When my grandfather passed I was asked to clean put the garage so my grandmother could park her car in it and boy howdy was grand dad a pack rat 😅lol its where I get it from. But I found a couple boxes marked Corvette and in one marked Vette Fi was a complete Rochester Mechanical fuel injection unit. As soon as my brain caught up to what I was seeing I almost stroked out because the thing was like new. Turns out back in the day old boy had bought himself a corvette after coming home from Korea but when the Fuel injection needed servicing not a lot of mechanics knew the ins and outs of that system and he didn't want to pay what the Chevy shop wanted to service it, so he had it removed and a 4 bbl manifold + carb put in its place. I told my grandmother what it was and that it was worth about $15-$20k. So I sold it for her on ebay, and she wanted me to keep the money and had it been a few hundred bucks I'd have been ok with that but this was too much, luckily she'd authorized my dad to take care of the finances so I had him deposit it into her account. Then on my birthday a few weeks later I get a card from her with a check for $5,000, and if you try and give a gift back anything like that youre automatically ex communicated in my family lol. But yeah random story about obscure car parts over👍
I enjoyed that, I worked there 10 years, leaving once again when Tuned Port Fuel Injection was being installed again in Corvettes, IROC Camaros and Trans Ams..
My grandfather had a 1957 Chevy Belair, 8k original miles. It had a port injection manifold with mechanically operated fuel injection. The side of the production Belair actually said "Fuel Injection" on the fenders. The 58 Corvette was not the first fuel injected car by GM.
The Corvette seen in the video was a 1957 ( single headlight ) 1958 Corvettes had quad round head lights ( 2 each side for a total of 4 ) In 1957 the FI was available in the Corvette and Bel-Air platform And from 1958 thru 1965 in the Corvette only
Yeah the era of things being built to last and not designed to brake, like the all metal refrigerator in my shop from 1960 that still works on the original ozone eating refrigerant, sucker has two setting cold as shit and frozen solid makes a great beer fridge
Im surprised that they basically had multi port injection back then. Even in the 80’s early 90’s they were still using indirect throttle body injection in most cars.
The GM system was purely analog and mechanical. In early electronic fuel injection, The problem was a combination of processing speed and emf shielding. Every time you drove past a high power radio station, or keyed your CB mic the engine would stall. Chrysler Corp tried in 1958 and actually put it in production in (I think) the Fury.
The iconic Messerschmitt BF109 fighter plane already featured a fuel injected Daimler Benz engine, back in 1935, But I believe it had a simple mechanism of a valve shaft pushing the injectors at set timings with a permanent amount of fuel, Unlike today, where everything's digitally manipulated
AMC's rambler rebel was the first Electronically fuel injected american car, i believe the system played an integral part in the development of the electrojector system chrysler debuted in the chrysler 300d the next year. The electrojector (and presumably the rebel) performed excellently on the controlled test track, but horribly once they made their way out to the public. The reason? Well, it was never discovered back then (the system got sold to Bosch after chrysler couldn't figure it out), but a modern chap with an internet connection figured out and documented online that RF interference caused the 1950's capacitors to more or less go haywire. When replaced with modern shielded capacitors, the cars performed as they did on the test track.
I was certain that the first GM fuel injection was made by Bendix, called the "electrojector" and despite their claim to being first, Mercedes beat them by 2 years, and used a Bosch pump style that was more reliable.
Finding a 50’s car with the original fuel injection system still on it and in proper working order is like finding a unicorn. Most of these early mechanical fuel injection systems were problematic and removed in favor of a carburetor.
My Dad told me the biggest problem with the entire system was that dealer techs couldn't be bothered to learn how it worked. POOR SERVICE killed the Rochester FI system, not its design.
If you look at the first 25 seconds of the film you will see the fuel injection system used in the 57 Pontiac, most people think it was only available in the Chevy Corvette and Chevy Sedan. it was not until just recently I found out about the Pontiac. czcams.com/video/JnRPbHfaAUw/video.html
had to breathe through a paper sandwich bag thinking about servicing that thing. What a complex beast! Imagine an untrained tech back then looking at this thing. doubt they'd be surprised if it could talk and hit on women.
