The Swimbait Fishing Community is Pissed Off! (Here's Why!)
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- čas přidán 17. 07. 2023
- In this video I talk about my thoughts and opinion on the Recent Copy of this Orginal and innovative bait, The Grow Design Works Flag. This bait is by far one of the most innovative baits to hit the swimbait market in the last few years. Unfornately Berkley Fishing decided to take it upon themselves and come out with an idetical product, slap there label and name on it. Then claim it to be there own. Feel free to comment your opinion below. Also if you want to buy from the company that deserves to reap the rewards from this bait idea. Head on over to Grow designs website or some of the dealers websites that work with them.
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We need to see more collaborations and less knock offs. SPRO did it with the Chad Shad. If the big companies supported the bait designers this wouldn’t be an issue. I am all for cheaper more available lures that actually work.
That would be great. I think Spro did it right. Berkley is notorious for doing this. It needs to stop and the only way it’s going to stop is if the consumer refuses to buy the garbage they put out
I don't have a problem when they are charging 70$ for a piece of rubber. I'm glad berkly came out with the copy
Yep understandable. Highly recommend trying the Orginal
I will continue to support Berkley no matter how much you complain
😂😂😂 come out too pressured body’s of water and tell me how well that works for you. Innovative designs should not be ripped off just saying but hey it’s a free country thanks for commenting
One thing that I have seen pros talk about is that ICast awards are an industry joke and some big company runs the whole thing and give the award to whoever pays the most, that doesn’t mean that the ones awarded are not great products, but they just paid for the award.
Yeah the awards just get them a little more publicity. I’m more mad about the price for such a similar product. It just doesn’t seem right in my mind to do that too a company with an Original design, but business is business. I’ll be supporting grow designs product 🤙
Start-Up guy here. (Tech)
I went through the United States Patent Office to apply for a patent
Long story short:
1. It costs about $100,000 to create a defendable patent
2. New designs are viewed as "Art": The take away is that minor tweaks will enable knock off designs
3. Even if you create a legit new design, you have to be prepared to defend your self against big companies with Staff Lawyers
who will crush you. As a start up, we had one business guy, one engineer, and not even a dog or garage.
So what you are describing is business as usual in the innovation area.
I understand. you're right it is considered business as usual and that the standard now because we the consumer has let it fly for too long. The consumer has all the power. Thats why in this video I ask people to support the orginal designer because thats all we can do.
Hello! My name is Jun Shoji, I been in the Japanese fishing industry for over 30 year's. I'm so glad some one thinks like I do! The same way with the 「Deps Cover Scat」there's 3~4 company's copying. Thank you!
Great, thanks for watching
I hear ya buddy, Berkley could have done a collab like Spro did.
That’s probably the best thing I could think of
as much as i love to Grow Design on the lure, the sadly reality is: if you make difficult for your item availability we have no choice but get what's is available. i saw that bait like two years ago, but couldn't get my hand on one at all, people who sell on eBay try to profit off it in crazy price and my pocket ain't that deep, if you want to try it i'm not going to wait decade for just that one bait which is kinda stupid, where the knock off always available. so you can't support something that is not easy to get your hand on at all
You’re free to do what you want and what your wallet can afford. My opinion in this video is to bring awareness and to express what I’ll be doing moving forward. 🤙
They don't make it difficult when it's a small Japanese company that can't keep up with America's demand. There's a huge difference. Collaboration is the proper way for both companies.
@@bassinbilliards6279 lol … it is difficult when you only made a limited of batch it
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 welcome to america brother. dont like it. you can leave.
@@Teddy-se8qb haha 😂 I served 3 tours overseas idiot 🙄😂
The flag is virtually impossible for me to get my hands on! Thanks to berkley ill be able to!
My take is if one bait performs better than another, then I’m going to stick with the one that works best for me. Regardless of price.
Yep I agree with that. My only opinion on that is it’s easier for a company to take what wrong with the original design and improve upon it. Like I said in the video I do t have my hands on the Berkley version yet but it wouldn’t surprise me if they improved upon the Orginal design then charge 80% less per bait seems wrong to me
I like where you are going with this . Berkley does this and so so almost all the large and mid size companies. Just look at the brushog. Every company has one. I could go all day on this about copy catting each other. My one question is are they giving the other company royalty like they did with the trashfish?
