 1, the reason that shops close earlier is the pay structure it becomes unprofitable to stay open as min wage is high and there are penalty rates if you work after normal hours so they close, have a good one from this side of woop woop Cheers 🧜♀
No..stick to Whoop Whoop or out in the sticks...it's the aussie way...
Well it is true that Hay is in the western Riverina but it's on the Murrumbidgee River. Certainly rural, but not outback.
Broken Hill would be a better example.
🧜♀️ I have a question guys, how is the coffee shop opening going,
Take care and have a great Easter
Cyclops! Good to hear from you, hoping to open by June right now !
I can't be bothered looking for a mermaid. Or a deep sea fish. Or trident. But it was pleasant to listen to your thoughts.
Yes Hay
My mum told me the negative vibe to American's started during WW2 , with the American soldiers coming to Sydney with more money and silk stockings take Aussie women from Aussie blokes.
Whoa never thought about that
There were fights
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brisbane
The men/women thing as well is probably a throw back from British culture as well. In the uk we also are like that, we don’t stick with our partners and we have male female friendships easily
Australian women served as nurses in WW2 then broadened their skills and served in voluntary and auxilliary units but not in the action. I guess they would have come together at times and supported each other. But the same would apply to US and UK. As someone said the attitude to Americans may well have stemmed from US serviceman on leave during WW2 and wooing Australian women while the men were fighting overseas. In fact many married and went over to the US at the end of the war. I think these days it may come from meeting Americans while theyre holidaying and mainly experiencing loudness brashness and expecting to get what they are used to back home. Not to say other nationalities dont do the same. Even Aussies can be awful in their own way while on holiday overseas. But thats just what we see first up. I have worked and been friends with Americans over here and for the most part they are all very kind lovely hospitable people but there is an underlying archetypal cultural difference of being type A go go go compared to being laid back Aussies that in general, not with everyone, grates at some level. Where something may not be happening fast enough well enough to their expectations and Americans wont hesitate to confront that in your face. Whereas, in general again, Aussies are reluctant to make a fuss or be too confrontational. In one situation I know of the American ex military gentleman threatened to sue a person in a voluntary organisation who had done the unacceptable (not illegal) thing. And hes been here quite some time so he knows that wasnt going to work but he wasnt putting up with it. An Aussie would probably said a few choice words and left it. In the end his threat went nowhere and nothing eventuated and probably just irritated everyone concerned. So I guess thats the type of difference that gets irritating and only serves to confirm opinions of Americans.
Loved reading your comment, the way WW2 affects our culture today is fascinating! I love talking about all these differences, so cool to learn more 🙌🏻
yes my mother went through basic training in NSW and they discovered (after tests) that her skills were with engines and the practical - so was a troop carrier driver and driving officers around. No overseas duty (WWII by the way).
I feel bad if I’ve ever brought up gun control.. It’s basically confusion at why it’s happening and when I meet an American it’s my opportunity to find their stance. Same with healthcare, but I realise most Americans have no power in these issues
They actually do they could vote differently but they don’t.
Sydney girl, been living in wagga 7 yrs
Hay is a town in NSW and is nth of Denny
Good chat guys! I think Australians do work to live, not live to work. We like to keep some time to enjoy life.
On gun control, we have to agree to disagree, but I hope America wakes up one day that you really don't need them unless you have a lot of enemies. One difference I also noticed is America is so far behind, still using an imperial system of measurement rather than metric. Overall though I think we do share common values. I have always enjoyed visiting USA.
Thanks Ian
As you get older your attitudes might change?
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I'm from Melbourne and have never been overseas or to U.S., but it seems like in terms of work being a value in America, It's more of a individualistic culture to be a winner or to be seen otherwise as a misery loves company if you have hardships in the U.S. . Not sure wither American's are more superficial to be everything or rock bottom
Welcome to Australia mate. We have a long history with America going back to WWII. Don't take it badly if we take the mickey out of you. It probably means we like you but it can be a bit rough until you get how the Australian mind works.
Love it, starting to figure out the Australian mind ! Slowly
When my husband and I go to parties we split and mingle with everyone. We don’t hang out as a couple. We’re Australian and we have friends of the opposite sex. No worries!