My dad ordered a Chevy 4 door wagon with a fuel injection system on the 265 engine and a power glide trans . I remember the wagon well . He had it until 1960 when he traded it for another Chevy wagon . So 1958 was not right at all . GM was using the injection system even before 1957 and before 1956 .
I'm from Rochester. Rochester is a pretty dead city these days, but it's not as bad as Buffalo; that place has reverted to typing "Alex is a stupid n*****" on the Blog.tv chat as it cripples ever-so swiftly into a college town. At least Delphi, which is the successor of-sorts of Delco/Rochester Products is still there in a nice new office building.
my dad grew up there when Kodak was at its peak and watched the city, the people, and kodak itself decay as film became slowly and painfully obsolescent. it's been a few years since I've been there, since only my grandmother lives there anymore, maybe I'll find an excuse to take the 8 hour drive someday
Another reason was Bubba and Clyde down at the local garage did know ( or wanted to know) how to work on them. Many people got tired or no one wanting to work on or fix them. Thats why many were converted over to carbs.
knew an old guy that was a Chevrolet service tech. he went to GM school to learn how to work on these fulie systems. I asked him if it was as bad as people assert. he said, it was great system as long as it was in tune. what would happen is they would take their car to a corner garage and someone would go to monkeying around with it and start turning screws and throw off settings to make it run worse. People are inherently cheap an not take it to the dealer for repair. you get what you pay for.
Back when GM was intuitive, ingenious, honest, and made quality products. Boy have those days gone. Now, anything they make, is the worst piece of shit you can buy… other than Fiat/Chrysler or Volvo lmao
@@KingRoseArchives Not in my experience. If it doesn't have a pushrod V8 and rear wheel drive, it's reliability will be a mess. Got burned by timing chain failure on a GM 3.6L at only 90K miles. Full synthetic oil changes every 5K miles. What a garbage replacement for the excellent Buick 3800.
I take it the 1958 corvette with fuel injection was a concept car? Im not exactly a car guru, but I dont think the corvettes made after it had fuel injection until later on like around atleast the late 70's. I could be wrong though.
Gm had fuel injection from 1957 -1965 in the Corvette. Then a brief stint with the Cosworth Vega in 1975 and 76. No fuel injection again untill mid 1980's.
SaGalv I think they offered a fuel injected 327 up till '65 with 375 horsepower but by then you could order a big block 396 with more power at a much cheaper cost so that was the end of fuel injection till the '80's
GM owned 80 % of the car market they could of owned it all but they were more interested in greed and have been reduced to small time players today Now the head office is in Brazil Dunderheads
David Stanley The big problem for GM when it held its largest market share -- in the '60s-- at 48.3% was the real fear of being broken up by the Federal government if they got any bigger. They tried to keep execs like John DeLorean from coming up with zippy cars that would sell too much. But their other problems; quality, no fuel efficient cars, brand overlaps and a long list of misfires including dangerous product defects that killed people took care of their worst nightmare. But it took several decades for things to come completely undone. Thankfully they seem to be on track now to sustainable global growth. It's highly unlikely they'll ever pose a monopoly threat again but they'll survive and provide good jobs to thousands of people.
GM could never own 100% the Unions would kill them.. JFK wanted to break up GM when they had 53% of the USA car market .. that's the main reason they stopped racing it was causing them to sell too many cars.. Plus they owned TEREX Heavy Equiptment ect too Now GM is giving away their advanced Robot technology in China..
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars, trucks and busses including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing petrol stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. They even plan to reduce the pump speed of public gas stations from 20 litre per minute to only 2 litre per minute to punish owners of combustion cars....from 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a completely new kind of crime here in Germany, called "Bundesabgasbespaßungsverbot" :-(((
Kind of a joke, really. It continuously sprayed fuel out of all 8 jets all the time! I can see how they got high h.p. out of the engines with it, but what kind of mileage? Guess the 'vette owners didn't care too much about that, or the $500 additional cost of the unit.