There’s a CZcams vid of Skeet Reese saying he designed the Sick Fish. He didn’t design anything. It’s a direct copy.
The flag was a one of a kind though. Saw nothing else like it. Until now.
Do you have this Friday July 21st in the afternoon/evening available??
I saw your message on my website I’ll shoot you an email. 👍
What's the brand or where did you get that pop-up cover you are sitting under with your boat??
Not sure but I purchased it from Costco. Works really good
Great video once again, bro. I met Benno from Little Creeper years ago long before the Berkley copy came out and the OG Trash Fish are still the bomb. I guarantee that I won't be carrrying these new baits in my shop and if I can get on with Grow Designs I will!
Love to hear it. Thanks for the support 🤙
U wasn't kidding grow design definitely makes better baits an didn't know berkley getting like other companies but hey its America what we do best. Definitely going to be getting a grow design lures thanks for spreading the awareness about hard work an tight lines
You made a great point!! Great job 👏🏽
Do you mind sharing what brand boat cover you have
This one is from Costco. I believe they just call them Gardesol carport
Not directed at you, but it only seems that the elite arrogant hardcore swimbait community gets really butt hurt on knock offs. I agree with your stance however. Looks at all the Megabass dark sleeper and Magdraft knock offs. Tight lines sir! 🍺👍🏻
Nothing stays a secret forever. The industry needs innovators, yes. But it also needs mass producers who can support volume and make the sport accessible.
Yep I agree 👍
Zach-I totally support your position on this issue- you will find zero to no Berkly baits in my tacklebox!! Thanks for speaking up for the smaller, trying harder businesses !!
The great chef creates, the genius copies, it’s a fact of life..
What about the megabass soft glide bait? Not sure single mention of it in the discussion.
The Twitcher. Yeah that to me is wrong as well . But one it didn’t win any awards nor is it getting publicity. Two it’s not priced way below like the Berkley bait is.
The award was voted on by the industry so it means nothing and as far as price goes thats purely on the manufacturer. Catch some toads at clear lake. Hope the frog bite is picking up.
can anyone tell me the story behind 3:16 lure company and why they are frowned upon? Did they copy someone else also?
Idk I know it’s similar to the Orginal Osprey but what I do know is that the price for either of those baits is very similar
A lure design that is unique here in the states pretty much needs a provisional, a design, and a utility patent to keep these big, or smaller companies from copying. Like how zman protects the chatterbait direct connection. There is a right way, and we as lure makers need to figure it out.
Well swimbait companies should stop selling outrageously expensive swim baits Im going with a cheaper knock off I got groceries to buy and bills to pay they’ll be alright.
To each there own. The sport has always been pay to play and that’s a whole other conversation within in the industry
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 I understand the Pay to play thing but it’s become ridiculously bad lately and it’s annoying.
It won’t hurt them man this is not a big issue…. Look at all the rod and reel companies. They have a cult following always sold out and overpriced on eBay. Berkeley made a model to get in the hand of the average joe or young angler who can’t afford that kind of money. It’s things like this that kill the industry why tell people to boycott something because it look the same. Everybody eating I’m glad someone actually making things affordable for your everyday people who can’t afford it. The goal is to get everyone fishing so why does something like this matter!!! Use your platform to to inform properly. We don’t know if they licensed the tech or design or what? If what saying is the right way then there should be only one rod and reel company??? Tackle shops would be extinct, etc.
I agree with you to an extent. Unfortunately are view point is on two different sides. I for one will be purchasing the grow designs version. I use my platform to inform my following what I’ll be doing. That is all. It’s still a free country for now. So do you. 😂🤙
Berkley has a product out that looks just like the trash fish too! Not sure about material and feel, but the overall profile and design looks pretty similar.
Yep they’ve been doing it for awhile
How many times has the vision 110 been copied and yet it still sells like WILD? It sells because of the performance and build quality. Hopefully Grow Designs can keep the quality way up there. If they do they wont have to worry about anything.