Australia has more of a mixed economy and yet enough America experiences so many more recessions than Australia. An economist could probably compare American capitalism (live to work) v. Australian mixed economy (work to live) and explain why Australia rarely experiences a recession. I ordered my husband’s after shave and deodorant last week from Sydney and it was delivered to Melbourne within 48 hours. 🧜♀️ 🐟 🔱 no comment about politics or guns as that is for Americans to decide. Growing up with people from so many nations is kind of every day for Aussies so hearing an American accent usually just makes me think “American or Canadian?” and wait for an “eh” to drop for the answer 😂😂😂
Australian are very set in eating and shopping times.
Longer hours have been tried but didn't work.
So interesting! Benefits the workers for sure
"Australian men and women serving on the front line together?" In WWI or WWII? Idon't know about that. I doubt it.
That front line serving men and women together not I WWI nor WWII women were nurses initially. MY mother was a troop and driving jeeps driving officers etc but driving was only IN Australia.
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I don’t think it’s work ethic I feel it’s more about the power many employers have over their workers… eg: for many people in the US healthcare is tied to their work so losing a job can place them in a very precarious position
I’m here too enjoy my life not let some guy run me too the floor over some work
My job is just a job nothing more.
Pay me my money and leave me alone
Americans seem to struggle with the fact that all countries have their own attitudes and cultural differences, when I first visited New Zealand I was shocked at how different it was from Australia.
Noticing and talking about it isn’t the same thing as struggling
@@SuttonJonahBrady In My situation I meet hundred of American visitors to Sydney, so I was not aiming my comment at you more as a generalized comment.
I lasted until beyond the black stump ;) So have a mermaid! 🧜♀and trident 🔱
Well done guys (and no wasn't 50,000 minutes long)
Personally, if I met a yank I would not have anything to talk about apart from the extremes of the US or personal topics. Yes, I know that little about the US.
Nice relaxed atmosphere about the video, I liked that.
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@@SuttonJonahBrady I found it interesting, so, I too, thank you
Yet another cultural talk, but at the end USA 360 mil. Aust 25 mil people, please stop the whining about shopping hours, waiting time, distances just remember kids can go to school here in safety, Australian society is safer and our life style is laid back. just love both places and get on with your lives.
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People bringing up the gun/politics stuff with every US American they've just met is annoying.
I know Kaitlyn Amanda has mentioned this a couple of times on her channel too. (She moved to Sydney to be with her husband).
It's something that wouldn't even occur to me to do. Or anyone else I know. I hope these people are a small minority.
I get that Aussies don't understand how the situation has got to the point is has but expecting every American you've just met to be some kind of spokesperson for this topic is ridiculous and inappropriate. You're not obligated to discuss it at all. I think some people watch too much TV and media and view the USA and Americans through that lens rather than as whole people. When in reality many every day US Americans want the same changes that we would like to see them have.
When you meet someone, just get to know the actual person, which is so much more than the extreme side of politics where they grew up.
In regards to food. Yes we have less fast food chains here than in the US. I actually think this is mostly a good thing though. (And healthier). What you'll find is Australians tend to support local businesses a lot more and often choose them over chains. This applies to local fish and chip shops, pizza places, burger and chicken places, local cafes, restaurants and yes coffee shops🙂 (One of the many reasons Starbucks just didn't take off here and they had to close most stores and re brand/focus the remaining ones towards tourists).
There's a huge amount of authentic food diversity here well. Particularly Asian cuisines, middle eastern, Indian etc.
Per the 2021 census 43% of Sydney siders were born overseas! So it's one of the most immigrant and multicultural cities in the world.
We have different influences in our food diversity/culture. Asian cusines are huge here and part of our staple diet, and in America there's more Mexican and Spanish food influences. All of the above types of cusines are delicious imo😋.
That's really interesting re male and female mingling and couples. I hadn't even thought of that before. I also hadn't heard that explaination re the war that Grace gave but that probably played a part. Mateship too as she said. We just all mingle and come together be it times of troubles and disasters or socialising.