It used venturi pressure differences that varied fuel spray. Constant fuel spray would have to be varied otherwise it would have a very narrow running band, it would flood at idle and/or be fuel starved at high RPM.
Why is it considered a joke? Bosch introduced their K-Jetronic constant flow injection system a number of years after they produced their first electronic system. It would eventually make it's way onto the likes of Mercedes, Ferraris and Bentleys, as well as a number of lesser cars. Though it used a different mechanism to measure air flow, they all match fuel flow to airflow requirements. Incidently, both Continental and Lycoming have used constant flow injection systems for years, with better performance, economy and resistance to G-forces than carburetors. The Bendix system on the Lycomings uses a similar principal (venturi type air meter) as the Rochester system.
When my grandfather passed I was asked to clean put the garage so my grandmother could park her car in it and boy howdy was grand dad a pack rat 😅lol its where I get it from. But I found a couple boxes marked Corvette and in one marked Vette Fi was a complete Rochester Mechanical fuel injection unit. As soon as my brain caught up to what I was seeing I almost stroked out because the thing was like new. Turns out back in the day old boy had bought himself a corvette after coming home from Korea but when the Fuel injection needed servicing not a lot of mechanics knew the ins and outs of that system and he didn't want to pay what the Chevy shop wanted to service it, so he had it removed and a 4 bbl manifold + carb put in its place. I told my grandmother what it was and that it was worth about $15-$20k. So I sold it for her on ebay, and she wanted me to keep the money and had it been a few hundred bucks I'd have been ok with that but this was too much, luckily she'd authorized my dad to take care of the finances so I had him deposit it into her account. Then on my birthday a few weeks later I get a card from her with a check for $5,000, and if you try and give a gift back anything like that youre automatically ex communicated in my family lol. But yeah random story about obscure car parts over👍
I enjoyed that, I worked there 10 years, leaving once again when Tuned Port Fuel Injection was being installed again in Corvettes, IROC Camaros and Trans Ams..
Sounds like you left just for the best part
My grandfather had a 1957 Chevy Belair, 8k original miles. It had a port injection manifold with mechanically operated fuel injection. The side of the production Belair actually said "Fuel Injection" on the fenders. The 58 Corvette was not the first fuel injected car by GM.
The Corvette seen in the video was a 1957 ( single headlight )
1958 Corvettes had quad round head lights ( 2 each side for a total of 4 )
In 1957 the FI was available in the Corvette and Bel-Air platform
And from 1958 thru 1965 in the Corvette only
It was also on the 57 bonneville, but they barely made any of those
Wow....imagine a golden era when GM actually TESTED its products!
Gm still does testing... but they use customers to do it.
@@scrappy7571 😂
Yeah the era of things being built to last and not designed to brake, like the all metal refrigerator in my shop from 1960 that still works on the original ozone eating refrigerant, sucker has two setting cold as shit and frozen solid makes a great beer fridge
Put 30 years in that place.
The 57 corvette could be ordered with a fuel injected 283 c.i. V8 producing 283 hp.
You could order fuel injection for any car with a V8
Im surprised that they basically had multi port injection back then. Even in the 80’s early 90’s they were still using indirect throttle body injection in most cars.
The GM system was purely analog and mechanical. In early electronic fuel injection, The problem was a combination of processing speed and emf shielding.
Every time you drove past a high power radio station, or keyed your CB mic the engine would stall.
Chrysler Corp tried in 1958 and actually put it in production in (I think) the Fury.
The iconic Messerschmitt BF109 fighter plane already featured a fuel injected Daimler Benz engine, back in 1935,
But I believe it had a simple mechanism of a valve shaft pushing the injectors at set timings with a permanent amount of fuel,
Unlike today, where everything's digitally manipulated
Mercedes used this system in their cars.