Yep my thoughts exactly. Thank you for watching
That Havoc line Berkley put out the sick fish in and other lures jump started all the copy catting! The pit boss came out of that line and it’s not extremely innovative but it’s original and it’s the most versatile beaver styled bait by far in my opinion.
Put boss is the only Berkley bait I’ll fish
Well understood! It is sad to see this big companies (pure fishing, do outdoors, house of outdoors, etc) carpetbag the design innovation of these design smaller companies. 👏🏿👏🏿🎣
I agree. The only thing we can do is purchase the orginal design.
This is not the first time this happened in the tackle world. Especially the growing Big Swimbait world. Small (usually part tie) companies hand build baits on a limited scale. They put up a "drop" and are sold out in minutes. Usually by greedy folks who buy them just to resell at ridiculous prices. But if you want that bait, you pretty much have no choice and have to pay the premium. From what I understand, these Grow "Flags" have not been available retail for years. And $100 on Ebay is just silly. If you ask me, it's Grows' fault for mis-managing their business.
They are 100 on Tackle Warehouse when in stock, that's retail for the 225
How long has Grow Design Flag been out?
Long enough. Like I said I found out about them a few years ago. Took me over a year to get my hands on one
Castiac had the first soft glide with that joint. Grow design was not first. I have a box full of them.
Awesome. Id love to get my hands on some of those was castiac’s joint made with the same mesh material? Because that to me is really the best part about the bait. It makes it very durable. Berkley copied that part 😅
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 not sure how they made it. It was a double joint and the harness would eventually rip out. I think you can still run into them occasionally.
@@TheAverageAngler pretty cool none the less. I’ll keep
My eye out. I love to collect baits like that. Cool piece of history
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 I always thought they were no good until I fished em on docks in the post spawn.
@@TheAverageAngler 🤘🤘🤘
Support the small guy always!!!
Hey, if I am not mistaken, didn't Paul Bailey help design the Flag? I believe he first introduced it to me last year during a guided trip. I remember him talking about how it was the first of its kind, being a soft jointed swimbait.
Personally I don’t know. Maybe. I’ve been throwing it for while now and it’s definitely a game changer. Versatility is why I love it
Thx I was in the dark about the nessie. Didn’t know it was a knockoff but the way it moved in the water peaked my interest but won’t buy one now. Thx again.
I always get originals they are usually the same price like the plopped and chopo or whatever
Bad part was looking at them at icast I had no idea till later
Everyone makes a crank bait, bladed jig, creature bait or any other bait on the market. They all copy each other and if another company can make it affordable for us average joes.
Technically Zman holds the patent maybe in the US market for the chatterbait blade. Or at least the did for a long time.
I am pretty confident in saying Berkely doesn't and probably has never had an original/innovative idea in their product line history. They are the biggest copy cat in the industry... and every one knows it as well. Which also strikes me as odd that people would even have any feelings about it. That all being said, if berkely managed to get the same action as the other lure, then yes, people will buy the Berkely lure over the more expensive hard to get lure. There will always be the swimbait fanatics that buy and wait in line for the hard to get expensive bait... probably not going to hurt the original maker.
Yep I agree. I make a few points on price in this video just to raise the question. Just doing my part in supporting a company that I think will make more innovative baits in the future🤙
Hmm, kind of like the Berkley Chopo and the whopper Plopper.
Haha 😂 yep
@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 don't forget the agent e they ripped off of megabass
Choppo is a flat out copy of the whopper plopper and no one batted an eye.
Finally someone made a video
Amen brother !!
Googan rips off everything in the fishing isle. Nobody says a thing! Lol. Glad you brought this up
Yeah it’s industry wide now and very frustrating
Wait for the Googan Squad version of the Growdesign
😂😂😂
It all started when it became an industry. Just like life when you have an unbelievable number of people obsessed with fishing, like myself, you're gonna have drama
Have y’all seen the megabass twitch lol??