In general we're an informal and not really a classist society. Everyone is seen as equal standing. No matter what job you do or background etc. Tradies (eg plumbers, electricians etc) are respected here for example and it's seen as a good job. In some other western countries people can look down on trades people. And see you as a failure if you choose to do a trade rather than go to Uni. Which is ridiculous.
Agreed. Work/life balance is one of the biggest differences in our culture's. We don't have as much of a hussle culture here, though that is increasing with cost of living going up everywhere.
That's is one of the reasons things shut here earlier. Plus as you say the population is less.
Though it would be nice if some cafes would stay open a bit later!
People like to say we "work to live" not "live to work" in Australia. And it's reflected in our workplace laws. Which I think is good for families to balance their priorities and time.
We have strong workplace rights. Along with a mandated federal minimum wage.
Full time workers are entitled to 4 weeks annual leave, 10 days sick leave, parental leave, bereavement leave etc. There's also penalty rates for over time or public holidays etc. And all workers must be paid superannuation at 12% of their wage. This is an employer contribution ON TOP of whatever you earn.
Americans see these things as benefits if they have any of them...where as here they are rights, under the law.
thanks for the comment! I enjoyed hearing your input, so interesting how things are done differently but both work! Your comment is the entire reason we are starting this show!
@@SuttonJonahBrady 😊. I'm enjoying your channel and content. Whether it be about travel, culture differences or the coffee shop business.
I love that you have an open mind in learning new experiences or ways too. Makes living abroad a bit easier!
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I am 75, so can bring a longer perspective. Important to understand that Australia only came to full self confidence comparatively recently. And by recently I mean over the last 40 years. Consequently Australians generally are now a bit full of themselves about the good qualities of their society. In time their perspective will become a more balanced. Personally I left Australia 16 years ago to live in north Thailand ie a long way away from the tourist fleshpots and congestion of south Thailand. Here the society is conservative and family oriented, but still very tolerant in all the ways for which Thailand is famous. My biggest culture shock in the US is how little people trust each other compared to Australia. When I visit Australia from here I find Australians to have very poor manners compared to the Thais. Also in Thailand there is almost zero petty theft which is a big change from the US and Australia both. Australia is a comfortable country to live in, although as an older person one feels almost invisible. In both the US and Australia I find the endless featureless suburbs tedious and dispiriting. However, at least in Australia one feels perfectly safe almost anywhere in the city. Some of the late night suburban trains in Sydney and Melbourne might be an exception. Australia is a wonderful country to work in when you are young, but becomes quite difficult after retirement unless you have very good superannuation (retirement fund) and fully own your own home. However, all the indicators I hear from Americans I know here is that the US is far worse. When I went to the US around the age of 40, I had the option to stay but decided I did not want to do so. Having said that, the US is a big society, so I may eventually have found a place that was more to my taste. The pivotal factor for me was the personal trust factor which is much shorter supply in the US, probably for very good reason.
Absolutely, a lot of Australians are switched on, with and I'll say it directly, more common sense than I assume the average American, which comes out in talking politics, not just gun control, but also global politics, how America sees the world, China, their position on global issues. This too is also based not just on the media but real life interactions with people from the USa and Aussies share them if it happens, because its so profound. The world view is very different.
How many times in a sentence can you say like
Great chat and comparisons…but please stop saying ‘like’!
I think a negative opinion of "Americans" is more to do with the USA government than the individual people.
we work to live not live to work
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American care about our politics and our rights because they both play important roll in how we live. The decisions made in Washington, DC and in each state capital affect us greatly. I know that if a Democrat is in office, I will pay much higher taxes and that my gun rights and freedoms will be at risk for the next few years. If a Republican gets in, I know my rights are safe and my taxes will fall. Being an American means that I am responsible for my life and that of my family. The onus is on me to provide my family with the best life possible without any governmental interference. Our government's only mission is to protect our rights and handle the things too big for one person. Most of the world seems to believe that government is a good thing, while most Americans do not. That is the difference.