AMC's rambler rebel was the first Electronically fuel injected american car, i believe the system played an integral part in the development of the electrojector system chrysler debuted in the chrysler 300d the next year. The electrojector (and presumably the rebel) performed excellently on the controlled test track, but horribly once they made their way out to the public. The reason? Well, it was never discovered back then (the system got sold to Bosch after chrysler couldn't figure it out), but a modern chap with an internet connection figured out and documented online that RF interference caused the 1950's capacitors to more or less go haywire. When replaced with modern shielded capacitors, the cars performed as they did on the test track.
I was certain that the first GM fuel injection was made by Bendix, called the "electrojector" and despite their claim to being first, Mercedes beat them by 2 years, and used a Bosch pump style that was more reliable.
thanks for great video .a 57 corvette family car
gerrybmalkin just what every family needs a fuel injected '57 Corvette
Finding a 50’s car with the original fuel injection system still on it and in proper working order is like finding a unicorn. Most of these early mechanical fuel injection systems were problematic and removed in favor of a carburetor.
My Dad told me the biggest problem with the entire system was that dealer techs couldn't be bothered to learn how it worked. POOR SERVICE killed the Rochester FI system, not its design.
If you look at the first 25 seconds of the film you will see the fuel injection system used in the 57 Pontiac, most people think it was only available in the Chevy Corvette and Chevy Sedan. it was not until just recently I found out about the Pontiac. czcams.com/video/JnRPbHfaAUw/video.html
had to breathe through a paper sandwich bag thinking about servicing that thing. What a complex beast! Imagine an untrained tech back then looking at this thing. doubt they'd be surprised if it could talk and hit on women.
I had a 1975 DeVille with the 500 and port injection was an option. (Mine was carbed). It's interesting how long they've been working on it
My dad ordered a Chevy 4 door wagon with a fuel injection system on the 265 engine and a power glide trans . I remember the wagon well . He had it until 1960 when he traded it for another Chevy wagon . So 1958 was not right at all . GM was using the injection system even before 1957 and before 1956 .
Actually, it could be ordered with this early fuel injection system. It wasn't great but it was available.
cool
I'm from Rochester. Rochester is a pretty dead city these days, but it's not as bad as Buffalo; that place has reverted to typing "Alex is a stupid n*****" on the Blog.tv chat as it cripples ever-so swiftly into a college town. At least Delphi, which is the successor of-sorts of Delco/Rochester Products is still there in a nice new office building.
nice pic bud
Obama screwed Delphi salaried workers out of their Pension ect with help from GM of course
my dad grew up there when Kodak was at its peak and watched the city, the people, and kodak itself decay as film became slowly and painfully obsolescent. it's been a few years since I've been there, since only my grandmother lives there anymore, maybe I'll find an excuse to take the 8 hour drive someday
@@charliestevens6183 we don't want you back here. The less traffic the better..
Ooooo blinking lights...and cigarette lighters!
Why we stopped using this?
Too much costly and not very relialable. The technology wasn't ready at the time
@@phantomsoldier497 They could been improving it
@@V8_screw_electric_cars we are using it in everycar now lol. It was too soon in the 1950's
Another reason was Bubba and Clyde down at the local garage did know ( or wanted to know) how to work on them. Many people got tired or no one wanting to work on or fix them. Thats why many were converted over to carbs.
because they went on to produce much larger carbed engines that produced more power and were cheaper
knew an old guy that was a Chevrolet service tech. he went to GM school to learn how to work on these fulie systems. I asked him if it was as bad as people assert. he said, it was great system as long as it was in tune. what would happen is they would take their car to a corner garage and someone would go to monkeying around with it and start turning screws and throw off settings to make it run worse. People are inherently cheap an not take it to the dealer for repair. you get what you pay for.
At the end, "family car," as a Corvette drivres away. smh
OK, and then GM dropped it like a hot rock in 1966
Back when GM was intuitive, ingenious, honest, and made quality products. Boy have those days gone. Now, anything they make, is the worst piece of shit you can buy… other than Fiat/Chrysler or Volvo lmao
Their quality is vastly improved.