I actually own one. It’s sub par compared and it’s equally as hard to get. Like I said copying it is one thing but making it more readily available and pricing it down 80% is in exceptable
I’d buy one from grow design but nothing is in stock
They haven’t been available in the US for 2 years.
Pissed off you can buy a bait for 13$ instead of 50$ derp.
Nah just pissed most fishermen don’t understand fish conditioning and don’t have an appreciation for innovation.
New design? Or knock-off / refinement of the Banjo 006 Lure? How old am I? Haha
Haha 😂
I agree with Ethics. Give some credit where credit is due.
Idk anything about this situation but isn't this why patent laws exist?
They came out with the design made that money initially and then when a patent expires it's fair game?
Patent Lawyers are expensive, defending that patent is even more so. Small guys don’t have deep pockets but Berkeley does.
It’s easier and cheaper to steal than it is to create
agree 1,000%! …that old sick fish was such a blatant copy and pure garbage 🤮
I couldn't imagine how few options we would have to fish with if no company ever imitated another company's design...
How many companies sell a..
..squarebill?
..football jig?
..curly tail grub?
..double willow spinner bait?
..paddle tail swimbait?
..soft jerkbait?
..hard jerkbait?
..etc
If we looked closely, how many variations are there of the spook? Not saying I agree, but copying baits has been going on for several decades. Especially major corporations. Major corporations are under corporate pressure to hit their numbers. They are going to continue to do it because the fisherman looks to save money when making purchases. The bad thing is the little guys cannot match the margins of the copies made by major tackle companies. Just like buying at Sam's, mass production simply lowers the price tag and the target demographic for fishermen certainly includes the lower-income anglers.
Yep. I agree. I will be doing my part in purchasing from Grow Designs and not Berkley 🤙
7Palms has the Grow Design Baits in Stock too, you want it, pay it in Japan!
I have plenty thanks though
if it is not the same then it's all fair in love and war . the higher price does not set right with all of us . This B/S of over pricing in this industry is all over and is out of control . Your seeing the exact same thing as wal mart has been doing for ever . If it covers the rules of patent it is ok and will not be stopped
that is how business works. They should have patented and protected their designs. Its no secret the bait industry is full of copy cats, not a new thing at all. Fishing is expensive as it is. If Berkley can save me some cash and make a good bait, I am all for it.
@@hytekrednekbama4400 tell me you know nothing of business or business ethics. 😂 it can be patented in japan but the US patent system doesn’t apply to other country’s 😂
@@hytekrednekbama4400 for example all the cheap shit you buy off Amazon. 😂 doesn’t matter anyways cause the flag has a 10x better hook up ratio then the Nessie so be my guest😂
Are you talking about a country that made their whole growth/economy coping all our products for many years.
Haha 😂 grow designs may be a Japanese company but I can assure you it did zero copying 😂
Look what happened with the chatterbait and how many copies there are.
Yep. It’s bad. Subtle differences in vibrations can make the difference with that bait but still it’s all the same.
Berkley paid alot of money to make their version of the trash fish, I wonder if they did the same with this new swimbait or did they have to because that company is not in the USA.
From my understanding they did not. But I tend to focus on things I can control and what I know is that I’ll be buying the grow designs version so the money pay. Potentially goes to R&D and more innovation within in the industry
I really don’t understand the fuss between these two companies, and I don’t understand what makes the Berkly brand have such a negative reputation when they are just experimenting with different designs! The only two things I can understand about the madness, first is that berkly could have violated the patent from the grow design works company, second is these similar lure designs that have been stolen from other fishing companies aren’t as high tech or realistic as the original designs
Dig further back and you will see the problem with Berkely and the fishing industry as a whole when it comes to design and Orginal ideas
Berkeley already compied the gilly, then cull shad then nessey. Its nothing new at all. Others I'm sure I'm unaware of
Yep nothing new. Just doesn’t sit right with me that there will be such a price difference.
Definitely not going to change. Its all about the $!