Not into emogies. However, interesting convo. Australia has spiders and snakes that Americans fear. America has guns and no health care that Australians fear. Real people learn to overcome and adapt to their surrounds.
Both of you talk a lot of 'likes'.......US influence?
too many utterances of "like"
I’m working on it 🫡
Agree. I find it difficult to watch it when there are ten likes been used in one sentence. That word is just very jarring in a sentence.
Australia has a more laid back attitude. Everyone treats everyone as a sort of mate and are friendly to everyone. Australians don’t let politics or views divide us (although this is getting worse). Australians aren’t as religious. I think the “hard working” culture is rooted in the religious culture that is more pervasive in America. I feel like Americans are “led” and they don’t know it. The are led by religion, politics, media. Australians are totally individualistic and are not led by anyone or anything. Americans love to pigeonhole everyone and everything.
The work ethic. I think it has to do with America's preoccupation with capitalism and survival of the fittest. Not only that, but a morality is placed on your wealth, where wealthy people must be good and moral and therefore blessed by god, and poor people are seen as less worthy and deserving because they must have done something wrong in their life to be punished by being made poor.
I love visiting Anerica but just based on work culture alone, I would never live there.
When speaking to Americans while in third countries I find they are often the ones who raise the topic of gun control, along with universal health care, when they realize you're Australian. Their views are often pretty polarized: either firmly against both, or more pro gun control and pro universal health care that most Aussies I know.
Women did not fight on the front line for any war. 1st, 2nd, Vietnam.
🔱🔱🔱Love the convo. Great that you're talking about some big and important issues. Having lived in both countries I know that violence is a big problem in Australia also. Just a few suburbs from where I live in Sydney we have drive-by gang shootings. Network TV made two series about the organized gang violence in both Sydney and Melbourne. I felt safe living in the US and I lived a few neighbourhoods away from the Columbine High School and the Aurora Cinema, both mass shooting sites, but I also haven't felt a sense of community and neighbourhood like I did in the US anywhere while in one of Australia's cities and I know where the better neighbourhood to bring my kids was, and it was in the US. I have visited friends in Indonesia where the neighbouring villages go to war with spears and arrows and kill each other regularly. Violence is everywhere and increasing. Do people have a right to defend themselves? Yes, of course. But lets keep calling out violence wherever we see it. 🧜♀🧜♀🧜♀
Thanks Brad, you’re so right, violence takes different forms everywhere. Fighting against it also looks different everywhere!
We visited the US for four weeks a few years back. Walking through Washington at 4.00pm my husband and s-i-l were hit by a car, two robbers inside, that came crashing through a gate onto the footpath we were crossing. A glancing blow from the car knocked the two of them to the ground, they were a second away from being really badly hurt. During our stay, there was a huge protest crowd outside our hotel and we had to use the back entrance to come and go. In Times Square around noon, a guy with a knife cut the strap of my bag which was doubly secured so he ran off after being unsuccessful. My nephew was on scholarship to university in Alabama and was caught up in a mass shooting on the campus in 2014. I know violence happens in Sydney, but in many decades of living in this city, I have never witnessed any violence, the only crime a kid being caught for shoplifting. So my experience is very much the opposite of yours. My sleepy little suburb, surrounded by bush, 20 mins from Sydney CBD is an ideal place for a family (no snakes either 🙂.)
PLEASE. HOW. CAN. YOU. SAY. LIKE. ALL. THE. TIME. VERY. ANNOYING.
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I found it really disappointing to hear the way people approached you about gun control and politics in conversations rather than just getting to know you and treating you like everyone else. Rude as. My mates wouldn’t be like that. 🧜♀️ 🐠 🔱
Don't, like, take a shot when someone says "like", you'll get, like, alcohol poisoning. 😉
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In Sydney no one talks english anymore if can find an English speaking person good luck move to the country the real Australians.
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You say the word LIKE way too frequently!
Too many choices
Everyone says like too much these days...
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It’s hard to watch because you say LIKE all the time! It’s LIKE listening to my teenage nieces. Listen back to yourself and tell me I’m wrong. LIKE 😡
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It helps to be a God Botherer in America-being a practising Christian "will" be noticed
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