@@KingRoseArchives Not in my experience. If it doesn't have a pushrod V8 and rear wheel drive, it's reliability will be a mess. Got burned by timing chain failure on a GM 3.6L at only 90K miles. Full synthetic oil changes every 5K miles. What a garbage replacement for the excellent Buick 3800.
@@honkhonkler7732 Imagine buying fwd 4/6 cylinder
I take it the 1958 corvette with fuel injection was a concept car? Im not exactly a car guru, but I dont think the corvettes made after it had fuel injection until later on like around atleast the late 70's. I could be wrong though.
Gm had fuel injection from 1957 -1965 in the Corvette. Then a brief stint with the Cosworth Vega in 1975 and 76. No fuel injection again untill mid 1980's.
SaGalv I think they offered a fuel injected 327 up till '65 with 375 horsepower but by then you could order a big block 396 with more power at a much cheaper cost so that was the end of fuel injection till the '80's
You could order fuel Injection on a passenger car from 1957 till I don't know what year in the car but until 1965 in the small Block Vette
You're thinking of electronic fuel injection, this is very basic mechanical fuel injection.
GM owned 80 % of the car market they could of owned it all but they were more interested in greed and have been reduced to small time players today
Now the head office is in Brazil
Dunderheads
David Stanley The big problem for GM when it held its largest market share -- in the '60s-- at 48.3% was the real fear of being broken up by the Federal government if they got any bigger. They tried to keep execs like John DeLorean from coming up with zippy cars that would sell too much. But their other problems; quality, no fuel efficient cars, brand overlaps and a long list of misfires including dangerous product defects that killed people took care of their worst nightmare. But it took several decades for things to come completely undone. Thankfully they seem to be on track now to sustainable global growth. It's highly unlikely they'll ever pose a monopoly threat again but they'll survive and provide good jobs to thousands of people.
King Rose Archives
It owned 76 % the down fall came because of a continuous output of garbage
Actually GM is pretty big world wide something like third place globally.
GM could never own 100% the Unions would kill them.. JFK wanted to break up GM when they had 53% of the USA car market .. that's the main reason they stopped racing it was causing them to sell too many cars.. Plus they owned TEREX Heavy Equiptment ect too
Now GM is giving away their advanced Robot technology in China..
@@RNA0ROGER GM used to be the largest Corporation in the World
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars, trucks and busses including
classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia
:-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel
supply from 2025 on by reducing petrol stations to only one state
operated central gas station per city or county. They even plan to
reduce the pump speed of public gas stations from 20 litre per
minute to only 2 litre per minute to punish owners of combustion
cars....from 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned
too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and
gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on....
So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They
even created a completely new kind of crime here in Germany, called
"Bundesabgasbespaßungsverbot" :-(((
Kind of a joke, really. It continuously sprayed fuel out of all 8 jets all the time! I can see how they got high h.p. out of the engines with it, but what kind of mileage? Guess the 'vette owners didn't care too much about that, or the $500 additional cost of the unit.
It used venturi pressure differences that varied fuel spray.
Constant fuel spray would have to be varied otherwise it would have a very narrow running band, it would flood at idle and/or be fuel starved at high RPM.
@@D8W2P4 funnily enough, mechanical injection runs poorly at low rpm as it is typically quite rich at low rpm
Why is it considered a joke? Bosch introduced their K-Jetronic constant flow injection system a number of years after they produced their first electronic system. It would eventually make it's way onto the likes of Mercedes, Ferraris and Bentleys, as well as a number of lesser cars. Though it used a different mechanism to measure air flow, they all match fuel flow to airflow requirements. Incidently, both Continental and Lycoming have used constant flow injection systems for years, with better performance, economy and resistance to G-forces than carburetors. The Bendix system on the Lycomings uses a similar principal (venturi type air meter) as the Rochester system.