Only way it changes is if the consumer doesn’t buy it 🤷♂️ just doing my part
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 yes that's true if everyone would commit to that. Unfortunately I don't think most would
If you haven't touched the other one/Berkeley then how do you know its exactly same? Also JDM lures and reels are insane! So if its a Chinese,Japanese Thailand product we should have a version. Yes if its an Exact replica then thats a Lawsuit. And Wrong. And some baits cant help but almost duplicate them. Bet your friends with Ben Milliken and think Googan is trash?
😂😂😂
Mike Lie'alotti!😂
"I've ben working with Berkeley designing this bait.."😂😂😂
I see lots of copying going on among everyone. I have a real basic understanding of patent law. Tell me, are patent laws international? It appears that Grow Design is from Japan. Is a patent in Japan valid and enforceable in the USA? Is a USA patent enforceable in Japan, Taiwan or China? We live in a real small world now. I can order lures from Japan and Fed Ex will have them at my front door in 2-3 days.
I agree, We all should recognize the copies and spend our money with the true innovators.
Well said. I wish I could answer those questions. I’ll be doing the same
I understand the frustration, but if the design was patented like the chatterbait or something there wouldnt be a copy. So many people have tried to copy the chatterbait but they have to make design changes before it can be released. Those other companies' chatterbaits that look the same are licensed. Huddleston boot tail is another example. I know applying for protections is expensive, but not applying and then whining when your intellectual property is stolen is a bit childish/naïve. I for one still like the Japanese original and would support them, but I think this isn't really a bad thing for the average Joe.
I pick up what you’re putting down. Thanks for your input. I’ll be buying the Japanese version as well
The question is, is it legal? Did they make a version of their own? I hadn’t heard of the grow designs glidebait. So, when I heard about the Berkeley one, I thought about how someone finally put one out. The use of mesh in a soft bait is not unique. You call it a copy. Do you know that they did not do their own R&D to make the lure type their own? Frankly, I’m okay with it. We all don’t drive Fords though they made the first car. In fishing, the chatterbait is an example. It had it’s time (including legally challenging copiers) where they cornered the market and they used it wisely to create products that created a loyal user base, myself included. Now, you have slobber knockers and thunder crickets. So what? Now, z-man has to compete to maintain its edge; it drives down the price while at the same time delivering better and better products, a win for the consumer.
Innovation within our industry will continue to decline for as long as Berkley is allowed to copy baits. I personally don’t think It will stop unless a large number of anglers stop purchasing from them. My money goes to the companies in which it will be used for R&D it’s like an investment. Yeah technically it’s legal because grow designs is a Japanese company but doesn’t make it right.
Thank you, you hit it right on the head. I enjoy the passion people have for their activities but along with passion comes opinions, which everyone has one. I don't much agree with his take on this. Copying Ideas is a daily thing in the retail market but that's just it, a copy. If you look at both of these baits they are similar, not exact! The grow designs product is far superior quality than the Berkley swimbait. I applaud Berkley for doing what they can to help more fisherman catch fish that can't afford to pay $100 for a swimbait. That's not the market Berkley is trying to reach. These guys that can afford to throw $100+ swimbaits probably do so on $600+ combos! This is exactly why companies like Berkley are not going to affect the higher priced manufactures. Take Audi for example, The lead design engineer left Audi years ago and went to Kia. Kia now designs their vehicles with a lot of Audi's looks and sudo comforts. It happens. Now people can have a nice car at the fraction of the price and the group of those that can afford an Audi still buy Audi. No difference in the fishing industries. And I don't know about you but I would rather buy American made when I can afford it. Just saying
Guys in groups selling swim and glide baits way over priced of course people are going to go for the cheaper versions and guys online only do drops not often enough
I would say why the rage? When the item is outright copy and is cheap usually meant there are flaw. It will not provide 100% identical action nor performance of the original.
Take airpods for example. There are many copies out there available, but is Apple taking action over them? No, because it serve as an free advertisement to the original. Hence most of the user of copy tend to get airpods by the end of the day.
Sames goes to Duo Spearhead Ryuki lineup and DUO Jerkbait lineup, many do outright copy, but in the end people still going back the original because there are something original excel the copy.
Big fish eats litte fish,that’s business
Only if the consumer helps big fish eat little fish. We have the power. 👍
I guess many of you forgot that these baitcasters we all use today was invented by George Snyder of Paris, Ky. in 1810. He didn't apply for a patent of trademark so everyone copied it... It's been going for 200 years.
The gl shad is out of stock
Part of it. Best things in this world aren’t readily available at our finger tips
Im not mad
I’m pretty unbothered as well but yep 👍 thanks for watching g
Whichever is cheaper is the one Ill choose.
they should sue Berkeley
They can do whatever they want but you guys will still buy clones I make of them.
So I guess strike king is the only company that can make square bills and it’s wrong if 6th since decides to make a crank bait 😂cmon man who cares what brand if it works for you
🤦♂️
Every company copies another company, look at the feud with Googan and 6th sense. Every lure is based on another
Yep you’re right but with that being said. Many companies at least state it’s based on a similar design of another companies bait or so fourth. Berkley is known for outright copying and stealing baits which has made them a lot of there profit in the last 20 years
Sadly it will continue to happen, just like it always has. Half of the stuff out there is a knockoff, wether it’s an almost identical copy, or just slightly revised. In no way do I agree with it, but I just don’t see it stopping. I agree with others, these giant companies should collab like Spro did, rather than just steal the design and rename it
I agree. Just giving y’all my two cents. Thanks for watching. 👍
Hate to tell ya, but "the industry" ain't what it was 10-15 years ago. Spencer Shuffield has no ethics either lol
Oh I know and I agree. The only thing I can control is who’s product I purchase. 🤙
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 for sure. I hate to say it, but Bass Mafia ripped off the magdraft. Creativity is getting harder to come by
Senko anyone??
Haha I couldn’t agree with you more. The Orginal senko is still the best and priced that way. I’m hoping grow designs will end up like that.
I absolutely hate berkley products, i have 0 berkley products in my boat.
You young guys act like this is something new! It’s been happening for ages and generations. This is nothing new.
Haha 😂 I may look young. Thank you for that. I agree with you it has been happening for generations. For me this video was just to raise awareness and to advertise to the people who trust me and my opinion. That I’ll be sticking with the grow designs version. Enjoy your Berkley products. 👍
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 not saying I’m a buyer of the Nessie. I have no interest at this point. I did go to the website link you provided though and there is zero baits available.
Bud look in your tackle box tray compartment or wherever you keep your tackle. There is no originals anymore and if so they are put up safe somewhere. Your going down a deep deep rabbit hole man. Ott's Garage didn't invent the crankbait right. I think Manns was one of first in plastic worm catergory and that's what it is now just catergories and regardless of which one there will always be one company taking off anotgher wether to improve or make less expensive right. I'm not against what your saying but what your saying pertains to almost all your baits/lures so in reality you'd have to go through all your tackle encouraging folks to either support or not support lol. I'm gonna go fishing cuz I'm to small to change the industries way of doing things plus I'd rather be fishing lol . Wish I could explain what I intended to a bit better but maybe it made some sense as to what I was trying to convey lol
Oh I know exactly where you’re coming from, you’re right but let me ask you this. Most of all those copies are priced similarly. How many copies have you seen in which they make a product that almost exactly the same as the Original and then charge a quarter of the price. Pretty much pricing the Original designer out of the market. That’s the only problem I have with the whole situation. I plan to purchase from grow designs because I want my money to go towards more innovation within our industry. Not just someone’s pocket
i threw anything i had berkley in the bin cos they did the same over here in aus to a small business
It's sad but it's evolution and the almighty dollar 💵 rules you can't stop it this happens not only in the fishing industry but all the industries
This is the problem now all this company copy other like new spro or Mafia go after megabass swim bait killing me
It is and the sport is only seeing new and innovative products coming out of Japan which only costs Americans more. If we devolved new and innovative products here we wouldn’t have to pay more. But we would rather just copy it 😂
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 I'm looking for this swim bait for long time everytime coming sold out already lol
@@rahimi420fr part of it. Stay connected and look out for the drops. Or eBay is another option
You spend your money how you want and I’ll spend mine how I want, fair enough??
Haha 😂 triggered much
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 surely you jest, especially based on this video you produced 🤣😂🤣 like I said, which you seem to disagree with, “You spend your money how you want and I’ll spend mine how I want” and frankly I’d say this is non negotiable. Wouldn’t you? 😁
@@F14AB 😂😂😂
So the "swimbait community is pissed off", ok well what about the senko community, what about the spinnerbait community, the list could go on and on, copying in the fishing bait industry has been going on for decades. Now that being said I don't think they should win awards for it, but the copying and knockoffs are never gonna stop.
Haha yep I agree. I’ll do my part in not purchasing from said company that knocks off baits
I own baits from both companies. And I can say the nessie is the better choice even the grow design is the better bait. I had to wait 6 months for my baits to arrive in jersey by then it was ice on the water. If u watch shark tank they ask about production. And for the price u can buy 10 Nessies. E-bay prices r crazy. U snooze u lose. The fact that they can price gap it shows how much grow designs is ripping people off. Like Nikes made in the same factory as pro keds
People r tight bcuz Noobs and weekend warriors will b calling themselves swimbait fisherman and not have to break the bank on custom baits and catch giants
I disagree
This isn’t anywhere near new news.
I’ve told this story before… my first ICAST I witnessed 3 fist fight over stolen designs, grown men in business suits on the ground, throwing kicks and punches at each other.
That was over 15 Years ago.
SPRO with help from a lure designer strait up stole from Jerry Rago copying the Tool.
Berkeley is the biggest thief, they will steal or FORCE you in to cooperation by threatening to copy it anyway.
My question? What incentive do they have to stop? The answer is zero…from the trash fish to Basstrix to the whopper plopper to now this bait.
This is the nature of this beast. It has and always will be this way.
Waits a bit, see what they steal next.
This should be a stern warning to all original bait designers and makers. If you create it, it will be stolen. This industry punishes originality, creativity, hours and hours of one persons hard work only to crapped on my a bigger company with deep pockets and good lawyers.
Again, what incentive do those companies have to stop stealing from the little guy.
Well said! Couldn’t agree more. It only stops when people stop buying there garbage. But even then it’s a company with deep pockets
never would i ever pay $45 for a swimbait ! rich fisherman problems are not my problems .
To each there own. Enjoy
The thing is if it's not available and someone else has it readily available what are you going to do? It's called capitalism and every industry has 'copied' and/or improved on an already made design and that's what we call progression and competition, it drives industries. Reality >Feelings
Haha 😂 I feel like you interpreted this wrong. I lack empathy and actually have zero feelings on the subject. Reality for me is I’ll be spending my money on the designers bait. You feel free to spend yours where you see fit. 😂👍
@@livefastmovementoutdoors8310 LoL you made a video about not liking that people 'copy' designs so you definitely have feelings about it 🤣 The beauty is you can spend your money where you want just like everyone else, I'll spend mine where they have the product in stock it doesn't bother me at all
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Bro, every bait they make is a copy!!! What's new? The choppo is nothing like the whopper plopper, LOL :)!!!
Haha yep part of it. I suppose
All baits are copies…….I appreciate the price of the Berkley Nessie …for average fishermen who can’t afford $70 bucks a bait . You don’t think your Skeeter didn’t copy some other boat …..really
This is nothing new. It's happened for over 50 years. Take the Creme worm. I don't see the outrage at Zoom, Robo worm or any of the other 10,000 other worm makers who outright just ripped that design off to make their own versions. You want to support the small designer? Buy his baits but if you can't get them and someone fills that need don't get mad. Supply and demand.
Yep my money will be going to a company that will use it for more innovation within the industry. 🤷♂️
$99 for a shitty soft plastic no thanks ill take 10 nessie
Senko bladed jigs walking baits were copied . It’s the industry.
Yes and no. Most copies are similarly priced this copy will be largely discounted on the Berkley side. Which seems wrong. Imagine if you opened a business and then someone opened a business right across the street offering the same thing you do for a fraction of the price. And they did it because they saw how successful your business was doing. Is it legal yes but is it ethically right. Mhmmm idk 🤷♂️